[osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
Sdr Haris dan J/K Penaja OSDC.my Dengan kenyataan terbaru saudara tadi, menunjukkan kepenatan yang teramat untuk bergerak. Sekali lagi saya ingin membangkitkan soal pendaftaran persatuan ini kerana kononnya dengan kejayaan OSDC.my diiktiraf sebagai sebuah persatuan yang sah akan membolehkan ia menerima dana sokongan daripada MDeC. Dengan keadaan yang sebegini hampa, nampaknya kemungkinan itu semakin jauh. Saya cukup tertunggu-tunggu pendaftaran tersebut kerana memang banyak isu yang saya ingin bangkitkan menerusi wadah OSDC.my secara sah, bernas dan rasmi. Antara lain, saya masih tertanya-tanya tentang kenyataan rasmi MDeC tahun lepas mengenai peruntukan RM10 juta bagi sumber terbuka. Jawapan yang saya terima hanyalah tohmahan dan kritikan yang tidak bersasas dengan menggunakan nama MDeC. Saya merasakan nama baik dan perjuangan murni rakan-rakan termasuk saya sendiri harus dipertahankan dan diteruskan dengan natijah kesudahan yang baik. Saya percaya banyak perkara kita sama boleh laksanakan tetapi tidak perlulah saya memperjelaskan satu-persatu. Cukuplah setakat ini saya menyatakan bahawa pendafataran OSDC.my yang dikatakan disokong oleh MDeC telah menemui jalan buntu. Saya merasakan telah tiba masanya kita teruskan perjuangan secara berpersatuan yang sah dari segi undang-undang untuk membangkitkan isu-isu berkaitan dan dasar-dasar kerajaan terhadap penggunaan sumber terbuka serta potensinya untuk menjimatkan berbillion dollar secara tahunan. Apa pendapat anda semua jikalau kita menubuhkan sebuah pertubuhan yang lain yang bebas dan tidak terkongkong dengan MDeC atau mana-mana institusi negara yang lain kerana jelas ia sebenarnya membantutkan pergerakan kita? Yang Berjuang Redhuan D. Oon -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
nope..we don't have any AGM since last year, after MSC OSCON 2009 (I think). kalau masih nak teruskan pendaftaran dengan ROS, I'm volunteering myself to do the registration. JANGAN CAKAP BANYAK DAN BUAT KERJA! :) On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran mfazliaz...@gmail.comwrote: Yoo!!! I think OSDC.MY are to big for any people here want to handle everything. OSDC.MY have many are to focus and even better small community like fedora, ubuntu, pcbsd, wordcamp, python, ruby, android, joomla, drupal, owasp or other community not i lists here. What we can do is OSDC.MY just focus only one to manage this all community and help them to organize small event and mini-conf that required from community. My point is OSDC.MY just be part on administration. Just consider when i get this experience join the mainstream world 2 years back and i see everybody have their attention and agenda. SO i believe OSDC.MY will remind administration part and other community would support and give commitment. BUT who are the person would take in-charge and are the dare to take a risk because it need full commitment, time, energy money to continue the survival or OSDC.MY. I also not qualified to do that. It need that person have enough abd good experience on Management, Administration and of course Project Manager. No need the Leader must have expert or master on OSS just noted they know what is OSS about and can manage OSDC.MY from below to the top. I not denied money will get involve on this but surely who are the people are dare to take this challenge. I think it time to make new AGM for OSDC.MY and please do it hotel or place that people can come and raise any doubt and comment. Please give the good critic rather then bad critic it only show we are like stone age. Are we ready to have new AGM? Mohd Fazli Azran 2010/10/4 Redzuan Affandi® redz...@gmail.com All, On event organising - MOSC2011 etc ... probably we can consider working / partnering with an event management company. On the OSDC.my or the legal process of setting up a Malaysian Open Source Community association / group or whatsoever - certain process takes time and i don't think this was the main topic / issue raised by Bro Haris in his earlier posting. Original posting was on MOSC2011. Probably we should give attention and focus on that first. thanks Redzuan Affandi® ”...the ability or inability of societies to master technology, and particularly technologies that are strategically decisive in each historical period, largely shapes their destiny…” Manuel Castells, The Rise of the Network Society (1996) 2010/10/4 azril.na...@gmail.com we need to learn from outside. Example how qik.com started Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:22:00 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia itu 10mil as usual lah Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 2010/10/4 azril.na...@gmail.com May the force with you. So what happened to promised 10mil? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * lutfi raffi lutfira...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:10:53 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia Al-Maunah? hehe... saya tetap join sifuuuq 2010/10/4 CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com pirate party? Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 2010/10/4 red1 r...@red1.org Sdr Haris dan J/K Penaja OSDC.my Dengan kenyataan terbaru saudara tadi, menunjukkan kepenatan yang teramat untuk bergerak. Sekali lagi saya ingin membangkitkan soal pendaftaran persatuan ini kerana kononnya dengan kejayaan OSDC.my diiktiraf sebagai sebuah persatuan yang sah akan membolehkan ia menerima dana sokongan daripada MDeC. Dengan keadaan yang sebegini hampa, nampaknya kemungkinan itu semakin jauh. Saya cukup tertunggu-tunggu pendaftaran tersebut kerana memang banyak isu yang saya ingin bangkitkan menerusi wadah OSDC.my secara sah, bernas dan rasmi. Antara lain, saya masih tertanya-tanya tentang kenyataan rasmi MDeC tahun lepas mengenai peruntukan RM10 juta bagi sumber terbuka. Jawapan yang saya terima hanyalah tohmahan dan kritikan yang tidak bersasas dengan menggunakan nama MDeC. Saya merasakan nama baik dan perjuangan murni rakan-rakan termasuk saya sendiri harus
Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
Al-Maunah? hehe... saya tetap join sifuuuq 2010/10/4 CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com pirate party? Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 2010/10/4 red1 r...@red1.org Sdr Haris dan J/K Penaja OSDC.my Dengan kenyataan terbaru saudara tadi, menunjukkan kepenatan yang teramat untuk bergerak. Sekali lagi saya ingin membangkitkan soal pendaftaran persatuan ini kerana kononnya dengan kejayaan OSDC.my diiktiraf sebagai sebuah persatuan yang sah akan membolehkan ia menerima dana sokongan daripada MDeC. Dengan keadaan yang sebegini hampa, nampaknya kemungkinan itu semakin jauh. Saya cukup tertunggu-tunggu pendaftaran tersebut kerana memang banyak isu yang saya ingin bangkitkan menerusi wadah OSDC.my secara sah, bernas dan rasmi. Antara lain, saya masih tertanya-tanya tentang kenyataan rasmi MDeC tahun lepas mengenai peruntukan RM10 juta bagi sumber terbuka. Jawapan yang saya terima hanyalah tohmahan dan kritikan yang tidak bersasas dengan menggunakan nama MDeC. Saya merasakan nama baik dan perjuangan murni rakan-rakan termasuk saya sendiri harus dipertahankan dan diteruskan dengan natijah kesudahan yang baik. Saya percaya banyak perkara kita sama boleh laksanakan tetapi tidak perlulah saya memperjelaskan satu-persatu. *Cukuplah setakat ini saya menyatakan bahawa pendafataran OSDC.my yang dikatakan disokong oleh MDeC telah menemui jalan buntu. * Saya merasakan telah tiba masanya kita teruskan perjuangan secara berpersatuan yang sah dari segi undang-undang untuk membangkitkan isu-isu berkaitan dan dasar-dasar kerajaan terhadap penggunaan sumber terbuka serta potensinya untuk menjimatkan berbillion dollar secara tahunan. *Apa pendapat anda semua jikalau kita menubuhkan sebuah pertubuhan yang lain yang bebas dan tidak terkongkong dengan MDeC atau mana-mana institusi negara yang lain kerana jelas ia sebenarnya membantutkan pergerakan kita? * Yang Berjuang Redhuan D. Oon -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comosdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comosdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
JAWAPAN yang sedemikian contoh dari seorang pegawai MDeC (yang saya cuba ingin faham tetapi gagal) menyokong sebabnya saya memanggil untuk satu pertubuhan bebas yang tidak perlu lagi merujuk atau mengemis dari mana-mana institusi kerajaan. Izinkan saya petik dari kata-kata Dato Salleh Majid semasa beliau tulis dalam Utusan Melayu tidak lama dahulu tentang perjuangan kaum Bumiputra dibawah MEB (walaupun saya bukan Bumi tetapi Cina Muslim). Masa itu saya bersarapan dengan beliau dan Dato telah menguatkan tanggapannya bahawa SME Bank dan institusi lain seumpamanya sebenarnya tidak membantu dalam semangat keusahawanan Bumiputera tetapi lebih kepada menghalang. In his own words, Get out of our way adalah baik bagi kaumnya sendiri. MDeC sendiri yang berjanji untuk memberikan RM10 juta kepada aliran sumber terbuka. Namun prosesnya tetap sama seolah tidak ada janji tersebut. Masih perlu borang yang sama dan lama dan tidak ada borang khas yang baru yang khusus untuk sumber terbuka. Perkara ini telah disahkan oleh beberapa daripada kami di sini semasa kami cuba mengutarakan perkara ini. Tak apalah.. tak baik bergaduh sekiranya hilang bahasa. Cukuplah sekadar saya tinggal dengan gesaan untuk menubuhkan sebuah pertubuhan tersebut. Nanti sudah tertubuh, barulah kita boleh bermesyuarat dengan bebas, tenang dan siuman dan menentukan resolusi yang bakal dikemukakan kepada pihak kerajaan. Antara resolusinya akan saya bertanyakan peranan MDeC yang sebenarnya. Sekian memohon maaf zahir bathin sekiranya bahasa saya masih kurang elok. Yang Ikhlas Redhuan On 10/4/10 4:41 PM, rafe azsnal wrote: all of you guys are funny!! reading this make me feel like i am in a children mailing list rather that the actual fighter of an actual course! tell me red1 onn in what way that MDeC is controlling OSDC.MY??? lay down the prove and be brave and show what you have in your hand rather that all this mambo jombo! haris! time and time again have we encourage you and your team mate to see which is on the highest priority. now OSDC.my have funding and proper bank account which i believe can sustain for a year or two. make an executive decision where the importance of the community is concern. stop asking of what people will say and start making it happened. fazli, you and your team mate has done a good job on MOSC2010 for a newbiez and i believed next year around you will have more experience to hand manage people and coordination. dont stop now or all your effort will just go down the drain. on AGM wtf!! why u want to do this when the actual paper to ROS is not finalize? see the importance of those little get it done. :) guys, those with family have different priority and those who don't do also have a different priority WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A GROUP OF VOLUNTEER? 24x7 ke punya kerja ka?. apa gilee? cakap free boleh lah... ini teh tarik sapa mau bayar... you guys kalau betul fighting for a course get your act together lah and make it happened lah. jangan jadi tin kosong sudalah... betul lah?? on the RM10 Mil issue, since day 1 i did see any paper coming into MDeC on proposing anything! now you talking c*ck what for lah? aiyooo susah mau cakap ini macam bukan tada ajar suda ajar tapi tak mau paham jugak.. huh... after seeing hundred of email flying here and there, some more got some email also from k-what ever shit apa suda jadi. sometimes people forget that this is a government agencies which nowdays we are better which we share a lots of information together. as i said before i be more that happy to help if ONLY you help yourself. kan? kan? ermmm. but it ok guys.. it was fun while it lasted maybe some how some day our path come across together again. insyaAllah. regards. rafe... On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Mohd Fazli Azranmfazliaz...@gmail.com wrote: Yoo!!! I think OSDC.MY are to big for any people here want to handle everything. OSDC.MY have many are to focus and even better small community like fedora, ubuntu, pcbsd, wordcamp, python, ruby, android, joomla, drupal, owasp or other community not i lists here. What we can do is OSDC.MY just focus only one to manage this all community and help them to organize small event and mini-conf that required from community. My point is OSDC.MY just be part on administration. Just consider when i get this experience join the mainstream world 2 years back and i see everybody have their attention and agenda. SO i believe OSDC.MY will remind administration part and other community would support and give commitment. BUT who are the person would take in-charge and are the dare to take a risk because it need full commitment, time, energy money to continue the survival or OSDC.MY. I also not qualified to do that. It need that person have enough abd good experience on Management, Administration and of course Project Manager. No need the Leader must have expert or master on OSS just noted they know what is OSS about and can manage OSDC.MY from below to the top. I
Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
Mungkin maksud wan jangan cakap saja..buat kerja..jom ramai2 utm skudai pada sabtu ni okeh On 4 Oct 2010 17:28, saiful akusai...@gmail.com wrote: -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia
Yoo!!! I think OSDC.MY are to big for any people here want to handle everything. OSDC.MY have many are to focus and even better small community like fedora, ubuntu, pcbsd, wordcamp, python, ruby, android, joomla, drupal, owasp or other community not i lists here. What we can do is OSDC.MY just focus only one to manage this all community and help them to organize small event and mini-conf that required from community. My point is OSDC.MY just be part on administration. Just consider when i get this experience join the mainstream world 2 years back and i see everybody have their attention and agenda. SO i believe OSDC.MY will remind administration part and other community would support and give commitment. BUT who are the person would take in-charge and are the dare to take a risk because it need full commitment, time, energy money to continue the survival or OSDC.MY. I also not qualified to do that. It need that person have enough abd good experience on Management, Administration and of course Project Manager. No need the Leader must have expert or master on OSS just noted they know what is OSS about and can manage OSDC.MY from below to the top. I not denied money will get involve on this but surely who are the people are dare to take this challenge. I think it time to make new AGM for OSDC.MY and please do it hotel or place that people can come and raise any doubt and comment. Please give the good critic rather then bad critic it only show we are like stone age. Are we ready to have new AGM? Mohd Fazli Azran 2010/10/4 Redzuan Affandi® redz...@gmail.com All, On event organising - MOSC2011 etc ... probably we can consider working / partnering with an event management company. On the OSDC.my or the legal process of setting up a Malaysian Open Source Community association / group or whatsoever - certain process takes time and i don't think this was the main topic / issue raised by Bro Haris in his earlier posting. Original posting was on MOSC2011. Probably we should give attention and focus on that first. thanks Redzuan Affandi® ”...the ability or inability of societies to master technology, and particularly technologies that are strategically decisive in each historical period, largely shapes their destiny…” Manuel Castells, The Rise of the Network Society (1996) 2010/10/4 azril.na...@gmail.com we need to learn from outside. Example how qik.com started Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:22:00 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia itu 10mil as usual lah Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 2010/10/4 azril.na...@gmail.com May the force with you. So what happened to promised 10mil? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * lutfi raffi lutfira...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:10:53 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy-public] Masa Depan Perjuangan Open Source di Malaysia Al-Maunah? hehe... saya tetap join sifuuuq 2010/10/4 CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com pirate party? Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 2010/10/4 red1 r...@red1.org Sdr Haris dan J/K Penaja OSDC.my Dengan kenyataan terbaru saudara tadi, menunjukkan kepenatan yang teramat untuk bergerak. Sekali lagi saya ingin membangkitkan soal pendaftaran persatuan ini kerana kononnya dengan kejayaan OSDC.my diiktiraf sebagai sebuah persatuan yang sah akan membolehkan ia menerima dana sokongan daripada MDeC. Dengan keadaan yang sebegini hampa, nampaknya kemungkinan itu semakin jauh. Saya cukup tertunggu-tunggu pendaftaran tersebut kerana memang banyak isu yang saya ingin bangkitkan menerusi wadah OSDC.my secara sah, bernas dan rasmi. Antara lain, saya masih tertanya-tanya tentang kenyataan rasmi MDeC tahun lepas mengenai peruntukan RM10 juta bagi sumber terbuka. Jawapan yang saya terima hanyalah tohmahan dan kritikan yang tidak bersasas dengan menggunakan nama MDeC. Saya merasakan nama baik dan perjuangan murni rakan-rakan termasuk saya sendiri harus dipertahankan dan diteruskan dengan natijah kesudahan yang baik. Saya percaya banyak perkara kita sama boleh laksanakan tetapi tidak perlulah saya memperjelaskan satu-persatu. *Cukuplah setakat ini saya menyatakan bahawa pendafataran OSDC.my yang dikatakan disokong oleh MDeC telah menemui jalan buntu. * Saya merasakan
