RE: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
Hi We've been using SparxSystems modelling product (Enterprise Architect) found it fairly good. If you also consider its very small price, you might find it even more nice. udi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jorge De Flon Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:06 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! I Also think that together is the best UML modeling tool. if you dont have the money, you can use a opensource tool as fujaba (goggle it because it is not fujaba.org ) Regards - Original Message - From: Curt Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
I Also think that together is the best UML modeling tool. if you dont have the money, you can use a opensource tool as fujaba (goggle it because it is not fujaba.org ) Regards - Original Message - From: Curt Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132
RE: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
Please unsubscribe me according to a message I received earlier I am unsubscribed, but this is clearly not the case. ed -Original Message- From: Oisin Kim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 December 2001 12:04 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
I agree totally, very feature rich, a real quality product, more features than you could ever possibly use, but at £5000 a seat the price is slightly prohibitive. I was lucky enough to use Together Control Center for my Thesis, if you can afford it, get it! Otherwise, for 10% of the functionality, for free get Poseidon! If you like it and use it commercially pay the $150 or so dollars for the Professional version. Oisin On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 13:47, Curt Smith wrote: I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
Also, for a reasonable amount of functionality at a fraction of the cost, look at Enterprise Architect from www.sparxsystems.com.au. For what I do, I like it quite a bit. Cheers Ray --- Oisin Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree totally, very feature rich, a real quality product, more features than you could ever possibly use, but at £5000 a seat the price is slightly prohibitive. I was lucky enough to use Together Control Center for my Thesis, if you can afford it, get it! Otherwise, for 10% of the functionality, for free get Poseidon! If you like it and use it commercially pay the $150 or so dollars for the Professional version. Oisin On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 13:47, Curt Smith wrote: I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- === Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 === -- === Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 === __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
You can get TogetherJ in a solo version for about 1/2 of the Control Center's price. Jonathan Bricker Lilly Research Labs Java ATG Oisin Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/01 12:15 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest To:Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! I agree totally, very feature rich, a real quality product, more features than you could ever possibly use, but at £5000 a seat the price is slightly prohibitive. I was lucky enough to use Together Control Center for my Thesis, if you can afford it, get it! Otherwise, for 10% of the functionality, for free get Poseidon! If you like it and use it commercially pay the $150 or so dollars for the Professional version. Oisin On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 13:47, Curt Smith wrote: I have a team using TogetherJ for our modeler, IDE and deploy tool. TogetherJ, the first to market with a great all Java UML modeler, round trip code generator product. Supports all IDE functions including debugging into your appserver's VM, deploy, call Ant, JUnit etc etc. Very feature rich. togethersoft.com Curt Oisin Kim wrote: John, have a look at Poseidon, the community edition is free and it's 100% Java so multi platform, although it runs best with 1.3.1_01 JRE... Oisin On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise, and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132 -- Oisin Kim Software Engineer Aurium - the new brand for Conceptual Drift Clifton House Lower Fitzwilliam Street Dublin 2 Web - http://www.aurium.net Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile - +353 86 841 9967 Telephone - +353 1 661 1132
RE: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
I can't say anything about Select, but we are using (Ir)Rational Rose here - a sometimes harrowing but necessary experience. Harrowing, because of numerous littlebugs in the software, workflows which work only under certain circumstances and not others, and certain features only partially implemented (like roundtrip engineering). Necessary, because in any medium size or larger project the UML models and diagrams are an invaluable tool for understanding what's going on. I personally like to first look at the big picture, than hack up a few prototype implementation classes, and then combine them and make model and class design coherent. Rational certainly does allow us to do this (although not as easily as we would wish). Of course it integrates better with other rational tools (e.g. clearcase) than other UML modeling apps. I have been using MagicDraw a bit, mostly for reverse engineering which was not quite as well supported by Rational. It doesn't have the number of features that Rational has, but is certainly an interesting alternative for smaller projects (and much less expensive). I have to amend that we are in the process of installing the latest update of Rational, which seems to take care of many concerns that we had and adds features like better roundtrip engineering, better integration with tools like jbuilder, andJSP support (caveat emptor - we have not used this version yet, will know more in a couple of weeks) which can be a major headache because it doesn't easily fit in the typical class model. So despite my irreverence, (ir)rational Rose helps us as a group to document the model and keep track of the overall structure of the project. If you go with Rose, make sure it's the latest version - it certainly seems to make life considerable easier (and be less irrational) Cheers --peter P.S. A coworker just told me that he used Select a couple of years ago - it was really clunky then.People here had betterexperience with togetherj than select. Of course this is all coming from opinionated people like myself ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:29 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise,and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice:The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law.If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Re: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!!
go for argouml..it's free and it's a java appln so u can run it even in linux/unix or mac u can find the links in www.javafaq.nu then click on the links development tools - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Off-topic: UML Tools...Help!!! Hi, I have been asked by my manager to evaluate some UML modelling tools: Rational Rose and Select. However, I have never really used UML so I probably wasn't the best person to ask :) So, if anyone could tell me any pros and cons of these packages I would appreciate it. Developers are gonna be using JBuilder 5 Enterprise,and the idea would be to farm out classes/beans you have designed and structured in the UML model. Any information or experiences you would like to share would be appreciated as I don't have a clue :) Thanks, Johnny Confidentiality Notice:The information in this e-Mail message is confidential and for the use of the named recipients only. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law.If you are not the intended recipient - the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-Mail message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-Mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (44 207 384 8102) or e-Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
