Re: [OSList] Moderator

2021-01-28 Thread Alan Halford via OSList
Mark, I think the answer to all your questions is that the OSList exists to 
remind us, that all that’s needed for Open Space is to 
Issue Invitation
Form a Circle
Create an Agenda 
Get To Work
Nothing more apart from thanking  Harold for keeping it functioning
 


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Re: [OSList] Guides

2021-01-28 Thread Bhavesh Patel via OSList
Purpose, guidelines, moderation... I guess it's all OST... 5 principles, 1
law, etc...

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 07:58, Tony Budak via OSList <
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> Hello Colleagues,
>
> What are the guidelines of this Open Space Technology email list?
>
> Stay Safe and Well,
> Tony
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Re: [OSList] Purpose

2021-01-28 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
try openspaceworld.org/oslist for purpose and guide.

the oslist has been unmoderated since it began in 1996.

there have been three admins.  murli nagasundaram was a prof at boise state
university and got the list started, hosted by the university.  when he
left the uni, our list was one of the biggest and most active in the whole
uni.  respecting that, they let me continue as moderator-in-fact, with an
IT staff member listed as the nominal admin.  fact is, there was hardly
anything to do, except dogging the occasional repeating echo of a vacation
autoresponder.

when bsu finally asked us to move on, harold created the current instance
of the list, saving all of the archives, and has done all the real admin
work bsu used to do for us.


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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:57 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
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> Hello Colleagues,
>
> What is the Purpose of this Open Space Technology email list?
>
> Stay Safe and Well,
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[OSList] Moderator

2021-01-28 Thread Tony Budak via OSList

Hello Colleagues,

Who if any is Moderator of this Open Space Technology email list?

Stay Safe and Well,
Tony

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[OSList] Guides

2021-01-28 Thread Tony Budak via OSList

Hello Colleagues,

What are the guidelines of this Open Space Technology email list?

Stay Safe and Well,
Tony

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[OSList] Purpose

2021-01-28 Thread Tony Budak via OSList

Hello Colleagues,

What is the Purpose of this Open Space Technology email list?

Stay Safe and Well,
Tony

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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread Elwin and Joan via OSList
Mark

If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!

eg 

On Thu Jan 28 2021 19:01:23 GMT-0500 (EST), l33t.79--- via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 if you prefer Facebook groups, then we have one here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/



On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 09:15 Mark Carmel via OSList, 
 wrote:

It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform started? 
When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch up with a 
workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for your 
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread l33t.79--- via OSList
if you prefer Facebook groups, then we have one here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/



On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 09:15 Mark Carmel via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
> your consideration,
> Mark Carmel
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Re: [OSList] Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did today? They put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise system directly in the cash register. The world is now closed ladies and

2021-01-28 Thread l33t.79--- via OSList
1. What was sent in my inbox:

This is literally criminal. How is this allowed??

Citadel is a hedge fund that owns Melvin Capital Management.

Melvin is a $GME short seller predicted to lose BILLIONS due to the people
taking the free market back.

Citadel owns the app Robinhood (RH).

Citadel banned purchases of new $GME shares on RH.

Market manipulation.

2. The explanation I got:

Melvin made a bet that $GME stock would fall lower than some number by a
certain date (short for short). But now people of the internet want to buy
$GME stock for a higher price and Melvin is loosing it's bet.

3. Other news in my inbox:

A. Workers lost $3.7 trillion in earnings during the pandemic. Women and
Gen Z saw the biggest losses.

B. World's billionaires get richer by 3.9 trillion during pandemic.

C. The Pandemic Is Affecting The Mental Health Of The Rich More Than The
Poor.
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has
managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent
through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>
> in genuine contact,
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
>> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
>> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
>> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
>> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>>
>> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
>> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
>> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
>> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
>> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
>> Here are the facts.
>>
>> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
>> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
>> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
>> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>>
>> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
>> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
>> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
>> a more modern interface.
>>
>> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
>> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
>> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
>> app to their phones, etc.
>>
>> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
>> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
>> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
>> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
>> independent.
>>
>> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
>> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
>> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
>> are being fair or accurate.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>
>> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
>> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
>> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
>> your consideration,
>> Mark Carmel
>>
>>
>> --
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>> https://shinsato.com
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[OSList] Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did today? They put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise system directly in the cash register. The world is now closed ladies and gent

2021-01-28 Thread Mark Carmel via OSList

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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

2021-01-28 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
Thank you for the donation requests and the generous donations that have 
come in!


The Open Space Institute U.S. actually has a decent funding base right 
now. I serve as the treasurer as well as the "webmaster", and the board 
is working on a way to hold space for open space with the funds we have.


I personally will not accept any money for my volunteer work. My rewards 
from being involved with this community have been profuse, powerful and 
profound. I'm grateful for the capacity to support Open Space in this 
way. Even if it's not always smooth. Technology has a way of getting in 
the way sometimes more often than it provides a way. Ideally, this tech 
stuff would all be invisible.


I was happy and grateful to put in the effort to migrate the OSList from 
the LISTSERV platform when it stopped being free back in the spring of 
2011. It was looking like it would have cost over a $1000 US annual back 
then.


What can you, members of the OSList, do to support us?

I'll ask that at the next board meeting, but I'll speak from my own 
heart and with my own opinion.


Think about the question Harrison Owen proposed in January of 2020 in 
his morning talks to use in New York City when we could still meet in 
person. This question was also the heart of the online Opening Space for 
Peace and High Performance from a few days ago.



   “How do we engage 8 billion people in meaningful conversation?”

Harrison thrilled us with another question a few days ago at that same 
event. I will paraphrase.

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On 1/28/21 5:15 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList wrote:

Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.

Dear Doug,

having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,
I have donated only 30 dollars.
Thanks so much for this precious service
all the best
ge

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Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
> ha scritto:


Dear Doug,

just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
President of the USA.

Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the
Open
Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would
love to
see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in
Montana.
Here is the PayPal transfer note

"Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
PayPal
Sie haben eine Zahlung über $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
(i...@osius.org ) gesendet"




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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread Birgitt Williams via OSList
Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post gets
placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is
posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I
may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what
has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.

in genuine contact,
Birgitt

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>
> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
> Here are the facts.
>
> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>
> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
> a more modern interface.
>
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
> app to their phones, etc.
>
> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
> independent.
>
> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
> are being fair or accurate.
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>
> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
> your consideration,
> Mark Carmel
>
>
> --
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> har...@shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList
Harold,

Thank you for your efforts and thank you for preferring an open,
independent standard over a walled garden.

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Harold Shinsato via OSList schrieb am 28.01.21 um 16:24:
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to
> look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to
> use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a
> website, download an app to their phones, etc.
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

2021-01-28 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList

Hi Mark,

The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open 
source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service 
is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting 
service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a 
great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.


I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not 
something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost 
servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or 
"when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for 
truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially 
with falsehoods. Here are the facts.


1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the 
real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many 
others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 
1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.


2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 
2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it 
just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). 
which has a more modern interface.


3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look 
very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their 
own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download 
an app to their phones, etc.


4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, 
Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community 
standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that 
is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we 
can stay independent.


Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for 
multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting 
(which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I 
don't think you are being fair or accurate.


    Harold

On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform 
started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's 
catch up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. 
Thanks for your consideration,

Mark Carmel



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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

2021-01-28 Thread gerardo de luzenberger via OSList
Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.

Dear Doug,

having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,
I have donated only 30 dollars.
Thanks so much for this precious service
all the best
ge

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Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Dear Doug,
>
> just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
> President of the USA.
>
> Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open
> Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to
> see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.
> Here is the PayPal transfer note
>
> "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> Sie haben eine Zahlung über $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
> (i...@osius.org) gesendet"
>
> For those of you who forgot their highschool German:
>
> "Hello Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US)
> (i...@osius.org) "
>
> Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here
> > https://osius.org/content/about
>
> scroll down a  bit and look right.
>
> If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks
> to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00
> (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at
> OSI USA want to use it.
>
> Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.
> Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space
> World Map.
> In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way,
> contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being
> listed in the Map)
> Just go here
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>
> Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine
> World Map I expect responses galore. Now.
>
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:
>  > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
>  > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
>  > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
>  > for it, so everyone can use it for free.
>  >
>  > :- Doug.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>  >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
>  >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >>
>  >> Michael Herman
>  >> Michael Herman Associates
>  >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
>
> --
> Michael M Pannwitz
> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
> ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannw...@gmail.com
>
>
> In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in
> Deutschland, Österreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren
> arbeiten.
> Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 Ländern, die in 142 Ländern os verbreiten.
> Mal reinschauen:  http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>
> Bei Westkreuz gibts Bücher/e-Bücher, Kärtchensätze und Schätze auf
> Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

2021-01-28 Thread Thomas Herrmann via OSList
I have created a separate folder for list emails, this stops my inbox from 
being crammed but of makes a risk of not being “there” present all the time 
Hugs to you all open spacers
Thomas

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Skickat: den 27 januari 2021 16:31
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Ämne: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my 
Mach Mail programme

Hi Romy, Anne,

I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that if you 
scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your 
subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten it.

I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the "Digest" 
format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know when you reply 
what email you are replying to. And the digest format will not be in the nice 
format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write another group email 
program to fix that.

Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads for 
my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations, as do 
many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan Digest 
feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single email. And 
you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.

Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active 
moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to requests. 
Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a big chunk of 
work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest version which 
should solve several problems, though I don't think it will solve the "Digest" 
problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of the other needs.

Harold
On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:
Hello Harold,

It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who is 
behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST… and with us once 
again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.

I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST arrives 
into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below…. I receive this list with 
duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff… making it 
hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.

Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in wonderfully 
clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular posting, and not 
extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail 
programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne 
does.

Do you have any clues about what I might do?

Thanks again SO much

Romy


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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

2021-01-28 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList

Dear Doug,

just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former 
President of the USA.


Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open 
Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to 
see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.

Here is the PayPal transfer note

"Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
PayPal
Sie haben eine Zahlung über $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US) 
(i...@osius.org) gesendet"


For those of you who forgot their highschool German:

"Hello Michael M Pannwitz!
PayPal
You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US) 
(i...@osius.org) "


Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here

https://osius.org/content/about


scroll down a  bit and look right.

If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks 
to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00 
(tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at 
OSI USA want to use it.


Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.
Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space 
World Map.
In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way, 
contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being 
listed in the Map)

Just go here

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion


Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine 
World Map I expect responses galore. Now.


mmp



Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:
> Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
> (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
> Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
> for it, so everyone can use it for free.
>
> :- Doug.
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
>> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)


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Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannw...@gmail.com


In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in 
Deutschland, Österreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren 
arbeiten.

Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 Ländern, die in 142 Ländern os verbreiten.
Mal reinschauen:  http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/

Bei Westkreuz gibts Bücher/e-Bücher, Kärtchensätze und Schätze auf 
Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
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