Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[rafe azsnal]

dude, doesn't mean that i apologize i surrender. doesn't mean that i
lost the battle or the war ! is something enjoyable personally to me
see that people still have the guts to actually stand up and say their
mind. and to note that my apology wasn't directly to you but to
everyone in the list.

satisfactions in the job that im doing doesn't related back to my
personal view of thing here. i doing the job due to my responsibility
that was given to me - as simple as that -

true enough red1 to most of my answer to your question was never been
answer from you directly as if the question just another provocation
of someone who have some much time in not doing anything.. :) in
regards of stealing your bike come on dude i would rather take your
exora which will give me more return and the hantukan kepala kat
dinding tu was actually attentional, which i don't felt remorse at
all..   :)





On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:48 AM, red1  wrote:
> Inilah problem kerja dari rumah. Tiada bazir masa jalanraya pegi dan balik
> ofis hari-hari. Masa lapang macam ni nak buat ape (selain develop software
> untuk foreign client dan mengharapkan USD tak jatuh teruk kerana dibayar
> menerusi PayPal USD). Bini sini pun boring sama hamba.
>
> (Not Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device because i do not have one or
> need to be that busy and bossy)
>
>
> On 3/3/11 7:42 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin wrote:
>>
>> Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi..
>> However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!!
>> Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: red1
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:22:04
>> To:
>> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
>>
>> Dear Rafe,
>> Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do
>> anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our
>> national languge so that there is no misunderstanding.
>>
>> Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan
>> nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat
>> saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah.
>> Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas
>> sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya
>> saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika
>> dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan.
>>
>> Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's
>> wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana
>> ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di
>> pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing
>> ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi
>> bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama
>> demokrasi ini?
>>
>> Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali
>> kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita
>> samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri
>> menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan
>> Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan
>> beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya
>> belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan
>> memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau
>> apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut
>> suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika
>> tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat
>> diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa
>> jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga
>> keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut
>> Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab.
>>
>> Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk
>> bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat
>> dan berjaya.<-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah!
>>
>> So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will
>> strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment.
>>
>> To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his
>> feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja
>> makan kat kedai Aturcara Rah

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[red1]

Inilah problem kerja dari rumah. Tiada bazir masa jalanraya pegi dan 
balik ofis hari-hari. Masa lapang macam ni nak buat ape (selain develop 
software untuk foreign client dan mengharapkan USD tak jatuh teruk 
kerana dibayar menerusi PayPal USD). Bini sini pun boring sama hamba.


(Not Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device because i do not have one or need 
to be that busy and bossy)


On 3/3/11 7:42 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin wrote:

Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi..
However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!!
Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: red1
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:22:04
To:
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

Dear Rafe,
Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do
anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our
national languge so that there is no misunderstanding.

Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan
nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat
saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah.
Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas
sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya
saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika
dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan.

Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's
wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana
ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di
pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing
ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi
bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama
demokrasi ini?

Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali
kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita
samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri
menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan
Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan
beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya
belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan
memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau
apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut
suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika
tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat
diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa
jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga
keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut
Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab.

Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk
bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat
dan berjaya.<-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah!

So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will
strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment.

To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his
feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja
makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt).

On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote:
   

first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.

Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)

azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...

red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some 

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi..
However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!!
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: red1 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:22:04 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

Dear Rafe,
Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do 
anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our 
national languge so that there is no misunderstanding.

Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan 
nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat 
saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah. 
Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas 
sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya 
saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika 
dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan.

Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's 
wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana 
ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di 
pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing 
ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi 
bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama 
demokrasi ini?

Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali 
kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita 
samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri 
menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan 
Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan 
beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya 
belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan 
memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau 
apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut 
suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika 
tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat 
diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa 
jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga 
keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut 
Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab.

Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk 
bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat 
dan berjaya. <-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah!

So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will 
strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment.

To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his 
feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja 
makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt).

On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote:
> first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
> for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
> sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
> some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
> movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.
>
> Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
> portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
> said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
> hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
> stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)
>
> azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
> husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
> world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
> and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
> believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
> but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
> country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
> disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...
>
> red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
> that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
> being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
> reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
> personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
> hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
> these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
> here forever the younger generation should take the lead by no

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[red1]

Dear Rafe,
Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do 
anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our 
national languge so that there is no misunderstanding.


Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan 
nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat 
saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah. 
Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas 
sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya 
saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika 
dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan.


Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's 
wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana 
ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di 
pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing 
ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi 
bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama 
demokrasi ini?


Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali 
kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita 
samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri 
menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan 
Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan 
beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya 
belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan 
memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau 
apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut 
suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika 
tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat 
diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa 
jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga 
keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut 
Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab.


Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk 
bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat 
dan berjaya. <-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah!


So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will 
strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment.


To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his 
feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja 
makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt).


On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote:

first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.

Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)

azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...

red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
your ass... hahahaha..

all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
nailed down due to the policies and

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Rilek. Orang baru ke orang lama semua diambil peduli...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> owh.. mcmtu ceritanya.. ha3.. sorry.. xtau sbb org baru.. cuma xfhm sbb
> trasa mcm tidak dipedulikn la plak..

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[Soire Meira]

owh.. mcmtu ceritanya.. ha3.. sorry.. xtau sbb org baru.. cuma xfhm sbb
trasa mcm tidak dipedulikn la plak..

(Linux User start 2009)...

2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> Sorry all,
>
> Sorry for not holding to my sabar. Tapi duduk dalam kasut saya. Since
> 1999 saya dan rakan-rakan yang lain telah gunakan OSS dan promote OSS.
> Macam mana pengalaman kami dalam bank trying untuk yakinkan pengurusan
> bank gunakan Linux untuk bank end server (DNS and file sharing) since
> 1999 and later http web server.
>
> We always prove our point by making its happen and show the fact by
> doing it. Not just talking about it.
>
> During OSCC MAMPU teach me to respect what the pegawai-pegawai have
> done to make the OSS policy in government. Its a lot. Sampai kami yang
> kami daripada swasta ini tak terlawan.
>
> Mula saya anggap ia birokrasi tapi its the way check and balance work
> between agencies. You need to be in their then we can understand.
>
> Im tired of flame war or blaming any parties for our failure. dan
> sebenar its not a failure. Its the nature of OSS community itself. Its
> will take time to growth and must be nature properly.
>
> Its take more than 10 years for community like Linux kernel and Apache
> web server to mature. Even Ubuntu community the founder and funder is
> burning money to do it. But we are not at that pleasure of doing it so
> like I wrote before this.
>
> Semua adalah kepada kita. Kita yang menentukan jalan kita. Kita
> sebagai komuniti perlu usaha sendiri dan lakukan.
>
> Siapa lagi?
>
> Sekian, terima kasih.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> > While nobody knows who are you really on the internet, but the internet
> > remembers what you say.
> > and please we have too much flamewar already
> > 2011/3/2 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin 
> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin]

Yup betul ape 2, this is all a learning process...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM, saifuladli ismail <
ismail.saifula...@gmail.com> wrote:

> mana ada merepek, at least we learn something from the argument.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I the youngest one in the community *I think* and I I do admire
>> all of big guys in community.
>>
>> I learned from Red1 that "the information are free, and the people are
>> not", has been driven my passion to contribute more to opensource project,
>> although only just translation.
>>
>> I learned from Rafe that "passion is a must", and because of that I'm
>> still in opensource business although it's hard to accept the reality of
>> life.
>>
>> I learned from Haris that "always give back to the community", and that's
>> why I'm really passionate to contribute in community project, although I
>> don't have that skills, or money, or time.
>>
>> saya tak kisah kalau kita ni bertelagah pandangan ke, nak suarakan
>> pendapat ke, but in the end we still eat and talk in same table like use to
>> be. that's what I do really admire about you guys.
>>
>> to conclude, let's stay unite and make something big. I always think about
>> that :)
>>
>> sorry kalau email ni merepek sangat :p
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin <
>> kernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Biasalaa bro, atleast bro dah mintak maaf dan dh luahkan apa yg terbuku
>>> di hati.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>>
 first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
 for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
 sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
 some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
 movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.

 Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
 portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
 said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
 hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
 stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)

 azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
 husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
 world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
 and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
 believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
 but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
 country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
 disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...

 red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
 that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
 being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
 reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
 personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
 hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
 these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
 here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
 making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
 your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
 have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
 your ass... hahahaha..

 all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
 see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
 believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
 as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
 nailed down due to the policies and structure. i didn't mean to create
 a differences between you between friends all of you are fighting the
 same battle and war that yet to be determine whether have you won or
 loose...

 all am asking don't make us as target you don't want to make us as
 your enemies and not to be proud we do have the advantages of pressing
 all of these down. i would rather be a friend and have a teh tarik
 with all of you rather than fighting you... unless you can proof
 beyond doubt the  im willing to you to the extra miles to stand beside
 you and try to make thing right. but an individual or silos agenda
 will only ruins what you have build so far. run this community as a
 well as an organization and insyaAllah you will gain the recognition
 that you longing for unless somehow someway thing work for the better
 we need to work together to archive that one single common objective.

>

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[saifuladli ismail]

mana ada merepek, at least we learn something from the argument.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I the youngest one in the community *I think* and I I do admire all
> of big guys in community.
>
> I learned from Red1 that "the information are free, and the people are
> not", has been driven my passion to contribute more to opensource project,
> although only just translation.
>
> I learned from Rafe that "passion is a must", and because of that I'm still
> in opensource business although it's hard to accept the reality of life.
>
> I learned from Haris that "always give back to the community", and that's
> why I'm really passionate to contribute in community project, although I
> don't have that skills, or money, or time.
>
> saya tak kisah kalau kita ni bertelagah pandangan ke, nak suarakan pendapat
> ke, but in the end we still eat and talk in same table like use to be.
> that's what I do really admire about you guys.
>
> to conclude, let's stay unite and make something big. I always think about
> that :)
>
> sorry kalau email ni merepek sangat :p
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin <
> kernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Biasalaa bro, atleast bro dah mintak maaf dan dh luahkan apa yg terbuku di
>> hati.
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>
>>> first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
>>> for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
>>> sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
>>> some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
>>> movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.
>>>
>>> Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
>>> portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
>>> said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
>>> hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
>>> stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)
>>>
>>> azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
>>> husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
>>> world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
>>> and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
>>> believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
>>> but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
>>> country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
>>> disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...
>>>
>>> red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
>>> that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
>>> being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
>>> reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
>>> personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
>>> hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
>>> these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
>>> here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
>>> making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
>>> your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
>>> have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
>>> your ass... hahahaha..
>>>
>>> all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
>>> see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
>>> believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
>>> as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
>>> nailed down due to the policies and structure. i didn't mean to create
>>> a differences between you between friends all of you are fighting the
>>> same battle and war that yet to be determine whether have you won or
>>> loose...
>>>
>>> all am asking don't make us as target you don't want to make us as
>>> your enemies and not to be proud we do have the advantages of pressing
>>> all of these down. i would rather be a friend and have a teh tarik
>>> with all of you rather than fighting you... unless you can proof
>>> beyond doubt the  im willing to you to the extra miles to stand beside
>>> you and try to make thing right. but an individual or silos agenda
>>> will only ruins what you have build so far. run this community as a
>>> well as an organization and insyaAllah you will gain the recognition
>>> that you longing for unless somehow someway thing work for the better
>>> we need to work together to archive that one single common objective.
>>>
>>> //rafe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Aziz,
>>> >
>>> > remember the old days that we went into pendalaman teaching teachers
>>> > how to use Linux. Turun kapal terbang dan naik kapal te

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

I think I the youngest one in the community *I think* and I I do admire all
of big guys in community.

I learned from Red1 that "the information are free, and the people are not",
has been driven my passion to contribute more to opensource project,
although only just translation.

I learned from Rafe that "passion is a must", and because of that I'm still
in opensource business although it's hard to accept the reality of life.

I learned from Haris that "always give back to the community", and that's
why I'm really passionate to contribute in community project, although I
don't have that skills, or money, or time.

saya tak kisah kalau kita ni bertelagah pandangan ke, nak suarakan pendapat
ke, but in the end we still eat and talk in same table like use to be.
that's what I do really admire about you guys.

to conclude, let's stay unite and make something big. I always think about
that :)

sorry kalau email ni merepek sangat :p

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin <
kernel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Biasalaa bro, atleast bro dah mintak maaf dan dh luahkan apa yg terbuku di
> hati.
>
> :)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>
>> first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
>> for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
>> sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
>> some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
>> movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.
>>
>> Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
>> portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
>> said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
>> hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
>> stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)
>>
>> azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
>> husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
>> world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
>> and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
>> believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
>> but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
>> country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
>> disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...
>>
>> red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
>> that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
>> being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
>> reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
>> personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
>> hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
>> these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
>> here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
>> making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
>> your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
>> have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
>> your ass... hahahaha..
>>
>> all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
>> see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
>> believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
>> as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
>> nailed down due to the policies and structure. i didn't mean to create
>> a differences between you between friends all of you are fighting the
>> same battle and war that yet to be determine whether have you won or
>> loose...
>>
>> all am asking don't make us as target you don't want to make us as
>> your enemies and not to be proud we do have the advantages of pressing
>> all of these down. i would rather be a friend and have a teh tarik
>> with all of you rather than fighting you... unless you can proof
>> beyond doubt the  im willing to you to the extra miles to stand beside
>> you and try to make thing right. but an individual or silos agenda
>> will only ruins what you have build so far. run this community as a
>> well as an organization and insyaAllah you will gain the recognition
>> that you longing for unless somehow someway thing work for the better
>> we need to work together to archive that one single common objective.
>>
>> //rafe
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>>  wrote:
>> > Aziz,
>> >
>> > remember the old days that we went into pendalaman teaching teachers
>> > how to use Linux. Turun kapal terbang dan naik kapal terbang, tidur
>> > hotel budget dengan pijat. Untuk cari makan and OSS.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
>> >  wrote:
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>> >
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe from and detai

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin]

Biasalaa bro, atleast bro dah mintak maaf dan dh luahkan apa yg terbuku di
hati.

:)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

> first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
> for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
> sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
> some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
> movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.
>
> Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
> portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
> said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
> hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
> stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)
>
> azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
> husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
> world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
> and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
> believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
> but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
> country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
> disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...
>
> red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
> that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
> being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
> reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
> personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
> hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
> these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
> here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
> making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
> your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
> have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
> your ass... hahahaha..
>
> all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
> see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
> believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
> as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
> nailed down due to the policies and structure. i didn't mean to create
> a differences between you between friends all of you are fighting the
> same battle and war that yet to be determine whether have you won or
> loose...
>
> all am asking don't make us as target you don't want to make us as
> your enemies and not to be proud we do have the advantages of pressing
> all of these down. i would rather be a friend and have a teh tarik
> with all of you rather than fighting you... unless you can proof
> beyond doubt the  im willing to you to the extra miles to stand beside
> you and try to make thing right. but an individual or silos agenda
> will only ruins what you have build so far. run this community as a
> well as an organization and insyaAllah you will gain the recognition
> that you longing for unless somehow someway thing work for the better
> we need to work together to archive that one single common objective.
>
> //rafe
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
> > Aziz,
> >
> > remember the old days that we went into pendalaman teaching teachers
> > how to use Linux. Turun kapal terbang dan naik kapal terbang, tidur
> > hotel budget dengan pijat. Untuk cari makan and OSS.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
> >  wrote:
> >> :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
> >
> > --
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Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[rafe azsnal]

first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.

Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)

azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...

red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
your dream in bringing back what you love most to the country that
have love you the less. :) dont worried as long as im here i will kick
your ass... hahahaha..

all of you are my friend, i have come to know you and respect you and
see what you have been fighting for all these while and come to
believe what you believed in... but my hand is not always free to help
as there are time where both of my hand and leg is being tight and
nailed down due to the policies and structure. i didn't mean to create
a differences between you between friends all of you are fighting the
same battle and war that yet to be determine whether have you won or
loose...

all am asking don't make us as target you don't want to make us as
your enemies and not to be proud we do have the advantages of pressing
all of these down. i would rather be a friend and have a teh tarik
with all of you rather than fighting you... unless you can proof
beyond doubt the  im willing to you to the extra miles to stand beside
you and try to make thing right. but an individual or silos agenda
will only ruins what you have build so far. run this community as a
well as an organization and insyaAllah you will gain the recognition
that you longing for unless somehow someway thing work for the better
we need to work together to archive that one single common objective.

//rafe


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> Aziz,
>
> remember the old days that we went into pendalaman teaching teachers
> how to use Linux. Turun kapal terbang dan naik kapal terbang, tidur
> hotel budget dengan pijat. Untuk cari makan and OSS.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
>  wrote:
>> :)
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>
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[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Aziz,

remember the old days that we went into pendalaman teaching teachers
how to use Linux. Turun kapal terbang dan naik kapal terbang, tidur
hotel budget dengan pijat. Untuk cari makan and OSS.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
 wrote:
> :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel

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[Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin]

:)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry all,
>
> Sorry for not holding to my sabar. Tapi duduk dalam kasut saya. Since
> 1999 saya dan rakan-rakan yang lain telah gunakan OSS dan promote OSS.
> Macam mana pengalaman kami dalam bank trying untuk yakinkan pengurusan
> bank gunakan Linux untuk bank end server (DNS and file sharing) since
> 1999 and later http web server.
>
> We always prove our point by making its happen and show the fact by
> doing it. Not just talking about it.
>
> During OSCC MAMPU teach me to respect what the pegawai-pegawai have
> done to make the OSS policy in government. Its a lot. Sampai kami yang
> kami daripada swasta ini tak terlawan.
>
> Mula saya anggap ia birokrasi tapi its the way check and balance work
> between agencies. You need to be in their then we can understand.
>
> Im tired of flame war or blaming any parties for our failure. dan
> sebenar its not a failure. Its the nature of OSS community itself. Its
> will take time to growth and must be nature properly.
>
> Its take more than 10 years for community like Linux kernel and Apache
> web server to mature. Even Ubuntu community the founder and funder is
> burning money to do it. But we are not at that pleasure of doing it so
> like I wrote before this.
>
> Semua adalah kepada kita. Kita yang menentukan jalan kita. Kita
> sebagai komuniti perlu usaha sendiri dan lakukan.
>
> Siapa lagi?
>
> Sekian, terima kasih.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> > While nobody knows who are you really on the internet, but the internet
> > remembers what you say.
> > and please we have too much flamewar already
> > 2011/3/2 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin 
> >>
>
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[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Sorry all,

Sorry for not holding to my sabar. Tapi duduk dalam kasut saya. Since
1999 saya dan rakan-rakan yang lain telah gunakan OSS dan promote OSS.
Macam mana pengalaman kami dalam bank trying untuk yakinkan pengurusan
bank gunakan Linux untuk bank end server (DNS and file sharing) since
1999 and later http web server.

We always prove our point by making its happen and show the fact by
doing it. Not just talking about it.

During OSCC MAMPU teach me to respect what the pegawai-pegawai have
done to make the OSS policy in government. Its a lot. Sampai kami yang
kami daripada swasta ini tak terlawan.

Mula saya anggap ia birokrasi tapi its the way check and balance work
between agencies. You need to be in their then we can understand.

Im tired of flame war or blaming any parties for our failure. dan
sebenar its not a failure. Its the nature of OSS community itself. Its
will take time to growth and must be nature properly.

Its take more than 10 years for community like Linux kernel and Apache
web server to mature. Even Ubuntu community the founder and funder is
burning money to do it. But we are not at that pleasure of doing it so
like I wrote before this.

Semua adalah kepada kita. Kita yang menentukan jalan kita. Kita
sebagai komuniti perlu usaha sendiri dan lakukan.

Siapa lagi?

Sekian, terima kasih.



On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> While nobody knows who are you really on the internet, but the internet
> remembers what you say.
> and please we have too much flamewar already
> 2011/3/2 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin 
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[sweemeng ng]

While nobody knows who are you really on the internet, but the internet
remembers what you say.

and please we have too much flamewar already

2011/3/2 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin 

> Salam semua,
>
> Jgn ler gaduh2 aku rase better kite tgk diri sendiri dulu sebelum menunding
> jari ke org lain atau asyik
> carik salah org lain, h...and please lerr dont use the F word or
> insulting anyone...
> sori bro semua erk bukan nak ckp pandai tp peringatan utk diri sy sama...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>
> Yep. Im NOT pandai dalam hal-hal lobbying to government or mau kipas
>> saper2 or mahu kick the butt of any agencies.
>>
>> Konsep saya mudah. Jika tiada, biar tiada. Yang diberikan kita terima.
>>
>> You keep on making people in this list angry at you thats include me
>> now...
>>
>> and don't insult me about banking. I had work in the bank daripada
>> kerani sampai pegawai selama 13 tahun.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, red1  wrote:
>> > Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa
>> numbers?
>> > Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
>> > Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya
>> > hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia,
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>> > masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.
>> >
>> > Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.
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[Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin]

Salam semua,

Jgn ler gaduh2 aku rase better kite tgk diri sendiri dulu sebelum menunding
jari ke org lain atau asyik
carik salah org lain, h...and please lerr dont use the F word or
insulting anyone...
sori bro semua erk bukan nak ckp pandai tp peringatan utk diri sy sama...






2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> Yep. Im NOT pandai dalam hal-hal lobbying to government or mau kipas
> saper2 or mahu kick the butt of any agencies.
>
> Konsep saya mudah. Jika tiada, biar tiada. Yang diberikan kita terima.
>
> You keep on making people in this list angry at you thats include me now...
>
> and don't insult me about banking. I had work in the bank daripada
> kerani sampai pegawai selama 13 tahun.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, red1  wrote:
> > Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa
> numbers?
> > Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
> > Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya
> > hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia,
> tetapi
> > masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.
> >
> > Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.
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[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Yep. Im NOT pandai dalam hal-hal lobbying to government or mau kipas
saper2 or mahu kick the butt of any agencies.

Konsep saya mudah. Jika tiada, biar tiada. Yang diberikan kita terima.

You keep on making people in this list angry at you thats include me now...

and don't insult me about banking. I had work in the bank daripada
kerani sampai pegawai selama 13 tahun.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, red1  wrote:
> Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa numbers?
> Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
> Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya
> hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia, tetapi
> masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.
>
> Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.

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[Soire Meira]

Stuju sgt dgn pendapat red1... smpai bila nk mcmni.. agung2kn org luar..
bak kata pepatah low class ini " Hujan Emas dinegeri org, hujan batu
dinegeri sendiri"
dr zaman hitam putih lg kita dh ditanam dgn sifat low class pada produk
tempatan.. sedangkn org luar bangga dpt memiliki produk2 kita.. bla.. bla
bla.. ni lg bnyk ngarut ni kang.. ha3..

2011/3/2 rafe azsnal 

> Till that day happened red1 I wish you all the best and success.
>
> Just want to clear what you wrote here
> "gov agencies don't play any roles in development of d industry but
> investors do" correct? If you can understand as much as that why can't you
> understand the way we work? We are not investors MDeC is not an investors. I
> hope you understand what you yourself wrote here don't want to be the guy
> who point it out again.
>
> rafe
>
> On Mar 2, 2011 6:35 AM, "red1"  wrote:
>
>  There are enough geniuses in Malaysia. I travelled all over the world i
> find their geniuses and ours are more or less the same. The difference is
> that they were looked at as and respected as unique and self-starters. There
> if you failed once, they ask you to fail more than 5 times, the average
> before one becomes successful. Here if you fail, you have to leave or bluff
> in your borang to say 'tak pernah gagal', 'tak pernah hutang bank', ...
>
> I met some of you and i say if you are in Paris or California you could be
> the next Hotmail or Facebook. When they started they had the same passion,
> not 'cari makan' but 'cari perasaan dorongan'. Their govts get out of the
> way. Their investors take great risks because they believe in the risks.
>
> How many nobel prize we have? Zero. How many dotcom success? Zero. Why?
> Senang jawapannya. Takut gagal. Kiasu. Takut dikritik. Asyik bodek. Asyik
> Pau orang merata. No wonder the Pau Lady stands ironically the symbol of our
> culture.
>
> I dont have to insult you further with stories how Yahoo! or Google really
> started. Go google for it. You will find they dont care about the numbers
> cos they started with no numbers. Just passion. Just wana do it. Get it? No!
> You dont get it. You ada masalah sikap. Tak percaya orang sendiri. Percaya
> orang Jerman lebih. Bila saya bawa pengikut Jerman saya mari, baru nak
> iktiraf memang orang Malaysia boleh pimpin sebuah projek dotcom peringkat
> world class. Sampai bila sikap sedemikian?
>
> When i get the numbers one day, i may be like Facebook. Would i care about
> asking you for grants? No! I will buy out the whole property in CyberJaya
> and put up signposts "MDec is a disgust".
>
>
>
> On 3/1/11 9:15 PM, saifuladli ismail wrote:
> >
> > number nie nak tujukkan apa? statistik? tujuan nya...
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[rafe azsnal]

Till that day happened red1 I wish you all the best and success.

Just want to clear what you wrote here
"gov agencies don't play any roles in development of d industry but
investors do" correct? If you can understand as much as that why can't you
understand the way we work? We are not investors MDeC is not an investors. I
hope you understand what you yourself wrote here don't want to be the guy
who point it out again.

rafe

On Mar 2, 2011 6:35 AM, "red1"  wrote:

 There are enough geniuses in Malaysia. I travelled all over the world i
find their geniuses and ours are more or less the same. The difference is
that they were looked at as and respected as unique and self-starters. There
if you failed once, they ask you to fail more than 5 times, the average
before one becomes successful. Here if you fail, you have to leave or bluff
in your borang to say 'tak pernah gagal', 'tak pernah hutang bank', ...

I met some of you and i say if you are in Paris or California you could be
the next Hotmail or Facebook. When they started they had the same passion,
not 'cari makan' but 'cari perasaan dorongan'. Their govts get out of the
way. Their investors take great risks because they believe in the risks.

How many nobel prize we have? Zero. How many dotcom success? Zero. Why?
Senang jawapannya. Takut gagal. Kiasu. Takut dikritik. Asyik bodek. Asyik
Pau orang merata. No wonder the Pau Lady stands ironically the symbol of our
culture.

I dont have to insult you further with stories how Yahoo! or Google really
started. Go google for it. You will find they dont care about the numbers
cos they started with no numbers. Just passion. Just wana do it. Get it? No!
You dont get it. You ada masalah sikap. Tak percaya orang sendiri. Percaya
orang Jerman lebih. Bila saya bawa pengikut Jerman saya mari, baru nak
iktiraf memang orang Malaysia boleh pimpin sebuah projek dotcom peringkat
world class. Sampai bila sikap sedemikian?

When i get the numbers one day, i may be like Facebook. Would i care about
asking you for grants? No! I will buy out the whole property in CyberJaya
and put up signposts "MDec is a disgust".



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[red1]

There are enough geniuses in Malaysia. I travelled all over the world i
find their geniuses and ours are more or less the same. The difference
is that they were looked at as and respected as unique and
self-starters. There if you failed once, they ask you to fail more than
5 times, the average before one becomes successful. Here if you fail,
you have to leave or bluff in your borang to say 'tak pernah gagal',
'tak pernah hutang bank', ...

I met some of you and i say if you are in Paris or California you could
be the next Hotmail or Facebook. When they started they had the same
passion, not 'cari makan' but 'cari perasaan dorongan'. Their govts get
out of the way. Their investors take great risks because they believe
in the risks.

How many nobel prize we have? Zero. How many dotcom success? Zero. Why?
Senang jawapannya. Takut gagal. Kiasu. Takut dikritik. Asyik bodek.
Asyik Pau orang merata. No wonder the Pau Lady stands ironically the
symbol of our culture.

I dont have to insult you further with stories how Yahoo! or Google
really started. Go google for it. You will find they dont care about
the numbers cos they started with no numbers. Just passion. Just wana
do it. Get it? No! You dont get it. You ada masalah sikap. Tak percaya
orang sendiri. Percaya orang Jerman lebih. Bila saya bawa pengikut
Jerman saya mari, baru nak iktiraf memang orang Malaysia boleh pimpin
sebuah projek dotcom peringkat world class. Sampai bila sikap
sedemikian?

When i get the numbers one day, i may be like Facebook. Would i care
about asking you for grants? No! I will buy out the whole property in
CyberJaya and put up signposts "MDec is a disgust".

On 3/1/11 9:15 PM, saifuladli ismail wrote:
number nie nak tujukkan apa? statistik? tujuan nya apa?
  
  On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, rafe azsnal 
wrote:
  
Maybe you have none 
rafe 

  On Mar 1, 2011 7:43 PM, "red1" 
wrote:
  
Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa
numbers? Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank
selalunya hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan
rahsia, tetapi masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.
  
Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.
  
  
  
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> Damp 
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[saifuladli ismail]

number nie nak tujukkan apa? statistik? tujuan nya apa?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

> Maybe you have none
>
> rafe
>
> On Mar 1, 2011 7:43 PM, "red1"  wrote:
>
> Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa numbers?
> Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
> Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya
> hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia, tetapi
> masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.
>
> Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.
>
>
>
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> > Damp 
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[rafe azsnal]

Maybe you have none

rafe

On Mar 1, 2011 7:43 PM, "red1"  wrote:

Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa numbers?
Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya
hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia, tetapi
masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.

Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.



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Ini serupa pergi bank minta loan. Bila disuruh tunjuk numbers, apa 
numbers? Jika kita ada numbers, buat apa pergi bank???
Kerana tada wang lah kita pegi bank buat pinjaman. Tetapi bank selalunya 
hanya bantu mereka yang sudah tidak perlu bantuan. Ini bukan rahsia, 
tetapi masih rahsia bagi mereka yang masih naif dan innosen.


Please la Haris, give something thats worth my intelligence.

On 3/1/11 6:15 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

Damp 

I don't read email for 24 hours this things will happen.

We should already know, MDeC could not or will nor focus on OSS only.
Even with MAMPU or any Agency, this will not happen, MDeC or any
agencies can do things that can spark or make public aware about OSS.
BUT all must depend on us as community 

OSS is all about community, and for that we are the one that need to
do all the things. We need to lobby or we need to keep on doing the
promotion and OSS day or any others activities.

Its like chicken and egg. We approach government but they needs
numbers. Dont talk aje please. We the one need to produce the numbers.

How many OSS days that we have done?
How many people know and support OSS?
How many companies that really into OSS?
What the economy impact to public?

The numbers and figure that MDeC produce should be use by us for
lobbying. Kita ni dah back stab them by asking and questioning where
the figure come from, sedangkan kita boleh ambil kesempatan untuk
lobbying policy maker not MDeC 

MDeC only do what they are instruct to do. KPI KRA dan organisation
goals. They have a lot of things. Not only OSS.

We are the one should panjat tangga go to Bangunan Perdana Putra and
lobbying for our needs. But we will be ask back? what figure to be
used?

I believe we will refer back to MDeC figure and used it. .

My two cents and I need to log off again  More things need to be
plan for the coming MOSC2011.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, azs...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Wondering why people think that am attacking azrul or java? Weird... I
don't.

is just that I see every blame was directed to MDeC... alright lah blame the
organization I eagerly want to see what would the after effect be. See if
they actually care..

All the people have fun..

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[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Damp 

I don't read email for 24 hours this things will happen.

We should already know, MDeC could not or will nor focus on OSS only.
Even with MAMPU or any Agency, this will not happen, MDeC or any
agencies can do things that can spark or make public aware about OSS.
BUT all must depend on us as community 

OSS is all about community, and for that we are the one that need to
do all the things. We need to lobby or we need to keep on doing the
promotion and OSS day or any others activities.

Its like chicken and egg. We approach government but they needs
numbers. Dont talk aje please. We the one need to produce the numbers.

How many OSS days that we have done?
How many people know and support OSS?
How many companies that really into OSS?
What the economy impact to public?

The numbers and figure that MDeC produce should be use by us for
lobbying. Kita ni dah back stab them by asking and questioning where
the figure come from, sedangkan kita boleh ambil kesempatan untuk
lobbying policy maker not MDeC 

MDeC only do what they are instruct to do. KPI KRA dan organisation
goals. They have a lot of things. Not only OSS.

We are the one should panjat tangga go to Bangunan Perdana Putra and
lobbying for our needs. But we will be ask back? what figure to be
used?

I believe we will refer back to MDeC figure and used it. .

My two cents and I need to log off again  More things need to be
plan for the coming MOSC2011.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, azs...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Wondering why people think that am attacking azrul or java? Weird... I
> don't.
>
> is just that I see every blame was directed to MDeC... alright lah blame the
> organization I eagerly want to see what would the after effect be. See if
> they actually care..
>
> All the people have fun..
>
> Sent from my HTC

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[azs...@gmail.com]

Wondering why people think that am attacking azrul or java? Weird... I don't.

is just that I see every blame was directed to MDeC... alright lah blame the 
organization I eagerly want to see what would the after effect be. See if they 
actually care.. 

All the people have fun..

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From: "Azrul MADISA" 
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:55 am
Subject: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
To: 

Yeah, I also think that the F word is so uncalled for. My blog is a bit
provocative, sure, but I tried to be civil.
My main thesis that MDeC did practically nothing to promote Java despite
Java being the king maker is based on my investigation. Not happy? please
attack my thesis, not my being.

And as stated I'm not a failure, neither are the Java devs out there. (The
stats prove that). We're not blaming MDeC for this non existing  failure. We
want MDeC to promote Java for the benefit of the country as a whole. In
fact, personally I would probably benefit more if MDeC does not promote
Java, less Java devs means my skills will be more sought after and hence
more salary. But, I rather provoke MDeC to take action for the nation.

Again, not happy, write a blog, no cursing pls.

Azrul



On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:55 AM, azs...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Salam All,
>
> Yes is no fun being me hence all the F words.. but ontop of the F words I
> don't trow any names in my email nor trying to get sympathy. Nor to provoke
> certain individual. Never was my attention.
>
> Even with the small budget that we have we tried our best to make it what
> it is where one of the outcomes is all of us being here at one place where
> we bitch! And we share knowledge. How many awareness programme that the
> community has successfully put in place and how many new members has it
> attracted? And how many corporation and university has started to belived
> that OSS is an alternative to choose from. And the community has started in
> order to grow bigger and stronger. Ask yourself this.. what have you
> contributed so far? I don't see this as a failure I can't change what
> already in the past but what I can do is the present and the future.
>
> As bad as it seem to be Malaysia is the only country who supported OSS
> publicly and funded it community, community not companies where we have went
> to hell and back making the justification, and we put our neck on the line
> and our comfort zone to belived what you belived. And on top if that we put
> our 5 figure salary on the line too, we don't need to do this but we did it
> anyway because we belived! As simple as that.
>
> And you on the star in tech, in what way that we leverage on the piece? We
> don't carried it all over the places we don't even claims that the news was
> ours, the mileage for that news is only for you and you alone and only you
> benefits from it, how can you said that we used you where all the
> arrangements was made you. We were never involve in it at all.
>
> Again people we lives in a country where paper and borang is necessary, is
> it so bad just to fill a few form for us to see what you have planned and
> how are you going to make it happened? We don't lend you the money we giving
> away without interest regardless if it fail later on due to whatever. Name
> me one organization outside the country that are doing this?
>
> Am I so wrong that I pointed out the necessary? The rest and test is
> totally up to you, hope you learn from it and benefits from it too.
>
> Salam..
>
> Regards
> //Rafe
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "red1" 
> Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:38 am
>
> Subject: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
> To: 
>
> Not that i want to defend Azrul here, hmm, come to think of it, i am
> defending him here. Ok here goes Tahrir Square slogan 1.
>
> Azrul is not a failure. He is a grad from France. He worked at Sun. He
> is a Java expert. He knows its architecture. I seen him work. Ok, that
> part a bit misguided. If i can see and _understand_ how he worked that is.
>
> He is working for a private firm at the moment, not MDec, and thus is
> not answerable ethically to tax-payers money. He is paid 5 figures. He
> gets to have playstation at work. Ok that part is not jealousy. That 5
> figure is. His subject area is in BI. Ok just to throw some heavy words
> that only Raja Iskandar can understand.
>
> Now he told me once before, he offered MDec free, as in free lunch Java
> coaching sessions for generasi muda to stop the brain drain and he wants
> to do it based on Open Source so that they do not go work for gomen or
> someone ELSE. So they get a fighting chance.
>
> But after some years, he was not a

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[red1]

Azrul,
Quite selfish there, aint it? But do consider, if there are too few
Java devs out there, which is the case, it dampens the market and
substitute skills are sought in the egg and chick story. That is why
many go for PHp cos jobs abound for that. Why? Cos there are more PHp
people. :) (Will update my resume and try again bro. I need to sell my
freedom to the highest bidder)

On 3/1/11 9:55 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
Yeah, I also think that the F word is so uncalled for. My
blog is a bit provocative, sure, but I tried to be civil. 
  My main thesis that MDeC did practically nothing to promote Java
despite Java being the king maker is based on my investigation. Not
happy? please attack my thesis, not my being.
  
  
  And as stated I'm not a failure, neither are the Java devs out
there. (The stats prove that). We're not blaming MDeC for this non
existing  failure. We want MDeC to promote Java for the benefit of the
country as a whole. In fact, personally I would probably benefit more
if MDeC does not promote Java, less Java devs means my skills will be
more sought after and hence more salary. But, I rather provoke MDeC to
take action for the nation.
  
  
  Again, not happy, write a blog, no cursing pls.
  
  
  Azrul 
  
  
  
  
  On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:55 AM, azs...@gmail.com
  <azs...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Salam
All,

Yes is no fun being me hence all the F words.. but ontop of the F words
I don't trow any names in my email nor trying to get sympathy. Nor to
provoke certain individual. Never was my attention.

Even with the small budget that we have we tried our best to make it
what it is where one of the outcomes is all of us being here at one
place where we bitch! And we share knowledge. How many awareness
programme that the community has successfully put in place and how many
new members has it attracted? And how many corporation and university
has started to belived that OSS is an alternative to choose from. And
the community has started in order to grow bigger and stronger. Ask
yourself this.. what have you contributed so far? I don't see this as a
failure I can't change what already in the past but what I can do is
the present and the future.

As bad as it seem to be Malaysia is the only country who supported OSS
publicly and funded it community, community not companies where we have
went to hell and back making the justification, and we put our neck on
the line and our comfort zone to belived what you belived. And on top
if that we put our 5 figure salary on the line too, we don't need to do
this but we did it anyway because we belived! As simple as that.

And you on the star in tech, in what way that we leverage on the piece?
We don't carried it all over the places we don't even claims that the
news was ours, the mileage for that news is only for you and you alone
and only you benefits from it, how can you said that we used you where
all the arrangements was made you. We were never involve in it at all. 

Again people we lives in a country where paper and borang is necessary,
is it so bad just to fill a few form for us to see what you have
planned and how are you going to make it happened? We don't lend you
the money we giving away without interest regardless if it fail later
on due to whatever. Name me one organization outside the country that
are doing this? 

Am I so wrong that I pointed out the necessary? The rest and test is
totally up to you, hope you learn from it and benefits from it too.

Salam..

Regards
//Rafe

Sent from my HTC

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From: "red1" <r...@red1.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:38 am

Subject: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
To: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com>



Not that i want to defend Azrul here, hmm, come to
think of it, i am 
defending him here. Ok here goes Tahrir Square slogan 1.

Azrul is not a failure. He is a grad from France. He worked at Sun. He 
is a Java expert. He knows its architecture. I seen him work. Ok, that 
part a bit misguided. If i can see and _understand_ how he worked that
is.

He is working for a private firm at the moment, not MDec, and thus is 
not answerable ethically to tax-payers money. He is paid 5 figures. He 
gets to have playstation at work. Ok that part is not jealousy. That 5 
figure is. His subject area is in BI. Ok just to throw some heavy words

that only Raja Iskandar can understand.

Now he told me once before, he offered MDec free, as in free lunch Java

coaching sessions for generasi muda to stop the brain drain and he
wants 
to do it based on Open Source so that they do not go work for gomen or 
someone ELSE. So they get a fighting chance.

But after some years, he was not appreciated, and i found him holed up 
in CyberJaya MMU incubator slot doing freelance stuff, thats before he 
gets the playstation job.

Now i think,