Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

[syamsul anuar]

Just to add, I dont think the organizer just approve all the CFP coming in.
They do have a selection committee, tho I dont know who they are/is.

I know because my CFP about Cloud and KVM is being rejected.

-Anuar-

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
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> Raja,
>
> Thanks for the contribution for the past few years. The team need to
> refresh. Most of us stuck
> with number of things and work related things.
>
> I hope you will continue to contribute.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > there are lots to be done, now that osdc has had that experience and gone
> > through the learning curve. kudos to all those involved in the
> conference.
> > the team needs more people and a strong taiko / big brother.
> >
> > rafe, is your email hinting that there will still be a next year ? ;-)
> > appreciate if mdec can still continue to be the big taiko. but have a
> little
> > more faith for the little brother to define its path ;-)
> >
> > while mosc2010 is still 'hot', can we start with the planning and
> paperwork
> > for mosc2011 ? then we can put in the program, organisation and budget
> much
> > earlier.
> >
> > we also need to revisit the osdc formalisation and ask again : is osdc a
> > geek club or a business association or can it be both ? reading from this
> > thread: business is the anti-thesis of geek.
> >
> > in my personal opinion, i would like osdc to be a geek club where it is
> able
> > to do advocacy and building up the community and do stuff like the
> > linuxvarsity and penguin masuk kampung.
> >
> > i would also like to thank everyone in the community and inform everyone
> > that i will be stepping down as pro-term deputy president for osdc.my. i
> > want to focus on the oss industry (the cari makan part of the
> eco-system).
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Raja,

Thanks for the contribution for the past few years. The team need to
refresh. Most of us stuck
with number of things and work related things.

I hope you will continue to contribute.


On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> there are lots to be done, now that osdc has had that experience and gone
> through the learning curve. kudos to all those involved in the conference.
> the team needs more people and a strong taiko / big brother.
>
> rafe, is your email hinting that there will still be a next year ? ;-)
> appreciate if mdec can still continue to be the big taiko. but have a little
> more faith for the little brother to define its path ;-)
>
> while mosc2010 is still 'hot', can we start with the planning and paperwork
> for mosc2011 ? then we can put in the program, organisation and budget much
> earlier.
>
> we also need to revisit the osdc formalisation and ask again : is osdc a
> geek club or a business association or can it be both ? reading from this
> thread: business is the anti-thesis of geek.
>
> in my personal opinion, i would like osdc to be a geek club where it is able
> to do advocacy and building up the community and do stuff like the
> linuxvarsity and penguin masuk kampung.
>
> i would also like to thank everyone in the community and inform everyone
> that i will be stepping down as pro-term deputy president for osdc.my. i
> want to focus on the oss industry (the cari makan part of the eco-system).
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[CL Chow]

interesting

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> Do agree, Friday night is suite to most working people.
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

there are lots to be done, now that osdc has had that experience and gone
through the learning curve. kudos to all those involved in the conference.
the team needs more people and a strong taiko / big brother.

rafe, is your email hinting that there will still be a next year ? ;-)
appreciate if mdec can still continue to be the big taiko. but have a little
more faith for the little brother to define its path ;-)

while mosc2010 is still 'hot', can we start with the planning and paperwork
for mosc2011 ? then we can put in the program, organisation and budget much
earlier.

we also need to revisit the osdc formalisation and ask again : is osdc a
geek club or a business association or can it be both ? reading from this
thread: business is the anti-thesis of geek.

in my personal opinion, i would like osdc to be a geek club where it is able
to do advocacy and building up the community and do stuff like the
linuxvarsity and penguin masuk kampung.

i would also like to thank everyone in the community and inform everyone
that i will be stepping down as pro-term deputy president for osdc.my. i
want to focus on the oss industry (the cari makan part of the eco-system).




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> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 03:26, rafe azsnal  wrote:
> > I'm reading it I just feel that I need to say something here... firstly I
> > would like to apologize if what I write here might hurt your big damn
> ego...
> > [..SNIP..]
> > you guys might be smarter a bit in way to CONTRIBUTE to the whole
> agendas...
> Touche. I could come up with a list of excuses, but that doesn't
> change the fact that I'm a side-line talker at least for this
> conference. I didn't explicitly say so, but I have great respect for
> those in the organisation pulling this kind of thing of, and I'm sure
> they have decent reasons for the decisions they made. I guess these
> are part of the growing pains of open source becoming more ready for
> the business world.
>
> Moving forward then (and moving towards action instead of words) is
> there anything I could help do right now? I'm about to organise a
> highly technical event on August the 13th in the style of what I wrote
> here: http://www.tribily.com/content/hivestorm-fast-paced-group-brainstorm
> .
> 'Problem' is though that that type of event is a breeze to organise
> when compared to a fullblown conference.
>
> /me is humbly open for suggestions.
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Penguin Masuk Kampung - Batu Gajah, Perak : Exhibition Item Needed!

[Shukri Jahari]

HI arora.

Pls refer here-->
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=203598128106&index=1

the venue change to Batu Gajah, Perak.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 14:20, arora anne  wrote:

> anywebsite regarding this event...I m keen give a talk about network
> security using linux tools
>
> On 7/5/10, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini  wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, arora anne  >wrote:
> >
> >> ok shoud no problem..any help for the talk also ok.
> >>
> >
> > ann,
> >
> > can you update where, when this event happened?
> > a roadmap to the location also might be handy
> > tentative can be update here also
> >
> > thanks :)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 7/4/10, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini  wrote:
> >> > Hi all! :)
> >> >
> >> > Hope you guys had a great weekend after successfully manage a great
> >> > conference. I's been a pleasure to be with the team, although my
> picture
> >> > this year are quite smoky and dark :(
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, I got another project that really need community help. Like I
> >> > mention at the subject, Pengion Masuk Kampung (
> penguinmasukkampung.org)
> >> in
> >> > conjuction with UTM student (I'm not quite sure what program is, later
> >> will
> >> > update about it) are planning to make this program happened at Batu
> >> Gajah,
> >> > Perak (if got exact location, please update this mail). I will be
> there
> >> as
> >> > all Malaysia community members.
> >> >
> >> > The reason I'm make this topic is there's an exhibition happen there.
> >> > So,
> >> > because I'm alone, I lack of item that can be exhibit or to give away
> to
> >> the
> >> > crowd. There's maybe about 30-40 people will be attend for
> talk/workshop
> >> and
> >> > hundreds of them for the exhibition. What really need is:-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >- Bunting or banners - hope that all community (Ubuntu-my, DebMal,
> >> >MyOpenSuSE, PCBSD, etc) can borrow at least one of your banner
> please
> >> :)
> >> >- Fliers, LiveCD - same as above description, but the CD's will be
> >> give
> >> >away upon request.
> >> >- Goodies, freebies, T-Shirt - it's not for me, but for the crowd.
> I
> >> >might be making some lucky draw or quiz, so these item might be
> help
> >> for
> >> > the
> >> >session.
> >> >- Business cards - please leave it if you have one (with community
> >> logo
> >> >on it). I'll try to find your business opportunities there.
> >> >
> >> > Be please to hand over these item to *Harisfazillah Jamel* before
> >> > *Wednesday,
> >> > 7th July 2010*.
> >> >
> >> > Really appreciate and thank in advance for supporting this event and
> >> > I'll
> >> > try update with some photo :)
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Bantuan Bengkel FOSS Khidmat Masyarakat Batu Gajah- JKM KTHO

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

gusy..
nanti area pick up barang dekat koordinat 3.05645,101.704157 (sila check di
maps.google.com)
tapi siapa yang standby sana tu?
boleh dapat respon dengan cepat?

t.kasih

2010/7/7 arora anne 

> boleh join dimana naik bas tu
>
> 2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
>> boss..
>>
>> tanya balik, ape barang dapat ye?
>> penganjur nak tanye dulu..
>> kot2 takut kena ikat atas bas :)
>>
>> 2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>
>> hari khamis dalam pukul 6.30 - 7 malam
>>>
>>> nanti update semula.
>>>
>>> 2010/7/6 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>>
>>> Syuzwan,

 Bas dari UTM JB akan tiba bila khamis tu...

 Harap dapat maklum...



 On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, darXness darXness 
 wrote:
 > hmm...menarik gak.tp masalah tempat lak.kalo ade trnasport...ok
 jerk...huhuhu
 >
 > 2010/7/4 Harisfazillah Jamel :
 >> Berapa orang? Harap penganjur boleh sertai list kita ni...
 >>
 >> 2010/7/4 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
 >>> cantik..
 >>>
 >>> pasal nak dapatkan barang tu nanti saya deal dengan penganjur..
 >>> atau paling mudah hantar dalam parcel guna KTM punya ekspress..
 >>> hantar petang, esok pagi saya boleh ambil :)
 >>>
 >>> any community want to send their freebies also tak? don't care bags,
 tshirt
 >>> (nak buat lucky draw kalau dapat), CD's, fliers, posters,
 etc..please
 >>> contact with en harisfazillah ye :)
 >>>
 >>> On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 00:21 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Terima kasih Wan... Goodies tu Fazli ok dan rasanya Ubuntu-my tiada
 >>> masalah. Hanya nak ambil dimana. Nak pos mcm lambat nak sampai...
 >>>
 >>> Ada sumbangan goodies tempat lain?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> 2010/7/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
  mungkin saya boleh membantu..
  tapi tak ade la otai pun..
 
  2010/7/3 Harisfazillah Jamel 
 >
 > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera
 >
 > Ada yang free 8 Julai 2010 (Jumaat)  Harap ada sudi
 membantu
 >
 > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295027415255
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[aziman noor]

Do agree, Friday night is suite to most working people.

Thanks.

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[Walter Heck - OlinData.com]

I'll send out the first invitations soon, probably this weekend or
early next week.

Walter

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[sweemeng ng]

FIgure it out, so when the invitation will be out

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:14 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> which friday the 13th, i can't find the time on the posting
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Walter Heck - OlinData.com <
> walterh...@olindata.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Umarzuki,
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 04:31, Umarzuki Mochlis 
>> wrote:
>> > It is best that this event will be held on weekends
>> We chose friday night for a few reasons actually:
>> - Friday the 13th is easy to remember.
>> - Fridaynight we don't have to worry too much about people who have to
>> work next day
>> - Since the event is supposed to be fast-paced, 3,5 hours should be
>> more then enough. That fits nicely into an evening.
>> - Friday the 13th offers endless possibilities for entering in a
>> little bit of creativity/theming. Don't worry, we won't make you come
>> in costumes ;)
>>
>> The only real downside here is that traffic on early friday evening
>> can be pretty 'interesting' :)
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[sweemeng ng]

which friday the 13th, i can't find the time on the posting

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Walter Heck - OlinData.com <
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> Hi Umarzuki,
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 04:31, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
> > It is best that this event will be held on weekends
> We chose friday night for a few reasons actually:
> - Friday the 13th is easy to remember.
> - Fridaynight we don't have to worry too much about people who have to
> work next day
> - Since the event is supposed to be fast-paced, 3,5 hours should be
> more then enough. That fits nicely into an evening.
> - Friday the 13th offers endless possibilities for entering in a
> little bit of creativity/theming. Don't worry, we won't make you come
> in costumes ;)
>
> The only real downside here is that traffic on early friday evening
> can be pretty 'interesting' :)
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[Walter Heck - OlinData.com]

Hi Umarzuki,

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 04:31, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
> It is best that this event will be held on weekends
We chose friday night for a few reasons actually:
- Friday the 13th is easy to remember.
- Fridaynight we don't have to worry too much about people who have to
work next day
- Since the event is supposed to be fast-paced, 3,5 hours should be
more then enough. That fits nicely into an evening.
- Friday the 13th offers endless possibilities for entering in a
little bit of creativity/theming. Don't worry, we won't make you come
in costumes ;)

The only real downside here is that traffic on early friday evening
can be pretty 'interesting' :)

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

It is best that this event will be held on weekends

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Walter Heck  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> just separating this discussion from the other one, separate subjects and
> all :)
> If anyone has any comments or ideas on this proposal, feel free to
> list them here, or comment on the blog. As noted in the blog post, the
> first edition will be invite-only, just to see if that works for
> getting a high-skilled group together.
>
> Walter
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 03:46, rafe azsnal  wrote:
> > I like the idea... let talk more on it we may have a venue for you too.
> :)
> >
> > On Jul 8, 2010 3:39 AM, "Walter Heck - OlinData.com" <
> walterh...@olindata.com> wrote:
> > I'm about to organise a
> > highly technical event on August the 13th in the style of what I wrote
> > here:
> http://www.tribily.com/content/hivestorm-fast-paced-group-brainstorm.
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[osdcmy-public] Organising KL's first hivestorm..

[Walter Heck]

Hi guys,

just separating this discussion from the other one, separate subjects and all :)
If anyone has any comments or ideas on this proposal, feel free to
list them here, or comment on the blog. As noted in the blog post, the
first edition will be invite-only, just to see if that works for
getting a high-skilled group together.

Walter

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 03:46, rafe azsnal  wrote:
> I like the idea... let talk more on it we may have a venue for you too.  :)
>
> On Jul 8, 2010 3:39 AM, "Walter Heck - OlinData.com" 
>  wrote:
> I'm about to organise a
> highly technical event on August the 13th in the style of what I wrote
> here: http://www.tribily.com/content/hivestorm-fast-paced-group-brainstorm.

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

[rafe azsnal]

I like the idea... let talk more on it we may have a venue for you too.  :)

On Jul 8, 2010 3:39 AM, "Walter Heck - OlinData.com" <
walterh...@olindata.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 03:26, rafe azsnal  wrote: > I'm
reading it I just feel tha...
> [..SNIP..]

> you guys might be smarter a bit in way to CONTRIBUTE to the whole
agendas...
Touche. I could come up with a list of excuses, but that doesn't
change the fact that I'm a side-line talker at least for this
conference. I didn't explicitly say so, but I have great respect for
those in the organisation pulling this kind of thing of, and I'm sure
they have decent reasons for the decisions they made. I guess these
are part of the growing pains of open source becoming more ready for
the business world.

Moving forward then (and moving towards action instead of words) is
there anything I could help do right now? I'm about to organise a
highly technical event on August the 13th in the style of what I wrote
here: http://www.tribily.com/content/hivestorm-fast-paced-group-brainstorm.
'Problem' is though that that type of event is a breeze to organise
when compared to a fullblown conference.

/me is humbly open for suggestions.

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 03:26, rafe azsnal  wrote:
> I'm reading it I just feel that I need to say something here... firstly I
> would like to apologize if what I write here might hurt your big damn ego...
> [..SNIP..]
> you guys might be smarter a bit in way to CONTRIBUTE to the whole agendas...
Touche. I could come up with a list of excuses, but that doesn't
change the fact that I'm a side-line talker at least for this
conference. I didn't explicitly say so, but I have great respect for
those in the organisation pulling this kind of thing of, and I'm sure
they have decent reasons for the decisions they made. I guess these
are part of the growing pains of open source becoming more ready for
the business world.

Moving forward then (and moving towards action instead of words) is
there anything I could help do right now? I'm about to organise a
highly technical event on August the 13th in the style of what I wrote
here: http://www.tribily.com/content/hivestorm-fast-paced-group-brainstorm.
'Problem' is though that that type of event is a breeze to organise
when compared to a fullblown conference.

/me is humbly open for suggestions.

Walter

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re:

[rafe azsnal]

I'm reading it I just feel that I need to say something here... firstly I
would like to apologize if what I write here might hurt your big damn ego...


Kudos to the team who have organize mosc 2010 and who have put the heart and
soul into making the conference a success in any way... for all of us here
and there, where the fu*k are you guys when this 5 people needed you the
most?? Those who call themself a strong supporter of the course!! Where are
you when this people did not sleep for a week stright?? Struggling to raise
funds to give you an environment where you will feel at home and appreciated
and a place where you feel at ease to learn and to be among those who
fighting the same course as you!!! Where were all of you who only have the
guts to talk cock without having the balls to lay a finger to help them!!
I'm coming from an environment that is totally not OS and reading all the
crap here make me feel sick that the so called "brotherhood" is just a lame
excuse to point finger at others.. do fucking something about it lah don't
just talk. See the email see the Twitter see the blog look at it read it!
See how many times that they have asked for help yet none of you responded
none of you do shit about it now you are talking and bitching about it! Help
lah is for you guys anyway cannot understand ke? Feel like the big words in
OS eg, contributing is just a myth. YOU who feel that you are on top tak
reti ke tolong need to put red carpet is it in order for YOU to contribute
and to help!

Why they have in berjaya is only because the want to put a standard to the
OS conference being at par with the any others conference out there, think
about this guys if they were to have it in a 3rd class venue and trying to
promote the use of OS in the business what would be the offset of that? What
would the judgements of those who see it yet to adapt it. What would be
their perception over it!

I have so many things to write here but I honestly feel that it doesn't make
a different what so ever till every each one of you realize the true value
of being and working together as one in achieving the ultimate goal!

Sleep on it and think bout it if so there is another conference next year
you guys might be smarter a bit in way to CONTRIBUTE to the whole agendas...

//rafe

On Jul 8, 2010 2:27 AM, "Chen Ruo Fei"  wrote:

Azrul I agree with you on every aspects you mentioned. Great presentation
during the light talk!

My mind was thinking "what the hell" when I saw Microsoft being one of the
only two main sponsors. M...

By the way while I do agree that it is very important to get sponsors from
open source giants such a...

part in the conference. Otherwise the conference would be too business
oriented and become a market ...

My friend also mentioned to me that the quality of speakers varied greatly.
Its like MOSC just accep...

I also feel that the environment is too large and too serious to have some
more casual sessions, lik...

When I asked few of my OSS elite friends whether they will be attending
MOSC, they said that there's...

So while the participation of Microsoft do is an irritating fact, I think
there are also many other ...

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, Azrul MADISA  wrote: > Hi guys >
> Here's my take on MOSC 2010
http://ejn3.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-take-on-mosc-2010.html

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[osdcmy-public] Re:

[Chen Ruo Fei]

Azrul I agree with you on every aspects you mentioned. Great
presentation during the light talk!

My mind was thinking "what the hell" when I saw Microsoft being one of
the only two main sponsors. M$ is pushing very hard to get into the
open source community, and they will take whatever possible to attract
clueless developers to use their platform.

By the way while I do agree that it is very important to get sponsors
from open source giants such as Oracle rather than from Microsoft, it
is also important to get more open source communities to really take
part in the conference. Otherwise the conference would be too business
oriented and become a market place for Red Hat et al to sell their
products to CIO/CTOs, like what happened in OSSPAC.

My friend also mentioned to me that the quality of speakers varied
greatly. Its like MOSC just accepts as many presentations as possible
to attract as many audience as possible. To me its like attracting the
wrong crowd to the conference. Heck I don't even want to measure how
much proportion of the audience truly appreciate open source. To cope
with the technical level of these audience, majority of the talks are
very introductory and I feel that it'd be better to put the title of
these talks as "Introduction to XXX".

I also feel that the environment is too large and too serious to have
some more casual sessions, like Ubuntu jam, PDF exploit workshop, and
lightning talks. The hall is so large and the distance between the
speaker and audience is so far that these sessions become more like
lecturing, rather than interactive session where discussions can be
made without through the microphone.

When I asked few of my OSS elite friends whether they will be
attending MOSC, they said that there's nothing much to see and going
attending it would be waste of time.

So while the participation of Microsoft do is an irritating fact, I
think there are also many other things to improve, if we want to get
back our geeks to attend next year's MOSC.

Just my 2 cents. :)


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> Hi guys
>
> Here's my take on MOSC 
> 2010http://ejn3.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-take-on-mosc-2010.html
>
> Enjoy
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Walter Heck - OlinData.com]

Hi All,

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 20:44, Chen Ruo Fei  wrote:
> My mind was thinking "what the hell" when I saw Microsoft being one of the
> only two main sponsors. M$ is pushing very hard to get into the open source
> community, and they will take whatever possible to attract clueless
> developers to use their platform.
I actually was surprised about how much of a backseat MS took.
Normally when they sponsor a conference their name is all over the
place. This conference, it was limited to a logo here and there, a
small booth and a keynote that I missed (on purpose, sleeping in was
so much more attractive ;) ). Believe me, I have seen this a lot
differently many times.

> By the way while I do agree that it is very important to get sponsors from
> open source giants such as Oracle rather than from Microsoft, it is also
> important to get more open source communities to really take part in the
> conference.
I guess this boils back down to the question of having a clear focus.
This MOSC was very confusing: was it a business conf or a hacker/geek
kind of conference. It seemed to be somewhere in between, which is a
lot harder as a speaker to cater to then either end of that spectrum.

> My friend also mentioned to me that the quality of speakers varied greatly.
> Its like MOSC just accepts as many presentations as possible to attract as
> many audience as possible. To me its like attracting the wrong crowd to the
> conference. Heck I don't even want to measure how much proportion of the
> audience truly appreciate open source. To cope with the technical level of
> these audience, majority of the talks are very introductory and I feel that
> it'd be better to put the title of these talks as "Introduction to XXX".
I got seriously concerned when I attended the drupal performance talk
just before doing my own zabbix talk. There, 3 or so people raised
their hand when the speaker asked how many people ever used Drupal.
How the hell can you expect someone to go in-depth on Drupal
performance when nobody has ever touched it? That's why I finished my
talk earlier, I didn't want to go as in-depth as I had planned. I
already feel like it was way too much in-depth anyway.

> When I asked few of my OSS elite friends whether they will be attending
> MOSC, they said that there's nothing much to see and going attending it
> would be waste of time.
I didn't think it was a waste of time, I learned a lot. Just not from
the sessions, more about meta-stuff :)

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Re: [osdcmy-public]

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super agree.

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:00 AM, CL Chow  wrote:

> about the lack of geeks attendance, wrong timing dude
> it's in the middle of a lot of other conferences, major is the hackinthebox
> in amsterdam...
> and it is also the busiest season of the year
>
> Regards,
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
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>> http://ejn3.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-take-on-mosc-2010.html
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 13:04, Azrul MADISA  wrote:
> Oh and finally, to OSDC/MDEC, this time around, please make the videos of
> the talk available publically... pleeease
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Chen Ruo Fei]

Azrul I agree with you on every aspects you mentioned. Great presentation
during the light talk!

My mind was thinking "what the hell" when I saw Microsoft being one of the
only two main sponsors. M$ is pushing very hard to get into the open source
community, and they will take whatever possible to attract clueless
developers to use their platform.

By the way while I do agree that it is very important to get sponsors from
open source giants such as Oracle rather than from Microsoft, it is also
important to get more open source communities to really take part in the
conference. Otherwise the conference would be too business oriented and
become a market place for Red Hat et al to sell their products to CIO/CTOs,
like what happened in OSSPAC.

My friend also mentioned to me that the quality of speakers varied greatly.
Its like MOSC just accepts as many presentations as possible to attract as
many audience as possible. To me its like attracting the wrong crowd to the
conference. Heck I don't even want to measure how much proportion of the
audience truly appreciate open source. To cope with the technical level of
these audience, majority of the talks are very introductory and I feel that
it'd be better to put the title of these talks as "Introduction to XXX".

I also feel that the environment is too large and too serious to have some
more casual sessions, like Ubuntu jam, PDF exploit workshop, and lightning
talks. The hall is so large and the distance between the speaker and
audience is so far that these sessions become more like lecturing, rather
than interactive session where discussions can be made without through the
microphone.

When I asked few of my OSS elite friends whether they will be attending
MOSC, they said that there's nothing much to see and going attending it
would be waste of time.

So while the participation of Microsoft do is an irritating fact, I think
there are also many other things to improve, if we want to get back our
geeks to attend next year's MOSC.

Just my 2 cents. :)


cheers,

Soares

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> maybe we should start make our own fund..
> just donate in an account, collect it for a year and then, the money for
> conference!
> minimizing microsoft "appears" in others MOSC and show the world that
> Malaysian OSS community are unite..
> and everyone happy :)
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:16 PM, aziman noor  wrote:
>
>> "No develop No Gain."
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:07 PM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>> If Malaysia is to build another national car, it will cost us taxpayers
>>> billions. If Malaysia is to build another Twin Tower it will cost us again
>>> billions. Now Malaysia is building more F1 cars, again more money. But to
>>> build a top of the charts SourceForge project it cost us nothing. Only me in
>>> this farm here with a ADSL line. No MDec, no grant, no bodek. It is time
>>> someone beat my goal post rather than hate me for pointing out the obvious.
>>> But i have to. I am not on the rest of the world's side. I am on my side.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/7/10 3:27 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
>>>
>>> I doubt it.
>>>
>>> Even the first motto/slogan/tagline "Open Source Towards Malaysia as
>>> Developed Country in 2020", to show that we should use Open Source as
>>> platform to become Developed Country, was shot down for the sake of getting
>>> money from one of the Proprietary company that sponsoring the event.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>>>
 Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not
 some cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)


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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[solitude...@hotmail]

next time, submit your
nominations.  suggesting like this is after the fact.

On 7/7/2010 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in
Malaysia', and not some cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)
  
  
  
  On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, red1 
wrote:
  Azrul,
No one can escape a MS encrouchment into the open playing field. They
have the money and we don't. See how MySQL is now in Oracle's grasp.
Where will all their former taliban go? That is why we have to become
owners (read producers) rather than users (read penelan air liur).
Wouldn't it be nice if MOSC showcase all Malaysian own ori takeaways?
Can MDec take the challenge? Seriously doubted.


On 7/7/10 1:01 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:

Frankly, at first, I did not want to come either. Seeing another
Microsoft competition in MOSC makes me feel pathetic as an open source
geek. As if we can be bought over that easily. But then again, I do
value my friends. MDeC already cut down their budget tremendously, and
if I decided to abandon them too, what kind of friend would I be. So I
close my eyes and swallow the Microsoft 'milk' and hope for the best.
Unfortunately, I was disappointed... but if it's for my friends, it's
ok I guess  :)
  
Azrul



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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Walter Heck - OlinData.com]

Not having the conf in an expensive hotel downtown should already save
shitloads of money and cut out a lot of the "wrong" audience. Then,
finding companies to do small sponsorships should not be too hard.
If I'm still around when the time comes closer next year, our startup
tribily (http://tribily.com) will definitely be interested in
providing some no strings-attached sponsorship (don't have super-large
budgets though, but all bits help, right?). I believe that these kinds
of events should be free from companies trying to push their agenda.
It's about the geeks and the knowledge-sharing. If you want
marketing-opportunities, go somewhere else :)

Walter

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>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
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>>
>> maybe we should start make our own fund..
>> just donate in an account, collect it for a year and then, the money for
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>> minimizing microsoft "appears" in others MOSC and show the world that
>> Malaysian OSS community are unite..
>> and everyone happy :)
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Penguin Masuk Kampung - Batu Gajah, Perak : Exhibition Item Needed!

[arora anne]

anywebsite regarding this event...I m keen give a talk about network
security using linux tools

On 7/5/10, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, arora anne wrote:
>
>> ok shoud no problem..any help for the talk also ok.
>>
>
> ann,
>
> can you update where, when this event happened?
> a roadmap to the location also might be handy
> tentative can be update here also
>
> thanks :)
>
>
>>
>> On 7/4/10, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini  wrote:
>> > Hi all! :)
>> >
>> > Hope you guys had a great weekend after successfully manage a great
>> > conference. I's been a pleasure to be with the team, although my picture
>> > this year are quite smoky and dark :(
>> >
>> > Anyway, I got another project that really need community help. Like I
>> > mention at the subject, Pengion Masuk Kampung (penguinmasukkampung.org)
>> in
>> > conjuction with UTM student (I'm not quite sure what program is, later
>> will
>> > update about it) are planning to make this program happened at Batu
>> Gajah,
>> > Perak (if got exact location, please update this mail). I will be there
>> as
>> > all Malaysia community members.
>> >
>> > The reason I'm make this topic is there's an exhibition happen there.
>> > So,
>> > because I'm alone, I lack of item that can be exhibit or to give away to
>> the
>> > crowd. There's maybe about 30-40 people will be attend for talk/workshop
>> and
>> > hundreds of them for the exhibition. What really need is:-
>> >
>> >
>> >- Bunting or banners - hope that all community (Ubuntu-my, DebMal,
>> >MyOpenSuSE, PCBSD, etc) can borrow at least one of your banner please
>> :)
>> >- Fliers, LiveCD - same as above description, but the CD's will be
>> give
>> >away upon request.
>> >- Goodies, freebies, T-Shirt - it's not for me, but for the crowd. I
>> >might be making some lucky draw or quiz, so these item might be help
>> for
>> > the
>> >session.
>> >- Business cards - please leave it if you have one (with community
>> logo
>> >on it). I'll try to find your business opportunities there.
>> >
>> > Be please to hand over these item to *Harisfazillah Jamel* before
>> > *Wednesday,
>> > 7th July 2010*.
>> >
>> > Really appreciate and thank in advance for supporting this event and
>> > I'll
>> > try update with some photo :)
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Bantuan Bengkel FOSS Khidmat Masyarakat Batu Gajah- JKM KTHO

[arora anne]

boleh join dimana naik bas tu

2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> boss..
>
> tanya balik, ape barang dapat ye?
> penganjur nak tanye dulu..
> kot2 takut kena ikat atas bas :)
>
> 2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
> hari khamis dalam pukul 6.30 - 7 malam
>>
>> nanti update semula.
>>
>> 2010/7/6 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>
>> Syuzwan,
>>>
>>> Bas dari UTM JB akan tiba bila khamis tu...
>>>
>>> Harap dapat maklum...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, darXness darXness 
>>> wrote:
>>> > hmm...menarik gak.tp masalah tempat lak.kalo ade trnasport...ok
>>> jerk...huhuhu
>>> >
>>> > 2010/7/4 Harisfazillah Jamel :
>>> >> Berapa orang? Harap penganjur boleh sertai list kita ni...
>>> >>
>>> >> 2010/7/4 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>>> >>> cantik..
>>> >>>
>>> >>> pasal nak dapatkan barang tu nanti saya deal dengan penganjur..
>>> >>> atau paling mudah hantar dalam parcel guna KTM punya ekspress..
>>> >>> hantar petang, esok pagi saya boleh ambil :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> any community want to send their freebies also tak? don't care bags,
>>> tshirt
>>> >>> (nak buat lucky draw kalau dapat), CD's, fliers, posters, etc..please
>>> >>> contact with en harisfazillah ye :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 00:21 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Terima kasih Wan... Goodies tu Fazli ok dan rasanya Ubuntu-my tiada
>>> >>> masalah. Hanya nak ambil dimana. Nak pos mcm lambat nak sampai...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ada sumbangan goodies tempat lain?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2010/7/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>>>  mungkin saya boleh membantu..
>>>  tapi tak ade la otai pun..
>>> 
>>>  2010/7/3 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>> >
>>> > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera
>>> >
>>> > Ada yang free 8 Julai 2010 (Jumaat)  Harap ada sudi
>>> membantu
>>> >
>>> > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295027415255
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>>> >
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Bantuan Bengkel FOSS Khidmat Masyarakat Batu Gajah- JKM KTHO

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Wan,

Boleh dapatkan alamat penuh kampung dan tempat aktiviti.

2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
> boss..
> tanya balik, ape barang dapat ye?
> penganjur nak tanye dulu..
> kot2 takut kena ikat atas bas :)
>
> 2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>
>> hari khamis dalam pukul 6.30 - 7 malam
>> nanti update semula.
>>
>> 2010/7/6 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>>
>>> Syuzwan,
>>>
>>> Bas dari UTM JB akan tiba bila khamis tu...
>>>
>>> Harap dapat maklum...
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

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jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> maybe we should start make our own fund..
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

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maybe we should start make our own fund..
just donate in an account, collect it for a year and then, the money for
conference!
minimizing microsoft "appears" in others MOSC and show the world that
Malaysian OSS community are unite..
and everyone happy :)

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:16 PM, aziman noor  wrote:

> "No develop No Gain."
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:07 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>> If Malaysia is to build another national car, it will cost us taxpayers
>> billions. If Malaysia is to build another Twin Tower it will cost us again
>> billions. Now Malaysia is building more F1 cars, again more money. But to
>> build a top of the charts SourceForge project it cost us nothing. Only me in
>> this farm here with a ADSL line. No MDec, no grant, no bodek. It is time
>> someone beat my goal post rather than hate me for pointing out the obvious.
>> But i have to. I am not on the rest of the world's side. I am on my side.
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/10 3:27 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
>>
>> I doubt it.
>>
>> Even the first motto/slogan/tagline "Open Source Towards Malaysia as
>> Developed Country in 2020", to show that we should use Open Source as
>> platform to become Developed Country, was shot down for the sake of getting
>> money from one of the Proprietary company that sponsoring the event.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>>
>>> Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[aziman noor]

"No develop No Gain."

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:07 PM, red1  wrote:

> If Malaysia is to build another national car, it will cost us taxpayers
> billions. If Malaysia is to build another Twin Tower it will cost us again
> billions. Now Malaysia is building more F1 cars, again more money. But to
> build a top of the charts SourceForge project it cost us nothing. Only me in
> this farm here with a ADSL line. No MDec, no grant, no bodek. It is time
> someone beat my goal post rather than hate me for pointing out the obvious.
> But i have to. I am not on the rest of the world's side. I am on my side.
>
>
> On 7/7/10 3:27 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Even the first motto/slogan/tagline "Open Source Towards Malaysia as
> Developed Country in 2020", to show that we should use Open Source as
> platform to become Developed Country, was shot down for the sake of getting
> money from one of the Proprietary company that sponsoring the event.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA  wrote:
>
>> Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not
>> some cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)
>>
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[red1]

If Malaysia is to build another national car, it will cost us taxpayers
billions. If Malaysia is to build another Twin Tower it will cost us
again billions. Now Malaysia is building more F1 cars, again more
money. But to build a top of the charts SourceForge project it cost us
nothing. Only me in this farm here with a ADSL line. No MDec, no grant,
no bodek. It is time someone beat my goal post rather than hate me for
pointing out the obvious. But i have to. I am not on the rest of the
world's side. I am on my side.

On 7/7/10 3:27 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
I doubt it.
  
Even the first motto/slogan/tagline "Open Source Towards Malaysia as
Developed Country in 2020", to show that we should use Open Source as
platform to become Developed Country, was shot down for the sake of
getting money from one of the Proprietary company that sponsoring the
event.
  
  
  
  On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA
  
wrote:
  Our
next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not some
cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)




  
  

 





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[osdcmy-public] Re: Bantuan Bengkel FOSS Khidmat Masyarakat Batu Gajah- JKM KTHO

[cikgu ayob]

alahai...x jauh rasanya dengan sayadi bidor (perak)..ni..
masalahnya...hari jumaat ni..masih sekolah lagi..
ada x perlu bantuan?

On Jul 6, 6:17 pm, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
wrote:
> boss..
>
> tanya balik, ape barang dapat ye?
> penganjur nak tanye dulu..
> kot2 takut kena ikat atas bas :)
>
> 2010/7/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
>
>
>
>
> > hari khamis dalam pukul 6.30 - 7 malam
>
> > nanti update semula.
>
> > 2010/7/6 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>
> > Syuzwan,
>
> >> Bas dari UTM JB akan tiba bila khamis tu...
>
> >> Harap dapat maklum...
>
> >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, darXness darXness 
> >> wrote:
> >> > hmm...menarik gak.tp masalah tempat lak.kalo ade trnasport...ok
> >> jerk...huhuhu
>
> >> > 2010/7/4 Harisfazillah Jamel :
> >> >> Berapa orang? Harap penganjur boleh sertai list kita ni...
>
> >> >> 2010/7/4 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
> >> >>> cantik..
>
> >> >>> pasal nak dapatkan barang tu nanti saya deal dengan penganjur..
> >> >>> atau paling mudah hantar dalam parcel guna KTM punya ekspress..
> >> >>> hantar petang, esok pagi saya boleh ambil :)
>
> >> >>> any community want to send their freebies also tak? don't care bags,
> >> tshirt
> >> >>> (nak buat lucky draw kalau dapat), CD's, fliers, posters, etc..please
> >> >>> contact with en harisfazillah ye :)
>
> >> >>> On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 00:21 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>
> >> >>> Terima kasih Wan... Goodies tu Fazli ok dan rasanya Ubuntu-my tiada
> >> >>> masalah. Hanya nak ambil dimana. Nak pos mcm lambat nak sampai...
>
> >> >>> Ada sumbangan goodies tempat lain?
>
> >> >>> 2010/7/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
> >>  mungkin saya boleh membantu..
> >>  tapi tak ade la otai pun..
>
> >>  2010/7/3 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>
> >> > Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera
>
> >> > Ada yang free 8 Julai 2010 (Jumaat)  Harap ada sudi membantu
>
> >> >http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295027415255
>
> >> > Email kepada saya linuxmalay...@harisfazillah.info
> >> >>>  
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

I doubt it.

Even the first motto/slogan/tagline "Open Source Towards Malaysia as
Developed Country in 2020", to show that we should use Open Source as
platform to become Developed Country, was shot down for the sake of getting
money from one of the Proprietary company that sponsoring the event.



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA  wrote:

> Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not some
> cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>> Azrul,
>> No one can escape a MS encrouchment into the open playing field. They have
>> the money and we don't. See how MySQL is now in Oracle's grasp. Where will
>> all their former taliban go? That is why we have to become owners (read
>> producers) rather than users (read penelan air liur). Wouldn't it be nice if
>> MOSC showcase all Malaysian own ori takeaways? Can MDec take the challenge?
>> Seriously doubted.
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/10 1:01 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>>
>>> Frankly, at first, I did not want to come either. Seeing another
>>> Microsoft competition in MOSC makes me feel pathetic as an open source geek.
>>> As if we can be bought over that easily. But then again, I do value my
>>> friends. MDeC already cut down their budget tremendously, and if I decided
>>> to abandon them too, what kind of friend would I be. So I close my eyes and
>>> swallow the Microsoft 'milk' and hope for the best. Unfortunately, I was
>>> disappointed... but if it's for my friends, it's ok I guess  :)
>>>
>>> Azrul
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[CL Chow]

lol the source is yours is completely proprietary friendly lol
totally depicted the situation of sun

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA  wrote:

> Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not some
> cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>> Azrul,
>> No one can escape a MS encrouchment into the open playing field. They have
>> the money and we don't. See how MySQL is now in Oracle's grasp. Where will
>> all their former taliban go? That is why we have to become owners (read
>> producers) rather than users (read penelan air liur). Wouldn't it be nice if
>> MOSC showcase all Malaysian own ori takeaways? Can MDec take the challenge?
>> Seriously doubted.
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/10 1:01 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>>
>>> Frankly, at first, I did not want to come either. Seeing another
>>> Microsoft competition in MOSC makes me feel pathetic as an open source geek.
>>> As if we can be bought over that easily. But then again, I do value my
>>> friends. MDeC already cut down their budget tremendously, and if I decided
>>> to abandon them too, what kind of friend would I be. So I close my eyes and
>>> swallow the Microsoft 'milk' and hope for the best. Unfortunately, I was
>>> disappointed... but if it's for my friends, it's ok I guess  :)
>>>
>>> Azrul
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Sumardi Shukor]

110% agree!


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Azrul MADISA  wrote:


> Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not some
> cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[Azrul MADISA]

Our next MOSC motto should probably be 'OSS made in Malaysia', and not some
cliched slogan like 'The source is yours' :)



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, red1  wrote:

> Azrul,
> No one can escape a MS encrouchment into the open playing field. They have
> the money and we don't. See how MySQL is now in Oracle's grasp. Where will
> all their former taliban go? That is why we have to become owners (read
> producers) rather than users (read penelan air liur). Wouldn't it be nice if
> MOSC showcase all Malaysian own ori takeaways? Can MDec take the challenge?
> Seriously doubted.
>
>
> On 7/7/10 1:01 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>
>> Frankly, at first, I did not want to come either. Seeing another Microsoft
>> competition in MOSC makes me feel pathetic as an open source geek. As if we
>> can be bought over that easily. But then again, I do value my friends. MDeC
>> already cut down their budget tremendously, and if I decided to abandon them
>> too, what kind of friend would I be. So I close my eyes and swallow the
>> Microsoft 'milk' and hope for the best. Unfortunately, I was disappointed...
>> but if it's for my friends, it's ok I guess  :)
>>
>> Azrul
>>
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Re: [osdcmy-public]

[red1]

Azrul,
No one can escape a MS encrouchment into the open playing field. They 
have the money and we don't. See how MySQL is now in Oracle's grasp. 
Where will all their former taliban go? That is why we have to become 
owners (read producers) rather than users (read penelan air liur). 
Wouldn't it be nice if MOSC showcase all Malaysian own ori takeaways? 
Can MDec take the challenge? Seriously doubted.


On 7/7/10 1:01 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
Frankly, at first, I did not want to come either. Seeing another 
Microsoft competition in MOSC makes me feel pathetic as an open source 
geek. As if we can be bought over that easily. But then again, I do 
value my friends. MDeC already cut down their budget tremendously, and 
if I decided to abandon them too, what kind of friend would I be. So I 
close my eyes and swallow the Microsoft 'milk' and hope for the best. 
Unfortunately, I was disappointed... but if it's for my friends, it's 
ok I guess  :)


Azrul


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