Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
Could not agree more. don't any of you subscribe to other tech lists? I'm surprised that there are people using orion that are not subscribed to ejb-interest (excellent list and a must for people working with ejb professionally IMHO) which has at least as much traffic as this one here. Please learn how to use a mail client with filters and let's deal with a high volume as soon as there is something to deal with and let's not start a religious war on newgroup vs. mailingl ist (I'm pro mailing list btw ;-)). the negative side effects (people not knowing where to look, crossposting etc.) would clearly outweight the benefits of splitting up the list IMHO. robert At 19:21 18.10.00 , you wrote: >IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many messages for your >inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail clients will >handle this. > >I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, nor am the only one who >belongs to many other special-interest lists, all delivered via email and >filtered. > >I belong to roughly 40 or so development lists, some of which average 40-50 >messages a day. They happily get filtered away into their own folders. (In >fact, I just archived my Postfix users list from the past year-- 14,000+ >messages.) > >If the list does need to be split, it should be split by the Orion folks as >they deem necessary. > >Please realize however, when talking about splitting the list into different >development disciplines, that is no longer Orion specific, it now becomes a >Java app development list-- which there are already many. > >If someone volunteers to setup a web-based "message board" or a separate >NNTP server, then that is their perogative. But I do believe that not >keeping the product support channels centralized will not only confuse the >new users of Orion, but also be the cause of frustration trying to find out >which method of support is actually productive. > >Thanks for listening. > >-- >David S. Kenzik >[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://kenzik.com >Original Music - http://mp3.com/text > > > Joseph B. Ottinger said... > > > It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on > > my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, > > as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. > > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: > > > > > I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, > it might > > > limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a > mailing > > > list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, > > > applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A > fourth (the > > > first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database > > > related, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM > > > > To: Orion-Interest > > > > Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split > > > > the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to > > > > move these > > > > > messages into their own folder. > > > > > > > > Good idea. > > > > > > > > > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I > > > > recomend splitting > > > > > the list into a few other lists. > > > > > > > > Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the > > > > automatic ordering > > > > of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I > > > > can see a root > > > > message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. > > > > What's so wrong > > > > with that? > > > > > > > > > Probably the most obvious split is between > > > > > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, > > > > configure and > > > > > install it. > > > > > > > > Like I said - 2 news groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer > > > (-) Robert Krüger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brüder-Knauß-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
David Kenzik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] said: > > IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many > messages for your > inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail > clients will > handle this. > > [...] I would like to add another voice to this opinion; I don't think the traffic (typically 10-15 messages per day) really warrants splitting the list, and I don't see a clear demarcation of the topics. I've noticed that most of the traffic seems to be of the "how do I do X" variety from people who haven't tried searching the list archives. I greatly fear that these same people would probably send mail to all of the lists involved, and I would be getting three copies of the same question five other people already asked this month :-) A faq-o-matic would probably cut list traffic by 75%. What say you, keepers of orionsupport.com? I love the new look, btw. Jeff
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many messages for your inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail clients will handle this. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, nor am the only one who belongs to many other special-interest lists, all delivered via email and filtered. I belong to roughly 40 or so development lists, some of which average 40-50 messages a day. They happily get filtered away into their own folders. (In fact, I just archived my Postfix users list from the past year-- 14,000+ messages.) If the list does need to be split, it should be split by the Orion folks as they deem necessary. Please realize however, when talking about splitting the list into different development disciplines, that is no longer Orion specific, it now becomes a Java app development list-- which there are already many. If someone volunteers to setup a web-based "message board" or a separate NNTP server, then that is their perogative. But I do believe that not keeping the product support channels centralized will not only confuse the new users of Orion, but also be the cause of frustration trying to find out which method of support is actually productive. Thanks for listening. -- David S. Kenzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://mp3.com/text Joseph B. Ottinger said... > It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on > my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, > as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: > > > I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might > > limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing > > list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, > > applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the > > first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database > > related, if possible. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM > > > To: Orion-Interest > > > Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split > > > the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to > > > move these > > > > messages into their own folder. > > > > > > Good idea. > > > > > > > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I > > > recomend splitting > > > > the list into a few other lists. > > > > > > Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the > > > automatic ordering > > > of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I > > > can see a root > > > message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. > > > What's so wrong > > > with that? > > > > > > > Probably the most obvious split is between > > > > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, > > > configure and > > > > install it. > > > > > > Like I said - 2 news groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer >
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: > I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might > limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing > list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, > applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the > first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database > related, if possible. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split > > the list > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to > > move these > > > messages into their own folder. > > > > Good idea. > > > > > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I > > recomend splitting > > > the list into a few other lists. > > > > Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the > > automatic ordering > > of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I > > can see a root > > message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. > > What's so wrong > > with that? > > > > > Probably the most obvious split is between > > > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, > > configure and > > > install it. > > > > Like I said - 2 news groups. > > > > > > --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database related, if possible. > -Original Message- > From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split > the list > > > > > Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to > move these > > messages into their own folder. > > Good idea. > > > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I > recomend splitting > > the list into a few other lists. > > Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the > automatic ordering > of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I > can see a root > message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. > What's so wrong > with that? > > > Probably the most obvious split is between > > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, > configure and > > install it. > > Like I said - 2 news groups. > >
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
> Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these > messages into their own folder. Good idea. > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting > the list into a few other lists. Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the automatic ordering of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I can see a root message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. What's so wrong with that? > Probably the most obvious split is between > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and > install it. Like I said - 2 news groups.
Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
I agree with Miles, Evermind should set up a news server, every 6 minutes there is a new message. I think it would be great there are serveral groups: - Installation & Configuration - General J2EE (JSP, TagLibs, EJB) - Platforms (Orion on Solaris, Linux user problems, ...) Regards, Mathias Bogaert - Original Message - From: "Jim Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list > Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these > messages into their own folder. > > However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting > the list into a few other lists. Probably the most obvious split is between > developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and > install it. > > Jim > > > --On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:58 PM +0200 Miles Daffin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I have not picked up my email for 2 days and have just downloaded 108 > > Orion-Interest messages. Imagine what would have happened if I had left > > this job until Friday. > > > > I think it is time to turn this thing into a news group. It would also > > make it easier to see, follow, save & contribute to separate threads. In > > fact I cannot see a reason not to do this. > > > > Maybe you can. > > > > -- > > Miles Daffin > > Java Developer > > > > HOT Company BV > > Mathernesserlaan 171 > > 3014 HA Rotterdam > > > > Land: +31 (0) 10 476 2500 > > Fax: +31 (0) 10 476 5762 > > Mobile: +31 (0) 2959 1423 > > http://www.hotobjects.nl > > > > > >
