Reg: Does any one has the BenchMarks of OC4J with Application Servers
Dear all, Does any one of our group have bench mark reports of OC4J wrt other Application Servers mainly WebLogic, Iplanet and IBM Web Sphere. Can we get the performance reports of OC4J and how much load it can handle. Please help in regard.. With warm regards Venkata
SV: Benchmarks should be better
Title: SV: Benchmarks should be better Michael, do you have the result on some website somewhere? it would be very interesting to see some tests preformed by external parties. WR -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Michael Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 4 februari 2001 00:52 Till: Orion-Interest Ämne: RE: Benchmarks should be better Just a little update.. I have completed benchmarks for the initial apache default index.html.en with 4 different http servers on Redhat 6.2 with AMD Thunderbird 650 and 128MB Ram. Apache 1.3.14 Tomcat 3.2 Weblogic 5.1 Orion 1.4.5 I couldn't believe my eyes when Orion served the static html faster than all of them (Beating apache by about a 30% margin using 20 threads with 5 sockets per thread. Another amazing thing was resource usage.. The highest CPU Usage I saw from Orion during the test was a mere 30 percent. If that is not a convincing factor, then I don't know what is. I still have some concerns about the security of orion (running on port 80 as root), and Apache is by nature a more memory intensive application. It uses a multi-process -vs- orion's multithreaded technique. Each process uses a few megs of memory, so for a large request base, apache will need more memory so it isn't getting page faults all over the place. ( I am also running oracle on this box which uses tonnes of memory as many know ) I'll slap in another 128M and see what happens. Any comments would be appreciated. Michael Quinn Software Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks should be better Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other sucky java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Benchmarks should be better
Re: Security (run as root). In Unix/Linux, you don't have to. A guide to how to change this is posted at: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/unixprocess.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:52 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Benchmarks should be better Just a little update.. I have completed benchmarks for the initial apache default index.html.en with 4 different http servers on Redhat 6.2 with AMD Thunderbird 650 and 128MB Ram. Apache 1.3.14 Tomcat 3.2 Weblogic 5.1 Orion 1.4.5 I couldn't believe my eyes when Orion served the static html faster than all of them (Beating apache by about a 30% margin using 20 threads with 5 sockets per thread. Another amazing thing was resource usage.. The highest CPU Usage I saw from Orion during the test was a mere 30 percent. If that is not a convincing factor, then I don't know what is. I still have some concerns about the security of orion (running on port 80 as root), and Apache is by nature a more memory intensive application. It uses a multi-process -vs- orion's multithreaded technique. Each process uses a few megs of memory, so for a large request base, apache will need more memory so it isn't getting page faults all over the place. ( I am also running oracle on this box which uses tonnes of memory as many know ) I'll slap in another 128M and see what happens. Any comments would be appreciated. Michael Quinn Software Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks should be better Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other "sucky" java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Benchmarks should be better
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Michael Quinn wrote: Just a little update.. I have completed benchmarks for the initial apache default index.html.en with 4 different http servers on Redhat 6.2 with AMD Thunderbird 650 and 128MB Ram. Apache 1.3.14 Tomcat 3.2 Weblogic 5.1 Orion 1.4.5 I couldn't believe my eyes when Orion served the static html faster than all of them (Beating apache by about a 30% margin using 20 threads with 5 sockets per thread. Another amazing thing was resource usage.. The highest CPU Usage I saw from Orion during the test was a mere 30 percent. If that is not a convincing factor, then I don't know what is. I still have some concerns about the security of orion (running on port 80 as root), and Apache is by nature a more memory intensive application. It Running Orion as root is not recommended. There have been tutorials available from www.orionsupport.com that recommend better alternatives such as running Orion from port 8080 or whatever and using port redirection. This is what I currently use and I can run Orion as the orion user which I have created. I am pleased with Orion's results in CPU usage and memory. Keep the bench marks coming. uses a multi-process -vs- orion's multithreaded technique. Each process uses a few megs of memory, so for a large request base, apache will need more memory so it isn't getting page faults all over the place. ( I am also running oracle on this box which uses tonnes of memory as many know ) I'll slap in another 128M and see what happens. Any comments would be appreciated. Michael Quinn Software Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks should be better Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other "sucky" java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Benchmarks should be better
how many requests/responses were simulated? - Original Message - From: Michael Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: RE: Benchmarks should be better Just a little update.. I have completed benchmarks for the initial apache default index.html.en with 4 different http servers on Redhat 6.2 with AMD Thunderbird 650 and 128MB Ram. Apache 1.3.14 Tomcat 3.2 Weblogic 5.1 Orion 1.4.5 I couldn't believe my eyes when Orion served the static html faster than all of them (Beating apache by about a 30% margin using 20 threads with 5 sockets per thread. Another amazing thing was resource usage.. The highest CPU Usage I saw from Orion during the test was a mere 30 percent. If that is not a convincing factor, then I don't know what is. I still have some concerns about the security of orion (running on port 80 as root), and Apache is by nature a more memory intensive application. It uses a multi-process -vs- orion's multithreaded technique. Each process uses a few megs of memory, so for a large request base, apache will need more memory so it isn't getting page faults all over the place. ( I am also running oracle on this box which uses tonnes of memory as many know ) I'll slap in another 128M and see what happens. Any comments would be appreciated. Michael Quinn Software Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks should be better Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other "sucky" java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Benchmarks should be better
Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other "sucky" java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Benchmarks
I know that there a completely different technologies evaluated as well. I was referring to the different performance numbers between Resin and Orionserver. Lawrence Fry wrote: Christof, I read this article, and the comparison in this benchmark is between php, perl and java. The benchmark is not intended to compared j2ee application servers, and as noted in the article, only includes "toy" applications like hello world. The conclusion of the article is that java is as good or better than php and perl. However, lets make some comparisons. Orion is about 2% faster than Resin, which in my book is nearly the same. However, Resin is not a j2ee server, and uses non-j2ee ejb protocols. Most of us use Orion for the ejb support. Regards, Lawrence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christof Baumgärtner Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:18 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks Orionserver claims to be the fastest one out there. What is the official comment to the numbers presented at http://www.caucho.com/articles/benchmark.xtp ? begin:vcard n:Baumgärtner;Christof tel;cell:+49 171 8169911 tel;fax:+49 89 6797 tel;work:+49 89 6797 2220 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.websentric.com org:WebSentric AG adr:;;Raiffeisenallee 5;Oberhaching;;82041;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note:Vice President CTO fn:Christof Baumgärtner end:vcard
Re: Benchmarks
Hello Christof, Scott Ferguson (the Caucho guy) tested a later version on Orion (and a newer Resin) in April and got these results for a simple Hello world JSP: 1 client/no keepalive (in ops per second), IBM JDK 1.2: Orion: 428 Resin: 234 4 clients/ 4 keepalives Orion: 717 Resin: 311 Scott Ferguson's comment was: "So, indeed, Orion's Hello World JSP significantly beats Resin's. Great job from the Orion team!" This can be found in the archives for the JSP-interest list in a message sent by Scott at April 20 2000. However, things change all the time, and our own tests do not indicate such a big difference between Orion and Resin as that test did. Regards, Karl Avedal Christof Baumgärtner wrote: Orionserver claims to be the fastest one out there. What is the official comment to the numbers presented at http://www.caucho.com/articles/benchmark.xtp ?
Re: Benchmarks
Lawrence Fry wrote: Christof, I read this article, and the comparison in this benchmark is between php, perl and java. The benchmark is not intended to compared j2ee application servers, and as noted in the article, only includes "toy" applications like hello world. The conclusion of the article is that java is as good or better than php and perl. However, lets make some comparisons. Orion is about 2% faster than Resin, which in my book is nearly the same. However, Resin is not a j2ee server, and uses non-j2ee ejb protocols. Most of us use Orion for the ejb support. Besides, Both where tested on JDK 1.2. And the Orion version was 0.7.someting. Sven -- == Sven E. van 't Veer http://www.cachoeiro.net Java Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
RE: Benchmarks
Christof, I read this article, and the comparison in this benchmark is between php, perl and java. The benchmark is not intended to compared j2ee application servers, and as noted in the article, only includes "toy" applications like hello world. The conclusion of the article is that java is as good or better than php and perl. However, lets make some comparisons. Orion is about 2% faster than Resin, which in my book is nearly the same. However, Resin is not a j2ee server, and uses non-j2ee ejb protocols. Most of us use Orion for the ejb support. Regards, Lawrence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christof Baumgärtner Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:18 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks Orionserver claims to be the fastest one out there. What is the official comment to the numbers presented at http://www.caucho.com/articles/benchmark.xtp ?
Re: documentation/ejb benchmarks
Try reading the JSP 1.1 Spec and download the associated examples. You will probably have to read everything a couple of times like I did, but it finally clicked. Sincerely, Abraham Samuele Brignoli wrote: Do someone know where I can find documentation about custom tags ( and maybe some clear and simple examples ). I'm using Orion 0.7.6b.I have some examples but they're very difficult for me . Thanks. Samuele.
documentation/ejb benchmarks
Hi, 2 questions: When will the final documentation of your product be available on your website? Have you performed any ejb benchmarks comparing orion with other servers (weblogic, ejipt)? robert -- (-) Robert Krüger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brüder-Knauß-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
