Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Maulvi Bakar]

Many years ago, during the PRU9, an anonymous policeman spoke to me
commenting about these opposition movement trying to topple the present
government.

The comment was along these lines - Why bother at all being so active in the
opposition, the present government will surely be gone in 20 years time!
It'll be replaced!

I have no answer to that policeman's comment back then. Long I ponder the
meaning of those words and I've arrived at the answer -

It may surely change and the prediction on the date may be spot-on, give or
take a year or so (It is approaching 20 years since PRU9!), *BUT* we cannot
leave things be.

Tricubes silly email proposal may look inevitable. That does not warrant
them to be given a free ride.  The people, especially the ICT community must
make their displeasure known.

Send a message to them - judgment day is nigh and coming!


On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

> Frankly,
>
> This project will go ahead, its going to be implemented.
>
> Why?
>
> Berdasarkan pandangan saya daripada pelbagai perkara yang berlaku
> ianya dipertahankan dengan begitu sekali. Kenyataan akhbar, press
> conference and such.
>
> Projek ini ada banyak kepentingan non ICT untuk ia dihentikan...
> (politik dan  )
>
> So ?
>
> Banyak mana pun kita ngomel, kritik, email, kutuk, bantah, maki, *%$&
> and many more words. Its waste our time .
>
> Then?
>
> Kita semua nanti perlu juga gunakan sebab, saman polis dan JPA akan
> hanya melalui thats email. Tidak lagi pos.
>
> Next?
>
> Back to our main issue. We need a big and branded company like Microsoft.
>
> Lets discuss how.
>
> How??
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:41 AM, red1  wrote:
> > Boh, thanks for the link, which i can see:
> >
> > "Tricubes shares soar on news it will be working with Microsoft"
> >
> > Now that pops the spiritual question - Is that not what we all care
> about?
> > It is making money legally. With FOSS you cannot make that kind of money.
> > Give it up guys.
> >
> > I mean look at the pathetic of us here, without dough, swimming among
> > sharks, just got our lifebelts yanked (MDec financial support) and the
> heli
> > did not show up (RM10m promise from MDec) and still lots of borang-borang
> to
> > fill up while kicking hard in the water (to get tidbits from the so
> called
> > RM10m). But the final laugh should come while you get 'lucky' and called
> up
> > by MOSTI to defend your proposal with the question, "Can you idea beat
> > Tricubes idea of working with MS and become commercially viable?"
> >
> > Side-note to Raja: "Is the above the kind of rant you wished for?"
> > Side-note to Rafe: "Just having fun on a Sunday morning cos i aint going
> to
> > church. :)"
> >
> > On 5/8/11 12:47 AM, E A Faisal wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or somethin'?
> >
> > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:
> >>
> >> sorry, I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
> >> rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.
> >>
> >> BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
> >> full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...
> >>
> >>
> >> more updates on triCubes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788&sec=business
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Mohamad Imran]

For copyright and branding issues we can consult with MyIPO:
http://www.myipo.gov.my/
http://www.myipo.gov.my/en/about-myipo/functions-and-services/trademark.html

2011/5/8, Garfield WTF :
> @Eric,
> As you know, I will join you in your effort.
> Just let us all know what we need to do, then I shall try my best to assist
> you.
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

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@Eric,
As you know, I will join you in your effort.
Just let us all know what we need to do, then I shall try my best to assist
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Garfield WTF]

My reply to Harris:

1 & 2. For our logo and branding, I think it is safer to register is as
Trade Mark. This can actually avoid some certain parties from using our logo
to do something else without acknowledge us, which it could lead to
dangerous situation.

3. I believe the OSDC scope still not really lari yet, because our
initiative, does bring up a lot of new developers. Without knowing, we are
actually brought up a lot of new users started to become developers.

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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[rafe azsnal]

Anyone consider the impact of this from the global osdc? We have seek and
communicate with osdc global on putting it in Malaysia and the agreed term
is to use "open source developer club Malaysia" osdc.my changing it might
reflect 50/50 chances of it getting accepted later on. So I suggest Haris
why not you communicate with the folks down in Aussie of the name change...
and see what they have to say first

rafe

On May 8, 2011 11:24 AM, "Harisfazillah Jamel" 
wrote:

OK Eric

Im in

--


"As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this
branding exercise. So far nobo...
-

Lets start with outline what we need to do :-

The work :-

1) Copyright and Trademark need to take into consideration. We need
from day 0 take good care of this so nobody can claim what we have
discuss here is theirs. We don't have legal entity, we need to trust
someone.

- A company with a agreement.

Kat Malaysia ni Foundation mahal...

2) Branding need things thats visual and can be used by others. Apogee
wiling to produce the logo and things. But he need feedback from us.
Another issues we need to disscuss is, under what legal protection we
want to protect all the logo and things.

- CCC or Free Art License???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Art_license

3) For OSDC.my lets as it is at this moment. Scope OSDC.my asal sudah
lari. Its suppose for developers but due to our community is still
small, all rojak here.

But I believe and agree we need to expand ourself.  For the whole OSS
community, we need to have our own naming and branding.

We already have FOSS list and all the faculties like mailing list and
web already provided by our friends.
Lets the coordination involved all communities and projects.
HackerspaceKL already provide us with a place for meetup and
activities.

Due to limited resources like money and time, we need to use what we
already have.

I see the way but still to iron up one important issue. Coordination between
us.

Nanti sambung ...


On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2011/5/8 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> ...
>
> KK-LUG in discussion to build private cloud for their own community
> RnD. Nice.. Keep up..
>
>
now that speaks

later on that could be massive

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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Team,

My advice, if we know things that may be protected by OSA, please keep
its to ourself. This mailing list is public. Tak bagus untuk
kesihatan. :)

Lets put this discussion on how we can improved the proposal for the
better of rakyat, technically. May be, may be what we write will get
to them and they review the plan. :p

Or ... Later as community we will build that system ourself. Hehehe...

FYI

KK-LUG in discussion to build private cloud for their own community
RnD. Nice.. Keep up..

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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

OK Eric

Im in

--

"As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this
branding exercise. So far nobody has stepped forward to assist or to
begin the branding suggestion.

So once again; who is willing to help? Enough of talk already. It's
time to get off our collective fat asses and get something moving."
-

Lets start with outline what we need to do :-

The work :-

1) Copyright and Trademark need to take into consideration. We need
from day 0 take good care of this so nobody can claim what we have
discuss here is theirs. We don't have legal entity, we need to trust
someone.

- A company with a agreement.

Kat Malaysia ni Foundation mahal...

2) Branding need things thats visual and can be used by others. Apogee
wiling to produce the logo and things. But he need feedback from us.
Another issues we need to disscuss is, under what legal protection we
want to protect all the logo and things.

- CCC or Free Art License???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Art_license

3) For OSDC.my lets as it is at this moment. Scope OSDC.my asal sudah
lari. Its suppose for developers but due to our community is still
small, all rojak here.

But I believe and agree we need to expand ourself.  For the whole OSS
community, we need to have our own naming and branding.

We already have FOSS list and all the faculties like mailing list and
web already provided by our friends.
Lets the coordination involved all communities and projects.
HackerspaceKL already provide us with a place for meetup and
activities.

Due to limited resources like money and time, we need to use what we
already have.

I see the way but still to iron up one important issue. Coordination between us.

Nanti sambung ...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 wrote:
> Red,
>
> While I agree the name change may seem trivial when looking at the grand
> scheme of things; however, an identity change may set the right frame of
> mind to get going in the right direction.
>
> As I have said, I am floating around ideas. I think OSDC.my can be the
> lynch-pin for FOSS activities in the country, but first we need to what we
> stand for and how would we position the brand. Is it a geeks only club or
> are we to project an image that is more business friendly?
>
> Business friendly is synonymous with getting more mulla in our coffers. It
> is also means we will not be treated as an after thought when it comes to
> FOSS.
>
> As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this branding
> exercise. So far nobody has stepped forward to assist or to begin the
> branding suggestion.
>
> So once again; who is willing to help? Enough of talk already. It's time to
> get off our collective fat asses and get something moving.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:55 AM, red1  wrote:
>>
>> With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get
>> money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money
>> respects one and only one rule, "How fast can we get our money back?",
>> meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork,
>> paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming <- to defend your
>> paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything
>> before the dollar sign.
>>
>>
>> On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
>>> In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I almost
>>> forget the C, is actually "club".
>>>
>>> Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public
>>> confidence on us.
>>> For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a huge
>>> amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee of IT
>>> professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" which giving
>>> them an impression that "Club" is something like a group of professionals
>>> hang around for leisure during free time only.
>>>
>>> So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Khairul Nadzmi]

Hi,

I also am against the goverment giving free contract to tricubes for this 
project.furthermore with that such amount i believe malaysian can do it rather 
than subcontracting it to microsoft.

However, MOSTI has assigned CyberSecurity Malaysia to look into the security 
part of. I'm still not sure what is the task as the meeting was initial meeting 
was done last week. 

I believe i can voice out this issue of the mx being pointed outside of 
malaysia. I too against tricubes getting the wholesome of money and fyi, MOSTI 
was not in the loop of the email propaganda..haha.

So lets voice out the incapabilities of this project!!

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/05/2011, at 10:47, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
 wrote:

> It's that with all the supposed brain cells in the R&D divisions in the Gvt; 
> nobody is willing to take ownership of being the first to make a usable and 
> practical cloud for the Public Sector. 
> 
> MIMOS, can forget abt them. It's more of a playground that wastes the tax 
> payers' money. MOSTI? The whole lot of them are politicians; they should 
> consider taking out the I in their acronym since they hardly do anything 
> "innovative" that is visible and viable. 
> 
> In short, doing a cloud infra entails a lot of work but no clear path for the 
> many bureaucrats to upgrade to a higher salary scale.
> 
> Malaysia Boleh.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
>  wrote:
> Thinking of its, its possible to make data in MY by cloud computing.
> Private cloud still need infra.
> 
> Imaging thousand of government servers in the cloud.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>  wrote:
> > MAMPU was so adamant that Gomen data must reside in MY. Now they are all
> > just quiet coz the PM has already announced this initiative.
> >
> > Morons!
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> >>
> >> My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government". The
> >> MX record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
> >> national security standpoint, this is very so insecure.
> >>
> 
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

agree with eric. in fact, I had discussion with my uncle about this. the
word 'club' should be change with something else.

benda di dah berlarut, tapi tak lambat lagi nak mengubah. ANDA MAMPU
MENGUBAHNYA *not that MAMPU* :p

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM,  wrote:

> Perkataan comittee nampak lebih sesuai dari club. Contohnya, Kelab
> Penyokong Umno. Dia hanya menyokong saja. Tiada pembaharuan atau inovasi
> dilakukan. Kalau Committee, ia adalah penggerak dan pencetus inovasi.
> Saya setuju dengan idea tu. Dan juga ia adalah pemberi syarat kepada
> osdc.my untuk bukan hanya penyokong, tapi pencetus inovasi dan setiap ahli
> yang menyertai osdc.my, bukan terdiri dari penyokong sahaja, malah adalah
> pencetus kepada revolusi, penyumbang kepada OSS dan penyokong adalah secara
> automatik. Tidak kira apa mereke sumbangkan.
> Cadangan saya yang kecil ini.
> P.s : "Mr Eric, saya bukan ah long, tapi saya nak tolong" ;)
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
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> *Date: *Sun, 8 May 2011 10:42:55 +0800
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> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch
>
> Red,
>
> While I agree the name change may seem trivial when looking at the grand
> scheme of things; however, an identity change may set the right frame of
> mind to get going in the right direction.
>
> As I have said, I am floating around ideas. I think OSDC.my can be the
> lynch-pin for FOSS activities in the country, but first we need to what we
> stand for and how would we position the brand. Is it a geeks only club or
> are we to project an image that is more business friendly?
>
> Business friendly is synonymous with getting more mulla in our coffers. It
> is also means we will not be treated as an after thought when it comes to
> FOSS.
>
> As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this
> branding exercise. So far nobody has stepped forward to assist or to begin
> the branding suggestion.
>
> So once again; who is willing to help? Enough of talk already. It's time to
> get off our collective fat asses and get something moving.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:55 AM, red1  wrote:
>
>> With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get
>> money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money
>> respects one and only one rule, "How fast can we get our money back?",
>> meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork,
>> paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming <- to defend your
>> paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything
>> before the dollar sign.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
>>> In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I almost
>>> forget the C, is actually "club".
>>>
>>> Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public
>>> confidence on us.
>>> For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a huge
>>> amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee of IT
>>> professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" which giving
>>> them an impression that "Club" is something like a group of professionals
>>> hang around for leisure during free time only.
>>>
>>> So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> action speak lauder than words..baik buat keje sampai habis je dulu


*louder :p

>
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
> msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's that with all the supposed brain cells in the R&D divisions in the
>> Gvt; nobody is willing to take ownership of being the first to make a usable
>> and practical cloud for the Public Sector.
>>
>> MIMOS, can forget abt them. It's more of a playground that wastes the tax
>> payers' money. MOSTI? The whole lot of them are politicians; they should
>> consider taking out the I in their acronym since they hardly do anything
>> "innovative" that is visible and viable.
>>
>> In short, doing a cloud infra entails a lot of work but no clear path for
>> the many bureaucrats to upgrade to a higher salary scale.
>>
>> Malaysia Boleh.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
>> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thinking of its, its possible to make data in MY by cloud computing.
>>> Private cloud still need infra.
>>>
>>> Imaging thousand of government servers in the cloud.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>>  wrote:
>>> > MAMPU was so adamant that Gomen data must reside in MY. Now they are
>>> all
>>> > just quiet coz the PM has already announced this initiative.
>>> >
>>> > Morons!
>>> >
>>> > Eric
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government".
>>> The
>>> >> MX record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
>>> >> national security standpoint, this is very so insecure.
>>> >>
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

action speak lauder than words..baik buat keje sampai habis je dulu

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's that with all the supposed brain cells in the R&D divisions in the
> Gvt; nobody is willing to take ownership of being the first to make a usable
> and practical cloud for the Public Sector.
>
> MIMOS, can forget abt them. It's more of a playground that wastes the tax
> payers' money. MOSTI? The whole lot of them are politicians; they should
> consider taking out the I in their acronym since they hardly do anything
> "innovative" that is visible and viable.
>
> In short, doing a cloud infra entails a lot of work but no clear path for
> the many bureaucrats to upgrade to a higher salary scale.
>
> Malaysia Boleh.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thinking of its, its possible to make data in MY by cloud computing.
>> Private cloud still need infra.
>>
>> Imaging thousand of government servers in the cloud.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>  wrote:
>> > MAMPU was so adamant that Gomen data must reside in MY. Now they are all
>> > just quiet coz the PM has already announced this initiative.
>> >
>> > Morons!
>> >
>> > Eric
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government".
>> The
>> >> MX record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
>> >> national security standpoint, this is very so insecure.
>> >>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[tajul]

Perkataan comittee nampak lebih sesuai dari club. Contohnya, Kelab Penyokong 
Umno. Dia hanya menyokong saja. Tiada pembaharuan atau inovasi dilakukan. Kalau 
Committee, ia adalah penggerak dan pencetus inovasi. 
Saya setuju dengan idea tu. Dan juga ia adalah pemberi syarat kepada osdc.my 
untuk bukan hanya penyokong, tapi pencetus inovasi dan setiap ahli yang 
menyertai osdc.my, bukan terdiri dari penyokong sahaja, malah adalah pencetus 
kepada revolusi, penyumbang kepada OSS dan penyokong adalah secara automatik. 
Tidak kira apa mereke sumbangkan. 
Cadangan saya yang kecil ini.
P.s : "Mr Eric, saya bukan ah long, tapi saya nak tolong" ;)
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From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
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Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:42:55 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

Red,

While I agree the name change may seem trivial when looking at the grand
scheme of things; however, an identity change may set the right frame of
mind to get going in the right direction.

As I have said, I am floating around ideas. I think OSDC.my can be the
lynch-pin for FOSS activities in the country, but first we need to what we
stand for and how would we position the brand. Is it a geeks only club or
are we to project an image that is more business friendly?

Business friendly is synonymous with getting more mulla in our coffers. It
is also means we will not be treated as an after thought when it comes to
FOSS.

As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this branding
exercise. So far nobody has stepped forward to assist or to begin the
branding suggestion.

So once again; who is willing to help? Enough of talk already. It's time to
get off our collective fat asses and get something moving.

Eric


On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:55 AM, red1  wrote:

> With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get
> money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money
> respects one and only one rule, "How fast can we get our money back?",
> meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork,
> paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming <- to defend your
> paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything
> before the dollar sign.
>
>
>
> On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>
>> I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
>> In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I almost
>> forget the C, is actually "club".
>>
>> Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public
>> confidence on us.
>> For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a huge
>> amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee of IT
>> professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" which giving
>> them an impression that "Club" is something like a group of professionals
>> hang around for leisure during free time only.
>>
>> So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.
>>
>> --
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

It's that with all the supposed brain cells in the R&D divisions in the Gvt;
nobody is willing to take ownership of being the first to make a usable and
practical cloud for the Public Sector.

MIMOS, can forget abt them. It's more of a playground that wastes the tax
payers' money. MOSTI? The whole lot of them are politicians; they should
consider taking out the I in their acronym since they hardly do anything
"innovative" that is visible and viable.

In short, doing a cloud infra entails a lot of work but no clear path for
the many bureaucrats to upgrade to a higher salary scale.

Malaysia Boleh.



On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thinking of its, its possible to make data in MY by cloud computing.
> Private cloud still need infra.
>
> Imaging thousand of government servers in the cloud.
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>  wrote:
> > MAMPU was so adamant that Gomen data must reside in MY. Now they are all
> > just quiet coz the PM has already announced this initiative.
> >
> > Morons!
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> >>
> >> My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government". The
> >> MX record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
> >> national security standpoint, this is very so insecure.
> >>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Red,

While I agree the name change may seem trivial when looking at the grand
scheme of things; however, an identity change may set the right frame of
mind to get going in the right direction.

As I have said, I am floating around ideas. I think OSDC.my can be the
lynch-pin for FOSS activities in the country, but first we need to what we
stand for and how would we position the brand. Is it a geeks only club or
are we to project an image that is more business friendly?

Business friendly is synonymous with getting more mulla in our coffers. It
is also means we will not be treated as an after thought when it comes to
FOSS.

As I have mentioned in another thread, I am willing to work on this branding
exercise. So far nobody has stepped forward to assist or to begin the
branding suggestion.

So once again; who is willing to help? Enough of talk already. It's time to
get off our collective fat asses and get something moving.

Eric


On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:55 AM, red1  wrote:

> With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get
> money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money
> respects one and only one rule, "How fast can we get our money back?",
> meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork,
> paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming <- to defend your
> paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything
> before the dollar sign.
>
>
>
> On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>
>> I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
>> In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I almost
>> forget the C, is actually "club".
>>
>> Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public
>> confidence on us.
>> For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a huge
>> amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee of IT
>> professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" which giving
>> them an impression that "Club" is something like a group of professionals
>> hang around for leisure during free time only.
>>
>> So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.
>>
>> --
>>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Let us not go there mate... :)

Eric

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> Actually what I mean is, the word "Committee" is better in terms of
> business than the word "Club"
> Mau sapu 50M also easier.
> :P
>
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Mohamad Imran]

Awal pagi tadi dah siapkan artikel tentang KOSTEM di blog Melayubuntu
(beliau bagi kebenaran nak menulis dalam blognya). Tapi tak up lagi.. Hehe..
Biasalah, bertamu kat tempat orang... Jadi berjaga-jaga untuk dapat trafik
tinggi pasal KOSTEM. Muahahaha!!!

2011/5/8 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> @Garfield
>
> Salah
>
> "U bagi ni tender kat I, I charge RM50M, RM1M ko punye. Cukup?"
>
> KOSTEM
>
> Luckly we have mailing KOSTEM Dalaman. I do agree with you but this
> things in any activities we do have macam ni. Bising2. Tak boleh nak
> buat apa. I always look into the silver line of things. Lets them
> email and give opinions, to create the awareness and keep the interest
> going. We are the one the sufferer will do the filtering and lets we
> keep on excute it. Lama-lama nanti adalah yang join in.
>
> We need another 25 people with address KL/Selangor. Ini sahaja halang
> kita untuk pergi daftar.
>
> Back to 1Malaysia email 
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> > @Red1,
> > I believe most of us here, dunno the skill of:
> > "U bagi ni tender kat I, I charge RM50M, RM40M ko punye."
> > LOL
> >
> > And by the way, It seems like even M$ don't know there is such deals
> going
> > on. Or else, they will be using this to advertise them self around. I
> smell
> > something more fishy behind this "Tricubes" project.
> >
> >
> ---
> > To the other ppl,
> >
> > And at here, I would like to express out my thoughts about the KOSTEM
> > mailing list.
> > I'm sure a lot of you already realize this and never though of wanted to
> > voice it out.
> > As usual, I become the basher again.
> >
> > Do you agree that there are too much noise in the mailing list of KOSTEM
> > which caused most of us who want to build up the Co-Op company to be
> delayed
> > for so long?
> >
> > Do you agree that most replies in the KOSTEM mailing list, are actually
> not
> > any useful input, rather, they are just some 'hoohah' kind of response? I
> > believe more than 50% of the replies are such kind of replies in the
> mailing
> > list.
> >
> > Do you agree that majority of the people who reply in the mailing list,
> > never showed up during our 1st meeting and just tumpang in the mailing
> list
> > for cheer only?
> >
> > Well, if you answer these questions yourself, I believe you'll understand
> > why there is not much replies from people who really wanted to build up
> this
> > co-op company. Because of too much noise in the mailing list until we
> missed
> > those useful input in the mailing list to make necessary response.
> >
> > Anyway, attack me as usual, this is not something new to me for getting
> > attack anyway.
> > :P
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Garfield WTF]

Yeah, it is very fortunate to have the KOSTEM Dalaman mailing list where
core discussion without contamination can be read peacefully.


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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Garfield WTF]

Some error on my previous reply.
Change the "50%" to 40%, as there is less noise nowadays in the KOSTEM
mailing list already.

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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

@Garfield

Salah

"U bagi ni tender kat I, I charge RM50M, RM1M ko punye. Cukup?"

KOSTEM

Luckly we have mailing KOSTEM Dalaman. I do agree with you but this
things in any activities we do have macam ni. Bising2. Tak boleh nak
buat apa. I always look into the silver line of things. Lets them
email and give opinions, to create the awareness and keep the interest
going. We are the one the sufferer will do the filtering and lets we
keep on excute it. Lama-lama nanti adalah yang join in.

We need another 25 people with address KL/Selangor. Ini sahaja halang
kita untuk pergi daftar.

Back to 1Malaysia email 

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> @Red1,
> I believe most of us here, dunno the skill of:
> "U bagi ni tender kat I, I charge RM50M, RM40M ko punye."
> LOL
>
> And by the way, It seems like even M$ don't know there is such deals going
> on. Or else, they will be using this to advertise them self around. I smell
> something more fishy behind this "Tricubes" project.
>
> ---
> To the other ppl,
>
> And at here, I would like to express out my thoughts about the KOSTEM
> mailing list.
> I'm sure a lot of you already realize this and never though of wanted to
> voice it out.
> As usual, I become the basher again.
>
> Do you agree that there are too much noise in the mailing list of KOSTEM
> which caused most of us who want to build up the Co-Op company to be delayed
> for so long?
>
> Do you agree that most replies in the KOSTEM mailing list, are actually not
> any useful input, rather, they are just some 'hoohah' kind of response? I
> believe more than 50% of the replies are such kind of replies in the mailing
> list.
>
> Do you agree that majority of the people who reply in the mailing list,
> never showed up during our 1st meeting and just tumpang in the mailing list
> for cheer only?
>
> Well, if you answer these questions yourself, I believe you'll understand
> why there is not much replies from people who really wanted to build up this
> co-op company. Because of too much noise in the mailing list until we missed
> those useful input in the mailing list to make necessary response.
>
> Anyway, attack me as usual, this is not something new to me for getting
> attack anyway.
> :P
>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Garfield WTF]

Actually what I mean is, the word "Committee" is better in terms of business
than the word "Club"
Mau sapu 50M also easier.
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Garfield WTF]

@Red1,
I believe most of us here, dunno the skill of:
"U bagi ni tender kat I, I charge RM50M, RM40M ko punye."
LOL

And by the way, It seems like even M$ don't know there is such deals going
on. Or else, they will be using this to advertise them self around. I smell
something more fishy behind this "Tricubes" project.

---
To the other ppl,

And at here, I would like to express out my thoughts about the KOSTEM
mailing list.
I'm sure a lot of you already realize this and never though of wanted to
voice it out.
As usual, I become the basher again.

Do you agree that there are too much noise in the mailing list of KOSTEM
which caused most of us who want to build up the Co-Op company to be delayed
for so long?

Do you agree that most replies in the KOSTEM mailing list, are actually not
any useful input, rather, they are just some 'hoohah' kind of response? I
believe more than 50% of the replies are such kind of replies in the mailing
list.

Do you agree that majority of the people who reply in the mailing list,
never showed up during our 1st meeting and just tumpang in the mailing list
for cheer only?

Well, if you answer these questions yourself, I believe you'll understand
why there is not much replies from people who really wanted to build up this
co-op company. Because of too much noise in the mailing list until we missed
those useful input in the mailing list to make necessary response.

Anyway, attack me as usual, this is not something new to me for getting
attack anyway.
:P


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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Frankly,

This project will go ahead, its going to be implemented.

Why?

Berdasarkan pandangan saya daripada pelbagai perkara yang berlaku
ianya dipertahankan dengan begitu sekali. Kenyataan akhbar, press
conference and such.

Projek ini ada banyak kepentingan non ICT untuk ia dihentikan...
(politik dan  )

So ?

Banyak mana pun kita ngomel, kritik, email, kutuk, bantah, maki, *%$&
and many more words. Its waste our time .

Then?

Kita semua nanti perlu juga gunakan sebab, saman polis dan JPA akan
hanya melalui thats email. Tidak lagi pos.

Next?

Back to our main issue. We need a big and branded company like Microsoft.

Lets discuss how.

How??

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 8:41 AM, red1  wrote:
> Boh, thanks for the link, which i can see:
>
> "Tricubes shares soar on news it will be working with Microsoft"
>
> Now that pops the spiritual question - Is that not what we all care about?
> It is making money legally. With FOSS you cannot make that kind of money.
> Give it up guys.
>
> I mean look at the pathetic of us here, without dough, swimming among
> sharks, just got our lifebelts yanked (MDec financial support) and the heli
> did not show up (RM10m promise from MDec) and still lots of borang-borang to
> fill up while kicking hard in the water (to get tidbits from the so called
> RM10m). But the final laugh should come while you get 'lucky' and called up
> by MOSTI to defend your proposal with the question, "Can you idea beat
> Tricubes idea of working with MS and become commercially viable?"
>
> Side-note to Raja: "Is the above the kind of rant you wished for?"
> Side-note to Rafe: "Just having fun on a Sunday morning cos i aint going to
> church. :)"
>
> On 5/8/11 12:47 AM, E A Faisal wrote:
>
> Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or somethin'?
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:
>>
>> sorry, I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
>> rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.
>>
>> BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
>> full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...
>>
>>
>> more updates on triCubes
>>
>>
>> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788&sec=business
>
>
>

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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[red1]

With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get 
money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money 
respects one and only one rule, "How fast can we get our money back?", 
meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork, 
paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming <- to defend your 
paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything 
before the dollar sign.



On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:

I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I 
almost forget the C, is actually "club".


Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public 
confidence on us.
For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a 
huge amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee 
of IT professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" 
which giving them an impression that "Club" is something like a group 
of professionals hang around for leisure during free time only.


So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.

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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[red1]

Boh, thanks for the link, which i can see:
"Tricubes shares soar
on news it will be working with Microsoft"

Now that pops the spiritual question - Is that not what we all care
about? It is making money legally. With FOSS you cannot make that kind
of money. Give it up guys.

I mean look at the pathetic of us here, without dough, swimming among
sharks, just got our lifebelts yanked (MDec financial support) and the
heli did not show up (RM10m promise from MDec) and still lots of
borang-borang to fill up while kicking hard in the water (to get
tidbits from the so called RM10m). But the final laugh should come
while you get 'lucky' and called up by MOSTI to defend your proposal
with the question, "Can you idea beat Tricubes idea of working with MS
and become commercially viable?"

Side-note to Raja: "Is the above the kind of rant you wished for?"
Side-note to Rafe: "Just having fun on a Sunday morning cos i aint
going to church. :)"

On 5/8/11 12:47 AM, E A Faisal wrote:
Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or
somethin'?
  
  On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap 
wrote:
  sorry,
I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.

BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...


more updates on triCubes

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788&sec=business
  
  

 





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[Garfield WTF]

I agree with changing the word "club" to "committee".
In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I almost
forget the C, is actually "club".

Anyway, changing the C to "Committee" can in fact build the public
confidence on us.
For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a huge
amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee of IT
professionals rather than channeling the money into a "Club" which giving
them an impression that "Club" is something like a group of professionals
hang around for leisure during free time only.

So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.

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[osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Hi all,

Some time back I floated the idea that we needed to get our act together to
present a OSDC.my as a knowledgeable and articulate group. The branding
exercise is a good move, but how many of us can answer in an effective and
coherent way when someone asks, "What is OSDC.my and what does it do?".

This is important as we grow from more than just a group of socially awkward
and acerbic geeks into an organisation that can be a source of smart,
capable and effective FOSS professionals in turn can be fed into the FOSS
needs of the market. It will be catastrophic if we cannot even be articulate
in making a case of, "What is OSDC.my?".

Thus we can forget about being taken seriously, much less be considered for
sponsorship.

The About page at http://202.190.177.148/about gives an excellent
introduction of OSDC.my. Since we are looking at making it, may we consider
changing the word Club to maybe Committee? (or something better? Any
ideas?).

Tun Mahathir may have launched a Club, isn't it about time we grow to
something better? A club, unless you are Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal,
doesn't carry the same weight of being a serious player for talents nor
someplace I will go for paid professionals. It doesn't help if the general
perception of FOSS is free as in teh-o ais limau kurang manis(!) and in come
a FOSS club?!

Simple said you want the $$$ the word club may not be suitable.

It is time for us to grow from geeks who gets boners playing with FOSS to
people who are articulate, professional and radiates confidence and positive
energy.

So perhaps I can humbly put forward my suggested pitch to answer What is
OSDC.my? Here we go, my 3 -minute pitch:

*The Malaysian Open Source Development Club is a non-governmental grassroot
movement by concerned Malaysians to bring together the best FOSS talents in
Malaysia to work and share our talents in making FOSS a compelling computing
platform for all Malaysians. We believe that FOSS is a great opportunity
equaliser, greatly lowers the entrance barriers for businesses and allows us
to be more competitive to easily and legally share the fruits of our labour
with the world. OSDC.my aims to be a one-stop reference for all FOSS
talents, references and coordinate all efforts to promote FOSS in Malaysia.
*


Please do comment constructively. Time is fast approaching MOSC 2011.

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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[E A Faisal]

Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or somethin'?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> sorry, I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
> rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.
>
> BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
> full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...
>
>
> more updates on triCubes
>
>
> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788&sec=business
>
> There are comments made by Pemandu Director: Dr Fadhlullah Suhaimi
> Abdul Malek which is 'interesting' and deserve some comments...
>
> 
>
>For example, the Road Transport Department sends out (via snail
>mail) about two million summonses and notifications yearly that
>cost them about RM1 just to send out and another RM1 if the
>receiver replied.
>
>Tricubes offers 50 sen for the transaction. Just imagine how much
>of taxpayers' money we can save. But the agencies have the right
>to decline the services offered,”
>
> 
>
> ...50c that's a healthy profit considering the cost of pushing bits
> down the wire is next to nothing... comparing to transporting pieces
> of paper.
>
> Obviously the party that loses out will be Pos Malaysia (PM). But then
> again, if the costs/revenue goes to PM, since its tax-payers money, it
> stays within the gov. and goes to pay salaries for civil servants
> etc...
>
> With Tricubes, it goes into private sector pockets... why should my
> tax dollars do that? Is Tricubes gonna grow the industry?
>
> Well this deal certainly saved their butt with the Stock Exchange!
>
> 
>
>   Tricubes is the only company that is publicly listed and our
>   evaluation team has a set of criteria based on techonology, know-
>   how and past performance,” he said.
>
> 
>
> Hmm, technology? Tricubes from what I can gather has little knowhow on
> managing large servers and services. Their core business is on mobile
> terminals (with smart card readers etc...), and they have a USB device
> that reads fingerprints, ... So maybe that's why they 'outsource' to
> MS Hotmail
>
> As Marcus, from InternetNow mentioned, they have a made in Malaysia
> Mail Server, that can compete against the likes of MS Xchange, but
> they were not called to tender?!
>
> So to say Technology was a criteria for the decision by PEMANDU is
> definitely a bit of a stretch... from my perspective, or for the
> average person on this list.
>
>
> 
>The main difference is that your identity data is authenticated by the
>(NRD)National Registration Department that will give accurate
>information on the email.
>
> This is actually good for advertisers that usually rely on gender and
> age group to promote specific products,” he said, adding that
> personal data of the users, as usual, would be protected by
> Personal Data Protection Act.
> 
>
> If this is the case, does it mean that other service providers can
> also use NRD to provide authentification service? As NRD is a gov.
> agency, it should provide equal services to all parties, no? Off
> course subject to the regulations etc... And if NRD is not providing
> this as a service, perhaps they should!
>
> The second para is a bit worrying... does it mean that Tricubes will
> use or resell our NRD data! Are we gonna get spam from TriCubes?
>
>
> There was also a few issues raised in earlier posts which are very
> relevant:
>
> Colin Charles mentioned..., yes there is a need for a national Digital
> ID service (but Tricubes in all their announcements never positioned
> themselves this way), ie: a Malaysian OpenID service and the like.
>
> This will prevent fraud, provide authentification ad authorisation for
> eGov and other online services, a boon to eCommerce etc... BUT there
> is no mention that Tricubes is doing this.
>
> If there is to be a National Digital ID service, then the obvious
> party to do this would be the National Registration Department, after
> all they are the ones that issue our NRIC cards!
>
> And if anyone were to do this, there is no need to spend 10's millions
> to develop new technology, the OpenID foundation provides the protocol
> standards and libraries to do this... just build on them. And they are
> keen to work with governments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> > My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government". The
> MX
> > record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
> national
> > security standpoint, this is very so insecure.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> yes, i believe the article has highlighted a very important opportunity
> >> moving forward - the implementation of cyber id authentication for
> malaysia.
> >>
> >> imagine the potential - register once and use the id to access all the
> >> participating govt agencies (no need to register).
> >>
> >> example : dbkl / tnb / pt