Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-31 Terurut Topik riZer Enterprise
saya mencadangkan banned kan je sesaper yang tak nak letak komuniti dulu
dalam agenda dia

bro

2011/3/31 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com

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 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thats website is not informative enough. Membazir aje bayar Google
 Adwords. Who to contact what to do next tak de.


 whois domain tu la..kalau orang tau :p


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  unfortunately I got friends working with asiatalk..
  touche :p

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-31 Terurut Topik riZer Enterprise
why not start reading guys
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5014951

azhar

2011/4/1 riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com

 saya mencadangkan banned kan je sesaper yang tak nak letak komuniti dulu
 dalam agenda dia

 bro


 2011/3/31 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com

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 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thats website is not informative enough. Membazir aje bayar Google
 Adwords. Who to contact what to do next tak de.


 whois domain tu la..kalau orang tau :p


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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-31 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
That is not right. Red Hat and SUSE also doesn't put the community,
but customers first. Should we ban them? Same does Canonical. These
three companies are there to make money. Their community projects,
Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu, respectively put the community first.


Eric

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rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 saya mencadangkan banned kan je sesaper yang tak nak letak komuniti dulu
 dalam agenda dia

 bro

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 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thats website is not informative enough. Membazir aje bayar Google
 Adwords. Who to contact what to do next tak de.

 whois domain tu la..kalau orang tau :p

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-31 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
Well it seems the company has its direction wrong.

Nobody will fall for a Flash-y site anymore. If any, most of us,
with the exception for Youtube couldn't care less for flash.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote:
 unfortunately I got friends working with asiatalk..
 touche :p

 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't know who is behind Asiatalk. It speaks volumes when you get to a
 website that is fluffed by Flash and nothing else.

 Eric

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi Eric and all,
 
  noted; I got the IBM link from this page:
 
  http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1/study_materials/new_exam_preparation_resources_for_revised_lpic_exams
 
  and it says the materials may be updated. The doc on the link was was
  dated Aug 2009.
 
  I followed and clicked the various links, most of the others are not
  in English, or require you to pay/sign-up for a course before you can
  see the syllabus (I did not try very hard to search..). The IBM site
  showed that info quite clearly, so that's how I ended up there. I put
  it on this list for those who want to see what the syllabus is like.
  Its pretty comprehensive, and I may not be able to pass this!
 
  BTW who are these guys?
     http://lpi.asiatalk.com.my   -- from GoogleAds
 
  I went to their website, they talk about LPI but nothing about
  themselves .., who are the trainers, their background, ...
  Are they part of any FLOSS community, or someone out to make a quick
  buck?
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
  msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Boh,
 
  The one at the IBM site me thinks is the old syllabus. LPI is
  developed by a consortium of vendors including people like Novell, IBM
   Red Hat. The certification program itself is considered neutral and
  applicable to moat distros.
 
  As for the syllabus always check the LPI site for the latest and moat
  concise one.
 
  Eric
 
  On Wednesday, March 30, 2011, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  Eric,
 
  so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...
 
  FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
  Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
  make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
  whom I believe IBM also offers...
 
 
  http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
  msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Boh,
 
  LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.
 
  But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
  only appreciate vendor certifications.
 
  Eric
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi all,
 
  perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
  across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
  interesting and different.
 
  if you go to LPI:
     http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
     http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1
 
  It will explain it.
 
  From what I interprete... as stated:
 
  ...does not have an official single method of test preparation.
  We
  encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
  within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and
  innovation
 
  Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
  developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
  back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own'
  the
  course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
  developed it.
 
  Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also
  the
  'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
  evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.
 
  If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as
  stated:
 
  After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
  others and train by them self and share with others how to become
  the
  trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...
 
  However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
  have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI
  is
  recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?)
  Will
  Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?
 
  I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
  the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they
  have
  to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
  have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
  those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!
 
  The first way will create skillful and capable students.
 
  The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in
  exam,
  but have little skills and 

Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel
Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
hi all,

perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
interesting and different.

if you go to LPI:
http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

It will explain it.

From what I interprete... as stated:

...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
developed it.

Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

The first way will create skillful and capable students.

The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
I hope the selection is done with care...


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
Boh,

LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.

But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
only appreciate vendor certifications.

Eric


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
Eric,

so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...

FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
whom I believe IBM also offers...

http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.

 But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
 only appreciate vendor certifications.

 Eric


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Mohd Fazli Azran
Thanks Boh Yap,

Indeed this is a good explanation about LPI I do agree your statement you 
should apply this project too. Your spirit might help others trainer  to 
understand more on how to be good trainer and understand on the concept.

I do get private email from many others expert regarding LPI and they want to 
share and develop LPI syllabus for Malaysia and will standardise material. 

We want create more skill people not just only in paper. LPI are already get 
support by MOHE, Our job now is think how to collaborate with our academia to 
adopt LPI and others OSS syllabus so maybe help our student be more skill and 
can challenge our IT industry requirement. It a long way to achieve that 
something need to be done 1st because after this BSDA, RHA n NLC will follow. 

We need more information, Knowledge and experience people to share what their 
got and share with us. It not simple as nut but should take action rather 
nothing.

For the selection we will do with official LPI staff and we will discuss how we 
want produce skillful and creative trainers and hope we can get the 1st batch 
Top10 LPI Trainers. 
 
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hi all,

perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
interesting and different.

if you go to LPI:
http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

It will explain it.

From what I interprete... as stated:

...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
developed it.

Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

The first way will create skillful and capable students.

The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
I hope the selection is done with care...


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
Ya. Aku dah email dalam milist ni tgh cari 2 orang certified LPI dan 1
orang expert moodle untuk 1 tender MOE. LMS untuk pioneer 70 buah
sekolah. Dalam tender dah tercatat nak certified LPI dan bukan rhce
atau lain2.


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On 30 Mar 2011, at 19:54, Mohd Fazli Azran mfazliaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Boh Yap,

 Indeed this is a good explanation about LPI I do agree your statement you 
 should apply this project too. Your spirit might help others trainer  to 
 understand more on how to be good trainer and understand on the concept.

 I do get private email from many others expert regarding LPI and they want to 
 share and develop LPI syllabus for Malaysia and will standardise material.

 We want create more skill people not just only in paper. LPI are already get 
 support by MOHE, Our job now is think how to collaborate with our academia to 
 adopt LPI and others OSS syllabus so maybe help our student be more skill and 
 can challenge our IT industry requirement. It a long way to achieve that 
 something need to be done 1st because after this BSDA, RHA n NLC will follow.

 We need more information, Knowledge and experience people to share what their 
 got and share with us. It not simple as nut but should take action rather 
 nothing.

 For the selection we will do with official LPI staff and we will discuss how 
 we want produce skillful and creative trainers and hope we can get the 1st 
 batch Top10 LPI Trainers.

 Sent by my BlackCerry® Smartphone Powered by Wireless DIGImon

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 From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com
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 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:26:15
 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
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 Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
hi Mohd Fadzil,

thnk you for yr comment, I wld like to be involved but I'm afraid I
may not have so much time to commit. Although I have done my fair
share of Linux installs and SysAdmin, and am setting up a 1U Debian
box to be a production server now (4core CPU, RAID, LVM...), my
primary interst is more on SW development and programming and I would
like to be involved more in the training of programmers and SW
development, especially in Python and applying Python in Web
Development.

It is also good to hear that MOHE is involved, and hopefully it will
change the way our Edu system to produces better quality
graduates/professionals. (and I have ranted on this..)

PS
I have applied as I would like to contribue, but as I said in my
application, pls give my place up if there are better candidates.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran mfazliaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Boh Yap,

 Indeed this is a good explanation about LPI I do agree your statement you 
 should apply this project too. Your spirit might help others trainer  to 
 understand more on how to be good trainer and understand on the concept.

 I do get private email from many others expert regarding LPI and they want to 
 share and develop LPI syllabus for Malaysia and will standardise material.

 We want create more skill people not just only in paper. LPI are already get 
 support by MOHE, Our job now is think how to collaborate with our academia to 
 adopt LPI and others OSS syllabus so maybe help our student be more skill and 
 can challenge our IT industry requirement. It a long way to achieve that 
 something need to be done 1st because after this BSDA, RHA n NLC will follow.

 We need more information, Knowledge and experience people to share what their 
 got and share with us. It not simple as nut but should take action rather 
 nothing.

 For the selection we will do with official LPI staff and we will discuss how 
 we want produce skillful and creative trainers and hope we can get the 1st 
 batch Top10 LPI Trainers.

 Sent by my BlackCerry® Smartphone Powered by Wireless DIGImon

 -Original Message-
 From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com
 Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:26:15
 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
Boh,

The one at the IBM site me thinks is the old syllabus. LPI is
developed by a consortium of vendors including people like Novell, IBM
 Red Hat. The certification program itself is considered neutral and
applicable to moat distros.

As for the syllabus always check the LPI site for the latest and moat
concise one.

Eric

On Wednesday, March 30, 2011, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...

 FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
 Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
 make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
 whom I believe IBM also offers...

 http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.

 But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
 only appreciate vendor certifications.

 Eric


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek 
 untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
hi Eric and all,

noted; I got the IBM link from this page:
   
http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1/study_materials/new_exam_preparation_resources_for_revised_lpic_exams

and it says the materials may be updated. The doc on the link was was
dated Aug 2009.

I followed and clicked the various links, most of the others are not
in English, or require you to pay/sign-up for a course before you can
see the syllabus (I did not try very hard to search..). The IBM site
showed that info quite clearly, so that's how I ended up there. I put
it on this list for those who want to see what the syllabus is like.
Its pretty comprehensive, and I may not be able to pass this!

BTW who are these guys?
http://lpi.asiatalk.com.my   -- from GoogleAds

I went to their website, they talk about LPI but nothing about
themselves .., who are the trainers, their background, ...
Are they part of any FLOSS community, or someone out to make a quick buck?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 The one at the IBM site me thinks is the old syllabus. LPI is
 developed by a consortium of vendors including people like Novell, IBM
  Red Hat. The certification program itself is considered neutral and
 applicable to moat distros.

 As for the syllabus always check the LPI site for the latest and moat
 concise one.

 Eric

 On Wednesday, March 30, 2011, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...

 FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
 Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
 make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
 whom I believe IBM also offers...

 http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.

 But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
 only appreciate vendor certifications.

 Eric


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek 
 untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good luck!

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
Don't know who is behind Asiatalk. It speaks volumes when you get to a
website that is fluffed by Flash and nothing else.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Eric and all,

 noted; I got the IBM link from this page:
   
 http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1/study_materials/new_exam_preparation_resources_for_revised_lpic_exams

 and it says the materials may be updated. The doc on the link was was
 dated Aug 2009.

 I followed and clicked the various links, most of the others are not
 in English, or require you to pay/sign-up for a course before you can
 see the syllabus (I did not try very hard to search..). The IBM site
 showed that info quite clearly, so that's how I ended up there. I put
 it on this list for those who want to see what the syllabus is like.
 Its pretty comprehensive, and I may not be able to pass this!

 BTW who are these guys?
    http://lpi.asiatalk.com.my   -- from GoogleAds

 I went to their website, they talk about LPI but nothing about
 themselves .., who are the trainers, their background, ...
 Are they part of any FLOSS community, or someone out to make a quick buck?

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 The one at the IBM site me thinks is the old syllabus. LPI is
 developed by a consortium of vendors including people like Novell, IBM
  Red Hat. The certification program itself is considered neutral and
 applicable to moat distros.

 As for the syllabus always check the LPI site for the latest and moat
 concise one.

 Eric

 On Wednesday, March 30, 2011, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric,

 so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...

 FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
 Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
 make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
 whom I believe IBM also offers...

 http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boh,

 LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.

 But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
 only appreciate vendor certifications.

 Eric


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,

 perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
 across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
 interesting and different.

 if you go to LPI:
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
    http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1

 It will explain it.

 From what I interprete... as stated:

 ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
 encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
 within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation

 Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
 developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
 back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own' the
 course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
 developed it.

 Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also the
 'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
 evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.

 If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as stated:

 After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
 others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
 trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...

 However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
 have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI is
 recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?) Will
 Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?

 I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
 the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
 to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
 have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
 those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!

 The first way will create skillful and capable students.

 The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in exam,
 but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.

 I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the trainees!
 I hope the selection is done with care...


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this first batch, we will
 trained more. Lets us make sure this batch success and then expand it
 to others. Top20 Top50 maybe.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM,  ta...@sabily.my wrote:
 Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek 
 untuk
 pemilihan 10 orang tu.
 Good 

Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
unfortunately I got friends working with asiatalk..
touche :p

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't know who is behind Asiatalk. It speaks volumes when you get to a
 website that is fluffed by Flash and nothing else.

 Eric

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi Eric and all,
 
  noted; I got the IBM link from this page:
 
 http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1/study_materials/new_exam_preparation_resources_for_revised_lpic_exams
 
  and it says the materials may be updated. The doc on the link was was
  dated Aug 2009.
 
  I followed and clicked the various links, most of the others are not
  in English, or require you to pay/sign-up for a course before you can
  see the syllabus (I did not try very hard to search..). The IBM site
  showed that info quite clearly, so that's how I ended up there. I put
  it on this list for those who want to see what the syllabus is like.
  Its pretty comprehensive, and I may not be able to pass this!
 
  BTW who are these guys?
 http://lpi.asiatalk.com.my   -- from GoogleAds
 
  I went to their website, they talk about LPI but nothing about
  themselves .., who are the trainers, their background, ...
  Are they part of any FLOSS community, or someone out to make a quick
 buck?
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
  msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Boh,
 
  The one at the IBM site me thinks is the old syllabus. LPI is
  developed by a consortium of vendors including people like Novell, IBM
   Red Hat. The certification program itself is considered neutral and
  applicable to moat distros.
 
  As for the syllabus always check the LPI site for the latest and moat
  concise one.
 
  Eric
 
  On Wednesday, March 30, 2011, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  Eric,
 
  so does that mean they don't recognize LPI? If so too bad...
 
  FYI, I managed to track down a sort of syllabus, this is from IBM
  Developer Works, and yes IBM recognises and supports LPI, does that
  make it a 'vendor certification' ? Its no different from Red Hat's
  whom I believe IBM also offers...
 
 
 http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux/l-lpic1-v3-map/l-lpic1-v3-map-pdf.pdf
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
  msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Boh,
 
  LPI is part of their Core Competency programme.
 
  But since the Govt is too used to the vendor system, they tend to
  only appreciate vendor certifications.
 
  Eric
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi all,
 
  perhaps there should be a bit more information about LPI I came
  across them a few years back, and thought their concept was very
  interesting and different.
 
  if you go to LPI:
 http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi
 http://www.lpi.org/eng/training__1
 
  It will explain it.
 
  From what I interprete... as stated:
 
  ...does not have an official single method of test preparation. We
  encourage publishers, schools and training centers to work together
  within the community to encourage choice, flexibility and innovation
 
  Think of it as Open Source Training, where the training methods are
  developed as with OSS, by sharing and cooperating, and contributing
  back to the central core of training materials. LPI does not 'own'
 the
  course materials, you are free to shared it, adapt it and jointly
  developed it.
 
  Hence as 'trainers' you are not only the teacher, but you are also
 the
  'creator' and innovator of the teaching methods. They are also
  evangelists and advocates to promote the use of Linux.
 
  If you look at it this way, then you will understand the needs as
 stated:
 
  After the selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each
  others and train by them self and share with others how to become the
  trainers. The topic will be discuss are:...
 
  However, standards will have to be maintained, and I think LPI will
  have standards for syllabus and certification requirements. And LPI
 is
  recognised by vendors like IBM, Fujitsu... (I don't see any gov?)
 Will
  Malaysia gov. recognise LPI?
 
  I think this concept is very interesting and radical but to succeed,
  the trainers have to have a very Open Source mindset, ie: they have
  to want to explore, learn, solve problems and then share what they
  have learnt. Our standard type of  Malaysian teachers will not work,
  those who give you lots of homework and tips on how to pass exams!
 
  The first way will create skillful and capable students.
 
  The std. Malaysian way will produce students who score highly in
 exam,
  but have little skills and won't know how to solve problems.
 
  I hope we don't go down the 1st path... but a lot depends on the
 trainees!
  I hope the selection is done with care...
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
  linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
  Its will not limited to 10 persons. After this 

Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-30 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel
Thats website is not informative enough. Membazir aje bayar Google
Adwords. Who to contact what to do next tak de.

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 Thats website is not informative enough. Membazir aje bayar Google
 Adwords. Who to contact what to do next tak de.


whois domain tu la..kalau orang tau :p


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2011-03-29 Terurut Topik hadri hilmi
wlapun x de cert + noob ble apply jgk ke? ak mcm berminat.

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 Dah apply. Harap berjaya :-). Macam best je dapat jadi trainer ni.


 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Din Mujahideen 
 kaibatheleg...@gmail.comwrote:

 eden pun samo macam encik soire meira jugak.


 2011/3/28 Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com

 tringin jgk.. tp xreti apa2.. sy mntak jd last choice la.. klu xde org br
 bg sy pluang tu ye,, klu ada xpe.. berikan diorg keutamaan.. hehehe..


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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-29 Terurut Topik tajul
Pendapat saya, anda boleh memohon. Nanti dia akan buat senarai pendek untuk 
pemilihan 10 orang tu.
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wlapun x de cert + noob ble apply jgk ke? ak mcm berminat.

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 Dah apply. Harap berjaya :-). Macam best je dapat jadi trainer ni.


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 kaibatheleg...@gmail.comwrote:

 eden pun samo macam encik soire meira jugak.


 2011/3/28 Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com

 tringin jgk.. tp xreti apa2.. sy mntak jd last choice la.. klu xde org br
 bg sy pluang tu ye,, klu ada xpe.. berikan diorg keutamaan.. hehehe..


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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-28 Terurut Topik Garfield WTF
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2011-03-28 Terurut Topik Ahmad Arafat Abdullah
aku boleh apply ka? ehehehe





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2011-03-28 Terurut Topik Mohd Fazli Azran
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2011-03-28 Terurut Topik Soire Meira
tringin jgk.. tp xreti apa2.. sy mntak jd last choice la.. klu xde org br bg
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2011-03-28 Terurut Topik Din Mujahideen
eden pun samo macam encik soire meira jugak.

2011/3/28 Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-27 Terurut Topik Mohd Hidzuan
Salam

Kenapa ada ruang DETAILS? untuk apa tu? siap tulih Why? saya tidak faham
tuan.



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 Dear all,

 Top10 LPI Trainers is the Program for to train OSDCMY member to be LPI
 Trainer for the LPI Training. All the successful application will put at LPI
 database Trainers and will be official LPI Trainers for OSDCMY. The Goal
 Top10 LPI Trainers are the 1st phase project LPI program to make LPI
 certified trainers. This project are collaboration with LPI and OSDCMY to
 make LPI certified Trainers for Malaysia OSS Community How? After the
 selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each others and train by
 them self and share with others how to become the trainers. The topic will
 be discuss are: 1) How to be good trainers 2) How to be good PR 3) LPI
 syllabus 4) Skill teaching 5) Motivation 6) Share experience All the modules
  syllabus will provide by OSDCMY and all the Top10 Trainers need to be
 learn and share each others the resources. LPI will give special discount
 for the exam, what you need to do is just train you self and ready to be a
 trainers. All the application will sent to LPI and they will decide the
 approval. OSDCMY will co-ordinate the Trainers to be located to any Training
 Center, IPTA/IPTS and Government Training. The furthers discussion will be
 discuss on next meetup between OSDCMY  Top10 LPI Trainers. Please spread
 this information for who interest to be part of this special project by
 OSDCMY. Thanks Good Luck!
 Please register at here 
 REGISTRATIONhttps://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?pli=1hl=enhl=enformkey=dDJxa0txWUg0OUhyODhQMjN0ZWdnb3c6MQ
  Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-27 Terurut Topik Mohd Fazli Azran
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Mohd Hidzuan hidz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Salam

 Kenapa ada ruang DETAILS? untuk apa tu? siap tulih Why? saya tidak faham
 tuan.


Details why your interest to join and be a trainers. Ini adalah key point
untuk dan juga antara point yang digunakan untuk meyakinkan LPI yang anda
layak menjadi Trainers. :P




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 102D A12B F078 CF46 39A6 B276 7A01 9650 7FEA A5B1



 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran 
 mfazliaz...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 Top10 LPI Trainers is the Program for to train OSDCMY member to be LPI
 Trainer for the LPI Training. All the successful application will put at LPI
 database Trainers and will be official LPI Trainers for OSDCMY. The Goal
 Top10 LPI Trainers are the 1st phase project LPI program to make LPI
 certified trainers. This project are collaboration with LPI and OSDCMY to
 make LPI certified Trainers for Malaysia OSS Community How? After the
 selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each others and train by
 them self and share with others how to become the trainers. The topic will
 be discuss are: 1) How to be good trainers 2) How to be good PR 3) LPI
 syllabus 4) Skill teaching 5) Motivation 6) Share experience All the modules
  syllabus will provide by OSDCMY and all the Top10 Trainers need to be
 learn and share each others the resources. LPI will give special discount
 for the exam, what you need to do is just train you self and ready to be a
 trainers. All the application will sent to LPI and they will decide the
 approval. OSDCMY will co-ordinate the Trainers to be located to any Training
 Center, IPTA/IPTS and Government Training. The furthers discussion will be
 discuss on next meetup between OSDCMY  Top10 LPI Trainers. Please spread
 this information for who interest to be part of this special project by
 OSDCMY. Thanks Good Luck!
 Please register at here 
 REGISTRATIONhttps://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?pli=1hl=enhl=enformkey=dDJxa0txWUg0OUhyODhQMjN0ZWdnb3c6MQ
  Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY

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Re: [osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-27 Terurut Topik darXness darXness
just try my luck.hehehhe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Mohd Fazli Azran mfazliaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Mohd Hidzuan hidz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Salam

 Kenapa ada ruang DETAILS? untuk apa tu? siap tulih Why? saya tidak faham
 tuan.


 Details why your interest to join and be a trainers. Ini adalah key point
 untuk dan juga antara point yang digunakan untuk meyakinkan LPI yang anda
 layak menjadi Trainers. :P




 -
 102D A12B F078 CF46 39A6 B276 7A01 9650 7FEA A5B1


 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran mfazliaz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all,
 Top10 LPI Trainers is the Program for to train OSDCMY member to be LPI
 Trainer for the LPI Training. All the successful application will put at LPI
 database Trainers and will be official LPI Trainers for OSDCMY. The Goal
 Top10 LPI Trainers are the 1st phase project LPI program to make LPI
 certified trainers. This project are collaboration with LPI and OSDCMY to
 make LPI certified Trainers for Malaysia OSS Community How? After the
 selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each others and train by
 them self and share with others how to become the trainers. The topic will
 be discuss are: 1) How to be good trainers 2) How to be good PR 3) LPI
 syllabus 4) Skill teaching 5) Motivation 6) Share experience All the modules
  syllabus will provide by OSDCMY and all the Top10 Trainers need to be
 learn and share each others the resources. LPI will give special discount
 for the exam, what you need to do is just train you self and ready to be a
 trainers. All the application will sent to LPI and they will decide the
 approval. OSDCMY will co-ordinate the Trainers to be located to any Training
 Center, IPTA/IPTS and Government Training. The furthers discussion will be
 discuss on next meetup between OSDCMY  Top10 LPI Trainers. Please spread
 this information for who interest to be part of this special project by
 OSDCMY. Thanks Good Luck!
 Please register at here REGISTRATION
 Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY

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[osdcmy] Top10 LPI Trainers Project

2011-03-26 Terurut Topik Mohd Fazli Azran
Dear all,

Top10 LPI Trainers is the Program for to train OSDCMY member to be LPI
Trainer for the LPI Training. All the successful application will put at LPI
database Trainers and will be official LPI Trainers for OSDCMY. The Goal
Top10 LPI Trainers are the 1st phase project LPI program to make LPI
certified trainers. This project are collaboration with LPI and OSDCMY to
make LPI certified Trainers for Malaysia OSS Community How? After the
selection Top10 trainers the candidate will meetup each others and train by
them self and share with others how to become the trainers. The topic will
be discuss are: 1) How to be good trainers 2) How to be good PR 3) LPI
syllabus 4) Skill teaching 5) Motivation 6) Share experience All the modules
 syllabus will provide by OSDCMY and all the Top10 Trainers need to be
learn and share each others the resources. LPI will give special discount
for the exam, what you need to do is just train you self and ready to be a
trainers. All the application will sent to LPI and they will decide the
approval. OSDCMY will co-ordinate the Trainers to be located to any Training
Center, IPTA/IPTS and Government Training. The furthers discussion will be
discuss on next meetup between OSDCMY  Top10 LPI Trainers. Please spread
this information for who interest to be part of this special project by
OSDCMY. Thanks Good Luck!
Please register at here
REGISTRATIONhttps://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?pli=1hl=enhl=enformkey=dDJxa0txWUg0OUhyODhQMjN0ZWdnb3c6MQ
Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY

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