Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim]

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Indon macam-macam ada.. ;)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:20 AM, aziman noor  wrote:

> Indonesia lagi hebat, ada ASPA (asli tapi palsu), sbb tu termasuk dalam
> Priority List.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:03 AM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  On 3/4/11 9:55 AM, Ghodmode wrote:
>>
>> By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to my list of *must visit* places
>> if I ever get to spend some time in KL :D
>> --
>>
>> Ah, another newbie on PS. Allow me to humbly advise you to be careful and
>> follow these basic rules:
>>
>> 1. Do not bargain unless you already got a fixed price to buy. The chinese
>> there are gangsters. I seen them trying to box a kuailoh after he refused to
>> pay the price he asked for prior.
>>
>> 2. Do not forget rule 1.
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On 4/03/2011 7:47 p.m., Boh Yap wrote:

  hi,

to get a better understanding about all this issue about how
copyrights are used to manipulate 'culture' for the benefit of a few
(the so called media-companies, or as they like to call themselves,
content owners. But they don't actually own it the individual artists
do...) , read Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig. (he is a Law Proffessor
at Yale, if I remember correctly..)

Law professor at Harvard... I looked it up :)

http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/

Thanks.  I haven't read the book yet, but I will now :)



Here he draws the difference about Free Culture, ie: when ppl sit
around a camp fire and sing songs, tell stories... and Commercial
Culture, where someone records those content, prepare it into some
media and sells it. In the days of physical media and distribuition
(paper, CDs) this demarcation is quite clear. As the technology
changes, from physical to electronic (Radio, TV) these 'media'
companies fought to maintain their own interests and helped push for
even stronger copyright laws... But you still required large resources
or relied on the media companies to create cultural content. And the
media company 'controlled' the technologies and even suppressed
technology that could threaten their monopolies.

With the internet, it became possible and even easy for ordinary
persons to create and distribute content, and resulted in a burst of
creativity... and this threatened the media companies! And they will
do what they can to control the technology and suppress 'independent'
content creators.

Another point that was brought up was that new creative (cultural)
works, historically, was always based on prior work - a new piece. of
music being based on an earlier work... but by having too strong
copyright laws, this would not be possible and hence may suppress
creativity. ie: the MPAA could sue you if you used 'commercial'
soundtrack on a video you shot and put on YouTube.

Yes piracy is bad because it deprives artist off earnings, and
discourages them from producing more content. But to have strong
copy-right laws to protect the interests of media companies is a not a
solution either.
I'd say it's the media companies that are depriving the artists of 
earnings.  The media companies take ownership of the art that they 
didn't create, then they take most of the money and leave the artist 
with only a very small percentage.


It's a broken, outdated business model.  Without it, the artists will 
still create art and earn money.  Piracy only deprives media companies 
of earnings, not artists.


Related thread fork: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/kk-lug/legal$20media/kk-lug/XxBGE_XxrSQ/en-PvEW-YX8J
I blogged about it, too: 
http://www.ghodmode.com/blog/2009/06/is-piracy-wrong/




Besides, FLOSS or Creative Commons content also threaten them, simply
because its something thats difficult for them to control and offers
an alternative to the stuff that they are peddling.

go read the book... its available online ...

FREE CULTURE
HOW BIG MEDIA USES TECHNOLOGY AND THE LAW TO LOCK DOWN CULTURE AND
CONTROL CREATIVITY

BY LAWRENCE LESSIG

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:

hi

No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
impacted!


Thank you Boh Yap for making a very important point.  Copyright law is
completely broken because commercial organizations such as MPAA and RIAA
have too much influence over lawmakers.  Their mission is to make as much
money as possible and they influence lawmakers to make laws that support
their goals.

We might have a problem in Malaysia with illegal software, music, videos,
etc, but this IIPA list isn't an indicator.  It's just another piece of
propaganda in a war against consumers.

-- Ghodmode



And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
CDs and distribute them??




On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
  wrote:

Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate

For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
mention about OSS,

http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf

"which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
equitable market access to software companies."

and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
about it. So more work to us as community.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khus

Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Boh Yap]

 hi,

to get a better understanding about all this issue about how
copyrights are used to manipulate 'culture' for the benefit of a few
(the so called media-companies, or as they like to call themselves,
content owners. But they don't actually own it the individual artists
do...) , read Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig. (he is a Law Proffessor
at Yale, if I remember correctly..)

Here he draws the difference about Free Culture, ie: when ppl sit
around a camp fire and sing songs, tell stories... and Commercial
Culture, where someone records those content, prepare it into some
media and sells it. In the days of physical media and distribuition
(paper, CDs) this demarcation is quite clear. As the technology
changes, from physical to electronic (Radio, TV) these 'media'
companies fought to maintain their own interests and helped push for
even stronger copyright laws... But you still required large resources
or relied on the media companies to create cultural content. And the
media company 'controlled' the technologies and even suppressed
technology that could threaten their monopolies.

With the internet, it became possible and even easy for ordinary
persons to create and distribute content, and resulted in a burst of
creativity... and this threatened the media companies! And they will
do what they can to control the technology and suppress 'independent'
content creators.

Another point that was brought up was that new creative (cultural)
works, historically, was always based on prior work - a new piece. of
music being based on an earlier work... but by having too strong
copyright laws, this would not be possible and hence may suppress
creativity. ie: the MPAA could sue you if you used 'commercial'
soundtrack on a video you shot and put on YouTube.

Yes piracy is bad because it deprives artist off earnings, and
discourages them from producing more content. But to have strong
copy-right laws to protect the interests of media companies is a not a
solution either.

Besides, FLOSS or Creative Commons content also threaten them, simply
because its something thats difficult for them to control and offers
an alternative to the stuff that they are peddling.

go read the book... its available online ...

FREE CULTURE
HOW BIG MEDIA USES TECHNOLOGY AND THE LAW TO LOCK DOWN CULTURE AND
CONTROL CREATIVITY

BY LAWRENCE LESSIG

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:
>>
>> hi
>>
>> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
>> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
>> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
>> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
>> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
>> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
>> impacted!
>>
>
> Thank you Boh Yap for making a very important point.  Copyright law is
> completely broken because commercial organizations such as MPAA and RIAA
> have too much influence over lawmakers.  Their mission is to make as much
> money as possible and they influence lawmakers to make laws that support
> their goals.
>
> We might have a problem in Malaysia with illegal software, music, videos,
> etc, but this IIPA list isn't an indicator.  It's just another piece of
> propaganda in a war against consumers.
>
> -- Ghodmode
>
>
>>
>> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>>
>> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>>
>> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
>> CDs and distribute them??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>>  wrote:
>> > Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
>> > pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
>> >
>> > For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
>> > mention about OSS,
>> >
>> > http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
>> >
>> > "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
>> > equitable market access to software companies."
>> >
>> > and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
>> > about it. So more work to us as community.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
>> >> (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.
>> >> Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
>> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> hi
>
> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
> impacted!
>
>
Thank you Boh Yap for making a very important point.  Copyright law is
completely broken because commercial organizations such as MPAA and RIAA
have too much influence over lawmakers.  Their mission is to make as much
money as possible and they influence lawmakers to make laws that support
their goals.

We might have a problem in Malaysia with illegal software, music, videos,
etc, but this IIPA list isn't an indicator.  It's just another piece of
propaganda in a war against consumers.

-- Ghodmode



> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>
> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>
> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
> CDs and distribute them??
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
> > Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
> > pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
> >
> > For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
> > mention about OSS,
> >
> > http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
> >
> > "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
> > equitable market access to software companies."
> >
> > and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
> > about it. So more work to us as community.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
> >  wrote:
> >> Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
> >> (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.
> >> Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
> >>
> >
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>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Tajul Azhar]

Indon macam-macam ada.. ;)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:20 AM, aziman noor  wrote:

> Indonesia lagi hebat, ada ASPA (asli tapi palsu), sbb tu termasuk dalam
> Priority List.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:03 AM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  On 3/4/11 9:55 AM, Ghodmode wrote:
>>
>> By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to my list of *must visit* places
>> if I ever get to spend some time in KL :D
>> --
>>
>> Ah, another newbie on PS. Allow me to humbly advise you to be careful and
>> follow these basic rules:
>>
>> 1. Do not bargain unless you already got a fixed price to buy. The chinese
>> there are gangsters. I seen them trying to box a kuailoh after he refused to
>> pay the price he asked for prior.
>>
>> 2. Do not forget rule 1.
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[aziman noor]

Indonesia lagi hebat, ada ASPA (asli tapi palsu), sbb tu termasuk dalam
Priority List.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:03 AM, red1  wrote:

>  On 3/4/11 9:55 AM, Ghodmode wrote:
>
> By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to my list of *must visit* places
> if I ever get to spend some time in KL :D
> --
>
> Ah, another newbie on PS. Allow me to humbly advise you to be careful and
> follow these basic rules:
>
> 1. Do not bargain unless you already got a fixed price to buy. The chinese
> there are gangsters. I seen them trying to box a kuailoh after he refused to
> pay the price he asked for prior.
>
> 2. Do not forget rule 1.
>
> .
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

> Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
> pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
>
> For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
> mention about OSS,
>
> http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
>
> "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
> equitable market access to software companies."
>

That's a good point that I often forget.  I focus on moral implications that
directly affect my community or me as an individual, but this also affects
national economy, community, and development.  A company that otherwise
might invest in Malaysia may decide not to because of this list.

I agree that we need to promote the benefits of FLOSS, but I hesitate to
suggest that piracy, as the corporations have defined it, is *evil*.  It *is
* illegal and endorsing or encouraging illegal activities can hurt us on
many levels even if those laws could be considered unjust.

In public venues, I often try to use the negative propaganda like this list
as a tool.  Small companies often do pick pirated software first.  Then they
are faced with either worrying about getting caught or paying too-high
prices to get licensed.  I discuss that scenario, then present FLOSS as the
solution.

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[red1]

On 3/4/11 9:55 AM, Ghodmode wrote:
By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to
my list of must visit places if I ever get to spend some time
in KL :D
--

Ah, another newbie on PS. Allow me to humbly advise you to be careful
and follow these basic rules:

1. Do not bargain unless you already got a fixed price to buy. The
chinese there are gangsters. I seen them trying to box a kuailoh after
he refused to pay the price he asked for prior.

2. Do not forget rule 1.

.





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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

> Free Software!! And beards! GAR!
>
> //ha...@qedx.com
>
>
+1 for beards! ... now if I could just convince my wife :)

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to my list of *must visit* places if
I ever get to spend some time in KL :D

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1  wrote:

>  ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
> pirating?
> I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
> issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
> software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
> hope).
>

Absolutely not.  The conditions of the licenses that cover (almost?) all
Linux distributions explicitly allow copying and distributing the software.
However, if the software is represented as something else, they're probably
doing something immoral, if not illegal.

>From several years ago, I remember reading about a local (here in KK)
company that was putting a different name on a standard OpenOffice.org
installation CD and selling it as their own product.  That's certainly
shady, but I'm not sure how it would have been handled in a court.  I
couldn't find any information about it just now, though.

Related:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/kk-lug/agyaslLu0vs/discussion

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[sweemeng ng]

Because it is a joke that failed to happen,
i was refering to the one post on jalan petaling on this thread

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
>>
> Why not?  If I host an MP3 file containing a copyrighted song on my
> website, the company that owns the rights to the song will probably try to
> have my site taken down.
>
> In this context, the term "piracy" was rhetoric used by to make people who
> share seem evil.  It doesn't really mean anything.  It's more or less
> slander.
>
> -- Ghodmode
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ghodmode]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
>
Why not?  If I host an MP3 file containing a copyrighted song on my website,
the company that owns the rights to the song will probably try to have my
site taken down.

In this context, the term "piracy" was rhetoric used by to make people who
share seem evil.  It doesn't really mean anything.  It's more or less
slander.

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Haris bin Ali]

Free Software!! And beards! GAR!

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff
 wrote:
> they didn't aware with the term Open Source, someone should wake them about
> it
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1  wrote:
>>
>> ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
>> pirating?
>> I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
>> issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
>> software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
>> hope).
>>
>> On 3/4/11 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:
>>
>> It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2011 6:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:
>> > On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
>> >> hi
>> >>
>> >> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
>> >> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
>> >> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
>> >> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
>> >> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
>> >> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
>> >> impacted!
>> >>
>> >> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>> >>
>> >> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>> >>
>> >> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
>> >> CDs and distribute them??
>> >>
>> > No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here
>> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files
>> >
>> > .
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[red1]

That was quite some years back, i am sure before OSCC's time. Someone
woke up abit by now. But still long way to go. FOSS is regarded as
risky, anarchy as in wikileaks and Tahrir Square. If Govt pun tak caya
sama orang kito... oh i forgot, show them the numbers first...

On 3/4/11 8:38 AM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff wrote:
they didn't aware with the term Open Source, someone
should wake them about it
  
  On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1 
wrote:
  

ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
pirating?
I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
hope).

  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff]

they didn't aware with the term Open Source, someone should wake them about
it

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1  wrote:

>  ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
> pirating?
> I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
> issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
> software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
> hope).
>
> On 3/4/11 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:
>
> It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
> On Mar 4, 2011 6:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:
> > On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
> >> hi
> >>
> >> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
> >> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
> >> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
> >> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
> >> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
> >> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
> >> impacted!
> >>
> >> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
> >>
> >> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
> >>
> >> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
> >> CDs and distribute them??
> >>
> > No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files
> >
> > .
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[red1]

ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
pirating?
I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
hope).

On 3/4/11 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:

  It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
  On Mar 4, 2011 6:06 AM, "red1" 
wrote:
> On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this
program
>> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
>> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and
kids for
>> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
>> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a
pittance! They
>> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their
earnings are
>> impacted!
>>
>> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>>
>> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>>
>> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of
Adempiere
>> CDs and distribute them??
>> 
> No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files
> 
> .
  

 





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[sweemeng ng]

It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
On Mar 4, 2011 6:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:
> On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
>> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
>> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
>> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
>> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
>> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
>> impacted!
>>
>> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>>
>> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>>
>> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
>> CDs and distribute them??
>>
> No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files
>
> .
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[red1]

On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

hi

No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
impacted!

And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
CDs and distribute them??
   
 No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files


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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Boh Yap]

hi

No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
impacted!

And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
CDs and distribute them??




On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
> pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
>
> For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
> mention about OSS,
>
> http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
>
> "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
> equitable market access to software companies."
>
> and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
> about it. So more work to us as community.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>  wrote:
>> Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
>> (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.
>> Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
>>
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[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate

For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
mention about OSS,

http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf

"which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
equitable market access to software companies."

and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
about it. So more work to us as community.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
 wrote:
> Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
> (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.
> Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
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[red1]

Ni semua cina petaling street punya pasal. Selagi mereka ada, selagi
senantiasa ceplak semua. I call this Freedom.

On 3/3/11 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini wrote:
Morning guys (it you were at GMT +1).
  
  
  Because of suffering cold weather here at Liege, Belgium..I've
borrowed my friend laptop and just surf the net, and all of sudden I
found this:-
  
  
  
  
  http://www.iipa.com/2011_SPEC301_TOC.htm
  
  
  Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source
Software (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace
too.
  
  
  Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
  
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[Hasan Abu Bakar]

Bila nak balik Malaysia?


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> Because of suffering cold weather here at Liege, Belgium..I've borrowed my
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[osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

Morning guys (it you were at GMT +1).

Because of suffering cold weather here at Liege, Belgium..I've borrowed my
friend laptop and just surf the net, and all of sudden I found this:-

http://www.iipa.com/2011_SPEC301_TOC.htm

Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
(FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.

Just share with you guys. Thanks
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