Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

Raja,
That phrase has already been hijacked by the Cina apek:
"Lu mau mati kah??!!!"

On 3/17/11 12:14 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

  what happened to the phrase 'berani mati' ?




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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

imho, oscc is a unique organisation within the public sector. it is bold
enough to fail. and realistic enough to know that it will not win all
battles, and will not win any wars.

a case in point is the battle for the desktop.

but look at the number of govt web sites and applications using oss. there
are so many web sub-systems like sispan. starting out as a system for
schools in a small district of perak, and now deserved enough attention that
pemandu wants to put in millions to scale up the application. openhis is
also another current example.

since the start of oscc in 2004, it has started breaking up vendor depedency
(lock-in) for web applications and infrastructure. before this, web
applications was the exclusive recluse of large companies hiring programmers
from india creating 'bloated' (opppss... sorry, i meant 'not optimised for
local situation') systems like hrmis.

if there are any programmers from india reading this, i am sorry. it is the
organisations that i blame for their sub-contract and 'lepas tangan'
attitude.

oss also provided a channel to 'circumvent' limited budget constraints and
tedious procurement processes for many ict depts within the govt.

maybe, oscc could have done better, or should have achieved much more.
maybe. but at least it existed and did make a difference to some people.

it is the small wins that we should be looking at, and replicating it and
making it better. and rejoicing and be grateful for. if we keep on sniffing
and hunting down for failures and mistakes, we will never find out what
works and how to move forward.

i remember the earlier days in linux, when anything that worked was a joy.
now it seems that we are on a path of always trying to find fault, instead
of learning from other successes. what happened to the phrase 'berani mati'
?




2011/3/17 

> Saya bagi contoh satu, bekas pelajar Matrikulasi pernah menag dalam
> pertandingan OpenOffice di India 2 tahun lepas tak silap, nanti saya korek
> sikit maklumat.
> Memang masalah dokumentasi ni remeh. Pastu di Malaysia tak banyak kita
> war2kan di dunia.
> Tapi saya yakin ada sinar, kalau kita dapat satu hati, dengan mengenepikan
> pandangan peribadi masing-masing.
> OpenOffice memang dah dipasang secara total di government agencies,
> penggunaannya je menjadi tanda tanya. Kalau di semua kolej matrikulasi pula,
> kita bukan sekadar memasang OpenOffice, kita juga bertindak menyahpasang
> Microsoft Office.
> Kalau nak numbers atau figures, saya boleh senaraikan. Tapi tak boleh
> jadikan bahan bukti sebab tak official di sini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
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> *From: * Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:57:31 +0800
> *To: *
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> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
> IT.
>
> MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
> cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.
>
> Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
> sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
> menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
> menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
> MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?
>
> Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
> MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
> ni?
>
> Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?
>
> Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
> pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
> Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?
>
> Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?
>
> Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
>> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
>> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
>> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
>> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Go

Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

[red1]

Hi Ghodmode,
I wonder what you refer to is already meant so in GPLv3 as espoused by
His Highness RMS. If i remembered my readings correctly, RMS was wary
of the mischief doings of Steve Jobs in some apps probably ITunes where
it used GNU-linked (hope RMS smiles on me) code which was taken from
GPLv2 to sell apps, thus making money and locking in the users the
freedom to improve on the app. which u know will lead to free beer, and
of course free songs all over again.

Anyway, i am against copyrighting. Would you settle for copyleft?

On 3/16/11 3:32 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage"
event on the OSDC.my.  Since Facebook is definitely not free, but
applications developed for it potentially are free, is there such as a
thing as "closed core"?
  
I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I
haven't heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't
wait to start suing people! :)
  
Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
  
Thank you.
  
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

[Ghodmode]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

> Just curious, how many of you actually read the 440 page report? ;)
> Yeah, couldn't get through it either.
>

me either :(



> It seems to me that aside from pricing which needs to be somehow
> proportional to GDP/head, another issue is timing. Media need to be
> universally available at the same time. Staggering the release of your
> movie/software/whatever based on geography no longer makes sense.
>

ya that process is definitely broken.

Here's an interesting related fact... New Hollywood movies arrive in New
Zealand up to three months later than they do in Malaysia.  Malaysia usually
gets them at the same time as the US.  That's especially significant because
they must be censored and subtitled (twice: Malay and Mandarin) before they
are shown.  I have no idea why the movies in NZ are delayed so much.

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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

[Ghodmode]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> As i remember, FB apps are copyrighted by the apps developer themself,
> unless it is stated as opensource.
>

Right.  We have the option to make the code for the Facebook apps we develop
free, but the Facebook platform code isn't available to us.

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Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from Sabily-my

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

InsyaAllah, will do
Tajul Azhar

-Original Message-
From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:34:16 
To: 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from 
Sabily-my

Can its be upload to scribd and slideshare or doctoc to get more exposure.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:58 PM,   wrote:
> Thank you brother.
> On behalf of the Sabily Malaysia Community.
> This majalah is in Bahasa. We will release in English if we have an article
> in English.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from Sabily-my

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Can its be upload to scribd and slideshare or doctoc to get more exposure.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:58 PM,   wrote:
> Thank you brother.
> On behalf of the Sabily Malaysia Community.
> This majalah is in Bahasa. We will release in English if we have an article
> in English.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: OshiriX - Sistem Operasi Ciptaan Anak Tempatan

[MASOKIS]

lebih mengenali ? eh, xdelah.. saya baru belajar lagi. banyak perkara
lagi yang saya tak tahu ;)


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Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from Sabily-my

[MASOKIS]

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

To all friends.

Old or new, junior or senior, sifu or newbie, proprietary or newbie,
gomen or kerja sendiri. We are here together to make sure Open Source
Software Developers in Malaysia can be increase in numbers and
quality.

We are lacking in meetup, meeting, teh tarik and workshop. Most of our
discussion in this maliling list. Lack of human interaction make our
community less and less friendly. Mesra dan harmoni tu kurang.

Face to face will help us to know each other, discuss in real world
and see the face expression.

We are going to have to two developers activities for March 2011. One
workshop by a friend of mine in Microsoft. I like and support him and
his team, not overall organisation because he want to see more
developers that can really develop in Malaysia. He is pushing PHP, so
I believe we can cooperate on that basis.

Lagi pun our main problem is short of developers in all area and
programming language. We need to resolved this problem first, then
later we can set goal to increase in numbers and quality OSS
developers.

http://portal.mosc.my/events/windows-azure-cloud-workshop-to-oss

Another workshop is for Inter Distro Workshop no 2. This workshop is
for meetup between distro developers in Malaysia (official or
Malaysian branding).

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=203868826305228

HackerspaceKL is organizing numbers of workshop, so do join us in real world.

http://www.hackerspace.my/

Thank you.

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Saya bagi contoh satu, bekas pelajar Matrikulasi pernah menag dalam 
pertandingan OpenOffice di India 2 tahun lepas tak silap, nanti saya korek 
sikit maklumat.
Memang masalah dokumentasi ni remeh. Pastu di Malaysia tak banyak kita war2kan 
di dunia.
Tapi saya yakin ada sinar, kalau kita dapat satu hati, dengan mengenepikan 
pandangan peribadi masing-masing.
OpenOffice memang dah dipasang secara total di government agencies, 
penggunaannya je menjadi tanda tanya. Kalau di semua kolej matrikulasi pula, 
kita bukan sekadar memasang OpenOffice, kita juga bertindak menyahpasang 
Microsoft Office. 
Kalau nak numbers atau figures, saya boleh senaraikan. Tapi tak boleh jadikan 
bahan bukti sebab tak official di sini.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:57:31 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
IT.

MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.

Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?

Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
ni?

Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?

Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?

Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?

Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:

> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
> > This kind of situation is common.
> >
> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
> >
> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
> >
> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to
> spend
> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> >> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> >> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> >> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable
> hardware
> >> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> >> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers
> providing
> >> only for m$ windows platform.
> >>
> >> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> >> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> >>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> >>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
> >>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> >>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Soire Meira 
> >>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
IT.

MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.

Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?

Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
ni?

Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?

Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?

Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?

Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:

> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
> > This kind of situation is common.
> >
> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
> >
> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
> >
> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to
> spend
> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> >> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> >> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> >> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable
> hardware
> >> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> >> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers
> providing
> >> only for m$ windows platform.
> >>
> >> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> >> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> >>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> >>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
> >>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> >>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Soire Meira 
> >>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
> >>> To: 
> >>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
> 
>  sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>  sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>  wrote:
> >
> > guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
> > serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika
> bantahan
> > dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @
> tmpt
> > taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn
> lahir
> > anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10
> thn punya
> > target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh
> baik dr
> > Mark Zuckerberg..
> > p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Takpe...we know what we did. Whether people agree with us or not, it
really doesn't matter.

FOSS is about freedom of choice. I also believe in freedom of
expression and opinion.

Maybe after training 4000+ Public Sector staff on FOSS and having 40+
Grades Fs and FTs certified on OSCC's FOSS certification; some may
consider it trivial.

Biggest hurdle we face was always the lack of political will. There
are many really good and enthusiastic FOSS people in the Public
Sector, but they and their efforts are always hampered and blocked by
clueless paper pushers.

Cheers and Peace Be Upon You

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:36 AM,   wrote:
> Tak payah kat western, kalau kat sini pun dah kandas.. He he..
> Takpelah pun.. Ketiga-tiga nama tupun dah tak de kat situ.. Haha..
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:33:49
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Not many people agree with you Tajul.
>
> If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
> journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
>> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
>> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
>> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
>> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
>> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
>> to get promoted to Jusa.
>>
>> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
>> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
>> MyGOSSCON.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>>  wrote:
>>> This kind of situation is common.
>>>
>>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>>
>>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>>  wrote:

 on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
 fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
 a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
 touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
 and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
 ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
 only for m$ windows platform.

 on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
 i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.



 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>
> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
>
> From: Soire Meira 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
> To: 
> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>
> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>
>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>> bantahan
>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>>

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Tak payah kat western, kalau kat sini pun dah kandas.. He he..
Takpelah pun.. Ketiga-tiga nama tupun dah tak de kat situ.. Haha..
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:33:49 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Not many people agree with you Tajul.

If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
>> This kind of situation is common.
>>
>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>
>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>
>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>>
>>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:

 Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
 Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
 Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
 untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
 Bila ye, nak buat?..

 Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.


 From: Soire Meira 
 Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
 To: 
 ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
 Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
> wrote:
>>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>> bantahan
>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>> lahir
>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>> punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>> dr
>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari 

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Not many people agree with you Tajul.

If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
>> This kind of situation is common.
>>
>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>
>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>
>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>>
>>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:

 Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
 Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
 Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
 untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
 Bila ye, nak buat?..

 Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.


 From: Soire Meira 
 Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
 To: 
 ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
 Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
> wrote:
>>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>> bantahan
>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>> lahir
>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>> punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>> dr
>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>>> > skadar
>>> > cadangan ja
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >>
>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>>> >> to
>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>>> >> other
>>> >

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya. 
Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama Saudara 
HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut semua), 
banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting.. 
Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
 
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
to get promoted to Jusa.

Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
MyGOSSCON.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> This kind of situation is common.
>
> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>
> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>
> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
>>
>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>
>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>> To: 
>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>
>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

 sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
 sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.

 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
 wrote:
>
> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
> bantahan
> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
> lahir
> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
> punya
> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
> dr
> Mark Zuckerberg..
> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>
>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>> wrote:
>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>> > skadar
>> > cadangan ja
>> >
>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >>
>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>> >> to
>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>> >> other
>> >> providers hated us.
>> >>
>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since
>> >> one
>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
to get promoted to Jusa.

Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
MyGOSSCON.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> This kind of situation is common.
>
> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>
> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>
> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
>>
>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>
>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>> To: 
>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>
>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

 sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
 sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.

 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
 wrote:
>
> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
> bantahan
> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
> lahir
> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
> punya
> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
> dr
> Mark Zuckerberg..
> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>
>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>> wrote:
>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>> > skadar
>> > cadangan ja
>> >
>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >>
>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>> >> to
>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>> >> other
>> >> providers hated us.
>> >>
>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since
>> >> one
>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
>> >> to
>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>> >>
>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for
>> >> it. I
>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS
>> >> > bukan dalam
>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak
>> >> > OSS
>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain,
>> >> > contohnya DG
>> >> > (cikg

Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

I don't think we need the label.

Every person is an expert in their own field. If I was rated as "expert", am
I expert in everything? Surely not. So that label is not practical.

What we need is intellectual interaction. Post something useful and
meaningful. If you cannot post something useful, better to keep quiet. After
few times you post something useful, people will notice who you are. A fine
example is Bro Haris. People know him even though they never met him before.



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tajul Azhar  wrote:

> Kene tambah disclaimer lagi bro.. ramai terasa termasuk aku ni... walau aku
> tak tere mana pun :(
>
> Tapi part ngurat perempuan tu aku tak buat.. he..he.. aku ngurat bini aku
> je.. hihi..
>
> However my friend, I do agree with a few points you mention. I think we
> have to make something to solve the issue here. I think with OSDC.my, we can
> be united to have better understanding from experience user or we have to
> label some of the users/developer in Malaysia. My advise is like this.
> Every user have so called ID no. , for example, on at the bottom of the
> signature, we can label this person as a 'expert user', 'developer' or
> 'newbie' based on their experienced or contribution.
> So every time this user show up in mailing-list or IRC (can be done?), we
> can recognize this user based on the badged or ID presented and verified by
> OSDC.
> It is just my point of view, I know it will be hard to implement, at least
> we can keep track all of our members to pretend to be guru or flirt girls.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
>
>> bros,
>> u guys are real contributors, real activist lar!
>> the post i posted just now are not applicable for u guys.
>> hahahaha
>> u 3 are real developers, contributed a lot to the community.
>> i respect 3 of u lar.
>> :P
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Tajul Azhar]

Kene tambah disclaimer lagi bro.. ramai terasa termasuk aku ni... walau aku
tak tere mana pun :(

Tapi part ngurat perempuan tu aku tak buat.. he..he.. aku ngurat bini aku
je.. hihi..

However my friend, I do agree with a few points you mention. I think we have
to make something to solve the issue here. I think with OSDC.my, we can be
united to have better understanding from experience user or we have to label
some of the users/developer in Malaysia. My advise is like this.
Every user have so called ID no. , for example, on at the bottom of the
signature, we can label this person as a 'expert user', 'developer' or
'newbie' based on their experienced or contribution.
So every time this user show up in mailing-list or IRC (can be done?), we
can recognize this user based on the badged or ID presented and verified by
OSDC.
It is just my point of view, I know it will be hard to implement, at least
we can keep track all of our members to pretend to be guru or flirt girls.


On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> bros,
> u guys are real contributors, real activist lar!
> the post i posted just now are not applicable for u guys.
> hahahaha
> u 3 are real developers, contributed a lot to the community.
> i respect 3 of u lar.
> :P
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

[Haris bin Ali]

Just curious, how many of you actually read the 440 page report? ;)
Yeah, couldn't get through it either.

It seems to me that aside from pricing which needs to be somehow
proportional to GDP/head, another issue is timing. Media need to be
universally available at the same time. Staggering the release of your
movie/software/whatever based on geography no longer makes sense.

//ha...@qedx.com



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/report-piracy-a-global-pricing-problem-with-only-one-solution.ars
> Just a interesting related article
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> some very good points were raised, I've added some comments below...
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Criminals can’t compete with free. The study finds no systematic links
>> >> > between media piracy and >organized crime or terrorism in any of the
>> >> > countries examined. Today, commercial pirates and >transnational
>> >> > smugglers
>> >> > face the same dilemma as the legal industry: how to compete with
>> >> > free.
>> >>
>> >> This worry me. Free and OSS have two front to compete with. Legal and
>> >> pirates will find ways that can be used against.
>> >
>> > OSS has some very strong benefits over legally licensed software.  The
>> > way I
>> > see it, our only difficulty in this "competition" is how to make people
>> > aware of the benefits effectively, and without the aid of a marketing
>> > department.
>> >
>> > I'm more worried about illegally copied software.  Even with the clearly
>> > documented benefits of OSS, it's hard to convince people to change the
>> > software they've been using for years when the price is free and there's
>> > no
>> > penalty for the illegal copy.  Luckily, the big software companies are
>> > fighting this battle for us.  As they continue to make security mistakes
>> > and
>> > push harder on copyright law enforcement, it becomes more likely that
>> > people
>> > will consider alternatives.
>> >
>>
>> Its an ironical situation isn't it? The more the big proprietry SW
>> guys fight the 'piracy' battle, the more FOSS would benefit. Maybe the
>> penalties are not harsh enough, and there is no stigma associated with
>> 'pirating' SW. Its not seen as 'harming anybody'. Perhaps its the ease
>> of getting away with using pirated SW that prevents FOSS from gaining
>> ground. So I thing that is nothing to fear here.
>>
>>
>> > Sabar je lah! :)  We don't even really need to think of this as a
>> > competition because our community isn't a corporation that needs to make
>> > a
>> > profit each quarter.  Just continue to be awesome, like we already are,
>> > and
>> > make the software available to people when they're ready... it'll just
>> > happen.
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >> Legal will used patent as ways to gain more profit from any software
>> >> including OSS.
>> >
>> > I didn't quite understand this line.  If you meant that proprietary
>> > software
>> > companies will use patents and copyright laws to get more profit than
>> > they
>> > deserve from their own software and OSS software, I think you're right.
>> > This worries me, too.  We can defend ourselves by being wary of the FUD
>> > and
>> > supporting organizations that work to defend our rights like EFF.
>> >
>> What to fear is SW Patents and equiv. laws used to intimidate and
>> victimise FOSS SW developers. If the Prop. SW guys manage to do that
>> and scare away FOSS developers, that will be a major blow. If
>> anything, we must fight these SW Patents as strongly as possible.
>>
>> I'm not against SW Patents per se, ie: if someone invents an algorithm
>> that does encryption faster, smaller and more secure, then by all
>> means it shoud be patented. But not for a process, or a UI, and then
>> prevent competitors from doing the same thing... that's ridiculous.
>>
>> But, if that knowledge is shared, ie: like published as an academic
>> paper, then others can learn from it and perhaps tweak it to make it
>> better. What you don't want then is someone to take an 'open' idea,
>> add their own inputs on it, then 'close' (& patent) it! But that's
>> what GPL is there to prevent.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Pirate will use harmful ways to give bad name to any software. Example
>> >> day 0 exploit.
>> >
>> > Are you talking about a "Zero-day attack" (
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack )?  What does that have to
>> > do
>> > with piracy, OSS, or even proprietary software?  Theoretically, this
>> > kind of
>> > exploit will affect any type of software project, free or otherwise,
>> > equally.  However, OSS generally has a shorter turn-around for bug fixes
>> > and
>> > a community with greater awareness than that of proprietary software, so
>> > this kind of exploit actually works in our favor.  It's one of our
>> > advantages over proprietary software.
>> 

Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Garfield WTF]

bros,
u guys are real contributors, real activist lar!
the post i posted just now are not applicable for u guys.
hahahaha
u 3 are real developers, contributed a lot to the community.
i respect 3 of u lar.
:P

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Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from Sabily-my

[tajul]

Thank you brother.
On behalf of the Sabily Malaysia Community.
This majalah is in Bahasa. We will release in English if we have an article in 
English.
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Congrats to them.

http://edaransabily.blogspot.com/2011/03/majalah-edaran-sabily-isu-001.html

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[Mohamad Imran]

Congrats to them.

http://edaransabily.blogspot.com/2011/03/majalah-edaran-sabily-isu-001.html

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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

[Garfield WTF]

As i remember, FB apps are copyrighted by the apps developer themself,
unless it is stated as opensource.

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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[Garfield WTF]

Yeah, I agree that the current versions of free desktop environments are
more user friendly the Windows now.

People always said that Linux/BSD are not user friendly.
Yeah, thats the past.
Now if compare to Vista and Win7, Windows is definately not user friendly at
all.
Lot of the stuff, are not able to be found easily in Vista & Win7.

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Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

[joshuatly]

The Algorithm is the skynet...

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> Not all the stuff they release the codes to the public...
> This is y i said, I am not able to denied that I like Google's stuff a lot,
> although we all know that Google is attempt for a "World Domination"
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Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

[Garfield WTF]

Not all the stuff they release the codes to the public...
This is y i said, I am not able to denied that I like Google's stuff a lot,
although we all know that Google is attempt for a "World Domination"

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar]

On 03/16/2011 07:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:

This kind of situation is common.

The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not 
even known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.


As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.

I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to 
spend government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.




On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah 
mailto:rajaiskand...@gmail.com>> wrote:


on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix)
with touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a
'reliable hardware and software'. i foresee the other main
competitor would be terengganu's ebook and the biggest other
challenge are the content providers providing only for m$ windows
platform.

on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and
openhis.



offtopic:
last week i was at IBM partner university and there was this boring 
event some sort of like anugerah juara lagu where heitech padu topped 
30mil last year selling IBM stuff. Kayo pakcik kayo...


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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

This kind of situation is common.

The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.

As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.

I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
> only for m$ windows platform.
>
> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
>> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
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>> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>
>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>
>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira wrote:
>>>
 guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
 serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
 bantahan
 dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
 taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir
 anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
 punya
 target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
 dr Mark
 Zuckerberg..
 p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack

 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>
> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
> wrote:
> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
> skadar
> > cadangan ja
> >
> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >>
> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
> to
> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
> other
> >> providers hated us.
> >>
> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
> to
> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> >> Grades F and FT only.
> >>
> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it.
> I
> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
> dalam
> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak
> OSS
> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain,
> contohnya DG
> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG
> (cikgu) juga
> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom
> Mobile.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> >> > To: 
> >> 

Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

At this moments none are sensitive in term of secretive but sensitive
in term of hati.

and I hope if we are discussing sensitive and secretive information,
we may not know it nd anyone that knowing it secretive, please email
me. We will stop it.

This osdc.my is archive in public archive. Mail-archive,
opensubscriber, twitter facebook page.

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[osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal

[cikgu ayob]

Assalamualaikum...tuan aziman..
Tahniah...tuan..ada usaha yang saya nampak..akan berhasil..
memang betul..service after supply...memang jadi masalah..
apapun...saya menyokong usaha tuan aziman.dan
saya harap..dapat membantu tuan dan mengaplikasikan di mana sekolah
yang saya berada..:)




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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

are you saying that najib the pm is also the same following najib ?

Generate Patch - Index of /pub
3 Jul 2007*...* +# $Id: __init__.py 1578 2007-07-03 05:25:47Z *najib* $
Index: *...* fedoraLocalPath / '*Fedora*/base').mkdir() + + f =
open(path(self. *...*
svn.osgdc.org/rdiff/kusu?csid=1578&u&N -
Cached


whoa ! whoever knew our pm is a sifu g33k ?

by the way i signed the osa form 5 times and done the tapisan keselamatan 3
times already - so far no problem




On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>>
>>
> Does it have to be true, or can we just make something up?
>
> For example, I heard Najib uses Fedora KDE Spin and uses K9Copy to make
> unauthorized copies of Disney DVDs to give to all of his grandchildren.
>
> ... I completely made that up, but it'll be in the Google search results
> now :)
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Re: [osdcmy] Remove inappropriate Facebook members?

[zarul shahrin]

 I am a hot male. How about that?


> P.S. If you actually are a sexy female Malaysian and interested in Free,
> Libre, and Open Source Software, give me a call :P
>
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar]

I'm sorry if I had offended anyone. But just to remind those that had 
signed 'that form' including myself.


On 03/16/2011 04:21 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar 
mailto:u...@umarzuki.org>> wrote:


Morning everyone,

I found that there are a lot of information related to our
government discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?

Just my 2 cents.


Granted, I come from a completely different culture (I'm American), 
but I don't think that any information related to the government or 
the country should be a secret to the people.

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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Ghodmode]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>
>
Does it have to be true, or can we just make something up?

For example, I heard Najib uses Fedora KDE Spin and uses K9Copy to make
unauthorized copies of Disney DVDs to give to all of his grandchildren.

... I completely made that up, but it'll be in the Google search results now
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
> u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:
>
>> Morning everyone,
>>
>> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
>> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>
> Granted, I come from a completely different culture (I'm American), but I
> don't think that any information related to the government or the country
> should be a secret to the people.
>

On the other hand, I don't think we should use this list to discuss topics
that aren't related to FLOSS.

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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Ghodmode]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:

> Morning everyone,
>
> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>

Granted, I come from a completely different culture (I'm American), but I
don't think that any information related to the government or the country
should be a secret to the people.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal

[aziman noor]

Thin-Client masa Tajul diBTP dulu hanya untuk akses Portal LMS peringkat
PPD. Tetapi thin-client kalini untuk projek IT Lab yang sedia ada. Saya dah
bagitau, kalo guna M$ thin-client mmg semua PC-PC lama kat IT Lab kena
ganti... tp dgn solution thin2cloud, boleh guna balik. Tapi, mereka amhu
kita buat statistik brp jumlah PC yg masih boleh diguna pakai kat sekolah.

thanks.

2011/3/16 

> Last time masa perbincangan Thin-Client, memang saya 'termasuk' sekali.
> Nampaknya idea thin-client adalah save budget. Sebenarnya investment ke atas
> thin client tak la se save budget sangat pun. Penggunaan PC lama boleh
> digunakan dengan menggunakan OS Linux yang boleh run on minimum specs. Saya
> tidak bersetuju dengan cadangan thin-client, tapi sebab pangkat masih kecik,
> dan idea OSS tidak berapa disukai di peringkat KPM, mereka proceed. Cadangan
> thin-client telah saya dengar dari 5 tahun kebelakang masa saya mula masuk
> ke BTP dulu.
> Walaubagaimanapun, selamat berjaya.. Harap projek ni tak menjadi projek
> 'gajah mati' atau projek yang indah khabar dari rupa. Tidak kira dari mana
> asal kita, govt agencies, atau syarikat, itu adalah wang kita, wang rakyat..
>
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> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:25:01 +0800
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>
> UPDATE:
>
> Sekarang ni bajet utk 'thin-client' mmg telah di'allocate' dalam projek
> khas kementerian pelajaran. Cuma kali ni MOE kena cari projek2 yg betul2
> boleh naikkan kembali prestasi mereka berbanding projek PPSMI terbaru
> (ditangguh), projek Makmal Sekolah yang gagal. Melalui diskusi, dari segi
> pelaksanaan mereka tiada masalah, tetapi rata-rata projek kerajaan termasuk
> MOE, maintenance after sales tu yang gagal.
> Kali ini mereka betul2 mahukan pemain ICT besar seperti Microsoft, Intel
> dan SuSE/RH bersama dibelakang vendor. HP dan Intel masuk dengan thin-client
> Ms Windows, aku masuk guna Sumber Terbuka, mereka tidak tengok pada
> 'figure', tapi mereka tengok pada 'khidmat selepas jualan', jika aku tak
> bawak RH atau SuSE yang boleh memberi surat jaminan sokongan teknikal
> sepenuhnya, mmg kali ni IT Lab akan diwarnai M$ juga.
>
> Banyak yang aku nak kongsikan, tetapi aku dah ringkaskan. Ada yang PnC pun
> aku tak boleh cerita disini.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Aziman,
>>
>> How your proposal? Any positive feedback from them...
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor  wrote:
>> > Thanks Eric.
>> > We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's
>> > boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card
>> > instead of built-in, because not stable.
>> >
>> > Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like
>> > open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS.
>> >
>> > Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud.
>>
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[osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

[Ghodmode]

I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?

I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
start suing people! :)

Where does this type of software development fit into our community?

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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[Ghodmode]

Sorry about the extra emails.  This is the message that was lost. ...


On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:56 AM, zarul shahrin wrote:

>  You're right.  People don't care about those laws.  I would even go a
>> little further and say that some of those laws are unjust and immoral.
>> Modern distributions have more than just free licensing, though, and Linux
>> *is* better than Windows.  I think we've had that discussion many times
>> already.  That's why we're in this group :)
>>
>>   I will never make a claim that any OS is better than the other. As a
> technical person who have years of experience in using Windows,Linux (for
> work) and OSX (home and work), all of them have their strengths and
> weaknesses depending on your need and area of work.
>

I'll make the claim... GNU/Linux, *our* OS is better than Windows.

I'm saying that Linux is better than Windows based on specific features and
functionality such as process management, UI configuration options, software
options, and community involvement.  It is my opinion, but it's more than
that, and it's also more than just the philosophical reasons behind the free
software movement.




>  Microsoft has also damaged their customer base.  Their negligence in
>> handling malicious software threats, and stories about systems becoming
>> unusable or shutting down every two hours after an update all work against
>> them.
>>
>>   When you have approximately 91% of market share, you can't avoid from
> being the main target of criminals/virus writers. The same reasoning can
> be applied to the customers who have problems with Windows. You will of
> course hear more bad news about Windows than let say Mac OS or Linux due to
> the number of people using Windows compare to the other OSes. But does that
> make Windows less stable than Linux? A visit to the forums/IRC and mailing
> list made me believe otherwise. How many times did you get a BSOD on Windows
> XP SP3 compare to let say a kernel panic message on Ubuntu Hoary? In fact,
> the problems you mentioned above are usually caused by 3rd party software
> such as anti-virus software (removing critical OS files due to false
> positive) than windows itself.
>

*Largest Target?*
You are right.  The number of attempts to undermine Windows security and
stability makes Windows seem insecure and unstable even though other OSs
haven't been put through the same test.  But Windows really is less stable
and less secure than Linux because of its design.

*Security*
The Linux security model, which was inherited from Unix, is much more mature
and has been consistent and reliable since before even the earliest days of
DOS.  Microsoft didn't start taking any effective action on security until
after years of security problems.  They still don't have it quite right.

*Stability*
Linux is more stable by design, too.  Unresponsive programs can be found
with the ps command and stopped with the kill command.  Windows Task Manager
doesn't show everything and can't even stop all of the processes it does
show.  You can recover from a hung X session in Linux by switching to a
virtual terminal and killing X, but in Windows, the only way out of a hung
system is a hard reset.

I've been working with computers since 1991 and Linux since 1999.  I've only
seen a kernel panic twice.  I've seen the BSOD many times and on every
version of Windows... even my current Windows 7 Pro system.

*Negligence and User Abuse*
Regarding the unusable system and 2-hour shutdowns, I was referring to
stories I've heard about what happens when the computer fails the "Windows
Genuine Advantage" test... Microsoft does this to their users on purpose.
I'll admit that it's a little strong to say they're abusing their users, but
it shows how much more they care about their profit than their users.

You brought up an important point with the reference to 3rd party software,
though.  Rather than address the malicious software problem in Windows, they
left it to third-party software vendors, resulting in a market for antivirus
and software firewall products that creates more problems than it solves.

*Market Share?*
Did Microsoft have even greater market share last year?  How about 5 years
ago?  I don't know the numbers, but I do know the people who are unhappy
about what happens with Windows.  This isn't only affecting the OS, either.
Consider changes in market share with MS Office vs OpenOffice.org or
Internet Explorer vs Firefox or Chrome.  People are considering
alternatives.

*Apple's OSX*
Aside from being proprietary and *sombong*, OSX rocks! :)  It's derived from
BSD and certified as Unix (
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars).
 OSX provides most of the same stability and security benefits as
Linux.
Of course, Apple's user interface isn't as nice or as usable as a properly
configured Linux system with all of the Desktop Effects enabled, but that's
a matter of opinion.



> Other than that, An OS that launches a new v

Re: [osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal

[tajul]

Last time masa perbincangan Thin-Client, memang saya 'termasuk' sekali. 
Nampaknya idea thin-client adalah save budget. Sebenarnya investment ke atas 
thin client tak la se save budget sangat pun. Penggunaan PC lama boleh 
digunakan dengan menggunakan OS Linux yang boleh run on minimum specs. Saya 
tidak bersetuju dengan cadangan thin-client, tapi sebab pangkat masih kecik, 
dan idea OSS tidak berapa disukai di peringkat KPM, mereka proceed. Cadangan 
thin-client telah saya dengar dari 5 tahun kebelakang masa saya mula masuk ke 
BTP dulu.
Walaubagaimanapun, selamat berjaya.. Harap projek ni tak menjadi projek 'gajah 
mati' atau projek yang indah khabar dari rupa. Tidak kira dari mana asal kita, 
govt agencies, atau syarikat, itu adalah wang kita, wang rakyat..

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-Original Message-
From: aziman noor 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:25:01 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal

UPDATE:

Sekarang ni bajet utk 'thin-client' mmg telah di'allocate' dalam projek khas
kementerian pelajaran. Cuma kali ni MOE kena cari projek2 yg betul2 boleh
naikkan kembali prestasi mereka berbanding projek PPSMI terbaru (ditangguh),
projek Makmal Sekolah yang gagal. Melalui diskusi, dari segi pelaksanaan
mereka tiada masalah, tetapi rata-rata projek kerajaan termasuk MOE,
maintenance after sales tu yang gagal.
Kali ini mereka betul2 mahukan pemain ICT besar seperti Microsoft, Intel dan
SuSE/RH bersama dibelakang vendor. HP dan Intel masuk dengan thin-client Ms
Windows, aku masuk guna Sumber Terbuka, mereka tidak tengok pada 'figure',
tapi mereka tengok pada 'khidmat selepas jualan', jika aku tak bawak RH atau
SuSE yang boleh memberi surat jaminan sokongan teknikal sepenuhnya, mmg kali
ni IT Lab akan diwarnai M$ juga.

Banyak yang aku nak kongsikan, tetapi aku dah ringkaskan. Ada yang PnC pun
aku tak boleh cerita disini.

Thanks.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aziman,
>
> How your proposal? Any positive feedback from them...
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor  wrote:
> > Thanks Eric.
> > We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's
> > boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card
> > instead of built-in, because not stable.
> >
> > Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like
> > open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS.
> >
> > Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

> Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the
> global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or
> development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than
> Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual
> work.
>
> GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my
> fault where all of you were right... kan?
>
> Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic
> community not even speaking the same lingo to each others.
>
> Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done...
> rafe
>
>
>
First of all, that statement was only that guys opinion.  Who said it?  Does
he have any credibility?

Second, the statement needs clarification.  How is an "OSS hub or
development area" defined?  It may be true that there are no major OSS
projects that originate from Malaysia, but the same could probably be said
for Singapore.  I don't think there isn't really any way to identify a
country's contributions to OSS.  If a group or individual makes wonderful
contributions to an OSS project, 100% of the credit goes to the individual,
not to his country.

Now my opinion... I've lived in three different countries (US, Malaysia, New
Zealand) and I can tell you from my own experience that Malaysians are as
dedicated and enthusiastic as people in the other countries.  We have a lot
of talented developers active in the Open Source community.

Another thing... Singapore is our neighbor.  Our OSS community isn't
competing with theirs... it's part of theirs.  In fact, I can't see why OSS
communities anywhere would compete.  Winning contracts and impressing
corporations isn't our business.

Malaysia has been my home for nearly 7 years already.  Believe me... there
are *plenty* of things to complain about... but FLOSS participation and
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