Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[red1]

aiya kod pun tada tau ka? ... tak berapa tau tak pe... itu passion
fruit mesti ada.

On 3/4/11 3:37 PM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
nama dia kedo (kay-dough) dia baik keta baapak dan buat
kopi tiap2 pagi dalam citer tu.
  
maaf saya tak faam apa tuan red1 maksudkan dgn "show me your codes"
saya takut kalau tuan nak tgk $$$ numbers tu yang takut skit tu sebab
tak berapa nak ada sangat :) ahakks..
  2011/3/4 red1 
  Ok,
then as Brother Haris bagi nasihat, we must mean action. If you are
serious to be my khadam, i mean right hand man, show me your codes.
Please, no juniors in my league. Kene macam itu side-kick Hornet, apa
nama budak Bruce Lee tu?


On 3/4/11 10:07 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:

IMHO
everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that we
will do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the comunity
today?
Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?
  
  
  
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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[riZer Enterprise]

nama dia kedo (kay-dough) dia baik keta baapak dan buat kopi tiap2 pagi
dalam citer tu.

maaf saya tak faam apa tuan red1 maksudkan dgn "show me your codes" saya
takut kalau tuan nak tgk $$$ numbers tu yang takut skit tu sebab tak berapa
nak ada sangat :) ahakks..
2011/3/4 red1 

> Ok, then as Brother Haris bagi nasihat, we must mean action. If you are
> serious to be my khadam, i mean right hand man, show me your codes. Please,
> no juniors in my league. Kene macam itu side-kick Hornet, apa nama budak
> Bruce Lee tu?
>
>
> On 3/4/11 10:07 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
>
>> IMHO
>> everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that we
>> will do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the comunity
>> today?
>> Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?
>>
>>
>>
>> svai deutschmark
>> brolinux
>>
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>> hand man... kick ass {it's cool}
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

dear all,

the total cost savings were mainly from reported estimates (not some number
plucked from the sky !) on the following extract :

 *Using OSS as a cost efficient approach for providing web application
services*

Usage and development of OSS solutions have become increasingly
sophisticated particularly for OSS content management and database systems
becoming popular building blocks for developing web based applications and
portals. Using OSS for rapid deployment of web based applications is
estimated to benefit the Government by RM280,489 for each implementation in
respect of reduced imports on foreign proprietary software licensing. These
cost savings is the factor most quoted by agencies for adopting OSS.

 *Use of OSS in shared or outsourced services*

OSS is becoming the solution of choice for the larger agencies, such as the
state governments of Johor and Terengganu, to consolidate and provide shared
services across the agencies without having to increase the infrastructure
and manpower in the smaller agencies. The OSCC itself have already set-up an
Advanced Virtualisation Facility (AVF) that can be suitable for use in such
consolidated services.

 *Increasing competency within the agencies towards in-house OSS
implementation *

Based on the submissions received for the 2008 and 2009 OSS Case Study
Awards, only 20% cited vendor involvement in the implementation reflecting
the increasing competency towards in-house OSS implementations. This is
expected as a result in increased use of OSS for enhancing the delivery of
e-government services particularly in government to community (G2C) and
government to employee (G2E) type of services.

extract

Included in this cost savings estimate is an amount of RM60,124,667 which
the xxx has reported as their estimated cost savings based on an agreement
to a package sum of RM10 million for licensing proprietary Microsoft
software products to institutions under the Ministry. This is in part
attributed to the more competitive software market as a result of the
increase in OSS adoption in the Public Sector.

Besides the above reduction in foreign proprietary software licensing cost,
the top three cost savings are for content management systems
(RM28,898,738), OpenOffice.org (RM28,198,850) and databases (RM20,673,289).
On a global scale there are many instances of using OSS database and content
management systems as the building blocks for web based applications and
portals. With the increased demand for such systems, there are still many
potential opportunities for further cost savings.

i think web application frameworks and also cloud / high availability /
elastic / virtualisation / cluster environments would be the hot business -
a clustered web application using oracle web, oracle db on oracle rac costs
millions (actually only 20% goes back to oracle corp, usa)
now somebody need to come up with a reference architecture and certify the
performance is equivalent




On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:17 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> Among community members, we do have a few that do support on FLOSS,
>
> btw when talking about FLOSS adoption in govt, don't forget about
> infrastructure migration on OS, or database etc, that do save a lot of
> money, the license for the proprietary software they replacing is just
> INSANE.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
>>> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
>>> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
>>> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
>>> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>>>
>>> sudahla... :)
>>>
>>
>> Lets capitalize on this opportunity.  The new FLOSS users need support.
>> Who will put on their business card "Specializing in FLOSS Implementation
>> and Support Services"?
>>
>> And another thought...
>> From the articles, my guess is that their savings comes primarily from
>> dumping Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org.  But OpenOffice.org has
>> fallen out of favor a little bit due to Oracle's influence.  The managers
>> and officers in government offices aren't likely to know anything about
>> this, or even care, but we do.
>>
>> My concern is that now Oracle will basically try to take over where
>> Microsoft left off by locking consumers (government offices included) into
>> some kind of services, modules, and support plan that they can't get from
>> the Open Source world.
>>
>> In a few years will we be fighting Oracle the same way we've fought
>> Microsoft in the past?
>>
>> I can now see why RMS is a *lifelong activist*... it just never ends.
>>
>> I'm curious what everyone thinks.  Does it matter to you?  Is it a
>> problem?
>>
>> Has anyone heard of the related term "Open Core"?
>> What is open core licensing (and what isn’t) 
>> UPDATED

Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Hasanuddin Abu Bakar]

On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:57, Ghodmode  wrote:

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:

>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>
> sudahla... :)
>

Lets capitalize on this opportunity.  The new FLOSS users need support.  Who
will put on their business card "Specializing in FLOSS Implementation and
Support Services"?


Open Kod Sdn Bhd do this :)


And another thought...
>From the articles, my guess is that their savings comes primarily from
dumping Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org.  But OpenOffice.org has
fallen out of favor a little bit due to Oracle's influence.  The managers
and officers in government offices aren't likely to know anything about
this, or even care, but we do.

My concern is that now Oracle will basically try to take over where
Microsoft left off by locking consumers (government offices included) into
some kind of services, modules, and support plan that they can't get from
the Open Source world.

In a few years will we be fighting Oracle the same way we've fought
Microsoft in the past?

I can now see why RMS is a *lifelong activist*... it just never ends.

I'm curious what everyone thinks.  Does it matter to you?  Is it a problem?

Has anyone heard of the related term "Open Core"?
What is open core licensing (and what isn’t)
UPDATED-
451 CAOS Theory
(
http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/10/20/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/
)

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[sweemeng ng]

Among community members, we do have a few that do support on FLOSS,

btw when talking about FLOSS adoption in govt, don't forget about
infrastructure migration on OS, or database etc, that do save a lot of
money, the license for the proprietary software they replacing is just
INSANE.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
>> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
>> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
>> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
>> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>>
>> sudahla... :)
>>
>
> Lets capitalize on this opportunity.  The new FLOSS users need support.
> Who will put on their business card "Specializing in FLOSS Implementation
> and Support Services"?
>
> And another thought...
> From the articles, my guess is that their savings comes primarily from
> dumping Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org.  But OpenOffice.org has
> fallen out of favor a little bit due to Oracle's influence.  The managers
> and officers in government offices aren't likely to know anything about
> this, or even care, but we do.
>
> My concern is that now Oracle will basically try to take over where
> Microsoft left off by locking consumers (government offices included) into
> some kind of services, modules, and support plan that they can't get from
> the Open Source world.
>
> In a few years will we be fighting Oracle the same way we've fought
> Microsoft in the past?
>
> I can now see why RMS is a *lifelong activist*... it just never ends.
>
> I'm curious what everyone thinks.  Does it matter to you?  Is it a problem?
>
> Has anyone heard of the related term "Open Core"?
> What is open core licensing (and what isn’t) 
> UPDATED-
>  451 CAOS Theory
> (
> http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/10/20/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/
> )
>
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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:

>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>
> sudahla... :)
>

Lets capitalize on this opportunity.  The new FLOSS users need support.  Who
will put on their business card "Specializing in FLOSS Implementation and
Support Services"?

And another thought...
>From the articles, my guess is that their savings comes primarily from
dumping Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org.  But OpenOffice.org has
fallen out of favor a little bit due to Oracle's influence.  The managers
and officers in government offices aren't likely to know anything about
this, or even care, but we do.

My concern is that now Oracle will basically try to take over where
Microsoft left off by locking consumers (government offices included) into
some kind of services, modules, and support plan that they can't get from
the Open Source world.

In a few years will we be fighting Oracle the same way we've fought
Microsoft in the past?

I can now see why RMS is a *lifelong activist*... it just never ends.

I'm curious what everyone thinks.  Does it matter to you?  Is it a problem?

Has anyone heard of the related term "Open Core"?
What is open core licensing (and what isn’t)
UPDATED-
451 CAOS Theory
(
http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/10/20/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/
)

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Soire Meira]

erk.. khadam???

2011/3/4 red1 

> Ok, then as Brother Haris bagi nasihat, we must mean action. If you are
> serious to be my khadam, i mean right hand man, show me your codes. Please,
> no juniors in my league. Kene macam itu side-kick Hornet, apa nama budak
> Bruce Lee tu?
>
>
> On 3/4/11 10:07 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
>
>> IMHO
>> everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that we
>> will do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the comunity
>> today?
>> Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?
>>
>>
>>
>> svai deutschmark
>> brolinux
>>
>> *memang nak tumpang glamour tuan red1 no better yet let me be your right
>> hand man... kick ass {it's cool}
>>
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[red1]

Ok, then as Brother Haris bagi nasihat, we must mean action. If you are 
serious to be my khadam, i mean right hand man, show me your codes. 
Please, no juniors in my league. Kene macam itu side-kick Hornet, apa 
nama budak Bruce Lee tu?


On 3/4/11 10:07 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:

IMHO
everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that 
we will do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the 
comunity today?

Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?



svai deutschmark
brolinux

*memang nak tumpang glamour tuan red1 no better yet let me be your 
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[riZer Enterprise]

IMHO
everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that we will
do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the comunity today?
Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?



svai deutschmark
brolinux

*memang nak tumpang glamour tuan red1 no better yet let me be your right
hand man... kick ass {it's cool}
2011/3/4 red1 

> I dont have another plan. I am on free-flow from day one. I code and upload
> to kick ass. And i dont mean small kuchi rat ass. As Riz quoted me in front
> of Dr. M, "one day he wants SAP to die".
> What i bitching here for the last 2 years is against hyprocrisy. And
> falsified numbers.
>
> By the way, i always supported your plan. I like the MyOSCON yearly thingy
> alot. Even though there are weaknesses but they are all on the right track.
> It takes time. Just that i think it should be more mindblowing like the
> style of Law Abiding Citizen. But then, many of us (the rest of us :) ) are
> bit kuuchi rats. Kiasu.
>
> My dream plan (which i am doing anyway daily in my farm) is to produce
> something that will make Steve Jobs tertiarap. Actually he is quite kurang
> sihat and i am sorry if he tertiarap kerana sebab2 tu plak. So better awe
> him before that.
>
> My dream plan is to produce the Google Earth/Map - Sphinx voice recognition
> interface integrated to ERP (that owns the backend heavyhouse) and with my
> voice, i can activate transactions across the globe and see all the status
> color code in 3D ( i saw Green Hornet alredy.. Wariola bawa saya ke Berjaya
> Times Square hari tu). So ade orang mau sponsor itu ka? I dont think so.
> Only when _after_ you done kaw-kaw barulah semua sibuk-sibuk nak tumpang
> glamour pula.
>
>
> On 3/4/11 9:04 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>
>> What do you propose? You are not answering me. For 2 years this list
>> exist we already discuss a lot.
>>
>> Its not THINKING time. Its action time. Every one that write or
>> suggestion in this list already doing things.
>>
>> SO 
>>
>> What you are doing?
>>
>> Can I have your schedule to sync with mine?
>>
>> Can I have your plan to sync with mine?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I want the community to think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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[red1]

I dont have another plan. I am on free-flow from day one. I code and 
upload to kick ass. And i dont mean small kuchi rat ass. As Riz quoted 
me in front of Dr. M, "one day he wants SAP to die".
What i bitching here for the last 2 years is against hyprocrisy. And 
falsified numbers.


By the way, i always supported your plan. I like the MyOSCON yearly 
thingy alot. Even though there are weaknesses but they are all on the 
right track. It takes time. Just that i think it should be more 
mindblowing like the style of Law Abiding Citizen. But then, many of us 
(the rest of us :) ) are bit kuuchi rats. Kiasu.


My dream plan (which i am doing anyway daily in my farm) is to produce 
something that will make Steve Jobs tertiarap. Actually he is quite 
kurang sihat and i am sorry if he tertiarap kerana sebab2 tu plak. So 
better awe him before that.


My dream plan is to produce the Google Earth/Map - Sphinx voice 
recognition interface integrated to ERP (that owns the backend 
heavyhouse) and with my voice, i can activate transactions across the 
globe and see all the status color code in 3D ( i saw Green Hornet 
alredy.. Wariola bawa saya ke Berjaya Times Square hari tu). So ade 
orang mau sponsor itu ka? I dont think so. Only when _after_ you done 
kaw-kaw barulah semua sibuk-sibuk nak tumpang glamour pula.


On 3/4/11 9:04 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

What do you propose? You are not answering me. For 2 years this list
exist we already discuss a lot.

Its not THINKING time. Its action time. Every one that write or
suggestion in this list already doing things.

SO 

What you are doing?

Can I have your schedule to sync with mine?

Can I have your plan to sync with mine?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, red1  wrote:
   

I want the community to think.

 
   


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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[red1]

Sorry.. i made a typo below its RM188m (tertinggal pula figure M,
kekekee)

Azrul, Excuse Moi?
What u mean? Vous Lompate Marine?


On 3/4/11 9:03 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
Wow! I'm going to champion proprietary software la from
now on
  
  
  
  
  On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1 
wrote:
  
http://www.opensource.org/node/535
- 
Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption
and saves 
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
RM188!
Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

  
  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

What do you propose? You are not answering me. For 2 years this list
exist we already discuss a lot.

Its not THINKING time. Its action time. Every one that write or
suggestion in this list already doing things.

SO 

What you are doing?

Can I have your schedule to sync with mine?

Can I have your plan to sync with mine?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, red1  wrote:
> I want the community to think.
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[Azrul MADISA]

Wow! I'm going to champion proprietary software la from now on



On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:

>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>
> sudahla... :)
>
> ..
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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[red1]

I want the community to think.

On 3/4/11 8:57 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

SO ?

What next step you want community to do?

Can you get this number to politician and get the buy in?

Any plan that you can show to us?

Any schedule that we can follow?

Any contact that we can communicate?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:
   

http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -

Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption

and saves
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million

RM188!

Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

SO ?

What next step you want community to do?

Can you get this number to politician and get the buy in?

Any plan that you can show to us?

Any schedule that we can follow?

Any contact that we can communicate?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:
> http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
>
> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption
>
> and saves
> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
>
> RM188!
>
> Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
> tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>
> sudahla... :)
>
> ..

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[osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

[red1]

http://www.opensource.org/node/535 - 
Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption
and saves 
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
RM188!
Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

..






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