RE:[Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split]
I vote for email... IMHO, If you work for a company that doesn't have email and a POP or IMAP server then perhaps you should work on that instead. If it does you should be using your work email address, rather than a personal domain, if your Orion use is work related. It looks like you're running your polozoff.com mail server off an ATT DSL connection; consider using procmail or something similar to forward a copy of orion-interest mail to your work email address. Configuring and running a news server (been there) isn't as easy as it might seem, particularly if you're concerned about security, the periodic news DOS attacks, spam, etc. If the newsgroup is publicly fed, or the spammers stumble across the server (they will), you're broadcasting all our addresses out to the spammer community. Besides, the Orion team's resources would be much better spent on documentation. Otherwise they're going to fail and this list won't matter anyway. Kirk BTW, ejb-interest seems to have died after some clueless idiot started resending the last couple month's posts back to the list. At 10:01 AM 10/19/00 -0500, you wrote: I don't agree. A newsgroup is a better way of categorizing topics. If you don't believe me take a look at the Weblogic and Toplink newsgroups. Mailing lists are good for simple discussions. Filtering emails is not a reasonable solution for topical categorization of messages. Especially if you have to use a web based email client at work (because of a firewall) and have a stand alone client at home. Whereas a newsgroup always contains a set hierarchy, whether you access from deja.com or a stand alone client. -Alexandre On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:53:00 +0200 Robert Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Could not agree more. don't any of you subscribe to other tech lists? I'm surprised that there are people using orion that are not subscribed to ejb-interest (excellent list and a must for people working with ejb professionally IMHO) which has at least as much traffic as this one here. Please learn how to use a mail client with filters and let's deal with a high volume as soon as there is something to deal with and let's not start a religious war on newgroup vs. mailingl ist (I'm pro mailing list btw ;-)). the negative side effects (people not knowing where to look, crossposting etc.) would clearly outweight the benefits of splitting up the list IMHO. robert At 19:21 18.10.00 , you wrote: IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many messages for your inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail clients will handle this. snip -- David S. Kenzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://mp3.com/text Joseph B. Ottinger said... It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might snip -Original Message- From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. Good idea. snip --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (-) Robert Krüger Kirk Yarina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:[Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split]
At 07:03 PM 10/19/00 +0200, you wrote: At 12:23 19.10.00 , you wrote: snip/ BTW, ejb-interest seems to have died after some clueless idiot started resending the last couple month's posts back to the list. unbelievable It may not be cause and effect... or it may be somebody at Sun's gotten disgusted and turned it off for a while. At least it's cut down on the "Urgent: I installed weblogic and it doesn't work" emails. (-) Robert Krüger
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. Good idea. However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting the list into a few other lists. Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the automatic ordering of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I can see a root message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. What's so wrong with that? Probably the most obvious split is between developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and install it. Like I said - 2 news groups.
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database related, if possible. -Original Message- From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. Good idea. However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting the list into a few other lists. Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the automatic ordering of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I can see a root message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. What's so wrong with that? Probably the most obvious split is between developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and install it. Like I said - 2 news groups. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many messages for your inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail clients will handle this. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, nor am the only one who belongs to many other special-interest lists, all delivered via email and filtered. I belong to roughly 40 or so development lists, some of which average 40-50 messages a day. They happily get filtered away into their own folders. (In fact, I just archived my Postfix users list from the past year-- 14,000+ messages.) If the list does need to be split, it should be split by the Orion folks as they deem necessary. Please realize however, when talking about splitting the list into different development disciplines, that is no longer Orion specific, it now becomes a Java app development list-- which there are already many. If someone volunteers to setup a web-based "message board" or a separate NNTP server, then that is their perogative. But I do believe that not keeping the product support channels centralized will not only confuse the new users of Orion, but also be the cause of frustration trying to find out which method of support is actually productive. Thanks for listening. -- David S. Kenzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://mp3.com/text Joseph B. Ottinger said... It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database related, if possible. -Original Message- From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. Good idea. However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting the list into a few other lists. Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the automatic ordering of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I can see a root message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. What's so wrong with that? Probably the most obvious split is between developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and install it. Like I said - 2 news groups. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
2 many messages - News Server needed.
Hi Folks, I have not picked up my email for 2 days and have just downloaded 108 Orion-Interest messages. Imagine what would have happened if I had left this job until Friday. I think it is time to turn this thing into a news group. It would also make it easier to see,follow, save contribute to separate threads. In fact I cannot see a reason not to do this. Maybe you can. --Miles DaffinJava DeveloperHOT Company BV Mathernesserlaan 171 3014 HA Rotterdam Land: +31 (0) 10 476 2500Fax: +31 (0) 10 476 5762Mobile: +31 (0) 2959 1423http://www.hotobjects.nl
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split thelist
Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting the list into a few other lists. Probably the most obvious split is between developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and install it. Jim --On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:58 PM +0200 Miles Daffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, I have not picked up my email for 2 days and have just downloaded 108 Orion-Interest messages. Imagine what would have happened if I had left this job until Friday. I think it is time to turn this thing into a news group. It would also make it easier to see, follow, save contribute to separate threads. In fact I cannot see a reason not to do this. Maybe you can. -- Miles Daffin Java Developer HOT Company BV Mathernesserlaan 171 3014 HA Rotterdam Land: +31 (0) 10 476 2500 Fax: +31 (0) 10 476 5762 Mobile: +31 (0) 2959 1423 http://www.hotobjects.nl
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed.
Hear hear - I just signed on to the list, and while I am almost insatiably hungryfor information on this spiffy product, the list needs to be split, newsgrouped, or moved to a threaded discussion board to be more useful. Maybe orionsupport.com would be the place for this? Colin -Original Message-From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:58 AMTo: Orion-InterestCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 2 many messages - News Server needed. Hi Folks, I have not picked up my email for 2 days and have just downloaded 108 Orion-Interest messages. Imagine what would have happened if I had left this job until Friday. I think it is time to turn this thing into a news group. It would also make it easier to see,follow, save contribute to separate threads. In fact I cannot see a reason not to do this. Maybe you can. --Miles DaffinJava DeveloperHOT Company BV Mathernesserlaan 171 3014 HA Rotterdam Land: +31 (0) 10 476 2500Fax: +31 (0) 10 476 5762Mobile: +31 (0) 2959 1423http://www.hotobjects.nl
