RE: Inprise AppServer vs Orion
Please also see the server side Inprise review at http://www2.theserverside.com/reviews/thread.jsp?thread_id=290, along with Orion reviews at http://www2.theserverside.com/reviews/thread.jsp?thread_id=165 and http://www2.theserverside.com/reviews/thread.jsp?thread_id=118 -Original Message- From: calvin matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:10 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Inprise AppServer vs Orion Hi, I have evaluated a number of application servers and I can honestly say that Borland IAS was the server that I recommended NOT using in any circumstances. In its favour it has good support from a big company, There is no need to restart server when deploying components (unlike a lot of servers). It implements load balancing and clustering for scalability and has reasonably good administration console/GUI deployment tools. Orions tools are a bit quirky and support is non-existent. However, it doesn't support EJB 1.1 standard enterprise archives (EAR files) or web archives (WAR files). This increases the overhead of deploying JSP and servlets. Security is implemented as a separate add-on product, increasing the cost of implementing any EJB standard security. It uses the Visigenics ORB to implement the naming service. This means that if more than one naming service is running on the same network then clients may get confused about which naming service is used to find objects and there is no guarantee that the naming service it goes to is the one that knows about the objects you want. This results in components appearing to disappear intermittently. One solution is to run one naming service for all users, but stops developers, testers and live systems from being completely separated. It's expensive. It's priced per CPU with no developer incentive. It is slow. Even starting the server is slow. And Orion does not have these issues. Hope this helps. Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 April 2001 00:24 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Inprise AppServer vs Orion Hi all, I am pushing hard to get Orion included in the last shortlist for our next product. Only because of the support issues(that everyone here understands),my manager is inclined to consider something like Inprise Appserver as a better alternative..
RE: Inprise AppServer vs Orion
Hi, I have evaluated a number of application servers and I can honestly say that Borland IAS was the server that I recommended NOT using in any circumstances. In its favour it has good support from a big company, There is no need to restart server when deploying components (unlike a lot of servers). It implements load balancing and clustering for scalability and has reasonably good administration console/GUI deployment tools. Orions tools are a bit quirky and support is non-existent. However, it doesn't support EJB 1.1 standard enterprise archives (EAR files) or web archives (WAR files). This increases the overhead of deploying JSP and servlets. Security is implemented as a separate add-on product, increasing the cost of implementing any EJB standard security. It uses the Visigenics ORB to implement the naming service. This means that if more than one naming service is running on the same network then clients may get confused about which naming service is used to find objects and there is no guarantee that the naming service it goes to is the one that knows about the objects you want. This results in components appearing to disappear intermittently. One solution is to run one naming service for all users, but stops developers, testers and live systems from being completely separated. It's expensive. It's priced per CPU with no developer incentive. It is slow. Even starting the server is slow. And Orion does not have these issues. Hope this helps. Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 April 2001 00:24 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Inprise AppServer vs Orion Hi all, I am pushing hard to get Orion included in the last shortlist for our next product. Only because of the support issues(that everyone here understands),my manager is inclined to consider something like Inprise Appserver as a better alternative..
RE: Inprise AppServer vs Orion
I'm in the same boat. JBoss didn't work for us, too slow. JRun is crap. So we are moving to Borland (Inprise). I used IAS in a project last year that never got deployed. I thought it was great. Very fast, Built on a true CORBA foundation, and very, I mean VERY good support. I have not yet ported our current system from Orion to BAS (Borland Application Server), to get pa performance comparison. I will be doing that in a couple of weeks. I'll post when I get results. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:24 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Inprise AppServer vs Orion > > > Hi all, > > I am pushing hard to get Orion included in the last shortlist for our next > product. > Only because of the support issues(that everyone here understands),my > manager is inclined to > consider something like Inprise Appserver as a better alternative.. > > Now,could anyone here give me some figures,opinions ,etc about the > performance of Inprise Appserver. > How does it compare with Orion in terms of the key evaluation factors?(i > understand, we would know which factors are more important for us...still) > > We have to have two major applications hosted on the appserver as part of > the product deployment. > The first one is not a real 'web' app. > It has ejbs being accessed by distributed components and mix of some > database and proprietary back end. > The second application is a web application with servlet/jsp/corba > components > > We have pretty strict performance requirements for both of these...And the > first application has to have > high availability as well... > > Any sort of suggestions, pointers,data,exclamations would be of high > value > > Thanks, > > Jobin > >
RE: Inprise AppServer vs Orion
This might give you an idea. It compares different app. servers. http://www.flashline.com/Components/appservermatrix.jsp Hope It helps. Claudio > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:24 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Inprise AppServer vs Orion > > > > Hi all, > > I am pushing hard to get Orion included in the last shortlist for our next > product. > Only because of the support issues(that everyone here understands),my > manager is inclined to > consider something like Inprise Appserver as a better alternative.. > > Now,could anyone here give me some figures,opinions ,etc about the > performance of Inprise Appserver. > How does it compare with Orion in terms of the key evaluation factors?(i > understand, we would know which factors are more important for us...still) > > We have to have two major applications hosted on the appserver as part of > the product deployment. > The first one is not a real 'web' app. > It has ejbs being accessed by distributed components and mix of some > database and proprietary back end. > The second application is a web application with servlet/jsp/corba > components > > We have pretty strict performance requirements for both of these...And the > first application has to have > high availability as well... > > Any sort of suggestions, pointers,data,exclamations would be of high > value > > Thanks, > > Jobin > > > >
