Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Take care friend. Health is priceless. There will always be another
day to make money.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> that nearly happened to me.
>
> quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
> check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now on
> ace 1 medication.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul shahrin 
> wrote:
>>
>> I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
>> small). So sometimes you just need to move on.
>> I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company,
>> company won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone
>> has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.
>>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin]

:)

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:21 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> Good advice.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:46 AM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  I used to say: Work for yourself, not your company, and you be happier.
>> Everyone around you be more better off (including your company, if they only
>> know why).
>>
>>
>> On 3/17/11 10:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>
>> that nearly happened to me.
>>
>> quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
>> check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now on
>> ace 1 medication.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul shahrin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
>>> small). So sometimes you just need to move on.
>>>
>>>  I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company,
>>> company won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone
>>> has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[sweemeng ng]

Good advice.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:46 AM, red1  wrote:

>  I used to say: Work for yourself, not your company, and you be happier.
> Everyone around you be more better off (including your company, if they only
> know why).
>
>
> On 3/17/11 10:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
> that nearly happened to me.
>
> quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
> check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now on
> ace 1 medication.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
>> small). So sometimes you just need to move on.
>>
>>  I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company,
>> company won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone
>> has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.
>>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

I used to say: Work for yourself, not your company, and you be happier.
Everyone around you be more better off (including your company, if they
only know why).

On 3/17/11 10:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
that nearly happened to me.
  
quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now
on ace 1 medication.
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul
shahrin 
wrote:
  I
think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
small). So sometimes you just need to move on. 


I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the
company, company won't die for you". That was probably one of the best
advices anyone has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until
several companies later.






  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

On 3/17/11 9:52 PM, darXness darXness wrote:

cite menarik nie..kene join gak sesi teh tarik pasni.:D
   

 Free as in Free cerita, not in Free teh tarik  .. :D
Anyway i very much wanted to attend the gathering organised by our 
protem bapak Haris Fahil, but i be away (hurrahh!) :(. I will ask Eric 
to fill me in (with more teh tarik).


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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

that nearly happened to me.

quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now on
ace 1 medication.




On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
> small). So sometimes you just need to move on.
>
> I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company, company
> won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone has
> ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[zarul shahrin]

I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or small).
So sometimes you just need to move on.

I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company, company
won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone has
ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.



On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah Poh ar
>
> Aiyo you also know that si nyayok manyak kacau one. We had to "clean
> up" the report until 6 pagi. Giler.
>
> Not dragging your name and Raja's but that whole "cleaning up"
> exercise was stupid and unnecessary.
>
> My relationship with my wife became tegang because of that
> womankeja sampai awal pagi, balik mandi, tukar baju balik ke
> meeting. Kalau ngatok kena bambu like you never believe.
>
> Masa kat OSCC my MC can exceed 14 days, this never happened before in
> all my years of working! Pernah sekali dua gua henti bawah jamabatang
> tidur pasal letih sgt.
>
> At the end, all was not worth it. Not appreciated never mind, kena
> caci, dituduh bukan2, bini dah tensionno money is worth all
> that...I just walked away.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:28 PM, red1  wrote:
> > Hello Apek,
> > Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa
> mana
> > mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta,
> sta-tis-tik
> > wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada manyak tada
> > jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada cakap sama wa.
> Wa
> > ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama semua orang. Was
> sudah
> > dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana.
> >
> > On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:
> >>
> >> I am aware of your association in Phase One.
> >>
> >> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
> >> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
> >> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
> >> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.
> >>
> >> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
> >> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
> >> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
> >> they have a copy of it.
> >>
> >> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
> >> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
> >> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
> >> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.
> >>
> >> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
> >> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
> >> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
> >> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!
> >>
> >> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
> >> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
> >> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
> >> thousands of man hours to try to make it work.
> >>
> >> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
> >> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
> >> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
> >> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
> >> clueless politicians.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[darXness darXness]

cite menarik nie..kene join gak sesi teh tarik pasni.:D

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> and the oscc manager banged up his car because he felt asleep while driving
> up to the putrajaya toll.
>
> # cerita belakang tabir probably should not be in this mailing list
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>  wrote:
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

and the oscc manager banged up his car because he felt asleep while driving
up to the putrajaya toll.

# cerita belakang tabir probably should not be in this mailing list

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Being there done that. But can we set this aside. Lets discuss more
general issues. Yang ni just gossip kita waktu minum kopi :)

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
 wrote:
> Ah Poh ar
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Ah Poh ar

Aiyo you also know that si nyayok manyak kacau one. We had to "clean
up" the report until 6 pagi. Giler.

Not dragging your name and Raja's but that whole "cleaning up"
exercise was stupid and unnecessary.

My relationship with my wife became tegang because of that
womankeja sampai awal pagi, balik mandi, tukar baju balik ke
meeting. Kalau ngatok kena bambu like you never believe.

Masa kat OSCC my MC can exceed 14 days, this never happened before in
all my years of working! Pernah sekali dua gua henti bawah jamabatang
tidur pasal letih sgt.

At the end, all was not worth it. Not appreciated never mind, kena
caci, dituduh bukan2, bini dah tensionno money is worth all
that...I just walked away.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:28 PM, red1  wrote:
> Hello Apek,
> Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa mana
> mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta, sta-tis-tik
> wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada manyak tada
> jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada cakap sama wa. Wa
> ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama semua orang. Was sudah
> dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana.
>
> On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:
>>
>> I am aware of your association in Phase One.
>>
>> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
>> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
>> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
>> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.
>>
>> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
>> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
>> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
>> they have a copy of it.
>>
>> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
>> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
>> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
>> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.
>>
>> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
>> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
>> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
>> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!
>>
>> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
>> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
>> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
>> thousands of man hours to try to make it work.
>>
>> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
>> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
>> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
>> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
>> clueless politicians.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

One of the primary reason I still have resentment against MAMPU.

Eric

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
>> Alas like so many alumni of
>> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
>> clueless politicians.
>>
>
> Hah... been there, done that... :)
>
> And the slide will always be constantly changed nearly every day, and when
> in the meeting on second day, the word will be like  "Eh... why the slide
> change? Who make the change... put it back" . But it is actually that person
> instruction to remove the info at the first place.
>
> No work get done that day, because whole day was used to change the slide
> back to nearly identical to the the previous state
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>  wrote:
>>
>> I am aware of your association in Phase One.
>>
>> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
>> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
>> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
>> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.
>>
>> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
>> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
>> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
>> they have a copy of it.
>>
>> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
>> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
>> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
>> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.
>>
>> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
>> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
>> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
>> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!
>>
>> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
>> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
>> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
>> thousands of man hours to try to make it work.
>>
>> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
>> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
>> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
>> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
>> clueless politicians.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>>  wrote:
>> > Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat
>> > DRB
>> > IT.
>> >
>> > MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya
>> > yang
>> > cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.
>> >
>> > Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan
>> > MyNetwatch,
>> > sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
>> > menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
>> > menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
>> > MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?
>> >
>> > Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
>> > MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana
>> > nombor/statistik
>> > ni?
>> >
>> > Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?
>> >
>> > Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan
>> > pertandingan
>> > pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
>> > Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?
>> >
>> > Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?
>> >
>> > Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> >> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
>> >> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x
>> >> sebut
>> >> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> >> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> >> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> >> Keraja

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

>
> Alas like so many alumni of
> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
> clueless politicians.
>
>
Hah... been there, done that... :)

And the slide will always be constantly changed nearly every day, and when
in the meeting on second day, the word will be like  "Eh... why the slide
change? Who make the change... put it back" . But it is actually that person
instruction to remove the info at the first place.

No work get done that day, because whole day was used to change the slide
back to nearly identical to the the previous state


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am aware of your association in Phase One.
>
> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.
>
> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
> they have a copy of it.
>
> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.
>
> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!
>
> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
> thousands of man hours to try to make it work.
>
> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
> clueless politicians.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
> > Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat
> DRB
> > IT.
> >
> > MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya
> yang
> > cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.
> >
> > Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
> > sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
> > menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
> > menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
> > MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?
> >
> > Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
> > MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
> > ni?
> >
> > Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?
> >
> > Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
> > pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
> > Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?
> >
> > Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?
> >
> > Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> >> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
> >> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x
> sebut
> >> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> >> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> >> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> >> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
> >> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
> >> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> >> To: 
&

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

Hello Apek,
Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa 
mana mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta, 
sta-tis-tik wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada 
manyak tada jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada 
cakap sama wa. Wa ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama 
semua orang. Was sudah dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana.


On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

I am aware of your association in Phase One.

OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.

The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
they have a copy of it.

The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.

When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!

Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
thousands of man hours to try to make it work.

I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
clueless politicians.

Eric
   


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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

I am aware of your association in Phase One.

OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.

The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
they have a copy of it.

The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.

When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!

Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
thousands of man hours to try to make it work.

I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
clueless politicians.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
> IT.
>
> MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
> cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.
>
> Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
> sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
> menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
> menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
> MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?
>
> Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
> MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
> ni?
>
> Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?
>
> Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
> pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
> Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?
>
> Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?
>
> Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
>> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
>> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
>> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
>> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
>> to get promoted to Jusa.
>>
>> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
>> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
>> MyGOSSCON.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>>  wrote:
>> > This kind of situation is common.
>> >
>> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>> >
>> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>> >
>> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to
>> > spend
>> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>&g

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

Raja,
That phrase has already been hijacked by the Cina apek:
"Lu mau mati kah??!!!"

On 3/17/11 12:14 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

  what happened to the phrase 'berani mati' ?




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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

imho, oscc is a unique organisation within the public sector. it is bold
enough to fail. and realistic enough to know that it will not win all
battles, and will not win any wars.

a case in point is the battle for the desktop.

but look at the number of govt web sites and applications using oss. there
are so many web sub-systems like sispan. starting out as a system for
schools in a small district of perak, and now deserved enough attention that
pemandu wants to put in millions to scale up the application. openhis is
also another current example.

since the start of oscc in 2004, it has started breaking up vendor depedency
(lock-in) for web applications and infrastructure. before this, web
applications was the exclusive recluse of large companies hiring programmers
from india creating 'bloated' (opppss... sorry, i meant 'not optimised for
local situation') systems like hrmis.

if there are any programmers from india reading this, i am sorry. it is the
organisations that i blame for their sub-contract and 'lepas tangan'
attitude.

oss also provided a channel to 'circumvent' limited budget constraints and
tedious procurement processes for many ict depts within the govt.

maybe, oscc could have done better, or should have achieved much more.
maybe. but at least it existed and did make a difference to some people.

it is the small wins that we should be looking at, and replicating it and
making it better. and rejoicing and be grateful for. if we keep on sniffing
and hunting down for failures and mistakes, we will never find out what
works and how to move forward.

i remember the earlier days in linux, when anything that worked was a joy.
now it seems that we are on a path of always trying to find fault, instead
of learning from other successes. what happened to the phrase 'berani mati'
?




2011/3/17 

> Saya bagi contoh satu, bekas pelajar Matrikulasi pernah menag dalam
> pertandingan OpenOffice di India 2 tahun lepas tak silap, nanti saya korek
> sikit maklumat.
> Memang masalah dokumentasi ni remeh. Pastu di Malaysia tak banyak kita
> war2kan di dunia.
> Tapi saya yakin ada sinar, kalau kita dapat satu hati, dengan mengenepikan
> pandangan peribadi masing-masing.
> OpenOffice memang dah dipasang secara total di government agencies,
> penggunaannya je menjadi tanda tanya. Kalau di semua kolej matrikulasi pula,
> kita bukan sekadar memasang OpenOffice, kita juga bertindak menyahpasang
> Microsoft Office.
> Kalau nak numbers atau figures, saya boleh senaraikan. Tapi tak boleh
> jadikan bahan bukti sebab tak official di sini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> --
> *From: * Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:57:31 +0800
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
> IT.
>
> MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
> cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.
>
> Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
> sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
> menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
> menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
> MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?
>
> Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
> MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
> ni?
>
> Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?
>
> Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
> pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
> Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?
>
> Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?
>
> Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
>> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
>> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
>> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
>> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>>

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Saya bagi contoh satu, bekas pelajar Matrikulasi pernah menag dalam 
pertandingan OpenOffice di India 2 tahun lepas tak silap, nanti saya korek 
sikit maklumat.
Memang masalah dokumentasi ni remeh. Pastu di Malaysia tak banyak kita war2kan 
di dunia.
Tapi saya yakin ada sinar, kalau kita dapat satu hati, dengan mengenepikan 
pandangan peribadi masing-masing.
OpenOffice memang dah dipasang secara total di government agencies, 
penggunaannya je menjadi tanda tanya. Kalau di semua kolej matrikulasi pula, 
kita bukan sekadar memasang OpenOffice, kita juga bertindak menyahpasang 
Microsoft Office. 
Kalau nak numbers atau figures, saya boleh senaraikan. Tapi tak boleh jadikan 
bahan bukti sebab tak official di sini.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:57:31 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
IT.

MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.

Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?

Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
ni?

Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?

Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?

Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?

Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:

> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
> > This kind of situation is common.
> >
> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
> >
> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
> >
> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to
> spend
> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> >> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> >> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> >> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable
> hardware
> >> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> >> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers
> providing
> >> only for m$ windows platform.
> >>
> >> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> >> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> >>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dar

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

Saya pernah berkerja didalam OSCC semasa fasa pertama dibawah syarikat DRB
IT.

MyNetwatch adalah hasil usaha saya. Malah nama MyNetwatch tu pun saya yang
cadangkan. Dokumen untuk versi pertama MyNetwatch saya yang tulis.

Tapi cuba kira berapa banyak agensi kerajaan yang menggunakan MyNetwatch,
sama ada versi awal, atau versi yang terkini. Berapa banyak pula yang
menggunakan OpenOffice sepenuhnya? MAMPU kata lebih 90%, tapi yang
menghairankan, MAMPU juga masih menggunakan format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT untuk dokumen tender mereka. Impak kah itu?

Berapa banyak pula agensi yang menggunakan produk lain OSCC seperti
MySpamguard, MySurfguard, MyMeeting dan sebagainya? Mana nombor/statistik
ni?

Kenapa nombor ni tak dicanangkan keseluruh dunia?

Apa yang sering dicanangkan, adalah keberjayaan melaksanakan pertandingan
pengaturcaraan 36 jam tanpa henti. Tapi apa hasil dari pertandingan ini?
Mana kodnya dan mana projeknya?

Apa sumbangan pertandingan tu kepada Sumber Terbuka Malaysia?

Banyak lagi soalan. Tapi nanti bazir masa jer bertanya.


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,  wrote:

> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di
> era syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling
> berjaya setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
> > This kind of situation is common.
> >
> > The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> > known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
> >
> > As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
> >
> > I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to
> spend
> > government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> >> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> >> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> >> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable
> hardware
> >> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> >> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers
> providing
> >> only for m$ windows platform.
> >>
> >> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> >> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> >>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> >>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
> >>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> >>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Soire Meira 
> >>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
> >>> To: 
> >>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
> >>>>
> >>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> >>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
> >>>>
> >>>&

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Takpe...we know what we did. Whether people agree with us or not, it
really doesn't matter.

FOSS is about freedom of choice. I also believe in freedom of
expression and opinion.

Maybe after training 4000+ Public Sector staff on FOSS and having 40+
Grades Fs and FTs certified on OSCC's FOSS certification; some may
consider it trivial.

Biggest hurdle we face was always the lack of political will. There
are many really good and enthusiastic FOSS people in the Public
Sector, but they and their efforts are always hampered and blocked by
clueless paper pushers.

Cheers and Peace Be Upon You

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:36 AM,   wrote:
> Tak payah kat western, kalau kat sini pun dah kandas.. He he..
> Takpelah pun.. Ketiga-tiga nama tupun dah tak de kat situ.. Haha..
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:33:49
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Not many people agree with you Tajul.
>
> If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
> journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
>> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
>> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
>> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
>> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
>> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
>> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
>> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
>> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
>> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
>> to get promoted to Jusa.
>>
>> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
>> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
>> MyGOSSCON.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>>  wrote:
>>> This kind of situation is common.
>>>
>>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>>
>>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>>>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>>>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>>>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>>>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>>>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>>>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>>>
>>>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>>>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>>>> 

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Tak payah kat western, kalau kat sini pun dah kandas.. He he..
Takpelah pun.. Ketiga-tiga nama tupun dah tak de kat situ.. Haha..
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-Original Message-
From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:33:49 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Not many people agree with you Tajul.

If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
>> This kind of situation is common.
>>
>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>
>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>
>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>>
>>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>>> To: 
>>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>>>
>>>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>>>> bantahan
>>>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>>>&g

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Not many people agree with you Tajul.

If not enough about OSCC is written by some Mat Salleh in some Western
journal or website depa kira OSCC dah kandas.

Eric


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
> Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya.
> Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama 
> Saudara HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut 
> semua), banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
> Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting..
> Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
> Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
> syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
> setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
> to get promoted to Jusa.
>
> Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
> presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
> MyGOSSCON.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
>  wrote:
>> This kind of situation is common.
>>
>> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
>> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>>
>> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>>
>> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
>> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>>
>>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>>> To: 
>>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>>>
>>>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>>>> bantahan
>>>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>>>>>> lahir
>>>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>>>>>> punya
>>>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>>>>>> dr
>>>>>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>>>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>>>>
>>>

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Banyak jasa OSCC dalam kerajaan sebenarnya. 
Dari zaman DRB IT, sampai Dataware yang mana di dalamnya ada hadir sama Saudara 
HarisFazillah, Mr Eric, Khairul Izzat dan yang lainnya (maaf x sebut semua), 
banyak impak dan perubahan telah berlaku dalam kerajaan.
Kita dah ada MySpamguard, Mysurfguard, MyMeeting.. 
Pelajar dah tau guna OpenOffice, Ubuntu.. GIMP
Kerajaan dah banyak guna Joomla!, Ubuntu Server dan CentOS.. Semua tu di era 
syarikat yang bernanung di bawah OSCC dan saya rasa Dataware paling berjaya 
setakat ini. Satu kerugian kalau x teruskan legasi ini.
 
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:24:55 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
to get promoted to Jusa.

Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
MyGOSSCON.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> This kind of situation is common.
>
> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>
> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>
> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
>>
>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>
>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>> To: 
>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>
>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>>
>>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>>> bantahan
>>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>>>>> lahir
>>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>>>>> punya
>>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>>>>> dr
>>>>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

I disagree. It was not a way to spend Govt money but a way for someone
to get promoted to Jusa.

Measuring significance in the global scale, OSCC didn't make much of a
presence. But at least there is some events on FOSS now like
MyGOSSCON.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> This kind of situation is common.
>
> The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
> known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.
>
> As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.
>
> I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
> government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
>>
>> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
>> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
>> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
>> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
>> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
>> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
>> only for m$ windows platform.
>>
>> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
>> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta
>>> untuk buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Soire Meira 
>>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>>> To: 
>>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>>
>>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>>
>>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>>> bantahan
>>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn 
>>>>> lahir
>>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>>>>> punya
>>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>>>>> dr
>>>>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>>>>>> > skadar
>>>>>> > cadangan ja
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>>>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>>>>>> >> other
>>>>>> >> providers hated us.
>>>>>> >>
>>>&g

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar]

On 03/16/2011 07:53 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:

This kind of situation is common.

The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not 
even known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.


As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.

I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to 
spend government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.




On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah 
mailto:rajaiskand...@gmail.com>> wrote:


on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix)
with touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a
'reliable hardware and software'. i foresee the other main
competitor would be terengganu's ebook and the biggest other
challenge are the content providers providing only for m$ windows
platform.

on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and
openhis.



offtopic:
last week i was at IBM partner university and there was this boring 
event some sort of like anugerah juara lagu where heitech padu topped 
30mil last year selling IBM stuff. Kayo pakcik kayo...


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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

This kind of situation is common.

The company that will get the tender will be a company that is not even
known as an Open Source supporter or contributor.

As long as they are big and got lots of money, they will get it.

I'm not surprised in the end OSCC is nothing but just another way to spend
government money. Nothing really significant was achieved.



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
> only for m$ windows platform.
>
> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
>> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> --
>> *From: * Soire Meira 
>> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>
>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>
>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>
>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira wrote:
>>>
>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>> bantahan
>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir
>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>>>> punya
>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik 
>>>> dr Mark
>>>> Zuckerberg..
>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>
>>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>>>>> skadar
>>>>> > cadangan ja
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>>>>> other
>>>>> >> providers hated us.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>>>> >> Grad

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Please remove me if any mention of politicians comes up again.

Eric


On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
> only for m$ windows platform.
>
> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
>> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> 
>> From: Soire Meira 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>> To: 
>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>
>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>
>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
>>>> serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
>>>> bantahan
>>>> dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
>>>> taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir
>>>> anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
>>>> punya
>>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr
>>>> Mark Zuckerberg..
>>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>>
>>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>>>>> > skadar
>>>>> > cadangan ja
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
>>>>> >> other
>>>>> >> providers hated us.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it.
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>>>> >>
>>&g

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
only for m$ windows platform.

on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:

> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> --
> *From: * Soire Meira 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>
> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>
>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>>> Mark
>>> Zuckerberg..
>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>
>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>
>>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>>
>>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
>>>> skadar
>>>> > cadangan ja
>>>> >
>>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>>>> >> providers hated us.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
>>>> to
>>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it.
>>>> I
>>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eric
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>>>> dalam
>>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain,
>>>> contohnya DG
>>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, 

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk buat 
perbincangan dengan kita.
Bila ye, nak buat?..
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Soire Meira 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>> Mark
>> Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>>> > cadangan ja
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >>
>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>>> >> providers hated us.
>>> >>
>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>>> dalam
>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>>> DG
>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>>> juga
>>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message-
>>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>>> >> > To: 
>>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Eric
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>>> &g

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>> Mark
>> Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>>> > cadangan ja
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >>
>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>>> >> providers hated us.
>>> >>
>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>>> dalam
>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>>> DG
>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>>> juga
>>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message-
>>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>>> >> > To: 
>>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Eric
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>>> >> >> jobs
>>> >> >> done nicely.
>>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl
>>> left at
>>> >> >> there.
>>> >> >> Those who are capable to d

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:

> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
> Mark
> Zuckerberg..
> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>
>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>
>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>> > cadangan ja
>> >
>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >>
>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>> >> providers hated us.
>> >>
>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>> >>
>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>> dalam
>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>> DG
>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>> juga
>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>> >> > To: 
>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> >> >
>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>> >> >> jobs
>> >> >> done nicely.
>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left
>> at
>> >> >> there.
>> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>> >> >> until
>> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> GarfieldWTF
>> >> >> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
>> >> >> http://debmal.my
>> >> >> -
>> >> >> CS Squad

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh
baik dr Mark
Zuckerberg..
p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack

2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>
> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
> > cadangan ja
> >
> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >>
> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
> >> providers hated us.
> >>
> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> >> Grades F and FT only.
> >>
> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
> dalam
> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
> DG
> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
> juga
> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> >> > To: 
> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >> >
> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
> >> >
> >> > Eric
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> @Harisfazillah
> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
> >> >> jobs
> >> >> done nicely.
> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left
> at
> >> >> there.
> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
> >> >> until
> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
> >> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Satu cadangan yang menarik.

Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
> cadangan ja
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>> providers hated us.
>>
>> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>> Grades F and FT only.
>>
>> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam
>> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG
>> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga
>> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>> > To: 
>> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> >
>> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>> >
>> > Eric
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>> > wrote:
>> >> @Harisfazillah
>> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>> >> jobs
>> >> done nicely.
>> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
>> >> there.
>> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>> >> until
>> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
cadangan ja

2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
> providers hated us.
>
> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> Grades F and FT only.
>
> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
> approved several such applications when I was there.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam
> lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
> adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG
> (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga
> ada fighter untuk OSS.
> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >
> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
> wrote:
> >> @Harisfazillah
> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
> >> done nicely.
> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
> >> there.
> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
> until
> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
providers hated us.

OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
Grades F and FT only.

You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
approved several such applications when I was there.

Eric

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam 
> lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS adoption. 
> Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG (cikgu). Sebab 
> kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga ada fighter untuk 
> OSS.
> Sorry, I have no number again..
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> To: 
> Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> OSCC exists on paper only now.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
>> @Harisfazillah
>> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
>> done nicely.
>> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
>> there.
>> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until
>> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam 
lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS adoption. 
Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG (cikgu). Sebab 
kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga ada fighter untuk 
OSS.
Sorry, I have no number again..
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

OSCC exists on paper only now.

Eric


On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> @Harisfazillah
> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
> done nicely.
> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
> there.
> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until
> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>
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[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

OSCC exists on paper only now.

Eric


On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> @Harisfazillah
> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
> done nicely.
> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
> there.
> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until
> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
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[darXness darXness]

ru igt nak apply masuk OSCC.hahahaha

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
> @Harisfazillah
> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
> done nicely.
> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
> there.
> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until
> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
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[Garfield WTF]

@Harisfazillah
I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
done nicely.
Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
there.
Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until
==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Bila dengan kerajaan, jangan menokah arus. Nanti kita disisihkan.

OSCC is a success failure. We can get around 6000 pegawai ICT kerajaan
to know and understand OSS but what about around 800,000 more in Govt.
Its harder when OSS is more to ICT then to administration.

As simple as what is operating system... If you can get ordinary users
to understand OS then good. Easier for us to push Desktop into Schools
or govt agencies.

What about telling them to use open standard? Hmm had done the
implementation and sudah kena macam-macam. Its not as easy as talk
about it or gunakan "arahan rasmi" - tak jalan pun. Bila users tak
nak, tak jalanlah apa pun usaha OSS.

Thats 800,000 is the users. And 6000 of our ICT officers need to
support them... pening tak?

Users perspective need to be change. How? Tell me? If anyone have the solution.

Another problem

We have to know and we have to deal. In order to get OSS
implementation into Govt we need to approach individually each of
agencies in Kerajaan Malaysia. Its around 1000 Federal Agencies and
thats not includes states agencies and Sabah and Sarawak agencies.

For 5 years OSCC had done that. Gets as many agencies that will send
pegawai for OSS seminar or workshop.

Just telling them about Open Source philosophy will work? Hmmm done
that Tak jalan pun...

So, give me the numbers.

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

best wishes to oscc.

other than openhis, perhaps they can have a look at sispa as well.

hopefully, oscc can come out with updated oss reference architectures with
benchmark performance, load and security tests.

then let this reference architecture become the benchmark for all
implementation. need to look at the best, and use this to formulate best
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:35 AM, red1  wrote:

>  Don't shoot me, i am just the messenger that told you so. This is called
> an unofficially written policy by the govt not to support Open Source
> precisely because it cannot show the numbers they want. Gomen want
> commercial numbers, not innovation numbers.
>
> But i guess we still need the prophets around for a long time to keep
> hammering the sad truth.
>
> Salam 1Sumber.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 8:00 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
>
> saya sungguh tak faham
>
> tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?
>
> kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
> OpenHIS?
>
> kenapa ada requirement sebegini?
>
> *The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to following
> scope of the Project which includes:
> i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
> Project.  Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development tools,
> database and training.
> ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
> Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
> iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
> implementation in Public Sector
> iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
> implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance
> v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
> infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5*
>
> patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
> adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
> OpenHIS
>
> sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi kerajaan,
> tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender kepada syarikat
> swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?
>
> dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY dari
> MICROSOFT.
>
> Well done MAMPU!!!
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[red1]

Don't shoot me, i am just the messenger that told you so. This is
called an unofficially written policy by the govt not to support Open
Source precisely because it cannot show the numbers they want. Gomen
want commercial numbers, not innovation numbers. 

But i guess we still need the prophets around for a long time to keep
hammering the sad truth.

Salam 1Sumber.

On 3/13/11 8:00 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
saya sungguh tak faham
  
tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?
  
kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
OpenHIS?
  
kenapa ada requirement sebegini?
  
  The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to
following scope of the Project which includes:
i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
Project.  Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development
tools, database and training.
ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
implementation in Public Sector
iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance 
v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5
  
patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
OpenHIS
  
sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi
kerajaan, tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender
kepada syarikat swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?
  
dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY
dari MICROSOFT.
  
Well done MAMPU!!!

 





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[tajul]

MAMPU pun dah tak mampu ni..
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From: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:00:45 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

saya sungguh tak faham

tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?

kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
OpenHIS?

kenapa ada requirement sebegini?

*The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to following
scope of the Project which includes:
i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
Project.  Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development tools,
database and training.
ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
implementation in Public Sector
iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance
v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5*

patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
OpenHIS

sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi kerajaan,
tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender kepada syarikat
swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?

dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT.

Well done MAMPU!!!




On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Raja,
>
> You need to refer to tender specs Projek Intergrasi Open Source
> Hospital Information System (Integrated OpenHIS)
>
> You can download the tender specs here
>
>
> https://www.eperolehan.com.my/qt.url.document.download.ac?docId=16505&docServId=398848
>
> You need to browse to the end of the documents. :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > Dear all
> >
> > Wassup with OSCC ? I read this from the website :
> >
> > All OSCC services except technical support and training have resumed
> > operation. However, Open Office and OSCC Product training at the agency
> > venue can be arranged if required. The OSCC will resume full operation in
> > May 2011.
> >
> > red1, I see that they have published the BRR
> >
> http://www.oscc.org.my/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,139/Itemid,29/
> >
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Saya pun tak pasti nak letakkan perasaan macam mana. Happy ke atau risau.

Waktu baca keseluruhan tender specs awalnya tak perasaan scope tu.

Saya dapat rasakan, ini bukan lagi OSCC, projek lebih tertumpu dalam
menjayakan OpenHIS. Mungkin scope hampir sama kerana mengikut specs
OSCC tapi matlamat sudah tertumpu kepada objektif tertentu sahaja.
Dalam perkara ini pejabat projek hanya berdasarkan cara OSCC tapi
untuk projek ini.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
 wrote:
> saya sungguh tak faham
>
> tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?
>
> kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
> OpenHIS?
>
> kenapa ada requirement sebegini?
>
> The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to following
> scope of the Project which includes:
> i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
> Project.  Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development tools,
> database and training.
> ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
> Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
> iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
> implementation in Public Sector
> iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
> implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance
> v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
> infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5
>
> patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
> adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
> OpenHIS
>
> sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi kerajaan,
> tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender kepada syarikat
> swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?
>
> dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY dari
> MICROSOFT.
>
> Well done MAMPU!!!
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

saya sungguh tak faham

tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?

kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
OpenHIS?

kenapa ada requirement sebegini?

*The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to following
scope of the Project which includes:
i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
Project.  Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development tools,
database and training.
ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
implementation in Public Sector
iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance
v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5*

patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
OpenHIS

sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi kerajaan,
tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender kepada syarikat
swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?

dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY dari
MICROSOFT.

Well done MAMPU!!!




On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Raja,
>
> You need to refer to tender specs Projek Intergrasi Open Source
> Hospital Information System (Integrated OpenHIS)
>
> You can download the tender specs here
>
>
> https://www.eperolehan.com.my/qt.url.document.download.ac?docId=16505&docServId=398848
>
> You need to browse to the end of the documents. :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > Dear all
> >
> > Wassup with OSCC ? I read this from the website :
> >
> > All OSCC services except technical support and training have resumed
> > operation. However, Open Office and OSCC Product training at the agency
> > venue can be arranged if required. The OSCC will resume full operation in
> > May 2011.
> >
> > red1, I see that they have published the BRR
> >
> http://www.oscc.org.my/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,139/Itemid,29/
> >
> >
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[fenris]

:) wink wink

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Raja,
>
> You need to refer to tender specs Projek Intergrasi Open Source
> Hospital Information System (Integrated OpenHIS)
>
> You can download the tender specs here
>
>
> https://www.eperolehan.com.my/qt.url.document.download.ac?docId=16505&docServId=398848
>
> You need to browse to the end of the documents. :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > Dear all
> >
> > Wassup with OSCC ? I read this from the website :
> >
> > All OSCC services except technical support and training have resumed
> > operation. However, Open Office and OSCC Product training at the agency
> > venue can be arranged if required. The OSCC will resume full operation in
> > May 2011.
> >
> > red1, I see that they have published the BRR
> >
> http://www.oscc.org.my/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,139/Itemid,29/
> >
> >
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Raja,

You need to refer to tender specs Projek Intergrasi Open Source
Hospital Information System (Integrated OpenHIS)

You can download the tender specs here

https://www.eperolehan.com.my/qt.url.document.download.ac?docId=16505&docServId=398848

You need to browse to the end of the documents. :)

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> Dear all
>
> Wassup with OSCC ? I read this from the website :
>
> All OSCC services except technical support and training have resumed
> operation. However, Open Office and OSCC Product training at the agency
> venue can be arranged if required. The OSCC will resume full operation in
> May 2011.
>
> red1, I see that they have published the BRR
> http://www.oscc.org.my/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,139/Itemid,29/
>
>

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[osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

Dear all

Wassup with OSCC ? I read this from the website :

All OSCC services except technical support and training have resumed
operation. However, Open Office and OSCC Product training at the agency
venue can be arranged if required. The OSCC will resume full operation in
May 2011.

red1, I see that they have published the BRR
http://www.oscc.org.my/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,139/Itemid,29/

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