RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Post the pic! :-P Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 "And no amount of training or preparedness can eliminate the almost certainty that in the middle of your Angry Crane stance, as you transition to your Combative Monkey to administer the Coup de Grâce via your Ninja Death Touch, you step on a beer bottle and fall backwards into the juke box and get your head stove in by a drunk with a pool cue." --Jay Trigg > -Original Message- > From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > Alex, > > The answer to your question is: get several certifications > and become a consultant! > > Ross > > p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply > wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact > me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few > hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in > a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > > -Original Message- > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Sent: 6/6/2001 4:58 PM > > If you do not know Oracle you will get from technical editor. If you > cannot > write - there is a development editor available. The problem is - what > if > one don't know Oracle and cannot write. > > Alex Hillman > > PS. This has nothing to do with Jim > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > All, > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how > those of > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right > connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can > do > this. > > Jim > > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Hillman, Alex > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Mohan, Ross > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Antonio, There isn't one book that covers all those topics, and for good reason. If written properly -- lots of detailed information and scripts, and explanations of the scripts (so that you feel comfortable to modify them on your own) -- this book is thousands of pages. Unwritable, unreadable and unaffordable. BUT... much of this is covered either in books already in existence or in the process of being written. Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...' >Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:50:19 -0800 > > >Hi Jim, > >I have an idea for a book. I don´t know if it has been written before , but >I think that it would be very useful to a lot of people. > >Oracle High Availability: >- Recovery scenarios (The author could put scripts to backup archive logs , >tips about archiving , recovering , how Oracle process instance recovery , >case studies , etc...); >- Stand-by Databases (concepts , implementations , pitfalls , etc...); >- OPS (concepts , implementations , pitfalls , etc...); >- Replication (as a tool to keep another database in sync with production >databases); >- Hardware concepts (redundancy , RAID controllers , clusters , SANs , >etc...); >- Tips & Techniques for a 24 x 7 x 365 environment (administration , online >backups , archiving , change manegement , etc...); >- It could have a chapter with an overview or introduction about Oracle 9i >Real Application Clusters. > >Of course , someone would ask "Why don´t you write it yourself ??". > >1st : I have a 1-year old baby to take care , and I can´t let all the >duties ( and happiness :- ) to my wife; >2nd : I take care of 15 databases on my daily job and none of them is 24 x >7 x 365. So , I don´t feel comfortable to write about the matter; >3rd : My English isn´t good. > >If is there a book similar , sorry about the waste of time , and , please , >could you give me the name of this book ?? > >Regards, >Antonio Belloni > > > > >"Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@fatcity.com on 09/06/2001 11:05:21 > >Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: > > > >Yes, but this leads to virtual hang-over which is a very good thing... > >^ >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >501 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 63376 >(636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) >^ > >-Original Message- >Aschenbrenner >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:33 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >I think I've had too many virtual beers. I'm getting a virtual buzz > >Alan > >-Original Message- >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:46 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me >out >of the daily drone mode... > >By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! > >Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! > >Jim > > > > > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > > had in days! > > > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love >the > > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > > *Larry Ellison as God > > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > > compassionate heart) > > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between >Heaven > > > and Hell) > > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built >a > > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > > combination film? > > > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good >mood, >and > > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes > >typing > > > this email. > > > > > >
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Hi Jim, I have an idea for a book. I don´t know if it has been written before , but I think that it would be very useful to a lot of people. Oracle High Availability: - Recovery scenarios (The author could put scripts to backup archive logs , tips about archiving , recovering , how Oracle process instance recovery , case studies , etc...); - Stand-by Databases (concepts , implementations , pitfalls , etc...); - OPS (concepts , implementations , pitfalls , etc...); - Replication (as a tool to keep another database in sync with production databases); - Hardware concepts (redundancy , RAID controllers , clusters , SANs , etc...); - Tips & Techniques for a 24 x 7 x 365 environment (administration , online backups , archiving , change manegement , etc...); - It could have a chapter with an overview or introduction about Oracle 9i Real Application Clusters. Of course , someone would ask "Why don´t you write it yourself ??". 1st : I have a 1-year old baby to take care , and I can´t let all the duties ( and happiness :- ) to my wife; 2nd : I take care of 15 databases on my daily job and none of them is 24 x 7 x 365. So , I don´t feel comfortable to write about the matter; 3rd : My English isn´t good. If is there a book similar , sorry about the waste of time , and , please , could you give me the name of this book ?? Regards, Antonio Belloni "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@fatcity.com on 09/06/2001 11:05:21 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Yes, but this leads to virtual hang-over which is a very good thing... ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Aschenbrenner Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think I've had too many virtual beers. I'm getting a virtual buzz Alan -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out of the daily drone mode... By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! Jim > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > had in days! > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > *Larry Ellison as God > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > compassionate heart) > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > > and Hell) > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > combination film? > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > > this email. > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > company. > > > > Jim > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alan Aschenbrenner INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you wa
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Jim, trust me, you'll need the alcohol to persuade the bad Rachel to come out. I hadn't realized Martin Sheen was drink during Apocalyse Now. New fact for the day. Rachel >From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...' >Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 06:05:22 -0800 > >Rachel, > >Well...umer..ah..maybe. > >You know, Martin Sheen was drunk during the filming of many scenes of >Apocalypse Now. I just thought I would follow Coppola's lead and get all >the actors/actresses drunk for a more free-flowing performance. > >Wait 'til I break out the virtual schnapps shots ;) > >Jim > >^ >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >501 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 63376 >(636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) >^ > >-Original Message- >Carmichael >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:20 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Jim, > >Two rounds of Guiness? are you trying to get me drunk? :) > >Rachel > > > >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...' > >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:46:11 -0800 > > > >Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me >out > >of the daily drone mode... > > > >By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! > > > >Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > > > had in days! > > > > > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > > > > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love >the > > > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > > > *Larry Ellison as God > > > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > > > compassionate heart) > > > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between > >Heaven > > > > and Hell) > > > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built >a > > > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > > > combination film? > > > > > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good > >mood, > >and > > > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes > >typing > > > > this email. > > > > > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > > > company. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Jim Hawkins > >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > >600 Pearl Drive > >St. Louis, MO 633376 > >9636) 474-7832 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > >-- > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > >-- > >Author: Jim Hawkins > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > >__
RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
Jim, Gulp! What have I gotten myself into? Okay, none of you will believe this but I'm shy and get stage fright. Stop laughing! It's true Two roles, twice as much to memorize but I get to bring out the best and worst in me. Rachel >From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..." >Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 05:50:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >Well, I didn't want to suggest you be the "bad girl" type right off the >bat. >What we can do is have you play two parts in the movie, one the "good >angel" >and one the "dark angel". That way, you can really bring out the best of >both worlds. > >set director_talk on > >It's all about motivation. What motivates you? Yes, capture that and >don't >let go. > >set director_talk off > >Jim > >^ >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >501 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 63376 >(636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) >^ > >-Original Message- >Carmichael >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:16 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Jim, > >I promise to come see that movie! "do-good angel caught between Heaven and >Hell" though? Darn it all, I thought I was more the "bad girl" type :) > >Rachel > > > >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..." > >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:47:38 -0800 > > > >Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all > >those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely > >valuable to me (and others). > > > >Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not > >*happily* > >write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so > >I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're > >going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival > >in > >southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). > > > >"Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > >Larry" > >directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > >Starring (not in order of importance): > >*Larry Ellison as God > >*Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > >compassionate > >heart) > >*Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > >*Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > >and > >Hell) > >*Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > >And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > >story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > >combination film? > > > >But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, >and > >have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes >typing > >this email. > > > >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > >company. > > > >Jim > > > >-- > >Jim Hawkins > >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > >600 Pearl Drive > >St. Louis, MO 633376 > >9636) 474-7832 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > > > gross. > > > > > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > > > > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or > >Kevin > > > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > > > > > >On T
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
I'd forgotten all about thiswhat a delight to be reminded! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/8/2001 7:27 PM Meet Ross and Mark (or other certifiable goofs) at the following for secret decoder ring training: http://images.burningman.com/gallery/bdamer.1524.jpg - http://images.burningman.com/gallery/quitob1.1435.jpg - http://www.burningman.com/first_timers/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Rachel, Well...umer..ah..maybe. You know, Martin Sheen was drunk during the filming of many scenes of Apocalypse Now. I just thought I would follow Coppola's lead and get all the actors/actresses drunk for a more free-flowing performance. Wait 'til I break out the virtual schnapps shots ;) Jim ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jim, Two rounds of Guiness? are you trying to get me drunk? :) Rachel >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...' >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:46:11 -0800 > >Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out >of the daily drone mode... > >By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! > >Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! > >Jim > > > > > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > > had in days! > > > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > > *Larry Ellison as God > > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > > compassionate heart) > > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between >Heaven > > > and Hell) > > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > > combination film? > > > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good >mood, >and > > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes >typing > > > this email. > > > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > > company. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > >-- >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >600 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 633376 >9636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hawkins Family INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Yes, but this leads to virtual hang-over which is a very good thing... ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Aschenbrenner Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think I've had too many virtual beers. I'm getting a virtual buzz Alan -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out of the daily drone mode... By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! Jim > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > had in days! > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > *Larry Ellison as God > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > compassionate heart) > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > > and Hell) > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > combination film? > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > > this email. > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > company. > > > > Jim > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alan Aschenbrenner INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hawkins Family INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
Rachel, Well, I didn't want to suggest you be the "bad girl" type right off the bat. What we can do is have you play two parts in the movie, one the "good angel" and one the "dark angel". That way, you can really bring out the best of both worlds. set director_talk on It's all about motivation. What motivates you? Yes, capture that and don't let go. set director_talk off Jim ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jim, I promise to come see that movie! "do-good angel caught between Heaven and Hell" though? Darn it all, I thought I was more the "bad girl" type :) Rachel >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..." >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:47:38 -0800 > >Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all >those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely >valuable to me (and others). > >Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not >*happily* >write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so >I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're >going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival >in >southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). > >"Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the >Larry" >directed by Jim Hawkins. > >Starring (not in order of importance): >*Larry Ellison as God >*Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a >compassionate >heart) >*Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) >*Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven >and >Hell) >*Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > >And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a >story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning >combination film? > >But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and >have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing >this email. > >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film >company. > >Jim > >-- >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >600 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 633376 >9636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > > gross. > > > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or >Kevin > > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. >ie; > > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > > >$1,000, > > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances >involved. > > >Your > > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > > > >100K?! > > > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > > >gross $30K from the book. > > > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > > >you will split the proceeds. > > > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > > > >Ther
Re: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Jim, Two rounds of Guiness? are you trying to get me drunk? :) Rachel >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...' >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:46:11 -0800 > >Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out >of the daily drone mode... > >By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! > >Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! > >Jim > > > > > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > > had in days! > > > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > > *Larry Ellison as God > > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > > compassionate heart) > > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between >Heaven > > > and Hell) > > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > > combination film? > > > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good >mood, >and > > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes >typing > > > this email. > > > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > > company. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > >-- >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >600 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 633376 >9636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
I think I've had too many virtual beers. I'm getting a virtual buzz Alan -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out of the daily drone mode... By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! Jim > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > had in days! > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > *Larry Ellison as God > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > compassionate heart) > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > > and Hell) > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > combination film? > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > > this email. > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > company. > > > > Jim > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alan Aschenbrenner INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
who gets to play the part of "ZOT"? :) > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Meet Ross and Mark (or other certifiable goofs) at the following for secret decoder ring training: http://images.burningman.com/gallery/bdamer.1524.jpg - http://images.burningman.com/gallery/quitob1.1435.jpg - http://www.burningman.com/first_timers/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Always glad to spread some semi-on-topic humor on Fridays. It helps me out of the daily drone mode... By Monday, I'll be back to my serious, helpful, wannabe-guru self! Cheers, everyoneand another round of virtual Guiness on me! Jim > > Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have > had in days! > > Thank you, thank you, thank you! > > Jared ( still laughing ) > > On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > > > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > > > Starring (not in order of importance): > > *Larry Ellison as God > > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > > compassionate heart) > > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > > and Hell) > > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > > combination film? > > > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > > this email. > > > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > > company. > > > > Jim > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
On Friday 08 June 2001 08:00, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > gross. Net. > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. Yeah, I found that out. > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or > Kevin Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. I was being wildly optimistic. Someone wanted to know if you could make 100K from a tech book. Even with my wild optimism, it would be 30k, more like 15k if when you correct from gross to net. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
Eric as Corporate Philosopher - a Yoda type David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 "Jim Hawkins" mary.net>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or root@fatcity.not)...' com 06/08/2001 12:07 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L set director_talk on Yes, yes. I can see this...panning camera...slowly rising...The Enforcer emerging from the crystal blue surf...I like it! We will adapt the film to this. Cut! Print! Where's my damn Grip? I need my coffee refilled! And who's responsible for the catering? set director_talk off > I want to see Bill Thater doing an Austin Powers shimmy > in the background, while dressed up in full combat scuba > gear. Can we get that in on the script rewrite? Can we? > Can we? Huh huh huh? > > || -Original Message- > || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:21 PM > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it > || or not)..." > || > || > || How about the films theme song? > || > || I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. > || > || "database writer > || DATABASE WRIIITTERR > || DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" > || > || Dorothy > || > || P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or > || something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. > || > || -Original Message- > || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 04:48 > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || > || > || Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and > || I thank all > || those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely > || valuable to me (and others). > || > || Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I > || could not *happily* > || write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids > || under age 4), so > || I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's > || right, we're > || going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's > || Cannes Festival in > || southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk > || Oracle DBA's). > || > || "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to > || Love the Larry" > || directed by Jim Hawkins. > || > || Starring (not in order of importance): > || *Larry Ellison as God > || *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with > || a compassionate > || heart) > || *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > || *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught > || between Heaven and > || Hell) > || *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > || > || And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > || story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > || combination film? > || > || But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a > || good mood, and > || have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 > || minutes typing > || this email. > || > || Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments
Re: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
Oh god Jim, this is the best laugh I have had in days! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Jared ( still laughing ) On Friday 08 June 2001 08:47, Jim Hawkins wrote: > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the > Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. > > Starring (not in order of importance): > *Larry Ellison as God > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a > compassionate heart) > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven > and Hell) > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > combination film? > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > this email. > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > company. > > Jim -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT / LOL/ Serious Question (believe it or not)...
You're right, it's pathetic. But I laughed anyway. :) Jared On Friday 08 June 2001 07:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Speilberg eh? > > Can we call it "Saving Private Synonym". > > > Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee !!! [sounds of general thigh slapping and > side-splitting] > > Cheers, > Mike > > PS Sorry folks, I realise how pathetic that was but it's Friday so give me > a break > > =) > > PPS Yes John (G), I KNOW! > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Luis DeUrioste suggested (quite rightly in my opinion): > > ->Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and > ->convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be > rolling in ->Do. > ->.. > . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
Mark, I think you're beginning to enjoy this a little too much. ;) Jared On Friday 08 June 2001 09:21, Mark Leith wrote: > How about the films theme song? > > I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. > > "database writer > DATABASE WRIIITTERR > DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" > > Dorothy > > P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or > something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Jim, I promise to come see that movie! "do-good angel caught between Heaven and Hell" though? Darn it all, I thought I was more the "bad girl" type :) Rachel >From: "Jim Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..." >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:47:38 -0800 > >Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all >those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely >valuable to me (and others). > >Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not >*happily* >write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so >I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're >going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival >in >southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). > >"Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the >Larry" >directed by Jim Hawkins. > >Starring (not in order of importance): >*Larry Ellison as God >*Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a >compassionate >heart) >*Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) >*Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven >and >Hell) >*Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > >And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a >story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning >combination film? > >But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and >have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing >this email. > >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film >company. > >Jim > >-- >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >600 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 633376 >9636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > > gross. > > > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or >Kevin > > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. >ie; > > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > > >$1,000, > > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances >involved. > > >Your > > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > > > >100K?! > > > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > > >gross $30K from the book. > > > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > > >you will split the proceeds. > > > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > > > >Jared > > >-- > > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > >-- > > >Author: Jared Still > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > >the message BODY, include
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001,Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Dear God you want a picture of me! Geez, I hate just about every one that ->I've ever seen.. well, we can fix that, just let me get the 35mm in me hands and let's see what happens.;-) [yes i have won an award or two.] -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Dear God you want a picture of me! Geez, I hate just about every one that I've ever seen.. >From: "Oweson Flynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:12:56 -0800 > >Do you have a site that uses SSL - I have my grimy credit-card in my hand, >want to place my order now (As along as Rachel makes the front cover :) > >Regards >Oweson Flynn >-- >Certified and an Oracle DBA >The Flynn Consultancy >Tel: 082-600-7-006 >Fax: (011) 782-9313 >EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-Original Message- >Sent: 08 June 2001 00:28 >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Rodd, > >Gotcha, but I left one little detail out. > >I was thinking of calling the book "The Oracle Swimsuit Edition". > >heh heh heh > >I'll be in reprints until the cows come home! > >Ross "Hannibal" Mohan > > >|| -Original Message- >|| From: Rodd Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >|| Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM >|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >|| Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >|| >|| >|| The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually >|| get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting >|| with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 >|| friends and relatives to give the others to). >|| It's a risk like any other investment. >|| >|| "Mohan, Ross" wrote: >|| >|| > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return >|| > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is|| > calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. >|| > >|| > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? >|| > >|| > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! >|| > >|| > || -Original Message- >|| > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >|| > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM >|| > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >|| > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >|| > || >|| > || >|| > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put >|| > || up front. I don't >|| > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the >|| > || stock market. Also >|| > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not >|| > || technical). Should not be >|| > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get >|| > || much more money. >|| > || >|| > || Alex Hillman >|| > || >|| > || -Original Message- >|| > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM >|| > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >|| > || >|| > || >|| > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, >|| > || they do, that's >|| > || how my father-in-law published his book) >|| > || >|| > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in >|| > || editing your >|| > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of >|| > || the author that >|| > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. >|| > || >|| > || >|| > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >|| > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >|| > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >|| > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >|| > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 >|| > || > >|| > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where >|| > || you can get 33% >|| > || >of >|| > || >sales. >|| > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as >|| > || with any other >|| > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion >|| > || any way). >|| > || > >|| > || >Alex Hillman >|| > || > >|| > || >-Original Message- >|| > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM >|| > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >|| > || > >|| > || > >|| > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the >|| > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the >|| > || >like.. >|| > || > >|| > || >hth >|| > || >connor >|| > || > >|| > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, >|| > || > >
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001,Jim Hawkins scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->You're in, but any kissing scenes are out of the question. This will be a ->family film aside from Ross' speedo-wearing cannibalism and Bill Thater's ->occasional dusting of a helpless developer. occasional? aw shucks.;-) "there's 50 ways to dust a devloper...";-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->You're making my dreams come true, FragMan! -> ->"I gotcher autoextend, right here.." to quote my explosives instructor "there is no problem that can not be solved by the application of the proper amount of high explosives.";-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->I want to see Bill Thater doing an Austin Powers shimmy ->in the background, while dressed up in full combat scuba ->gear. Can we get that in on the script rewrite? Can we? ->Can we? Huh huh huh? u actually i do a better uncle kraker: "you don't know how you found me and you don't know why you can't turn around and say good bye.";-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
set director_talk on Yes, yes. I can see this...panning camera...slowly rising...The Enforcer emerging from the crystal blue surf...I like it! We will adapt the film to this. Cut! Print! Where's my damn Grip? I need my coffee refilled! And who's responsible for the catering? set director_talk off > I want to see Bill Thater doing an Austin Powers shimmy > in the background, while dressed up in full combat scuba > gear. Can we get that in on the script rewrite? Can we? > Can we? Huh huh huh? > > || -Original Message- > || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:21 PM > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it > || or not)..." > || > || > || How about the films theme song? > || > || I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. > || > || "database writer > || DATABASE WRIIITTERR > || DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" > || > || Dorothy > || > || P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or > || something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. > || > || -Original Message- > || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 04:48 > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || > || > || Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and > || I thank all > || those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely > || valuable to me (and others). > || > || Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I > || could not *happily* > || write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids > || under age 4), so > || I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's > || right, we're > || going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's > || Cannes Festival in > || southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk > || Oracle DBA's). > || > || "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to > || Love the Larry" > || directed by Jim Hawkins. > || > || Starring (not in order of importance): > || *Larry Ellison as God > || *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with > || a compassionate > || heart) > || *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > || *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught > || between Heaven and > || Hell) > || *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > || > || And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > || story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > || combination film? > || > || But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a > || good mood, and > || have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 > || minutes typing > || this email. > || > || Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > || company. > || > || Jim > || > || -- > || Jim Hawkins > || Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > || MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > || 600 Pearl Drive > || St. Louis, MO 633376 > || 9636) 474-7832 > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > || > || > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really > || surprised if it were > || > gross. > || > > || > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > || > > || > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven > || Feuerstein or > || Kevin > || > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > || > > || > > || > > || > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > || > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > || > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > || > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > || > > > || > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > || > > > || > > > I think all the original poster was asking was > || ballpark figures. ie; > || > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect > || to make around > || > >$1,000, > || > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal > || finances involved. > || > >Your > || > > > mileage may vary, etc. > || > > > || > >100K?! > || > > > || > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is > || 10%, which is > || > >
RE: OT - Wrap-up of 'Serious Question (believe it or not)...'
You're in, but any kissing scenes are out of the question. This will be a family film aside from Ross' speedo-wearing cannibalism and Bill Thater's occasional dusting of a helpless developer. As for the soundtrack, we'll put your song on as well. By the way, Larry E. called me from his yacht and really wants to add another character: Bill Gates as The Extortionist. I'm now taking bids on who gets to ax this guy in the movie... Jim > How about the films theme song? > > I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. > > "database writer > DATABASE WRIIITTERR > DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" > > Dorothy > > P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or > something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 04:48 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all > those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely > valuable to me (and others). > > Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not *happily* > write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so > I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're > going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival in > southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). > > "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the Larry" > directed by Jim Hawkins. > > Starring (not in order of importance): > *Larry Ellison as God > *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a compassionate > heart) > *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) > *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven and > Hell) > *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) > > And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a > story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning > combination film? > > But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and > have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing > this email. > > Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > company. > > Jim > > -- > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > > gross. > > > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or > Kevin > > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > > >$1,000, > > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. > > >Your > > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > > > >100K?! > > > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > > >gross $30K from the book. > > > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > > >you will split the proceeds. > > > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > > > >Jared > > >-- > > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > >-- >
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I want to see Bill Thater doing an Austin Powers shimmy in the background, while dressed up in full combat scuba gear. Can we get that in on the script rewrite? Can we? Can we? Huh huh huh? || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:21 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it || or not)..." || || || How about the films theme song? || || I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. || || "database writer || DATABASE WRIIITTERR || DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" || || Dorothy || || P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or || something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. || || -Original Message- || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 04:48 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and || I thank all || those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely || valuable to me (and others). || || Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I || could not *happily* || write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids || under age 4), so || I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's || right, we're || going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's || Cannes Festival in || southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk || Oracle DBA's). || || "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to || Love the Larry" || directed by Jim Hawkins. || || Starring (not in order of importance): || *Larry Ellison as God || *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with || a compassionate || heart) || *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) || *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught || between Heaven and || Hell) || *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) || || And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a || story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning || combination film? || || But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a || good mood, and || have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 || minutes typing || this email. || || Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film || company. || || Jim || || -- || Jim Hawkins || Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || 600 Pearl Drive || St. Louis, MO 633376 || 9636) 474-7832 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) || || > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really || surprised if it were || > gross. || > || > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. || > || > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven || Feuerstein or || Kevin || > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. || > || > || > || > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 || > > || > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || > > || > > > I think all the original poster was asking was || ballpark figures. ie; || > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect || to make around || > >$1,000, || > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal || finances involved. || > >Your || > > > mileage may vary, etc. || > > || > >100K?! || > > || > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is || 10%, which is || > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. || > > || > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell || > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will || > >gross $30K from the book. || > > || > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are || co-authors, || > >you will split the proceeds. || > > || > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. || > > || > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but || > >not many tech books sell that well. || > > || > >Jared || > >-- || > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || > >-- || > >Author: Jared Still || > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > > || > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || (858) 538-5051 || > >San Diego,
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. Guiness At 08:30 AM 6/8/01 -0800, you wrote: >That's perfect! Bartender...another Guiness for Lee, please. > >> No doubt 8192 Century Blox >> >> Lee >> >> >> >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film >> >company. >> >> Jim >> >> -- >> Jim Hawkins >> Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >> MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >> 600 Pearl Drive >> St. Louis, MO 633376 >> 9636) 474-7832 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) >> >> > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were >> > gross. >> > >> > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. >> > >> > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or >> Kevin >> > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >> > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 >> > > >> > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > >> > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. >ie; >> > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around >> > >$1,000, >> > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances >involved. >> >> > >Your >> > > > mileage may vary, etc. >> > > >> > >100K?! >> > > >> > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is >> > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. >> > > >> > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell >> > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will >> > >gross $30K from the book. >> > > >> > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, >> > >you will split the proceeds. >> > > >> > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. >> > > >> > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but >> > >not many tech books sell that well. >> > > >> > >Jared >> > >-- >> > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >> > >-- >> > >Author: Jared Still >> > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >> > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists >> > > >> > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >> > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >> > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >> > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >> > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >> > >> > _ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > -- >> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >> > -- >> > Author: Rachel Carmichael >> > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >> > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists >> > >> > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >> > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >> > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >> > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >> > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Jim Hawkins >> Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >> MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >> 600 Pearl
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That's perfect! Bartender...another Guiness for Lee, please. > No doubt 8192 Century Blox > > Lee > > > >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film > >company. > > Jim > > -- > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > > gross. > > > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or > Kevin > > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > > >$1,000, > > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. > > > >Your > > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > > > >100K?! > > > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > > >gross $30K from the book. > > > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > > >you will split the proceeds. > > > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > > > >Jared > > >-- > > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > >-- > > >Author: Jared Still > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Rachel Carmichael > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE y
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HA HA HA. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || No, Alex. You just have to be incredibly rude. That's || your list avatar's persona. Don't try to pull the || Mother Teresa crap with us now, it's too late. Be free, || man. Be yourself. Step on toes, pull no punches. Tell it || like it is. Take a few papers and publish them on a || web site on the freaking polar ice cap. Raise hell. || Then, self-publish a book about it. I'll do the illustrations. || || || || || || -Original Message- || || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || || || || || I am not saying that there was nothing useful for me in this || || book. I read it from beginning to the end and enjoyed. Simply that I knew || || most of what was written. But again I would be very glad if I had such book || || when I began study Oracle. || || || || Peace, ok. || || || || Alex Hillman -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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You're making my dreams come true, FragMan! "I gotcher autoextend, right here.." || -Original Message- || From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:51 AM || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || but remember you also get me, the fat man in a wet suit and || full gear, carying UDT charges and grinning evily.;-) || || -- || Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
|| || || No, Alex. You just have to be incredibly rude. That's || your list avatar's persona. Don't try to pull the || Mother Teresa crap with us now, it's too late. Be free, || man. Be yourself. Step on toes, pull no punches. Tell it || like it is. Take a few papers and publish them on a || web site on the freaking polar ice cap. Raise hell. || Then, self-publish a book about it. I'll do the illustrations. || || || || || || -Original Message- || || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || || || || || I am not saying that there was nothing useful for me in this || || book. I read it from beginning to the end and enjoyed. Simply that I knew || || most of what was written. But again I would be very glad if I had such book || || when I began study Oracle. || || || || Peace, ok. || || || || Alex Hillman -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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How about the films theme song? I vote for "Database Writer" : sung to the tune the Beatles created. "database writer DATABASE WRIIITTERR DATTTAAABASE WRRRIIITEERRR" Dorothy P.S Can i get a part in my red shoes as a transvestite waitress or something? :) I'll even get a wig with bunches.. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 04:48 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely valuable to me (and others). Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not *happily* write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival in southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. Starring (not in order of importance): *Larry Ellison as God *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a compassionate heart) *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven and Hell) *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning combination film? But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing this email. Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film company. Jim -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > gross. > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or Kevin > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > >$1,000, > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. > >Your > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > >100K?! > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > >gross $30K from the book. > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > >you will split the proceeds. > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > >Jared > >-- > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > >-- > >Author: Jared Still > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (
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No doubt 8192 Century Blox Lee >Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film >company. Jim -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > gross. > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or Kevin > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > >$1,000, > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. > >Your > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > >100K?! > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > >gross $30K from the book. > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > >you will split the proceeds. > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > >Jared > >-- > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > >-- > >Author: Jared Still > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is st
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->LoL!!! -> -> ->|| -Original Message- ->|| From: Oweson Flynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ->|| Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:13 AM ->|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ->|| Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... ->|| ->|| ->|| Do you have a site that uses SSL - I have my grimy ->|| credit-card in my hand, ->|| want to place my order now (As along as Rachel makes the ->|| front cover :) but remember you also get me, the fat man in a wet suit and full gear, carying UDT charges and grinning evily.;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT - Wrap-up of "Serious Question (believe it or not)..."
Well, we certainly had a fine discussion on this topic, and I thank all those who responded and weighed in. All of your input was extremely valuable to me (and others). Based on Rachel's and others' comments, I believe that I could not *happily* write a technical book at this point in my life (3 kids under age 4), so I've decided to follow the other camp's suggestion. That's right, we're going straight to the big screen. Join me in next year's Cannes Festival in southern France (yeah, they'll love an invasion of drunk Oracle DBA's). "Hidden Parameter, Crouching Developer - or How I Learned to Love the Larry" directed by Jim Hawkins. Starring (not in order of importance): *Larry Ellison as God *Bill "Shrek" Thater as The Enforcer (a gentle assassin with a compassionate heart) *Ross Mohan as Hannibal (speedo-wearing cannibal) *Rachel Carmichael as The Goddess (a do-good angel caught between Heaven and Hell) *Jared Still as Charlie (the voice behind the chair) And anyone else that wants a part, just let me know. Haven't built a story-line yet, but wht could possibly go wrong with this winning combination film? But seriously, sorry about this post - it's Friday, I'm in a good mood, and have my databases all running so well, that I could spend 15 minutes typing this email. Virtual Guiness Stout to all on the list, compliments of my new film company. Jim -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > 10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were > gross. > > Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. > > And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or Kevin > Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. > > > > >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > > > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around > >$1,000, > > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. > >Your > > > mileage may vary, etc. > > > >100K?! > > > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is > >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > > > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell > >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will > >gross $30K from the book. > > > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, > >you will split the proceeds. > > > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > > > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but > >not many tech books sell that well. > > > >Jared > >-- > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > >-- > >Author: Jared Still > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the na
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
LoL!!! || -Original Message- || From: Oweson Flynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:13 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || Do you have a site that uses SSL - I have my grimy || credit-card in my hand, || want to place my order now (As along as Rachel makes the || front cover :) || || Regards || Oweson Flynn || -- || Certified and an Oracle DBA || The Flynn Consultancy || Tel: 082-600-7-006 || Fax: (011) 782-9313 || EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || -Original Message- || Sent: 08 June 2001 00:28 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Rodd, || || Gotcha, but I left one little detail out. || || I was thinking of calling the book "The Oracle Swimsuit Edition". || || heh heh heh || || I'll be in reprints until the cows come home! || || Ross "Hannibal" Mohan || || || || -Original Message- || || From: Rodd Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || || || || The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually || || get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting || || with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 || || friends and relatives to give the others to). || || It's a risk like any other investment. || || || || "Mohan, Ross" wrote: || || || || > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return || || > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. || || > || || > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? || || > || || > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! || || > || || > || -Original Message- || || > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM || || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || > || || || > || || || > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put || || > || up front. I don't || || > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the || || > || stock market. Also || || > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not || || > || technical). Should not be || || > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get || || > || much more money. || || > || || || > || Alex Hillman || || > || || || > || -Original Message- || || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM || || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || > || || || > || || || > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, || || > || they do, that's || || > || how my father-in-law published his book) || || > || || || > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in || || > || editing your || || > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of || || > || the author that || || > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. || || > || || || > || || || > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || || > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || || > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 || || > || > || || > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where || || > || you can get 33% || || > || >of || || > || >sales. || || > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as || || > || with any other || || > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion || || > || any way). || || > || > || || > || >Alex Hillman || || > || > || || > || >-Original Message- || || > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM || || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || > || > || || > || > || || > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the || || > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the || || > || >like.. || || > || > || || > || >hth || || > || >connor || || > || > || || > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, || || > || > > || || > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in || || > || > > the writing of an || || > || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am || || > || > > interested in how those of
RE: Re[4]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Thanks, finally some useful info. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello Ed (and whoever else is interested), Computer book deals are usually structured such that the author gets a percentage of net sales. Net sales reflect the wholesale price of the book. A $40 book will wholesale for somewhat less than $20. Let's be generous, and use $20. A 10% royalty rate would then result in the author getting $2/book. Discounts are often greater than 50%, so reality isn't quite as good as I've just described. Some publishers are more willing to discount than others. If you would like a good walk-through of a contract, I invite you to visit the following URL where you can find a description of the contract we use at O'Reilly. We have, btw, a very short, two-page contract. http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/ch03.html We pay the same rate regardless of where, or how, the book is sold. We pay the same rate regardless of how much the book is discounted. We pay the same rate for foreign sales that are not translations. So if you write a book in English, and we sell an English-language copy in Zambia, you get the full rate. We don't hold back anything for returns, and we don't charge indexing fees. Oh, what else, what else. There's a lawyer I know named Ivan Hoffman who specializes in intellectual property issues. He has some great articles on his website that discuss various issues of interest to writers and publishers. His site's URL is: http://www.ivanhoffman.com/. You might also visit Studio B's web site. They have an article page at: http://studiob.com/content.asp?keyword=ART. I found the one titled "Negotiating your first computer book deal" to be very helpful when I was negotiating my first computer book deal. Even though money may not be your #1 reason for writing a book, you shouldn't discount it entirely. I find that the advance check I get when I hit a major milestone tends to renew my enthusiasm for whatever project I'm working on at the time. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org Thursday, June 07, 2001, 2:31:30 PM, you wrote: HE> Jonathan, HE> Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the HE> reasons are: HE> 1. Credibility with peers / clients HE> 2. Sense of accomplishment HE> 3. Enjoy sharing information with people HE> 4. Some extra cash HE> I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would HE> consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly HE> am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could you HE> give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive HE> from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and HE> salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically HE> structured? HE> Thanks, HE> Ed Haskins HE> Oracle DBA HE> Verizon Wireless HE> -Original Message- HE> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM HE> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L HE> Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: CS>> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) HE> Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to HE> predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the HE> time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes HE> it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low HE> expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly HE> surprised. HE> Best regards, HE> Jonathan Gennick HE> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 HE> http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you
Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
10% of GROSS sales? or net? I'd be really really surprised if it were gross. Figure that net sales on that @29.95 book is at most half that. And 10,000 copies? Hm, well, I'd bet someone like Steven Feuerstein or Kevin Loney would sell that many, but not most authors. >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:55:22 -0800 > >On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around >$1,000, > > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. >Your > > mileage may vary, etc. > >100K?! > >In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is >public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. > >If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell >for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will >gross $30K from the book. > >10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, >you will split the proceeds. > >Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. > >There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but >not many tech books sell that well. > >Jared >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
I am not saying that there was nothing useful for me in this book. I read it from beginning to the end and enjoyed. Simply that I knew most of what was written. But again I would be very glad if I had such book when I began study Oracle. Peace, ok. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Hillman, Alex scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my opinion. ->What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work. ->Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the ->way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little ->late for me). i don't know, my copy [well highlighted and scribbled in] is next to me while i work and i still learn things from it. bought a copy for my Jr. DBA to train from too. seems to have worked well for that too. and i have been at this DBA stuff for a few years now. as for writing a book, no way i'd try to make money from it. if i ever take part in that activity, i'll want to write it the way i see it and not worry about making money. -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Last one out, turn off the computer! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT / LOL/ Serious Question (believe it or not)...
No way, I thought that was great!!! -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Speilberg eh? Can we call it "Saving Private Synonym". Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee !!! [sounds of general thigh slapping and side-splitting] Cheers, Mike PS Sorry folks, I realise how pathetic that was but it's Friday so give me a break =) PPS Yes John (G), I KNOW! On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Luis DeUrioste suggested (quite rightly in my opinion): ->Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and ->convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in ->Do. ->.. . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Speilberg eh? Can we call it "Saving Private Synonym". Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee !!! [sounds of general thigh slapping and side-splitting] Cheers, Mike PS Sorry folks, I realise how pathetic that was but it's Friday so give me a break =) PPS Yes John (G), I KNOW! On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Luis DeUrioste suggested (quite rightly in my opinion): ->Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and ->convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in ->Do. ->.. . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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HAHAHAHAH -Original Message- William Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Luis DeUrioste scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and ->convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in ->Do. ->Oracle from the ground up ! a thriller, starring in order of appearance: ->"The Goddess" Rachel Carmichael ->"The Tuner" --- Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha ->"Remote" --- Ari Kaplan ->"Store Keeper" -- Ian Abramson ->.. can i be the "Enforcer"?;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Last one out, turn off the computer! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Do you have a site that uses SSL - I have my grimy credit-card in my hand, want to place my order now (As along as Rachel makes the front cover :) Regards Oweson Flynn -- Certified and an Oracle DBA The Flynn Consultancy Tel: 082-600-7-006 Fax: (011) 782-9313 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: 08 June 2001 00:28 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rodd, Gotcha, but I left one little detail out. I was thinking of calling the book "The Oracle Swimsuit Edition". heh heh heh I'll be in reprints until the cows come home! Ross "Hannibal" Mohan || -Original Message- || From: Rodd Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually || get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting || with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 || friends and relatives to give the others to). || It's a risk like any other investment. || || "Mohan, Ross" wrote: || || > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return || > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. || > || > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? || > || > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! || > || > || -Original Message- || > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > || || > || || > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put || > || up front. I don't || > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the || > || stock market. Also || > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not || > || technical). Should not be || > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get || > || much more money. || > || || > || Alex Hillman || > || || > || -Original Message- || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || || > || || > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, || > || they do, that's || > || how my father-in-law published his book) || > || || > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in || > || editing your || > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of || > || the author that || > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. || > || || > || || > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 || > || > || > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where || > || you can get 33% || > || >of || > || >sales. || > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as || > || with any other || > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion || > || any way). || > || > || > || >Alex Hillman || > || > || > || >-Original Message- || > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || > || > || > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the || > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the || > || >like.. || > || > || > || >hth || > || >connor || > || > || > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, || > || > > || > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in || > || > > the writing of an || > || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am || > || > > interested in how those of || > || > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or || > || > > made the right || > || > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary || > || > > background, so I know I can do || > || > > this. || > || > > || > || > > Jim || > || > > || > || > > Jim Hawkins || > || > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || > || > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || > || > > 600 Pearl Drive || > || > > St. Louis, MO 633376 || > || > > 9636) 474-7832 || > || > > [EMAIL PROT
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Hillman, Alex scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my opinion. ->What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work. ->Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the ->way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little ->late for me). i don't know, my copy [well highlighted and scribbled in] is next to me while i work and i still learn things from it. bought a copy for my Jr. DBA to train from too. seems to have worked well for that too. and i have been at this DBA stuff for a few years now. as for writing a book, no way i'd try to make money from it. if i ever take part in that activity, i'll want to write it the way i see it and not worry about making money. -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Last one out, turn off the computer! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT / LOL/ Serious Question (believe it or not)...
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Luis DeUrioste scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and ->convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in ->Do. ->Oracle from the ground up ! a thriller, starring in order of appearance: ->"The Goddess" Rachel Carmichael ->"The Tuner" --- Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha ->"Remote" --- Ari Kaplan ->"Store Keeper" -- Ian Abramson ->.. can i be the "Enforcer"?;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Last one out, turn off the computer! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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>This has been such a fun thread. And scarry too. I don't even have >a >hint of a wish to write an Oracle Book now! My hat's off to all of >the >hard working authors out there :) > Michael -- ah, then my work is done :) >From: "Jenkins, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT / LOL/ Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:55:56 -0800 > >It depends on what you write. I'm sure Stephen King, etc. makes more than >200k/yr. I think the money is probably in the licensing. Oracle books >could have a entire marketing campaign that would even the score. Let's >see... we need T-Shirts, posters, kiddie toys as Micky Dees as well as a >slickly produced movie. > >Also, I bet there is a reason that a typical novel cost $25 and a typical >Technical Manual costs $50! > >Oh, just wondering what kind of royalty payment you get from a book club >that offers free books to join up. I think that Music Artists receive none >*YUK* > >Just my .125 cents (Royalty payment, don't you know!) > >This has been such a fun thread. And scarry too. I don't even have a hint >of a wish to write an Oracle Book now! My hat's off to all of the hard >working authors out there :) > >--Michael > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:15 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and >convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling >in >Do. >Oracle from the ground up ! a thriller, starring in order of appearance: >"The Goddess" Rachel Carmichael >"The Tuner" --- Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha >"Remote" --- Ari Kaplan >"Store Keeper" -- Ian Abramson >.. > >and others, just imagine the movie it would be wicked! > >oops! >Sorry I Just lost it > >Rachel Carmichael wrote: > > > let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish >his > > book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. > > > > and editors don't come cheap. > > > > Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? > > > > I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated > > about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number > > Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his > > experience) > > > > So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr > > > > 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months > > > > so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year > > > > THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! > > > > Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. > > > > Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get > > rich. > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > > > > > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I > > >don't > > >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. > > >Also > > >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should >not > > >be > > >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more >money. > > > > > >Alex Hillman > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, >that's > > >how my father-in-law published his book) > > > > > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your > > >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author >that > > >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <
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um, yeah, that's what happened to my father-in-law. there were only so many copies he could give away.. the rest lived in boxes in storage. to be fair, if you want to use one of the online self-publish houses, I believe there are some that don't print a copy of the book until it's been ordered >From: Rodd Holman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:59:06 -0800 > >The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually >get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting >with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 >friends and relatives to give the others to). >It's a risk like any other investment. > >"Mohan, Ross" wrote: > > > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return > > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is > calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. > > > > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? > > > > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! > > > > || -Original Message- > > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM > > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > || > > || > > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put > > || up front. I don't > > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the > > || stock market. Also > > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not > > || technical). Should not be > > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get > > || much more money. > > || > > || Alex Hillman > > || > > || -Original Message- > > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > || > > || > > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, > > || they do, that's > > || how my father-in-law published his book) > > || > > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in > > || editing your > > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of > > || the author that > > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > || > > || > > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > || > > > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where > > || you can get 33% > > || >of > > || >sales. > > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as > > || with any other > > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion > > || any way). > > || > > > || >Alex Hillman > > || > > > || >-Original Message- > > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > || > > > || > > > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > > || >like.. > > || > > > || >hth > > || >connor > > || > > > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > || > > > > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > || > > the writing of an > > || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > || > > interested in how those of > > || > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > || > > made the right > > || > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > || > > background, so I know I can do > > || > > this. > > || > > > > || > > Jim > > || > > > > || > > Jim Hawkins > > || > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > || > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > || > > 600 Pearl Drive > > || > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > || > > 9636) 474-7832 > > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > || > > > > || > > -
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thank you, I am glad you think that it is a good book (and there are things in there for experienced DBAs as well). and I said that $100/hr was low :) don't forget the additional taxes you'll owe on that $40,000, that's part of it. and even if I cleared the entire $40K, that's not exactly a LOT of money, not enough to let me retire. I don't know which author told you it was easier to find projects, I was told by one that while the DBAs knew his name, the problem was management didn't -- and they are the ones who make the final decision. In any case, this discussion is starting to overwhelm the list, and that's not fair to the others. I wish you luck in writing and self-publishing a book... and do let us know when it makes you a millionaire >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:59:09 -0800 > >I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my >opinion. >What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work. >Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the >way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little >late for me). If you were getting 33% of sales, and average price will be >$25 - it means that you could get about $8 for copy. If you could sell 5000 >books -it is $4 etc. Also compensation is not only royalty. As I was >told by one of Oracle book authors it is much easier to negotiate rates, >find projects etc. This comparison between self publishing and using >publishers is the same as between FTE and contractors. Contractors make >more >money but should be ready that the contract will be canceled at any time >without notice. And then it can take couple of months depending on the >market and one's rate to find another one. > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his >book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. > >and editors don't come cheap. > >Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? > >I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated >about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number >Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his >experience) > >So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr > >500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months > >so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year > >THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! > >Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. > >Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get >rich. > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > > > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I > >don't > >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. > >Also > >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not > >be > >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more >money. > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, >that's > >how my father-in-law published his book) > > > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your > >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that > >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > > > > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get >33% > > >of > >
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I never said what he MADE on the book, just what it cost to publish -- which as Alex has said about other things, is public knowledge because the publisher gives out their rates >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:56:01 -0800 > >But you had no problem giving out your father's self-publishing finances. > :-) > >I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; >should >a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, around >$10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your >mileage >may vary, etc. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > > > > sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I > > supply those, > > then I am making public my finances... which are no one's > > business but mine, > > the IRS and my accountant > > > > and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then > > certainly indirectly. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800 > > > > > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude > > - LOL). I did > > >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. > > But if you decide > > >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well > > that it depends. > > >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info > > about somebody > > >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it > > >difficult. > > >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US > > brokerage, have > > >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will > > cost only couple > > >of hundred dollars to find all this info. > > >So please relax and be happy. > > > > > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's > > belief in the > > >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the > > book, the selling > > >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. > > > > > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on > > how to set your > > >init.ora parameters -- "it depends" > > > > > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author > > can usually get > > >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the > > number of books > > >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes > > (upwards usually) > > > > > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: > > a bookstore > > >for > > > > > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book > > club, domestic > > >sales > > > > > >vs foreign sales. > > > > > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to > > split this money > > >up. > > > > > >Reading a royalty statement is an art. > > > > > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not > > asking you for a > > >loan, my personal finances are none of your business. > > > > > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > > > > > > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked > > several years > > >ago > > > >one guy how much his house is worth. He be
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Hello Ed (and whoever else is interested), Computer book deals are usually structured such that the author gets a percentage of net sales. Net sales reflect the wholesale price of the book. A $40 book will wholesale for somewhat less than $20. Let's be generous, and use $20. A 10% royalty rate would then result in the author getting $2/book. Discounts are often greater than 50%, so reality isn't quite as good as I've just described. Some publishers are more willing to discount than others. If you would like a good walk-through of a contract, I invite you to visit the following URL where you can find a description of the contract we use at O'Reilly. We have, btw, a very short, two-page contract. http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/ch03.html We pay the same rate regardless of where, or how, the book is sold. We pay the same rate regardless of how much the book is discounted. We pay the same rate for foreign sales that are not translations. So if you write a book in English, and we sell an English-language copy in Zambia, you get the full rate. We don't hold back anything for returns, and we don't charge indexing fees. Oh, what else, what else. There's a lawyer I know named Ivan Hoffman who specializes in intellectual property issues. He has some great articles on his website that discuss various issues of interest to writers and publishers. His site's URL is: http://www.ivanhoffman.com/. You might also visit Studio B's web site. They have an article page at: http://studiob.com/content.asp?keyword=ART. I found the one titled "Negotiating your first computer book deal" to be very helpful when I was negotiating my first computer book deal. Even though money may not be your #1 reason for writing a book, you shouldn't discount it entirely. I find that the advance check I get when I hit a major milestone tends to renew my enthusiasm for whatever project I'm working on at the time. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org Thursday, June 07, 2001, 2:31:30 PM, you wrote: HE> Jonathan, HE> Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the HE> reasons are: HE> 1. Credibility with peers / clients HE> 2. Sense of accomplishment HE> 3. Enjoy sharing information with people HE> 4. Some extra cash HE> I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would HE> consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly HE> am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could you HE> give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive HE> from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and HE> salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically HE> structured? HE> Thanks, HE> Ed Haskins HE> Oracle DBA HE> Verizon Wireless HE> -Original Message- HE> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM HE> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L HE> Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: CS>> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) HE> Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to HE> predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the HE> time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes HE> it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low HE> expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly HE> surprised. HE> Best regards, HE> Jonathan Gennick HE> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 HE> http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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On Thursday 07 June 2001 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; > should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, > around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your > mileage may vary, etc. 100K?! In your dreams. Standard royalty rate for O'Reilly is 10%, which is public knowledge as they publish it on their web site. If you sell 10,000 copies of a 29.95 book ( assuming they all sell for the list price, which isn't likely ) and no returns, you will gross $30K from the book. 10,000 copies is probably optimistic. And if there are co-authors, you will split the proceeds. Writing a technical book is in most cases a labor of love. There are exceptions, like 'SQL for Smarties' by Joe Celko, but not many tech books sell that well. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! || -Original Message- || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put || up front. I don't || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the || stock market. Also || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not || technical). Should not be || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get || much more money. || || Alex Hillman || || -Original Message- || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, || they do, that's || how my father-in-law published his book) || || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in || editing your || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of || the author that || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. || || || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 || > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where || you can get 33% || >of || >sales. || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as || with any other || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion || any way). || > || >Alex Hillman || > || >-Original Message- || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the || >like.. || > || >hth || >connor || > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, || > > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in || > > the writing of an || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am || > > interested in how those of || > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or || > > made the right || > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary || > > background, so I know I can do || > > this. || > > || > > Jim || > > || > > Jim Hawkins || > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || > > 600 Pearl Drive || > > St. Louis, MO 633376 || > > 9636) 474-7832 || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) || > > || > > -- || > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: || > > http://www.orafaq.com || > > -- || > > Author: Jim Hawkins || > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > > || > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || > > (858) 538-5051 || > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet || > > access / Mailing Lists || > > || > || > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an || > > E-Mail message || > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || > > 'ListGuru') and in || > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB || > > ORACLE-L || > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || > > from). You may || > > also send the HELP command for other information || > > (like subscribing). || > || > || >= || >Connor McDonald || >http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at || >http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) || > || >"Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue" || > || > || >Do You Yahoo!? || >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk || >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie || >-- || >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || >-- || >Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= || > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > || >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || > || >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing lis
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let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. and editors don't come cheap. Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his experience) So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get rich. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I >don't >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. >Also >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not >be >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money. > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's >how my father-in-law published his book) > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% > >of > >sales. > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any >other > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > >like.. > > > >hth > >connor > > > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > > the writing of an > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > > interested in how those of > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > > made the right > > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > > background, so I know I can do > > > this. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim Hawkins > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > > 600 Pearl Drive > > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > > 9636) 474-7832 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > > http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > > (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > > E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > > > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > > ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > > from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information > > > (like subscribing). > > > > > >= > >Connor McDonald > >
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Not even that. I was interested what are possible parameters of the deal, what is negotiated with the publisher, what can be reasonable expectations etc. Something like if your book is sold 1 copies you can reasonable try to get x% of sales price etc. I was not interested in any specific details of any specific deals. It is the same thing as to ask what is the hourly rate for Oracle DBA. Answer - it depends but usually it is not a problem knowing location, person experience and knowledge and type of the project to tell the rate with maybe 20% precision. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L But you had no problem giving out your father's self-publishing finances. :-) I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your mileage may vary, etc. > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I > supply those, > then I am making public my finances... which are no one's > business but mine, > the IRS and my accountant > > and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then > certainly indirectly. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800 > > > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude > - LOL). I did > >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. > But if you decide > >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well > that it depends. > >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info > about somebody > >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it > >difficult. > >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US > brokerage, have > >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will > cost only couple > >of hundred dollars to find all this info. > >So please relax and be happy. > > > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's > belief in the > >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the > book, the selling > >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. > > > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on > how to set your > >init.ora parameters -- "it depends" > > > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author > can usually get > >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the > number of books > >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes > (upwards usually) > > > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: > a bookstore > >for > > > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book > club, domestic > >sales > > > >vs foreign sales. > > > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to > split this money > >up. > > > >Reading a royalty statement is an art. > > > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not > asking you for a > >loan, my personal finances are none of your business. > > > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > > > > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked > several years > >ago > > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and > answered something > > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase > is a public > > >record > > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't > use it
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But you had no problem giving out your father's self-publishing finances. :-) I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your mileage may vary, etc. > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I > supply those, > then I am making public my finances... which are no one's > business but mine, > the IRS and my accountant > > and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then > certainly indirectly. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800 > > > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude > - LOL). I did > >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. > But if you decide > >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well > that it depends. > >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info > about somebody > >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it > >difficult. > >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US > brokerage, have > >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will > cost only couple > >of hundred dollars to find all this info. > >So please relax and be happy. > > > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's > belief in the > >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the > book, the selling > >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. > > > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on > how to set your > >init.ora parameters -- "it depends" > > > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author > can usually get > >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the > number of books > >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes > (upwards usually) > > > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: > a bookstore > >for > > > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book > club, domestic > >sales > > > >vs foreign sales. > > > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to > split this money > >up. > > > >Reading a royalty statement is an art. > > > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not > asking you for a > >loan, my personal finances are none of your business. > > > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > > > > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked > several years > >ago > > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and > answered something > > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase > is a public > > >record > > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't > use it) can get > > >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - > somehow everybody > > >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a > book, however > > >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what > percentages you > > >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. > You should go > > >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would > like to ask > > >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask > usually what is > >the > > >range this position is paying and usually people do not > have problem to > > >answer such
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It depends on what you write. I'm sure Stephen King, etc. makes more than 200k/yr. I think the money is probably in the licensing. Oracle books could have a entire marketing campaign that would even the score. Let's see... we need T-Shirts, posters, kiddie toys as Micky Dees as well as a slickly produced movie. Also, I bet there is a reason that a typical novel cost $25 and a typical Technical Manual costs $50! Oh, just wondering what kind of royalty payment you get from a book club that offers free books to join up. I think that Music Artists receive none *YUK* Just my .125 cents (Royalty payment, don't you know!) This has been such a fun thread. And scarry too. I don't even have a hint of a wish to write an Oracle Book now! My hat's off to all of the hard working authors out there :) --Michael -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in Do. Oracle from the ground up ! a thriller, starring in order of appearance: "The Goddess" Rachel Carmichael "The Tuner" --- Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha "Remote" --- Ari Kaplan "Store Keeper" -- Ian Abramson .. and others, just imagine the movie it would be wicked! oops! Sorry I Just lost it Rachel Carmichael wrote: > let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his > book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. > > and editors don't come cheap. > > Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? > > I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated > about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number > Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his > experience) > > So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr > > 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months > > so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year > > THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! > > Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. > > Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get > rich. > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > > > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I > >don't > >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. > >Also > >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not > >be > >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money. > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's > >how my father-in-law published his book) > > > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your > >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that > >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > > > > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% > > >of > > >sales. > > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any > >other > > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > > > > > >Alex Hillman > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > > >like.. > > > > > >hth > > >connor > > > > > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > >
RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
-Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I supply those, then I am making public my finances... which are no one's business but mine, the IRS and my accountant and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then certainly indirectly. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800 > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude - LOL). I did >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. But if you decide >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well that it depends. >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info about somebody >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it >difficult. >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US brokerage, have >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will cost only couple >of hundred dollars to find all this info. >So please relax and be happy. > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's belief in the >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the book, the selling >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on how to set your >init.ora parameters -- "it depends" > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author can usually get >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the number of books >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes (upwards usually) > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: a bookstore >for > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book club, domestic >sales > >vs foreign sales. > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to split this money >up. > >Reading a royalty statement is an art. > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not asking you for a >loan, my personal finances are none of your business. > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked several years >ago > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and answered something > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase is a public > >record > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't use it) can get > >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - somehow everybody > >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a book, however > >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what percentages you > >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You should go > >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would like to ask > >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask usually what is >the > >range this position is paying and usually people do not have problem to > >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my opinion to do self > >publishing. > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Jonathan, > > > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the > >reasons are: > > > >1. Credibility with peers / clients > >2. Sense of accomplishment > >3. Enjoy sharing information with people > >4. Some extra cash > > > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would > >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I >certainly > >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could > >you > >give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive > >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and > >salesability...but what's a g
Re: OT / LOL/ Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Well I think if we all pitch in a bit, and put out one heck of a book and convince Steven Spielberg to take it to the screen, yes we would be rolling in Do. Oracle from the ground up ! a thriller, starring in order of appearance: "The Goddess" Rachel Carmichael "The Tuner" --- Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha "Remote" --- Ari Kaplan "Store Keeper" -- Ian Abramson .. and others, just imagine the movie it would be wicked! oops! Sorry I Just lost it Rachel Carmichael wrote: > let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his > book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. > > and editors don't come cheap. > > Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? > > I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated > about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number > Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his > experience) > > So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr > > 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months > > so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year > > THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! > > Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. > > Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get > rich. > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > > > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I > >don't > >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. > >Also > >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not > >be > >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money. > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's > >how my father-in-law published his book) > > > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your > >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that > >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > > > > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% > > >of > > >sales. > > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any > >other > > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > > > > > >Alex Hillman > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > > >like.. > > > > > >hth > > >connor > > > > > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > > > the writing of an > > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > > > interested in how those of > > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > > > made the right > > > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > > > background, so I know I can do > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Jim Hawkins > > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > > > 600 Pearl Drive > > > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > > > 9636) 474-7832 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > > > > > -- > > > >
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Rodd, Gotcha, but I left one little detail out. I was thinking of calling the book "The Oracle Swimsuit Edition". heh heh heh I'll be in reprints until the cows come home! Ross "Hannibal" Mohan || -Original Message- || From: Rodd Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually || get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting || with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 || friends and relatives to give the others to). || It's a risk like any other investment. || || "Mohan, Ross" wrote: || || > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return || > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. || > || > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? || > || > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! || > || > || -Original Message- || > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > || || > || || > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put || > || up front. I don't || > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the || > || stock market. Also || > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not || > || technical). Should not be || > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get || > || much more money. || > || || > || Alex Hillman || > || || > || -Original Message- || > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM || > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || || > || || > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, || > || they do, that's || > || how my father-in-law published his book) || > || || > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in || > || editing your || > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of || > || the author that || > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. || > || || > || || > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 || > || > || > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where || > || you can get 33% || > || >of || > || >sales. || > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as || > || with any other || > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion || > || any way). || > || > || > || >Alex Hillman || > || > || > || >-Original Message- || > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM || > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || > || > || > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the || > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the || > || >like.. || > || > || > || >hth || > || >connor || > || > || > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, || > || > > || > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in || > || > > the writing of an || > || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am || > || > > interested in how those of || > || > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or || > || > > made the right || > || > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary || > || > > background, so I know I can do || > || > > this. || > || > > || > || > > Jim || > || > > || > || > > Jim Hawkins || > || > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || > || > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || > || > > 600 Pearl Drive || > || > > St. Louis, MO 633376 || > || > > 9636) 474-7832 || > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) || > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) || > || > > || > || > > -- || > || > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: || > || > > http://www.orafaq.com || > || > > -- || > || > > Author: Jim Hawkins || > || > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > || > > || > || > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || > || > > (858)
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I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my opinion. What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work. Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little late for me). If you were getting 33% of sales, and average price will be $25 - it means that you could get about $8 for copy. If you could sell 5000 books -it is $4 etc. Also compensation is not only royalty. As I was told by one of Oracle book authors it is much easier to negotiate rates, find projects etc. This comparison between self publishing and using publishers is the same as between FTE and contractors. Contractors make more money but should be ready that the contract will be canceled at any time without notice. And then it can take couple of months depending on the market and one's rate to find another one. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. and editors don't come cheap. Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book??? I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his experience) So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get rich. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 > >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I >don't >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. >Also >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not >be >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money. > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's >how my father-in-law published his book) > >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > > > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% > >of > >sales. > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any >other > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > >like.. > > > >hth > >connor > > > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > > the writing of an > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > > interested in how those of > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > > made the right > > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > > background, so I know I can do > > > this. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim Hawkins > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > > 600 Pearl Drive > > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > > 9636) 474-7832 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > >
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The math isn't bad, but that is assuming that you actually get those 10,000 copies sold. You could be left sitting with 9,750 copies in your garage (assuming you have 250 friends and relatives to give the others to). It's a risk like any other investment. "Mohan, Ross" wrote: > I'd like to see the spreadsheet on this.33% return > on 10,000 copies of a 36$ book is calculator mode>...around an eighth of a MILLION dollars. > > Now, I wonder how much it costs you to publish each copy? > > Too bad Rachel's Dad isn't on this list! > > || -Original Message- > || From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:11 PM > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > || > || > || I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put > || up front. I don't > || think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the > || stock market. Also > || what is the problem to hire editor (especially not > || technical). Should not be > || too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get > || much more money. > || > || Alex Hillman > || > || -Original Message- > || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM > || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || > || > || self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, > || they do, that's > || how my father-in-law published his book) > || > || I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in > || editing your > || book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of > || the author that > || Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. > || > || > || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > || > > || >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where > || you can get 33% > || >of > || >sales. > || >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as > || with any other > || >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion > || any way). > || > > || >Alex Hillman > || > > || >-Original Message- > || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM > || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > || > > || > > || >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the > || >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the > || >like.. > || > > || >hth > || >connor > || > > || >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > || > > > || > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > || > > the writing of an > || > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > || > > interested in how those of > || > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > || > > made the right > || > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > || > > background, so I know I can do > || > > this. > || > > > || > > Jim > || > > > || > > Jim Hawkins > || > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > || > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > || > > 600 Pearl Drive > || > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > || > > 9636) 474-7832 > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > || > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > || > > > || > > -- > || > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > || > > http://www.orafaq.com > || > > -- > || > > Author: Jim Hawkins > || > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || > > > || > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > || > > (858) 538-5051 > || > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > || > > access / Mailing Lists > || > > > || > > || > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > || > > E-Mail message > || > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > || > > 'ListGuru') and in > || > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > || > > ORACLE-L > || > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > || > > from). You may > || > > also send the HELP command for other information > || > > (like subscribing). > || > > || > > || >= &
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sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I supply those, then I am making public my finances... which are no one's business but mine, the IRS and my accountant and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then certainly indirectly. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800 > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude - LOL). I did >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. But if you decide >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well that it depends. >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info about somebody >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it >difficult. >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US brokerage, have >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will cost only couple >of hundred dollars to find all this info. >So please relax and be happy. > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's belief in the >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the book, the selling >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on how to set your >init.ora parameters -- "it depends" > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author can usually get >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the number of books >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes (upwards usually) > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: a bookstore >for > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book club, domestic >sales > >vs foreign sales. > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to split this money >up. > >Reading a royalty statement is an art. > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not asking you for a >loan, my personal finances are none of your business. > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. > > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked several years >ago > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and answered something > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase is a public > >record > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't use it) can get > >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - somehow everybody > >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a book, however > >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what percentages you > >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You should go > >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would like to ask > >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask usually what is >the > >range this position is paying and usually people do not have problem to > >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my opinion to do self > >publishing. > > > >Alex Hillman > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Jonathan, > > > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the > >reasons are: > > > >1. Credibility with peers / clients > >2. Sense of accomplishment > >3. Enjoy sharing information with people > >4. Some extra cash > > > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would > >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I >certainly > >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could > >you > >give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive > >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and > >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically > >structured? > > > >Thanks, > >Ed Haskins &g
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I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude - LOL). I did not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post. But if you decide to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well that it depends. And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info about somebody finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it difficult. If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US brokerage, have insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will cost only couple of hundred dollars to find all this info. So please relax and be happy. Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's belief in the marketability of the author, the number of pages in the book, the selling price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on how to set your init.ora parameters -- "it depends" you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author can usually get a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the number of books that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes (upwards usually) you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: a bookstore for full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book club, domestic sales vs foreign sales. Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to split this money up. Reading a royalty statement is an art. sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not asking you for a loan, my personal finances are none of your business. And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked several years ago >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and answered something >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase is a public >record >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't use it) can get >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - somehow everybody >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a book, however >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what percentages you >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You should go >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would like to ask >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask usually what is the >range this position is paying and usually people do not have problem to >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my opinion to do self >publishing. > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Jonathan, > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the >reasons are: > >1. Credibility with peers / clients >2. Sense of accomplishment >3. Enjoy sharing information with people >4. Some extra cash > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could >you >give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically >structured? > >Thanks, >Ed Haskins >Oracle DBA >Verizon Wireless > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: >CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) > >Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to >predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the >time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes >it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low >expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly >surprised. > >Best regards, > >Jonathan Gennick >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org > > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jonathan Gennick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services
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I agree with Paul. Dorothy and I can come and help you mediate your conflict. Dorothy will be prancing about in red shoes, and I'll be the one in the speedo. || -Original Message- || From: Paul Baumgartel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:15 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || How about either || || a. Taking this to private email, or || b. Remembering to put "OT" or "off-topic" in the Subject line? || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Paul Baumgartel || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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How about either a. Taking this to private email, or b. Remembering to put "OT" or "off-topic" in the Subject line? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Baumgartel INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Alex, I made nothing from the last book I published. But, it was alot less complicated in execution than what Rachel had to go through. It's a wonder she's in such a good mood all the time. Yours in Data, etc... || -Original Message- || From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's || belief in the || marketability of the author, the number of pages in the || book, the selling || price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. || || It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on || how to set your || init.ora parameters -- "it depends" || || you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author || can usually get || a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the || number of books || that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes || (upwards usually) || || you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: || a bookstore for || full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book || club, domestic sales || vs foreign sales. || || Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to || split this money || up. || || Reading a royalty statement is an art. || || sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not || asking you for a || loan, my personal finances are none of your business. || || And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. || || || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 || > || >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked || several years ago || >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and || answered something || >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase || is a public || >record || >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't || use it) can get || >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - || somehow everybody || >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a || book, however || >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what || percentages you || >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You || should go || >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would || like to ask || >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask || usually what is the || >range this position is paying and usually people do not || have problem to || >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my || opinion to do self || >publishing. || > || >Alex Hillman || > || >-Original Message- || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || >Jonathan, || > || >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. || For me, the || >reasons are: || > || >1. Credibility with peers / clients || >2. Sense of accomplishment || >3. Enjoy sharing information with people || >4. Some extra cash || > || >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the || reason that I would || >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a || plus!! I certainly || >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal || finances...but could || >you || >give us some indication / range of what an author could || expect to receive || >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and || >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals || typically || >structured? || > || >Thanks, || >Ed Haskins || >Oracle DBA || >Verizon Wireless || > || > || >-Original Message- || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || >Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: || >CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) || > || >Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to || >predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the || >time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes || >it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low || >expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly || >surprised. || > || >Best regards, || > || >Jonathan Gennick || >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 || >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * || http://MetalDrums.org || > || > || >-- || >Please see the o
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Dear Rachel, Alex might not *be* coffee drinker. Don't you think it might be more polite to offer him some fine tea? Or, if the stimulant effect is what you are hoping to achieve, how about "Goddamnit, Alex, wake up and smoke the crack pipe!" - Ross p.s. If anyone is interested, I decided not to publish my thesis, because it would cost me 79$ dollars to have it microfiched. || -Original Message- || From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K || to publish his || book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition. || || and editors don't come cheap. || || Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes || on a book??? || || I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have || to be updated || about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this || is a number || Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, || given his || experience) || || So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) || for $100/hr || || 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months || || so 500*100 = $50,000 for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year || || THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!! || || Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money. || || Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT || done to get || rich. || || || || >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800 || > || >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put || up front. I || >don't || >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the || stock market. || >Also || >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not || technical). Should not || >be || >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get || much more money. || > || >Alex Hillman || > || >-Original Message- || >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM || >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > || > || >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, || they do, that's || >how my father-in-law published his book) || > || >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in || editing your || >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of || the author that || >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. || > || > || > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> || > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 || > > || > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where || you can get 33% || > >of || > >sales. || > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume || as with any || >other || > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for || promotion any way). || > > || > >Alex Hillman || > > || > >-Original Message- || > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM || > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || > > || > > || > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the || > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the || > >like.. || > > || > >hth || > >connor || > > || > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, || > > > || > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in || > > > the writing of an || > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am || > > > interested in how those of || > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or || > > > made the right || > > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary || > > > background, so I know I can do || > > > this. || > > > || > > > Jim || > > > || > > > Jim Hawkins || > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || > > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || > > > 600 Pearl Drive || > > > St. Louis, MO 633376 || > > > 9636) 474-7832 || > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) || > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) || > > > || > > > -- || > > > Please see th
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every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's belief in the marketability of the author, the number of pages in the book, the selling price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate. It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on how to set your init.ora parameters -- "it depends" you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author can usually get a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the number of books that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes (upwards usually) you get a different amount based on where the book is sold: a bookstore for full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book club, domestic sales vs foreign sales. Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to split this money up. Reading a royalty statement is an art. sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not asking you for a loan, my personal finances are none of your business. And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800 > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked several years ago >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and answered something >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase is a public >record >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't use it) can get >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - somehow everybody >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a book, however >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what percentages you >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You should go >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would like to ask >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask usually what is the >range this position is paying and usually people do not have problem to >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my opinion to do self >publishing. > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Jonathan, > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the >reasons are: > >1. Credibility with peers / clients >2. Sense of accomplishment >3. Enjoy sharing information with people >4. Some extra cash > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could >you >give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically >structured? > >Thanks, >Ed Haskins >Oracle DBA >Verizon Wireless > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: >CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) > >Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to >predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the >time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes >it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low >expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly >surprised. > >Best regards, > >Jonathan Gennick >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org > > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jonathan Gennick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Haskins, Ed > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858)
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Jim; I would love to see a book that has all you are talking about the things that DBAs love to talk about ... plus a few things that we need to talk about. I think a section on how to deal reasonably with the user community would be very helpful for DBAs just starting out. I know that we often joke and complain about the unreasonable requests and the unreasonable deadlines and the downright stupidity of some users ... but, as a DBA, you have to know how to deal with this kind of thing and STILL support them to the level that is required. Failure to act in the correct manner can lead a very technically competent DBA into the world of outcast obscurity if they do not watch it. Along with this you might add a section on Procedures (Not the Oracle Kind), Specs, and Standards. That is another item that is missing from most books. Show them a good starting point for their Standards and Procedures. Inform them that , although no one wants to be bogged down in a procedure, sometimes its all thats between you and a flood of useless code and requests. Standards are also a DBAs weapon against getting lost in a world of duplicate and hard to understand code. I , for one, have come to a new job and found that each and every one of them did their job differently . Although this promotes individuality, it makes it real difficult for a new team member to come up to speed in a reasonable time. It should also show them that Specs can be their friend. Its their armor between themselves and the users. Specs are the conduit thru which work should flow. They are also very good documentation that can be used to shield you when the user comes back and complains "But I did not ask for that !!" (of course ... when has a user ever done that !) I hope you include some real life "Scenarios from the Masses". Real life situations and their resolutions. Your basic DBA Tall Tale. And finally, A section on how/where/and when to get help. We have all delt with Oracle and their "Helpless Desk" from time to time. For me, their support has gone from Exceedingly Hot and Helpful to a dip in the Arctic Ocean and useless. What are some sources the DBA can use and When should they actually run to them instead of investigating on their own. We know how long diagnosis takes. There are certain situations now where I don't even bother to try. I simply go to the experts who let me know how to fix it. Our time is precious after all. Anyway ... just a few more suggestions for you. Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's how my father-in-law published his book) I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% >of >sales. >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any other >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the >like.. > >hth >connor > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > the writing of an > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > interested in how those of > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > made the right > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > background, so I know I can do > > this. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim Hawkins > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > 600 Pearl Drive > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > 9636) 474-7832 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > >
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Oh, that would be great! Add some tips on how to spec out a system, and I'm buying it! Diana Duncan TITAN Technology Partners One Copley Parkway, Ste 540 Morrisville, NC 27560 VM: 919.466.7337 x 316 F: 919.466.7427 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mohammed bhatti To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax to: Sent by: Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... root@fatcity. com 06/07/2001 04:39 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Rachel/Jim, Yeah, you have a good point. Their are a bunch of Oracle books out there covering everything about the database. But how about a book that's a little different that covers implementation. Right now I'm in the middle of trying to setup HA possibly using Veritas Cluster Server and looking into BCV/TimeFinder with EMC and Oracle. Sounds like this combination would cover a lot of sites. Yeah, there are a lot of Oracle books and a lot of Unix admin books, but not a lot (if any) books that tie the implementation of all these pieces together into a neat little book. I know you're probably thinking this kinda leans more towards SA type stuff but a book like this would have helped me a whole bunch right now. I also figure there are quiet a few DBAs' that do sysadmin stuff aswell and a book of this nature could be very usefull. --- Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim, > > Smart man -- you can write a book anytime, your kids > are young only once :) > > And before you think about writing that tips book -- > Oracle Press has an 8i > tips and techniques book out (I believe Douglas > Scherer is one of the > authors) > > There is really nothing new under the sun. > > Rachel > > > >From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or > not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:52:02 -0800 > > > >Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who > wrote back offline and > >through the list. Basically, here was my idea: > > > >Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I > would have nothing new to > >contribute. There is one area, however, that I see > could be explored... > > > >Here goes... > > > >"Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. > > > >I was thinking about putting all those neat little > tricks and tips I've > >learned over the last few years down in writing. > Examples would be > >everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user > without knowing their > >password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had > epiphanies where about 8 > >things all the sudden come together at once in a > moment of shining > >brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks > ago courtesy of Rachel > >herself in describing the recovery using a backup > controlfile (open-ended > >SCN). These are the things I think could be useful > - things not normally > >included in a DBA 101 book. > > > >So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things > like t
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
I don't know about that...am I the only one that finds Feuerstein's books a
bit too pithy and not "real" enough? (No disrespect intended) I've
certainly toyed with the idea of a PL/SQL book with real-life situations
and examples, especially in the use of triggers and packages for enforcing
complex and interesting business rules.
Just my $0.02
Diana Duncan
TITAN Technology Partners
One Copley Parkway, Ste 540
Morrisville, NC 27560
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Jim,
Smart man -- you can write a book anytime, your kids are young only once :)
And before you think about writing that tips book -- Oracle Press has an 8i
tips and techniques book out (I believe Douglas Scherer is one of the
authors)
There is really nothing new under the sun.
Rachel
>From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:52:02 -0800
>
>Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who wrote back offline and
>through the list. Basically, here was my idea:
>
>Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I would have nothing new to
>contribute. There is one area, however, that I see could be explored...
>
>Here goes...
>
>"Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors.
>
>I was thinking about putting all those neat little tricks and tips I've
>learned over the last few years down in writing. Examples would be
>everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user without knowing their
>password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had epiphanies where about
8
>things all the sudden come together at once in a moment of shining
>brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks ago courtesy of Rachel
>herself in describing the recovery using a backup controlfile (open-ended
>SCN). These are the things I think could be useful - things not normally
>included in a DBA 101 book.
>
>So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things like this, Jared thinks
of
>his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, and anyone else. We then
>make sure there's no overlap. We then organize these into the following 5
>sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, SQL or PL/SQL,
>Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute 10 unique tips, tricks,
>or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or Jonathan Gennick from
>O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper material, and
>voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a writing background, so this
is
>why I became interested.
>
>Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age of 4 and a wife, I also
>have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I think it would just be
>something to think about.
>
>^
>Jim Hawkins
>Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator
>MEMC Electron
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Kirti, Thanks :) One of the things I didn't mention was that the turnaround time would get tight. Author sends the chapter to me, and I have a day or maybe 2 to get it back to the author so that changes can be reviewed and incorporated and sent on to the editor. Lots of weird timestamps on some of the messages. And I got into this because Kevin Loney, Eyal Aronoff and Noorali Sonawalla (I knew all of them) asked me to do the technical edit on their Tuning book. Kevin later asked me to help with the Annotated Archives book. Then Marlene and I went to Oracle Press with the idea for the 101 series and fought to make them let us write a book that was different than anything else they had published. And let's not even discuss the "world's longest chain of emails" trying to name the book -- starting with and ending up at (eventually) Oracle DBA 101. We went all around the world just to come home :) Rachel >From: "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:07:32 -0800 > >Rachel has addressed this very well. Let me please jump in with a few >words. > > >Joining Gaja to write the Oracle Performance Tuning 101 was purely a >coincidence. First, I knew him (from this list and in person since IOUG-A >2000). Second, I volunteered to review (for free and unofficially) a few >chapters when I came to know about his book. He liked my feedback and asked >me if I would be interested in contributing to the book as a co-author. And >offered me just one chapter as a trial. That's how I got the chance to >write >something. I took over 2 days to ponder over it with my family before >finally saying 'yes' to Gaja to write more. > >As Rachel implied, it is a commitment that can get very difficult to keep >with very tight deadlines from the publishers. Almost all our book writing >was done after the end of the day at regular jobs and submissions to >various >editors were made in the wee hours of the following day! Right, Rachel ? > >Gaja mentioned to me many times during the past several months, that this >is >the first and the last book he would ever write (we shall see, if that >happens:) One thing is for sure, writing technical books will not be enough >to pay your bills. Then, why did I do it? It was an opportunity to learn >more and share what I learnt. And I enjoyed this first unexpected >opportunity to do something different. It was not for making money or to >put >on my resume (I love my current job). Would I do it again? Probably, if >the >right opportunity knocks on the door, I am ready (now that I have some >experience :) provided my family gives me a 'green light'. Just remember, >they are the ones who suffer most in your adventure! > >Regards, > >- Kirti Deshpande > Verizon Information Services >http://www.superpages.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > > > Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I >don't > > have one and I managed :) > > > > Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what > > I've > > done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 > > books. > > You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the > > same > > time technical enough. > > > > Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are >responsible > > > > for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely > > accurate. > > > > Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare > > moment or two. > > > > How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical > > edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! > > > > Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare >time. > > > > It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know >Oracle > > > > backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing >this, > > > > you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. > > > > You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have > > deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes > >
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->And let's not even discuss the "world's longest chain of emails" trying to ->name the book -- starting with and ending up at (eventually) Oracle DBA 101. ->We went all around the world just to come home :) -> ->Rachel well, i for one want to know what some of the rejects were.;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ The program is absolutely right; therefore the computer must be wrong. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Rachel/Jim, Yeah, you have a good point. Their are a bunch of Oracle books out there covering everything about the database. But how about a book that's a little different that covers implementation. Right now I'm in the middle of trying to setup HA possibly using Veritas Cluster Server and looking into BCV/TimeFinder with EMC and Oracle. Sounds like this combination would cover a lot of sites. Yeah, there are a lot of Oracle books and a lot of Unix admin books, but not a lot (if any) books that tie the implementation of all these pieces together into a neat little book. I know you're probably thinking this kinda leans more towards SA type stuff but a book like this would have helped me a whole bunch right now. I also figure there are quiet a few DBAs' that do sysadmin stuff aswell and a book of this nature could be very usefull. --- Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim, > > Smart man -- you can write a book anytime, your kids > are young only once :) > > And before you think about writing that tips book -- > Oracle Press has an 8i > tips and techniques book out (I believe Douglas > Scherer is one of the > authors) > > There is really nothing new under the sun. > > Rachel > > > >From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or > not)... > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:52:02 -0800 > > > >Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who > wrote back offline and > >through the list. Basically, here was my idea: > > > >Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I > would have nothing new to > >contribute. There is one area, however, that I see > could be explored... > > > >Here goes... > > > >"Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. > > > >I was thinking about putting all those neat little > tricks and tips I've > >learned over the last few years down in writing. > Examples would be > >everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user > without knowing their > >password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had > epiphanies where about 8 > >things all the sudden come together at once in a > moment of shining > >brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks > ago courtesy of Rachel > >herself in describing the recovery using a backup > controlfile (open-ended > >SCN). These are the things I think could be useful > - things not normally > >included in a DBA 101 book. > > > >So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things > like this, Jared thinks of > >his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, > and anyone else. We then > >make sure there's no overlap. We then organize > these into the following 5 > >sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, > SQL or PL/SQL, > >Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute > 10 unique tips, tricks, > >or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or > Jonathan Gennick from > >O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper > material, and > >voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a > writing background, so this is > >why I became interested. > > > >Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age > of 4 and a wife, I also > >have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I > think it would just be > >something to think about. > > > >^ > >Jim Hawkins > >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > >501 Pearl Drive > >St. Louis, MO 63376 > >(636) 474-7832 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) > >^ > > > >-Original Message- > >Carmichael > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Literary background is meaningless in writing a > technical book... I don't > >have one and I managed :) > > > >Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly > likely. That's what > >I've > >done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and > Gaja's Tuning 101 > >books. > > You need to be able to write to make the books > interesting and at the > >same > >time technical enough. > > > >Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, > because you are responsible > >for ensuring that the scripts and statements i
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Rachel has addressed this very well. Let me please jump in with a few words. Joining Gaja to write the Oracle Performance Tuning 101 was purely a coincidence. First, I knew him (from this list and in person since IOUG-A 2000). Second, I volunteered to review (for free and unofficially) a few chapters when I came to know about his book. He liked my feedback and asked me if I would be interested in contributing to the book as a co-author. And offered me just one chapter as a trial. That's how I got the chance to write something. I took over 2 days to ponder over it with my family before finally saying 'yes' to Gaja to write more. As Rachel implied, it is a commitment that can get very difficult to keep with very tight deadlines from the publishers. Almost all our book writing was done after the end of the day at regular jobs and submissions to various editors were made in the wee hours of the following day! Right, Rachel ? Gaja mentioned to me many times during the past several months, that this is the first and the last book he would ever write (we shall see, if that happens:) One thing is for sure, writing technical books will not be enough to pay your bills. Then, why did I do it? It was an opportunity to learn more and share what I learnt. And I enjoyed this first unexpected opportunity to do something different. It was not for making money or to put on my resume (I love my current job). Would I do it again? Probably, if the right opportunity knocks on the door, I am ready (now that I have some experience :) provided my family gives me a 'green light'. Just remember, they are the ones who suffer most in your adventure! Regards, - Kirti Deshpande Verizon Information Services http://www.superpages.com > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... > > Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I don't > have one and I managed :) > > Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what > I've > done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 > books. > You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the > same > time technical enough. > > Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are responsible > > for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely > accurate. > > Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare > moment or two. > > How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical > edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! > > Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare time. > > It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know Oracle > > backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing this, > > you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. > > You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have > deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes > the > book away (yes, they can do that). So your life disappears. > > Jim, if you really truly think you can do this stop and think again. I > > spent 6 months of no life writing 101 and this was with co-authors! Yes it > > is worth the end product but understand that while you are going through > it, > it's hell. > > As for how to get started. Oracle Press has a submission form on their > > website for people who are interested in writing a book. They really do > read > the submissions. > > Am I trying to scare you? You betcha. Because if you STILL want to do a > book > after this, then I know that you really will get it done. > > Rachel > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
In a different life, I wrote several articles for academic journals. It was a pretty brutal experience but I learned how to write a tight sentence. First, the editors returned the manuscripts for grammatical corrections. Once they were satisfied with the grammar and syntax, the article went to a peer review committee. Generally, the peer reviewers were other academics specializing in the topic of the manuscript. They too, were just as rigorous as the grammar police. My boss at the time wrote two books which were published by one of the major academic book publishers. They followed essentially the same process. Pete Barnett Oracle Database Administrator Regence BlueCross BlueShield [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Greg Moore wrote: > Jim, Check the O'Reilly web site. There is an area where they describe how > they work with authors. > > - Greg > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:29 PM > > > > All, > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how those > of > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can do > > this. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim Hawkins > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > 600 Pearl Drive > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > 9636) 474-7832 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Greg Moore > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Peter Barnett INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Jonathan, Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the reasons are: 1. Credibility with peers / clients 2. Sense of accomplishment 3. Enjoy sharing information with people 4. Some extra cash I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could you give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically structured? Thanks, Ed Haskins Oracle DBA Verizon Wireless -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly surprised. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Haskins, Ed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
oops -- change number 1 below to "which is Marlene's, which is mine and which is Jim's" although anyone who knows Jim knows exactly which chapter(s) he wrote :) >From: "Rachel Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:56:14 -0800 > >The process at Oracle Press for DBA 101 went like this: > >1). one of us would write the chapter (we broke the book out by "you write >this one, I'll write that one" -- if we did it correctly, you can't tell >which chapter is Marlene's and which is mine) > >2). the other would read and make suggestions for changes (we did our own >developmental editing ) > >3). corrections would be made and the chapter was sent to OP and the >technical editor > >4). tech editor would return the chapter with comments/changes > >5). author of the chapter would incorporate the changes requested by the >tech editor > >6). chapter would be sent to OP for copy-editing (this is the grammatical >clean up) > >7). chapter would come back from the copy editor and changes would be >accepted or rejected by the chapter author > >8). "final" version of the chapter was sent back to OP > >9). chapter would (eventually) come back as page proofs (hardcopy pictures >of what the actual printed page would look like) > >10). Page proofs were reviewed (this is blinding work as you are NOT >reading >but scanning each line of each page for things as small as lowercase when >it >should be caps, missing commas, missing spaces, code listings not lining >up, >and so on) > >11). marked up page proofs were sent to OP > >12). Because our editor at OP knew that I am totally anal about not sending >out work with errors, I'd get ANOTHER set of page proofs to review (this is >not a normal process, just mine). Believe it or not, I would sometimes >still >find errors. > >13). The book is published, by which time I am thoroughly sick of looking >at it. Except of course, that the first time you see a book you have >written >as a REAL BOOK, all the pain is forgotten. > >Now, understand that this is not a single thread process. We might be >writing one chapter, reviewing a different one for each other, checking >what >the tech editor or copy editor was doing etc. > >And while all that was going on, I was holding down a full-time DBA job >(which means >40 hours a week), presenting at conferences and trying to >find >time to sleep. > > > >>From: Peter Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:47:06 -0800 >> >>In a different life, I wrote several articles for academic journals. It >>was a pretty brutal experience but I learned how to write a tight >>sentence. >> >>First, the editors returned the manuscripts for grammatical corrections. >>Once they were satisfied with the grammar and syntax, the article went to >>a peer review committee. >> >>Generally, the peer reviewers were other academics specializing in the >>topic of the manuscript. They too, were just as rigorous as the >>grammar police. >> >>My boss at the time wrote two books which were published by one of the >>major academic book publishers. They followed essentially the same >>process. >> >> >>Pete Barnett >>Oracle Database Administrator >>Regence BlueCross BlueShield >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Greg Moore wrote: >> >> > Jim, Check the O'Reilly web site. There is an area where they >>describe >>how >> > they work with authors. >> > >> > - Greg >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:29 PM >> > >> > >> > > All, >> > > >> > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of >>an >> > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how >>those >> > of >> > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right >> > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I >>can do >> > > this. >> > > >> > > Jim >> > &g
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Jim, Smart man -- you can write a book anytime, your kids are young only once :) And before you think about writing that tips book -- Oracle Press has an 8i tips and techniques book out (I believe Douglas Scherer is one of the authors) There is really nothing new under the sun. Rachel >From: "Hawkins Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:52:02 -0800 > >Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who wrote back offline and >through the list. Basically, here was my idea: > >Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I would have nothing new to >contribute. There is one area, however, that I see could be explored... > >Here goes... > >"Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. > >I was thinking about putting all those neat little tricks and tips I've >learned over the last few years down in writing. Examples would be >everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user without knowing their >password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had epiphanies where about 8 >things all the sudden come together at once in a moment of shining >brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks ago courtesy of Rachel >herself in describing the recovery using a backup controlfile (open-ended >SCN). These are the things I think could be useful - things not normally >included in a DBA 101 book. > >So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things like this, Jared thinks of >his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, and anyone else. We then >make sure there's no overlap. We then organize these into the following 5 >sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, SQL or PL/SQL, >Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute 10 unique tips, tricks, >or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or Jonathan Gennick from >O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper material, and >voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a writing background, so this is >why I became interested. > >Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age of 4 and a wife, I also >have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I think it would just be >something to think about. > >^ >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >501 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 63376 >(636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) >^ > >-Original Message- >Carmichael >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I don't >have one and I managed :) > >Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what >I've >done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 >books. > You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the >same >time technical enough. > >Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are responsible >for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely >accurate. > >Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare >moment or two. > >How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical >edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! > >Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare time. >It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know Oracle >backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing this, >you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. > >You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have >deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes the >book away (yes, they can do that). So your life disappears. > >Jim, if you really truly think you can do this stop and think again. I >spent 6 months of no life writing 101 and this was with co-authors! Yes it >is worth the end product but understand that while you are going through >it, >it's hell. > >As for how to get started. Oracle Press has a submission form on their >website for people who are interested in writing a book. They really do >read >the submissions. > >Am I trying to scare you? You betcha. Because if you STILL want to do a >book >after this, then I know that you really will get it done. > >Rachel > > > >From: "Mohan, Ross" <[EMAIL
RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked several years ago one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and answered something like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase is a public record and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't use it) can get this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here - somehow everybody telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a book, however nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what percentages you get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc. You should go directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would like to ask somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask usually what is the range this position is paying and usually people do not have problem to answer such question. Again, it is much better in my opinion to do self publishing. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jonathan, Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a book. For me, the reasons are: 1. Credibility with peers / clients 2. Sense of accomplishment 3. Enjoy sharing information with people 4. Some extra cash I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the reason that I would consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I certainly am not interested in getting into anyone's personal finances...but could you give us some indication / range of what an author could expect to receive from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and salesability...but what's a good range? How are book deals typically structured? Thanks, Ed Haskins Oracle DBA Verizon Wireless -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly surprised. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Haskins, Ed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I don't think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. Also what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not be too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money. Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's how my father-in-law published his book) I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% >of >sales. >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any other >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the >like.. > >hth >connor > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > the writing of an > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > interested in how those of > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > made the right > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > background, so I know I can do > > this. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim Hawkins > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > 600 Pearl Drive > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > 9636) 474-7832 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > > 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information > > (like subscribing). > > >= >Connor McDonald >http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at >http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) > >"Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue" > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Hillman, Alex > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY
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I think it is a great idea. I have some tips or tricks that I could contribute. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who wrote back offline and through the list. Basically, here was my idea: Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I would have nothing new to contribute. There is one area, however, that I see could be explored... Here goes... "Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. I was thinking about putting all those neat little tricks and tips I've learned over the last few years down in writing. Examples would be everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user without knowing their password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had epiphanies where about 8 things all the sudden come together at once in a moment of shining brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks ago courtesy of Rachel herself in describing the recovery using a backup controlfile (open-ended SCN). These are the things I think could be useful - things not normally included in a DBA 101 book. So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things like this, Jared thinks of his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, and anyone else. We then make sure there's no overlap. We then organize these into the following 5 sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, SQL or PL/SQL, Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute 10 unique tips, tricks, or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or Jonathan Gennick from O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper material, and voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a writing background, so this is why I became interested. Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age of 4 and a wife, I also have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I think it would just be something to think about. ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I don't have one and I managed :) Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what I've done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 books. You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the same time technical enough. Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are responsible for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely accurate. Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare moment or two. How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare time. It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know Oracle backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing this, you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes the book away (yes, they can do that). So your life disappears. Jim, if you really truly think you can do this stop and think again. I spent 6 months of no life writing 101 and this was with co-authors! Yes it is worth the end product but understand that while you are going through it, it's hell. As for how to get started. Oracle Press has a submission form on their website for people who are interested in writing a book. They really do read the submissions. Am I trying to scare you? You betcha. Because if you STILL want to do a book after this, then I know that you really will get it done. Rachel >From: "Mohan, Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:30:46 -0800 > > Alex, > >The answer to your question is: get several certifications >and become a consultant! > >Ross > >p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply >wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact >me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few >hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in >a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > >-Original Message- >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Sent: 6/6/2001 4:58 PM > >If you do not
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Jim, It's a good idea!! Let me add this to your thoughts in progress: think of a way to make a very good index for this. Many, many technical books fall flat on their front cover when it comes to an index. So, for example (following our own Greg from this morning) if I want to figure out how to decrease PCTUSED in order to reduce cache buffer chain latching and get that all-important 0.3% performance increase and a paper at IOUG to boot, I don't know, in the chapter titles you cited whether I'd look in "SQL", "Tuning", "Miscellaneous", or "Administration". And I could make an argument why you'd find it in each. So, I hit the index. Now, in a typical Oracle Press book (this, btw, does NOT reflect on the authors, but the publisher), the typical index is something like: <> ... Oracle better than MS, 8 database, 99 ellison, 101 larry, 102 will eat IBM's lunch, 297 P Q R ROLLBACK, 9 REDO, 28 S SYSTEM tablespace, 68 T TABLE, 980 U UNDO (see ROLLBACK) <...> Well, you get the idea: there is not much effort put into them. If you want to see a KICKIN' index, check out anything tome-sized by Donald Knuth. There's a boy who understands the need for good search tools I'd also steal a page, in spirit, from J. Lewis' book. He is an extremely personable, available chap, and his anecdotes are great, and while they certainly feature him as the "guy in the cape", one doesn't get the sense he is typing with one hand and constantly patting himself on the back with the other. The technical material comes through, and nicely. Sometimes, providing an anecdote gives context no other presentation will. There's more to say, but I'll leave it there. I wish you the best of luck! - Ross p.s. nice as it was to see my name in your post, all my tricks and tips essentially come from other people. I just like cadging them from the cognoscenti i run into. Now, as to the epiphanies, wellfind someone with initials which match the first two letters in that word! || -Original Message- || From: Hawkins Family [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:52 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... || || || Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who wrote back || offline and || through the list. Basically, here was my idea: || || Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I would have || nothing new to || contribute. There is one area, however, that I see could be || explored... || || Here goes... || || "Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. || || I was thinking about putting all those neat little tricks || and tips I've || learned over the last few years down in writing. Examples would be || everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user without || knowing their || password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had || epiphanies where about 8 || things all the sudden come together at once in a moment of shining || brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks ago || courtesy of Rachel || herself in describing the recovery using a backup || controlfile (open-ended || SCN). These are the things I think could be useful - things || not normally || included in a DBA 101 book. || || So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things like this, || Jared thinks of || his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, and anyone || else. We then || make sure there's no overlap. We then organize these into || the following 5 || sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, SQL or PL/SQL, || Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute 10 unique || tips, tricks, || or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or Jonathan || Gennick from || O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper material, and || voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a writing || background, so this is || why I became interested. || || Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age of 4 and a || wife, I also || have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I think it || would just be || something to think about. || || ^ || Jim Hawkins || Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator || MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. || 501 Pearl Drive || St. Louis, MO 63376 || (636) 474-7832 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) || ^ || || -Original Message- || Carmichael || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical || book... I don't || have one and I managed :) || || Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hard
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Jonathan, You had nice editors... letting you slip 6 months on the deadline. When I talked about giving up your life, I was talking about a much shorter writing schedule. We took from March (when we signed the contract) until the middle of September (when we sent in the "first draft" of the last chapter due). We still had page proofs and editing to review past that, and the book was officially published in November. I know of one book that was cancelled due to slipped deadlines, but they had slipped further than yours did. Yes, editors will try to work with you on it. Rachel >From: Jonathan Gennick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:26:01 -0800 > >I blundered into writing. A few years back, an editor saw >some of my newsgroup posts, and shot off an email asking me >to write a book. At first I thought it was one of these >spam-type, "work at home", "get rich quick", etc. emails, >and I actually deleted it. Two days later, I dug it out of >my trash, and decided to at least give the supposed editor a >call. She turned out to be real, and to this day I'm really, >really glad that I didn't empty my trash during those >intervening two days. > >Most of what Rachel says is correct. Writing a book takes a >lot of work, and that work consumes a lot of time. After my >first book, I swore I'd never do another. However, I had been >"bitten" by the bug, and I've worked on several since then. > >If you have a book idea, you can work up a proposal and send >it to a publisher. If you're interested in writing for >O'Reilly, you can read our proposal guidelines at >http://oreilly.com/oreilly/author/intro.html. If you just >want to query us to see if we're interested in an idea, you >can do that too. The general email address is >[EMAIL PROTECTED], but you can also email the oracle >editors directly: Debby Russell = [EMAIL PROTECTED], me = >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >You do need to be able to write reasonably well. In my own >experience (as an editor), I've found good organization >skills to be somewhat more important than good writing >skills. It's much easier for me to deal fixing bad sentences >than it is for me to deal with an author who can't seem to >organize material in any rational fashion. I'm currently >working with an author from Slovenia whose English is not >too good (understandable), but whose organization is supurb. > >One area in which I somewhat disagree with Rachel is in the >idea that writing must consume you for a period of time. >It's actually, very important to prevent that from >happening, otherwise you'll get burned out, and you'll >resent ever having written a book in the first place. You >can work full-time and write part time. When you do that, >you have to treat the book as a part-time job. You have to >come up with some schedule that works, and do your best to >keep to it. That generally means a lot of evenings spent >writing as opposed to playing with your kids--it takes >discipline to stay inside and write on a nice summer's >evening. At the same time, you need to block out some time >to spend with your family. What works for me is that I never >take more than one day on a weekend to write. The other day >I spend w/my family. I also take off at least one evening in >the middle of the week. > >It is true that a publisher can cancel your book if you fall >badly behind, but my experience is that you will need to >fall very badly behind for that to happen. My first real >success was my SQL*Plus book. I promised that book in five >months, and it took me eleven to write it. At no time did >O'Reilly ever threaten to cancel. > >Best regards, > >Jonathan Gennick >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org > > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jonathan Gennick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribin
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self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's how my father-in-law published his book) I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book. >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800 > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% >of >sales. >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any other >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). > >Alex Hillman > >-Original Message- >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the >like.. > >hth >connor > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > > the writing of an > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > > interested in how those of > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > > made the right > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > > background, so I know I can do > > this. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim Hawkins > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > 600 Pearl Drive > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > 9636) 474-7832 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > > 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information > > (like subscribing). > > >= >Connor McDonald >http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at >http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) > >"Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue" > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Hillman, Alex > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33% of sales. If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any other publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way). Alex Hillman -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the 'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the like.. hth connor --- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > the writing of an > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > interested in how those of > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > made the right > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > background, so I know I can do > this. > > Jim > > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) "Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue" Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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The process at Oracle Press for DBA 101 went like this: 1). one of us would write the chapter (we broke the book out by "you write this one, I'll write that one" -- if we did it correctly, you can't tell which chapter is Marlene's and which is mine) 2). the other would read and make suggestions for changes (we did our own developmental editing ) 3). corrections would be made and the chapter was sent to OP and the technical editor 4). tech editor would return the chapter with comments/changes 5). author of the chapter would incorporate the changes requested by the tech editor 6). chapter would be sent to OP for copy-editing (this is the grammatical clean up) 7). chapter would come back from the copy editor and changes would be accepted or rejected by the chapter author 8). "final" version of the chapter was sent back to OP 9). chapter would (eventually) come back as page proofs (hardcopy pictures of what the actual printed page would look like) 10). Page proofs were reviewed (this is blinding work as you are NOT reading but scanning each line of each page for things as small as lowercase when it should be caps, missing commas, missing spaces, code listings not lining up, and so on) 11). marked up page proofs were sent to OP 12). Because our editor at OP knew that I am totally anal about not sending out work with errors, I'd get ANOTHER set of page proofs to review (this is not a normal process, just mine). Believe it or not, I would sometimes still find errors. 13). The book is published, by which time I am thoroughly sick of looking at it. Except of course, that the first time you see a book you have written as a REAL BOOK, all the pain is forgotten. Now, understand that this is not a single thread process. We might be writing one chapter, reviewing a different one for each other, checking what the tech editor or copy editor was doing etc. And while all that was going on, I was holding down a full-time DBA job (which means >40 hours a week), presenting at conferences and trying to find time to sleep. >From: Peter Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:47:06 -0800 > >In a different life, I wrote several articles for academic journals. It >was a pretty brutal experience but I learned how to write a tight >sentence. > >First, the editors returned the manuscripts for grammatical corrections. >Once they were satisfied with the grammar and syntax, the article went to >a peer review committee. > >Generally, the peer reviewers were other academics specializing in the >topic of the manuscript. They too, were just as rigorous as the >grammar police. > >My boss at the time wrote two books which were published by one of the >major academic book publishers. They followed essentially the same >process. > > >Pete Barnett >Oracle Database Administrator >Regence BlueCross BlueShield >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Greg Moore wrote: > > > Jim, Check the O'Reilly web site. There is an area where they describe >how > > they work with authors. > > > > - Greg > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:29 PM > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how >those > > of > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right > > > connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I >can do > > > this. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim Hawkins > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > > > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > > > 600 Pearl Drive > > > St. Louis, MO 633376 > > > 9636) 474-7832 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: Jim Hawkins > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of
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Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote: CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :) Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly surprised. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I blundered into writing. A few years back, an editor saw some of my newsgroup posts, and shot off an email asking me to write a book. At first I thought it was one of these spam-type, "work at home", "get rich quick", etc. emails, and I actually deleted it. Two days later, I dug it out of my trash, and decided to at least give the supposed editor a call. She turned out to be real, and to this day I'm really, really glad that I didn't empty my trash during those intervening two days. Most of what Rachel says is correct. Writing a book takes a lot of work, and that work consumes a lot of time. After my first book, I swore I'd never do another. However, I had been "bitten" by the bug, and I've worked on several since then. If you have a book idea, you can work up a proposal and send it to a publisher. If you're interested in writing for O'Reilly, you can read our proposal guidelines at http://oreilly.com/oreilly/author/intro.html. If you just want to query us to see if we're interested in an idea, you can do that too. The general email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but you can also email the oracle editors directly: Debby Russell = [EMAIL PROTECTED], me = [EMAIL PROTECTED] You do need to be able to write reasonably well. In my own experience (as an editor), I've found good organization skills to be somewhat more important than good writing skills. It's much easier for me to deal fixing bad sentences than it is for me to deal with an author who can't seem to organize material in any rational fashion. I'm currently working with an author from Slovenia whose English is not too good (understandable), but whose organization is supurb. One area in which I somewhat disagree with Rachel is in the idea that writing must consume you for a period of time. It's actually, very important to prevent that from happening, otherwise you'll get burned out, and you'll resent ever having written a book in the first place. You can work full-time and write part time. When you do that, you have to treat the book as a part-time job. You have to come up with some schedule that works, and do your best to keep to it. That generally means a lot of evenings spent writing as opposed to playing with your kids--it takes discipline to stay inside and write on a nice summer's evening. At the same time, you need to block out some time to spend with your family. What works for me is that I never take more than one day on a weekend to write. The other day I spend w/my family. I also take off at least one evening in the middle of the week. It is true that a publisher can cancel your book if you fall badly behind, but my experience is that you will need to fall very badly behind for that to happen. My first real success was my SQL*Plus book. I promised that book in five months, and it took me eleven to write it. At no time did O'Reilly ever threaten to cancel. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Thanks for the reply, Rachel, and all others who wrote back offline and through the list. Basically, here was my idea: Most DBA topics have been beaten to death, and I would have nothing new to contribute. There is one area, however, that I see could be explored... Here goes... "Tips, Tricks, and Epiphanies" by various authors. I was thinking about putting all those neat little tricks and tips I've learned over the last few years down in writing. Examples would be everything from dynamic SQL to connecting as a user without knowing their password via the encrypted string. Also, I've had epiphanies where about 8 things all the sudden come together at once in a moment of shining brilliance. One such thing happened a few weeks ago courtesy of Rachel herself in describing the recovery using a backup controlfile (open-ended SCN). These are the things I think could be useful - things not normally included in a DBA 101 book. So here's what we do: I think of 5 or 10 things like this, Jared thinks of his, Rachel of hers, Ross of his, April of hers, and anyone else. We then make sure there's no overlap. We then organize these into the following 5 sections: Administration, Backup/Recover, Tuning, SQL or PL/SQL, Miscellaneous. If we get 10 experts to contribute 10 unique tips, tricks, or epiphanies, then we have a book. Someone (me or Jonathan Gennick from O'Reilly) compiles them all and writes some wrapper material, and voila!a book! Easy, right? I do have a writing background, so this is why I became interested. Having said all this, having 3 kids under the age of 4 and a wife, I also have taken what Rachel said to heart. Right now, I think it would just be something to think about. ^ Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 501 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 63376 (636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) ^ -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I don't have one and I managed :) Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what I've done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 books. You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the same time technical enough. Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are responsible for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely accurate. Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare moment or two. How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare time. It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know Oracle backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing this, you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes the book away (yes, they can do that). So your life disappears. Jim, if you really truly think you can do this stop and think again. I spent 6 months of no life writing 101 and this was with co-authors! Yes it is worth the end product but understand that while you are going through it, it's hell. As for how to get started. Oracle Press has a submission form on their website for people who are interested in writing a book. They really do read the submissions. Am I trying to scare you? You betcha. Because if you STILL want to do a book after this, then I know that you really will get it done. Rachel >From: "Mohan, Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:30:46 -0800 > > Alex, > >The answer to your question is: get several certifications >and become a consultant! > >Ross > >p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply >wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact >me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few >hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in >a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > >-Original Message- >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Sent: 6/6/2001 4:58 PM > >If you do not know Oracle you will get from technical editor. If you >cannot >write - there is a development editor available. The problem is - what >if >one don't know Oracle and cannot
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001,Joseph S. Testa scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Hey, i resemble that remark, damn, i wasnt supposed to tell anyone i was ->certified. -> ->I'm going to indulge in hostess snack cakes as a punishment. -> ->joe have them with some nice single malt.;-) me i'm certifiable but not certified.;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ I am still waiting for the advent of the computer science groupie. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Jim, Check the O'Reilly web site. There is an area where they describe how they work with authors. - Greg - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:29 PM > All, > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how those of > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right > connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can do > this. > > Jim > > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Greg Moore INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Literary background is meaningless in writing a technical book... I don't have one and I managed :) Developmental editor if you can't write? Not hardly likely. That's what I've done on both Marlene Theriault's Networking 101 and Gaja's Tuning 101 books. You need to be able to write to make the books interesting and at the same time technical enough. Technical editor has to know Oracle very well, because you are responsible for ensuring that the scripts and statements in the book are absolutely accurate. Neither is a trivial job. Nor are they ones that can be done in a spare moment or two. How did I get started? I was asked by people I knew to do the technical edit on a book. Do I recommend that you do this? NO! Understand that writing a book is NOT something you do in your spare time. It does not matter how well you think you can write, or if you know Oracle backwards and forwards. You have a full-time job while you are doing this, you have (one hopes) a life that you want to keep as well. You can't slack off on the job, that's what pays the bills. You have deadlines to meet. You can't slack off on those, or the publisher takes the book away (yes, they can do that). So your life disappears. Jim, if you really truly think you can do this stop and think again. I spent 6 months of no life writing 101 and this was with co-authors! Yes it is worth the end product but understand that while you are going through it, it's hell. As for how to get started. Oracle Press has a submission form on their website for people who are interested in writing a book. They really do read the submissions. Am I trying to scare you? You betcha. Because if you STILL want to do a book after this, then I know that you really will get it done. Rachel >From: "Mohan, Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)... >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:30:46 -0800 > > Alex, > >The answer to your question is: get several certifications >and become a consultant! > >Ross > >p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply >wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact >me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few >hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in >a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > >-Original Message- >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Sent: 6/6/2001 4:58 PM > >If you do not know Oracle you will get from technical editor. If you >cannot >write - there is a development editor available. The problem is - what >if >one don't know Oracle and cannot write. > >Alex Hillman > >PS. This has nothing to do with Jim > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:30 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >All, > >I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an >Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how >those of > >you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right >connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can >do >this. > >Jim > >Jim Hawkins >Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator >MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. >600 Pearl Drive >St. Louis, MO 633376 >9636) 474-7832 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Hillman, Alex > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to
Re: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the 'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the like.. hth connor --- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in > the writing of an > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am > interested in how those of > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or > made the right > connections. I do have a somewhat literary > background, so I know I can do > this. > > Jim > > Jim Hawkins > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator > MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. > 600 Pearl Drive > St. Louis, MO 633376 > 9636) 474-7832 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jim Hawkins > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) "Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue" Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
Joe, I can tell by your 'devil may care', 'will o' the wisp', 'ne'er do well' response that you are *not* deeply offended. Congratulations. Eric will be delivering a full Barbie set to your home shortly. - Ross p.s. I had three doughnuts in a row the other day, and let the sugar and chocolate remain caked around my face for hours before cleaning it off. With my tongue. Now, I know the joys my two year old son seems so familiar with. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 11:05 PM Hey, i resemble that remark, damn, i wasnt supposed to tell anyone i was certified. I'm going to indulge in hostess snack cakes as a punishment. joe "Mohan, Ross" wrote: > > Alex, > > The answer to your question is: get several certifications > and become a consultant! > > Ross > > p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply > wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact > me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few > hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in > a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > -- Joe Testa Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hey, i resemble that remark, damn, i wasnt supposed to tell anyone i was certified. I'm going to indulge in hostess snack cakes as a punishment. joe "Mohan, Ross" wrote: > > Alex, > > The answer to your question is: get several certifications > and become a consultant! > > Ross > > p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply > wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact > me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few > hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in > a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. > -- Joe Testa Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Alex, The answer to your question is: get several certifications and become a consultant! Ross p.s. anyone certified (or certifiable) who is deeply wounded by this senseless attack is encouraged to contact me offlist, where I will supply a heartfelt apology, a few hugs, and an autographed picture of my Hannibal Lecter in a speedo with a ponytail impersonation. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 4:58 PM If you do not know Oracle you will get from technical editor. If you cannot write - there is a development editor available. The problem is - what if one don't know Oracle and cannot write. Alex Hillman PS. This has nothing to do with Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L All, I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how those of you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can do this. Jim Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hillman, Alex INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
I am thinking seriously along the same lines, but narrower, more directed at Materialized views and things connected (dimensions, cubes...etc) so if I could get similar information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo TX -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L All, I am very interested in collaborating with others in the writing of an Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter). I am interested in how those of you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or made the right connections. I do have a somewhat literary background, so I know I can do this. Jim Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
