Re: Intro to Orion Tutorial
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Re: Intro to Orion Tutorial
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RE: Intro to Orion Tutorial
Comment: Orion is very much like an open source project, in that they have an excelling mailing list, offering support. Sure, some people may think like this: Gee, I had to read the Sun specs to learn (which are really more geared to providing a blueprint to building an EJB server, and not how to use EJB), so why should I help any newcomers? It reminds me of my father: I had to walk five miles in the snow, so why do you need a car? However, I look at it this way: the more newcomers we can welcome to this J2EE world, the more competition it will give Uncle Bill. And the more Orion users it brings to the fold! Randy -Original Message- From: Julian Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Intro to Orion Tutorial > I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time getting > started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was stumped at > every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them difficult to > follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's deploytool, > rather than something like Ant. That depends on your background though. I'm new to the whole EJB thing, but the only product I tried to use before Orion was a combination of Visualage / Websphere, and I didn't get on with those at all - far too confusing. The no-nonsense approach of Orion is pretty refreshing, and this mailing list seems pretty darn useful too. > I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from it just > because they can't get it to work right away. Did you get Weblogic to work the first time you tried it? I think a certain amount of pain is to be expected at first :-) > For newbies, it's really more > of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything Orion-specific, or at > least it seems that way to me. Yes, absolutely. I don't think you can do much about that - at least I can pretty much see what Orion's doing behind the scenes, unlike a lot of other products where you just have to press a button or something and it does everything for you - fine when it works, but a complete disaster when it suddenly breaks for whatever reason. > http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html I'll take a look. Coming from what's pretty much an open-source background it's nice to see people taking the time to do things like this - Orion feels very much like an open-source product (wish it was ;) what with good (IMHO opinion) information on the website, small efficient footprint, mailing lists, support sites etc. cheers Jules
RE: Intro to Orion Tutorial
> I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time getting > started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was stumped at > every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them difficult to > follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's deploytool, > rather than something like Ant. That depends on your background though. I'm new to the whole EJB thing, but the only product I tried to use before Orion was a combination of Visualage / Websphere, and I didn't get on with those at all - far too confusing. The no-nonsense approach of Orion is pretty refreshing, and this mailing list seems pretty darn useful too. > I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from it just > because they can't get it to work right away. Did you get Weblogic to work the first time you tried it? I think a certain amount of pain is to be expected at first :-) > For newbies, it's really more > of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything Orion-specific, or at > least it seems that way to me. Yes, absolutely. I don't think you can do much about that - at least I can pretty much see what Orion's doing behind the scenes, unlike a lot of other products where you just have to press a button or something and it does everything for you - fine when it works, but a complete disaster when it suddenly breaks for whatever reason. > http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html I'll take a look. Coming from what's pretty much an open-source background it's nice to see people taking the time to do things like this - Orion feels very much like an open-source product (wish it was ;) what with good (IMHO opinion) information on the website, small efficient footprint, mailing lists, support sites etc. cheers Jules
RE: Intro to Orion Tutorial
James, Excellent tutorial - and great timing - I was just about to start work on getting the Sun tool to cooperate with Orion... Chris Wright Senior Technical Consultant Clockwork Web 23/4 The Coda Centre 189 Munster Road London SW6 6AW Tel: 020 7471 0770 Fax: 020 7471 0771 -Original Message- From: James Halloran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 February 2001 01:36 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Intro to Orion Tutorial I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time getting started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was stumped at every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them difficult to follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's deploytool, rather than something like Ant. I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from it just because they can't get it to work right away. For newbies, it's really more of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything Orion-specific, or at least it seems that way to me. For us WebLogic users, it is because we are used to the very non-standard way WebLogic does things. ;) That is why I decided to write up my own little Orion tutorial. For now, it can be found at the following URL: http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html I wanted to write a tutorial that even a J2EE newbie could follow. It shows how to use Sun's deploytool to assemble the application, followed by the ultra-simple instructions for deploying it on Orion. I just typed it up now, and tested the code. But it's definately a little sloppy in some places, and I hope I got all the terminology right. I was hoping some of you could take a look and comment, and then eventually maybe it could be posted on orionsupport. I tried to copy their style a bit. I intend to write a Part 2 to this tutorial, explaining helper classes and how to connect to Oracle...which is another common question here, and one that I've asked about myself! Well, what do you think? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Intro to Orion Tutorial
James, Very nice work! You have made a great contribution. tim. > I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time getting > started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was stumped at > every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them difficult to > follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's deploytool, > rather than something like Ant. > > I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from it just > because they can't get it to work right away. For newbies, it's really more > of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything Orion-specific, or at > least it seems that way to me. For us WebLogic users, it is because we are > used to the very non-standard way WebLogic does things. ;) That is why I > decided to write up my own little Orion tutorial. For now, it can be found > at the following URL: > > http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html > > I wanted to write a tutorial that even a J2EE newbie could follow. It shows > how to use Sun's deploytool to assemble the application, followed by the > ultra-simple instructions for deploying it on Orion. > > I just typed it up now, and tested the code. But it's definately a little > sloppy in some places, and I hope I got all the terminology right. I was > hoping some of you could take a look and comment, and then eventually maybe > it could be posted on orionsupport. I tried to copy their style a bit. I > intend to write a Part 2 to this tutorial, explaining helper classes and how > to connect to Oracle...which is another common question here, and one that > I've asked about myself! > > Well, what do you think? > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >
Intro to Orion Tutorial
I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time getting started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was stumped at every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them difficult to follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's deploytool, rather than something like Ant. I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from it just because they can't get it to work right away. For newbies, it's really more of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything Orion-specific, or at least it seems that way to me. For us WebLogic users, it is because we are used to the very non-standard way WebLogic does things. ;) That is why I decided to write up my own little Orion tutorial. For now, it can be found at the following URL: http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html I wanted to write a tutorial that even a J2EE newbie could follow. It shows how to use Sun's deploytool to assemble the application, followed by the ultra-simple instructions for deploying it on Orion. I just typed it up now, and tested the code. But it's definately a little sloppy in some places, and I hope I got all the terminology right. I was hoping some of you could take a look and comment, and then eventually maybe it could be posted on orionsupport. I tried to copy their style a bit. I intend to write a Part 2 to this tutorial, explaining helper classes and how to connect to Oracle...which is another common question here, and one that I've asked about myself! Well, what do you think? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
