Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments." -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Lisa: I know you are disappointed, but be happy you have a job. I was laid off a year ago and the job situation here in the TC's area is not improving. I'll trade places with you any day. Ken Janusz, CPIM Hugo, MN - Original Message - From: Koivu, Lisa To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
One advantage of database architect is that he is less dependent on a specific database. I am some kind of system architect/analyst and in my previous job I worked with Oracle products as well as with some Open source ones. Now my new company is working only with M$ SQL Server and I don't have any big problems. And they even are looking in the Oracle direction for the first time ever and of course I'm strongly supporting that :) Gints -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gints Plivna INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Lisa - You can always answer questions on this list to keep your hand in. I wouldn't sweat it too much. I agree with you that the harder skills like Oracle show up better on a resume. But frankly you can still put Oracle on your resume for a LNG time and be perfectly truthful. And if they want to discuss it in more detail, then you'll have a ready response prepared. In the current economic climate the smart idea is to take what you can get and be glad. Personally I take each job assignment as a challenge to learn what I can. In a year you will either a) decide you love the new position b) be reassigned c) find a better DBA position because the economy will have perked up. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax:954-935-3639 Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments." -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Message
Ken:
My
sympathies go out to you too, I spent the time from 04/01 until 12/01 unemployed
as well. Tough way to go in any market, try one in a small (30K population)
market that is 90+% dependent on a small state's government for work. I'm
very thankful to be working yet (contract could end any
day).
(Arise
to soapbox)
And yes Lisa, I am considered by many around here to be more
of a Data Architect than a DBA (which I must say irritates me quite a
bit) since I have designed (from first cut E/R design through physical
implementations in DEV, TEST and PROD) from ground zero more than 10
different systems in the last 7 years. I do try to keep my hand in the tuning
and administration of the systems until they are turned over to clients for
operational support. I want to get a production support type contract in the
future to further enhance my skills, but whatever it takes to keep the mortgage
paid.
(Step
down and don flame proof clothing)
Rick
Weiss
-Original
Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:04To: Multiple
recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Skill Sets - This may be a
dumb question
Lisa:
I know you are disappointed, but be happy you have a
job. I was laid off a year ago and the job situation here in the TC's
area is not improving. I'll trade places with you any day.
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Hugo, MN
- Original Message -
From:
Koivu, Lisa
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:34
AM
Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a
dumb question
Hello everyone,
Well I've been "reassigned". I was
responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment
but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband
and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to
be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The
new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary
job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design,
moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server
database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My
new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ??
What? They have already decided what they want done and just want
someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic
deadlines.
The main reason why I am upset is because it
seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned
about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle
environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data
modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff
up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle,
Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers
search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with.
Am I wrong? This job pays well and working
for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy
similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this
market I am just lucky to have a job.
And please tell me if I'm whining. I may
just need a KITA. Who knows anymore...
Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield
Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek
Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
33063 Office: 954-935-4117
Fax:
954-935-3639 Cell:
954-683-4459
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Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its
attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading
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other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or
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RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Message Don't you just HATE change. You were getting all nice and comfy in your current job, and mgmt throws you a curve ball. This has happened to me a few times, and I have learned to "step into their shoes" to try and better understand why. Why me!!!?!? Not that I ever agreed with their decision. And I hated having to train these naive people on how to take care of MY databases. But I do believe that having X amount of time data modeling helps to broaden your DB skills, and pushes you up in the ranks to the more senior levels. And I would have a hard time believing that putting the words Database Archictect on your resume is such a bad thing. After all, when a DBA gets promoted what would they become? CIO? CEO? God? Gasp!!! Senior Perl Developer? (Jared?) Hopefully, you can work your boss and get some cash out of this. Congrats on your promotion! And having a job... -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Simple, eliminate the married couple. Then you should have your pick of jobs. Dave -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:34 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Go check one of the on-line salary surveys. Used to be that Oracle DBA was
head of the pack. Now it's data architect and web designer. The only
reason that it seems like a "soft" skill to you is because you're so good
at it that it's second nature. Leave a regular L'User alone to do their
own data architecture and see what they come up with. "Data Architect"
does spiff up your resume.
"Koivu, Lisa"
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Hello everyone,
Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed
up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it
was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the
same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this
environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't
know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data
modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er,
Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the
admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as
"database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they
want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement
them with unrealistic deadlines.
The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling
is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date
and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not.
Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a
new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list
of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is
more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with.
Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's
benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described
in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a
job.
And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows
anymore...
Lisa Koivu
Oracle Drink Beer Again
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
Office: 954-935-4117
Fax:954-935-3639
Cell:954-683-4459
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RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Lisa, I'm sorry for selfish reasons. I liked having someone else on a Peoplesoft/Oracle/AIX environment out there. As far as the new position, just change your job title to Data Architect (what does that do to your tag lines?) Henry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Koivu, LisaSent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Lisa, You are correct in your needing a vent or "whining" as you so eloquently put it. Corporate policy can and has ruined a great career if you are not prepared for the unforseen changes that the bean counters produce. Not knowing the knowledge level of your spouse and not wanting to start a family feud, Is the best person for the task assigned to the proper task? Perhaps there can be a compromise made and you can alternate positions periodically to give both of you additional knowledge. That way there would be a win-win situation.(I can't believe I used a corporate buzz word, Sorry just my past sneaking out). If the new position can be in fact a complete solution where suggestions are accepted and considered then perhaps you can point out the pluses of using Oracle for the data-mart. Then you can be in complete control from start to finish and keep your Oracle skill set up with the market. It is a tough time in the Oracle DBA market place. The published job listings have decreased drastically in the past 2 years. There still are openings out there but I feel that they are more prominent in the "networking" job listings rather than a head hunter or internet job search. I know that it would be an inconvenience to start a new job search now with the economy in question and the recent family increase, but IF you are dissatisfied with the current situation and you have thought it out completely and have complete agreement with your spouse, then I wish you good fortune and good luck. Ron >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/03 11:34AM >>> Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax:954-935-3639 Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spe
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Lisa, here is a link that you may find useful. It is geared for data design and datawarehouse/datamart design. I have found it useful. http://www.dmreview.com/ Dave -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, You are correct in your needing a vent or "whining" as you so eloquently put it. Corporate policy can and has ruined a great career if you are not prepared for the unforseen changes that the bean counters produce. Not knowing the knowledge level of your spouse and not wanting to start a family feud, Is the best person for the task assigned to the proper task? Perhaps there can be a compromise made and you can alternate positions periodically to give both of you additional knowledge. That way there would be a win-win situation.(I can't believe I used a corporate buzz word, Sorry just my past sneaking out). If the new position can be in fact a complete solution where suggestions are accepted and considered then perhaps you can point out the pluses of using Oracle for the data-mart. Then you can be in complete control from start to finish and keep your Oracle skill set up with the market. It is a tough time in the Oracle DBA market place. The published job listings have decreased drastically in the past 2 years. There still are openings out there but I feel that they are more prominent in the "networking" job listings rather than a head hunter or internet job search. I know that it would be an inconvenience to start a new job search now with the economy in question and the recent family increase, but IF you are dissatisfied with the current situation and you have thought it out completely and have complete agreement with your spouse, then I wish you good fortune and good luck. Ron >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/03 11:34AM >>> Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax:954-935-3639 Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
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Lisa, Oracle DBA's make good designers as they know the ins and outs of what first makes a healty database. And that is good data thats easy to query and stored properly. I know DBAs appreciate having ERD's and complete schema creation scripts. The fact that you have DBA skills means you won't create a fetid steaming pile that someone else has to deal with. That is worth a lot to a company... Good luck Brad O. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax:954-935-3639 Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Bureaucracies don't like husbands and wives to be in the same department because there's a greater chance for collusion with the notion is that it's easier for two people to steal something when they are working together. So... because they don't trust them you have to adjust? Sounds very Dilbertian. I'd whine too but it may be better to lay low and wait just in case things blow up. In the meantime you can fantasize about the satisfaction you'll feel after you come to the rescue and say "I told you so." ;-) Apologies... -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:34 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."
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Hi Ron, Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not me and my husband they are separating. They are separating a husband and wife that both work in a different office than me. My husband works for the same company too but he is a bean counter in a completely separate dept. After initially being very upset, I've changed my attitude and am "keeping all my options open". In the mean time I am trying to be a good citizen and hand over all the knowledge and info I've collected about the environment to the person now "in charge". I'm answering all her Unix questions and giving her my unix books. I also still sign in and check things out every am. Thanks Ron. Have a great afternoon. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, You are correct in your needing a vent or "whining" as you so eloquently put it. Corporate policy can and has ruined a great career if you are not prepared for the unforseen changes that the bean counters produce. Not knowing the knowledge level of your spouse and not wanting to start a family feud, Is the best person for the task assigned to the proper task? Perhaps there can be a compromise made and you can alternate positions periodically to give both of you additional knowledge. That way there would be a win-win situation.(I can't believe I used a corporate buzz word, Sorry just my past sneaking out). If the new position can be in fact a complete solution where suggestions are accepted and considered then perhaps you can point out the pluses of using Oracle for the data-mart. Then you can be in complete control from start to finish and keep your Oracle skill set up with the market. It is a tough time in the Oracle DBA market place. The published job listings have decreased drastically in the past 2 years. There still are openings out there but I feel that they are more prominent in the "networking" job listings rather than a head hunter or internet job search. I know that it would be an inconvenience to start a new job search now with the economy in question and the recent family increase, but IF you are dissatisfied with the current situation and you have thought it out completely and have complete agreement with your spouse, then I wish you good fortune and good luck. Ron >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/03 11:34AM >>> Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax:954-935-3639 Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --
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Title: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Lisa, Do you like the job? Do you think it has a future? Will it give you time with your husband and new baby? If you answer yes to 3, than it's a good job. Don't worry about your skill sets, if you are flexable that will count for alot. Ruth - Original Message - From: Koivu, Lisa To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Lisa You owe it to yourself to spend a few hours per day mulling over the DW stuff at www.ralphkimball.com. I still learn something every week, and it is not DB specific. BTW, data architect is not that bad, some would even call it a promotion. When you travel the world going to customer's sites fixing up one mess after the next, and see how many DBB's pass themselves off as DBA's, sometimes you do not want to be called a DBA (at least not at THAT site), lest you are grouped in the same skill category. The way to increase your earning power, is to specialize. Ask Mogen, Cary, Jonathan, Jared or any of the greats on this list and they will all tell you that. These days, any DBB can point and click. I got my son ( 9 years old) to install Oracle on his home PC and create a database (of course I was standing behind him to ensure he did nothing daft). Cheers: Ferenc Mantfeld Dreaming costs you nothing. Not dreaming costs you everything. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:29 AM > Lisa, here is a link that you may find useful. It is geared for data design and datawarehouse/datamart design. I have found it useful. > > http://www.dmreview.com/ > > Dave > > -Original Message- > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Lisa, > You are correct in your needing a vent or "whining" as you so > eloquently put it. Corporate policy can and has ruined a great career if > you are not prepared for the unforseen changes that the bean counters > produce. > Not knowing the knowledge level of your spouse and not wanting to > start a family feud, Is the best person for the task assigned to the > proper task? Perhaps there can be a compromise made and you can > alternate positions periodically to give both of you additional > knowledge. That way there would be a win-win situation.(I can't believe > I used a corporate buzz word, Sorry just my past sneaking out). > If the new position can be in fact a complete solution where > suggestions are accepted and considered then perhaps you can point out > the pluses of using Oracle for the data-mart. Then you can be in > complete control from start to finish and keep your Oracle skill set up > with the market. > It is a tough time in the Oracle DBA market place. The published job > listings have decreased drastically in the past 2 years. There still are > openings out there but I feel that they are more prominent in the > "networking" job listings rather than a head hunter or internet job > search. I know that it would be an inconvenience to start a new job > search now with the economy in question and the recent family increase, > but IF you are dissatisfied with the current situation and you have > thought it out completely and have complete agreement with your spouse, > then I wish you good fortune and good luck. > Ron > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/03 11:34AM >>> > > Hello everyone, > Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely > messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided > that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work > in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support > in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is > primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now > suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on > into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server > database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new > boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have > already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the > pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. > The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data > modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills > up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a > mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that > can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that > having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, > Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what > HR depts can easily deal with. > Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's > benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is > described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just > lucky to have a job. > And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows > anymore... > Lisa Koivu > Oracle Drink Beer Again > Fairfield Resorts, Inc. > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 > Office: 954-935-4117 > Fax:954-935-3639 > Cell:954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any > attachments were fre
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We are
told pretty often by management that DBA's are 'dime a dozen' and we need to be
more than 'just DBA's' to keep our jobs. On the other hand we are hiring
contractors that know Peoplesoft Admin and paying them big bucks.
Same with Data Warehouse people. They are in demand. I am afraid
repetative technical skills are on their way to being farmed out to outside
contract companies that just 'keep the lights on'. You may be better off
in the new position.
-Original Message-From: Ruth Gramolini
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25,
2003 1:59 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb
question
Lisa,
Do you like the job? Do you think it has a
future? Will it give you time with your husband and new baby? If
you answer yes to 3, than it's a good job. Don't worry about your skill
sets, if you are flexable that will count for alot.
Ruth
- Original Message -
From:
Koivu, Lisa
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34
AM
Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a
dumb question
Hello everyone,
Well I've been "reassigned". I was
responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment
but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband
and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to
be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The
new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary
job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design,
moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server
database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My
new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ??
What? They have already decided what they want done and just want
someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic
deadlines.
The main reason why I am upset is because it
seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned
about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle
environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data
modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff
up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle,
Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers
search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with.
Am I wrong? This job pays well and working
for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy
similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this
market I am just lucky to have a job.
And please tell me if I'm whining. I may
just need a KITA. Who knows anymore...
Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield
Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek
Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
33063 Office: 954-935-4117
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