Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Wow. I experience Marai's thoughts and open-ended questions (and 
invitations) as "big."



The podcast segment she offers us to tells an interesting story (I 
think) about the spirit of genuine improvement. It tells a story about 
"one less thing to do"



I experience the 1-minute podcast segment as *certainly* worth a listen.


I wonder who else shares this assessment.




Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST*I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:*

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.

*

So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:
*Can OST actually be made better?*
I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
I once thought that way. Not anymore.

*What if there actually were many things to make it better? *
Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…

So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… everyone 
is going to know about it?

*And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?*

Just wondering…

Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?





Please Wait




On 3/1/18 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
Are you interested in making it better?

I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
been wondering:
What could make me eager to go to Iceland?

Right now, I am not eager. Yet.

I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 in 
Berlin) and several OSonOS.
I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
friends (while I love making new friends!).

But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
How about you?

So I’ve been contemplating:
What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go?
What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
been there?

Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.

*

So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:

Can OST actually be made better?
I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
I once thought that way. Not anymore.

What if there actually were many things to make it better?
Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…

So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… everyone 
is going to know about it?

And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?

Just wondering…

Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?

PS - some of you may remember me:
I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I was 
pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years ago.
One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the space 
for fresh thinking was closing.
Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact approach - 
which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...

With curiosity to explore together,
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/


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Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Hi All,

I'd put myself in the same group as Chris and Birgitt.  I follow the Guide
and don't ever hesitate to open space in weird circumstances that require
some adaptation.  Making those adaptations is where skillful practice comes
in, which requires understanding and embodying the patterns that make up
the practice.  I once had someone tell me I was not doing open space
correctly because the sessions I framed were not 90 minutes long, among
other transgressions.

If there's an OST 1.0 and 2.0, I'd suggest it's as simple as 1.0 is
cookbook and 2.0 is framework.  And everything after that is just practice,
learning, local adaptation.  I find talking about versions is too limiting,
as it suggests a linear evolution, which is in my experience not how
learning and open space work.  There isn't any room in OS for posting a
topic that "somebody" should address, only topics that "I care about and
will address."  In the same way, it seems not very interesting to talk
about what should be happening with OS or OST in the world.  What is really
interesting and exciting is sharing what you and I are actually doing (or
trying, wanting, hoping to do) in and with OS.  That, to me, is where my
and our practice(s) grows and evolves.

Over time, I think there are as many versions of open space as there are
people who care and dare to open space wherever they are.  And then, one
version for everywhere they do it.  Fr. Brian Bainbridge (who I'd say was
one of the most important people in the story of open space in the world,
and one of my own greatest teachers) once told me he used to read a little
bit from the User's Guide every morning before he facilitated an OS event.
He also told me about convening serial wednesday morning open spaces.  He
once opened space on stage in an auditorium and had conveners passing
across that stage and posting/announcing topics on a board there -- then
had no breakouts.  He just let the people hear all the ideas that wanted to
be addressed and left them to it in hallway conversations.  He ran his
parish as an open space gathering.  And in some years made 600-700 "house
visits," just knocking on the doors of parishioners to meet them where they
really lived.

I remember talking with Brian about "Letting Go," what he saw as the
essence of open space.  So how do we open new and improved space in the
world?  How do we go about improving or increasing the amount of letting go
that is going on in the world?  What are the issues and opportunities for
letting go of versions, growth and improvement?  What are the issues and
opportunities for letting go of open space?  Or are we letting go of
letting go?

Michael



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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Tonnie van der Zouwen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Marai and HO, dear all on this list,
>
> Thank you for sharing your experiences and feelings so openly.
> Embarrasment seems to be fruitful somehow.
>
> I have listened to the podcast and an idea popped up. What about making a
> grand opening space song at the Wos on Os in Iceland? I will be there, and
> I am planning to bring some students and colleagues too.
>
> Hope to see you in Iceland in October. And now I am typing this on my
> mobile, I would like to invite you to a session to discuss how the
> principle  'Less is more', and other OS principles can be applied to our
> organizational life. Or to life in general? And to our education system,
> universities? The idea is not new, I know, but I keep forgetting.
>
> See you in Reykjavik,
> Tonnie van der Zouwen
>
>
>
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung-apparaat
>
>
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Van: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Datum: 01-03-18 18:00 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?
>
> Improved Open Space! Marvelous idea!! And should you (or anybody else)
> succeed, I will be the first supporter and largest fan. I will warn you,
> however, that you will not be the first to make such an attempt. I think
> that might have been me.
>
> After I recovered from the two Martinis, and indeed three or four years
> after the first Open Space in Monterey California (1985), I recognized that
> something truly odd and wonderful was happening in that circle. Actually I
> was a slow learner, and it took the sharp eyes of people like Anne Stadler,
> Mahesh, and others to see what I couldn't see.
>
> After a bit, there was something of a blinding flash of the obvious. What
> happened was not only unp

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Tonnie van der Zouwen via OSList]

Dear Marai and HO, dear all on this list,
Thank you for sharing your experiences and feelings so openly. Embarrasment 
seems to be fruitful somehow. 
I have listened to the podcast and an idea popped up. What about making a grand 
opening space song at the Wos on Os in Iceland? I will be there, and I am 
planning to bring some students and colleagues too. 
Hope to see you in Iceland in October. And now I am typing this on my mobile, I 
would like to invite you to a session to discuss how the principle  'Less is 
more', and other OS principles can be applied to our organizational life. Or to 
life in general? And to our education system, universities? The idea is not 
new, I know, but I keep forgetting. 
See you in Reykjavik,Tonnie van der Zouwen


Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung-apparaat

 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Van: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
Datum: 01-03-18  18:00  (GMT+01:00) 
Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
Cc: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ? 

Improved Open Space! Marvelous idea!! And should you (or anybody else) succeed, 
I will be the first supporter and largest fan. I will warn you, however, that 
you will not be the first to make such an attempt. I think that might have been 
me. 

After I recovered from the two Martinis, and indeed three or four years after 
the first Open Space in Monterey California (1985), I recognized that something 
truly odd and wonderful was happening in that circle. Actually I was a slow 
learner, and it took the sharp eyes of people like Anne Stadler, Mahesh, and 
others to see what I couldn't see.

After a bit, there was something of a blinding flash of the obvious. What 
happened was not only unpredictable, but totally remarkable. At least we all 
thought it was pretty weird. And back in those days, weird was good. So how 
about More Weird? Better Weird? Or just better, and not so weird??

It was a pretty heady time. David Cooperrider was appreciating, Marv was 
searching the future, various people were in Quality Circles, and not far down 
the road was Process Re-engineering. Lots to play with, and many wonderful 
playmates -- not to exclude "Searching for Excellence" and "Future Shock!"

We did not do a lot of OS's -- at least by contemporary standards. But each was 
an experiment. Lots of folks suggested adding or changing a bit. My 
instantaneous response was "Try it." The experimentation was considerable -- 
but sometimes embarrassing... for me. For example.

A very large Canadian financial institution was doing a two day OS for the 
purposes of charting their future. 250 folks including the senior staff and 
rising stars. And -- to hedge their bet "the powers" contracted with a friend 
who did "creativity enhancement" for a day's work shop up front. They used 
drums and song...the day was gorgeous! Then we opened space. Massive, powerful, 
productive. 

When it was all over, "The Powers that Be" asked me what I thought. I had to 
bite my tongue. But the folks involved were quick to the point. To a person 
they say, "The Three days were gorgeous -- but why did we waste the first day?" 
Their words, my friend. I was embarrassed.

That has been my story ever since. Embarrassed. 

I had been taught, practiced, and been honored for all of the things that 
"modern management" was supposed to do. My training was usually informal 
(serious folks telling me how) but my positions were "recognized (check out 
whatever Who's Who)." Open Space Technology was/is the embarrassment of my 
life. Every single principle or practice that I "learned" was violated. I 
really had a hard time keeping a straight face talking to my friends/colleagues.

So to your question. If you want to learn how to "do" OST -- stay home. If you 
want some new trick of the trade -- don't go out the door.

HOWEVER -- in 30+ year of failure, I have learned one thing. Less is more. We 
already "know" how to do OS -- been doing it for 13.7 billion years. What we 
need to work on is putting to one side all that we think/taught works. Hard 
job. But possible. 

I call it "being there authentically." Martin H. might call it "Dasein." Call 
it what you like, but it is worth a trip. 

I'm going to try. Will you?


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-Original Message-
From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Marai 
Kiele via OSList
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 6:33 AM
To: ost list international
Cc: Marai Kiele
Subject: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

Dear colleagues,

Are y

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Marai Kiele via OSList]

Thank you all for the vivid responses!

Tom, I have a big YES for what you described:

„…we conduct a number of experiments on ourselves about mixing and matching 
form, cross pollinating ideas form the various forms of self organizing 
gathering and working.  And do a bunch of reflecting and considering about what 
OST V2.0 might be? It may be that we have found the perfect product in OST V1.0 
 But it might be that through the gathering of all of the groups to conduct 
these kinds of experiments and reflections we find some other options that 
might be good in certain situations.  Or something else.“ 

*

What I am mostly interested in is open space. Whenever Open Space Technology 
serves that, I am in.
As with the Genuine Contact Program: I am dedicated to genuine contact. 
Whenever I come across something else that serves that intention, I embrace it.

2003 I began sharing my main OST learnings with my closest friends, and 
suggested little things like: 
„Please never go out to the movies with me just because we said so. You can 
apply the law of two feet and cancel last minute. With me, always stay true to 
what you really want.“
That was friendship 2.0 :-)

After having fallen in love with OST I knew: I don’t see this as just a meeting 
methodology. I want this to become my way of living!
But… I also knew it would be tough for me. My need to control was strong: To 
control when things started or ended - who came and who didn’t - what we would 
talk about - where it took place…
Becoming an OST and GC facilitator turned into a spiritual journey, as I didn’t 
want to just „do“ OST but „embody“ OST.

Part of MY biggest vision for OST is millions or billions of people embracing 
the principles for their every day lives.
So they get to relax and more trusting in life. As I have become in the last 15 
years.

   Instead of remorse, embracing „whatever happened…“
   Instead of continuous rushing, trusting in „whenever it starts…“

   Instead of manipulating, extending an invitation…
   Instead of pretending and separating body and soul, following the law of two 
feet...

In the WOSonOS planning meeting during my session „OST as a world-view“ I 
shared:

To me, the principles hold within them trust in the goodness of live. 
An invitation to relax and go with the flow. An opening up to 
synchronicity...

I am happy when an OST meeting leads to great work. I am even more happy when 
people take something away for their (work) life in general…
For example, when they refer to being a bumble bee, giving themselves 
permission to move. To be free.

I am not convinced that the only and best way for making this way of living 
accessible to millions of people is having them all participate in 2,5 day 
conferences.
What other ideas might we come up with, getting together as explorers?

How about creating online events like the current „Worldwide Tapping Summit“? 
Events which present many processes that all support self-organisation and 
genuine leadership (thanks to a recent conversation to Daniel Mezick for this 
term).

Apps as described by Paul Levy during the planning meeting. 
And...

As for other posts about OST being around for 30 years and not having been made 
better:

With all due respect to the OST elders and especially to my direct teachers 
Michael M Pannwitz and Harrison Owen, and at the same time being intentionally 
irreverently: In an evolutionary context, 30 years means nothing!
Something can be the top of the game for thirty, hundreds or thousands of years 
and then upgraded by the next evolutionary adaptation.

Which makes a new user’s guide necessary. As described here ;-) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ 


Curious about a possibility of WOSonos 2018,
Marai


> Am 01.03.2018 um 16:02 schrieb Tom Brown  >:
> 
> 
> Marai,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.  The impression I have had after listening to the 
> little chunk of podcast and reading you note.
> 
> Is that the family of self organizing approaches would come together at 
> WOSonOS.  Not just Open Spacers, but folks who do lean coffee, bar camp, 
> scrum and agile, and the list goes on. (I’m not sure that I know all of the 
> different klans of self organizing approaches.) 
> 
> And when we come together we conduct a number of experiments on ourslves 
> about mixing and matching form, cross pollinating ideas form the various 
> forms of self organizing gathering and working.  And do a bunch of reflecting 
> and considering about what OST V2.0 might be?  It may be that we have found 
> the perfect product in OST V1.0  But it might be that through the gathering 
> of all of the groups to conduct these kinds of experiments and reflections we 
> find some other options that might be good in certain situations.  Or 
> something else.
> 
> We might have a theme around building / discovering a V2.0 OST
> 
> --Tom Brown
> 

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

Like Birgitt and Harrison, I’ve been a pretty “pure drop” practitioner of OST, 
although that hasn’t stopped me from doing other things in and around OST 
events and trying them with interesting constraints.  As a single method, it is 
a highly polished jewel and has terrific applicability to a number of 
situations and issues.  I love it.

My deep engagement and thinking around OST has led me to deeply look at teh 
dynamics of self-organizing systems and the leadership and facilitation 
practices that support these kinds of methods.  That has led me into a long 
engagement with the Art of Hosting community where folks who learned how to do 
this within several communities of practice around methods have come together 
for 20 years to look at the broader implications of “hosting” as facilitation 
and leadership practice and learning as a fundamental organizational strategy.

That “community of praxis,” as I call it, differs from the communities of 
practice that have grown up around methods.  What we are doing (and this is 
true I think of other communities of praxis like Genuine Contact, Theory U, 
Human System dynamics and others) is working with a generative framework of 
theory that informs multiple practice approaches.  Theory channeled into a 
framework that generates different kinds of practices or provides a coherent 
explanation for why methods like OST work for complex adaptive systems…

For me personally the deep work that the OST community of practice has put into 
the method has resulted in an absolute gem.It’s not the only method I use for 
work, but when I use it, it’s pretty much version 1.0.  

Yes things need to evolve.  Animals and plants evolve. But they do so because 
the dynamics of life remain the same.  Life is life.

There are many methods but self-organization as a pattern has been the same for 
13.8 billion years, even though it has resulted in a massive diversity of 
things that have emerged - giraffes, inspiration, meteors, soap, hydrogen, 
party balloons, and gin. That consistency is why it seems to me that OST has 
changed so little over the years.  There is always novelty produced inside the 
container.  But the container remains the same.  

I’m not sure if I can come to Iceland. But if I did, it wouldn’t be about 
finding a new version of OST. It would be to hang out and connect with folks, 
explore new ideas, hear some stories, drink some Brennivin and celebrate the 
beautifully polished gem.  That’s just me though. And probably there’d be some 
conversations about “what next?” That might be interesting. And I love it that 
people make new things.

But it’s important that the source code be preserved by at least some of us.  
We can do both/and.  I like hanging out wit the source code.  I’ll do that.  
You all do your thing, and let’s keep meeting here to talk about what we’re 
learning.

Chris

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Birgitt Williams via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Marai,
> Thank you for your invitation to imagine. Just yesterday I wrote a  blog post 
> 
>  about the benefits from the power of imagination...and using meetings as a 
> catalyst to soar. Within participative meetings, especially when the space is 
> genuinely open, we benefit from the power of imagination. Imagination fuels 
> creativity. By nature, all people have (are) creative and creating spirit.
> 
> In the blog post, I speak about the importance of well done planning for the 
> participatory meeting. No matter what kind of participatory meeting method is 
> used, space gets opened for imagination and creative spirit. I think of open 
> space as sacred space, and what is referred to as 'opening space' invites the 
> use of imagination to remember that spirit is all that is. 
> 
> For over 25 years I have been a purist when it comes to facilitating the Open 
> Space Technology meeting as the way of doing so as taught by Harrison opens 
> space in the best ways for people to access their awareness of their 
> connection with their creative spirit, benefiting from the power of 
> imagination to do so. I think that we have evolved beyond discussions of Open 
> Space Technology as it is just fine as it is.
> 
> We seem to discuss opening space and it is valuable not to confuse that with 
> OST, which is simply one form, albeit a great one, of opening space. I have 
> interest in a WOSONOS that recognizes this distinction and opens itself to 
> people who are interested in the space that is opened via any participatory 
> meeting or any other means.
> 
> Blessings to all,
> Birgitt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Skye Hirst via OSList 
> > 
> wrote:
> I just found this poem,  I think I wrote it, not sure,  but sounds relevant.  
> 
> Come into opening the circle of Living processes
> Where life 

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Doug Marteinson via OSList]

Thanks Marai for opening this topic for wide conversation! 

From the WOSonOS planning meeting, I am interpreting that the conversation 
zoomed in on broadening the use of open space worldwide (no need to waste time 
on trying to improve OST) —  so that WOSonOS "opens itself to people who are 
interested in the space that is opened via any participatory meeting or any 
other means.” 

Thanks for that line, Brigitt!

Cheers ;-)
Doug
Cel 403-284-5144

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Marai,
> Thank you for your invitation to imagine. Just yesterday I wrote a  blog post 
> about the benefits from the power of imagination...and using meetings as a 
> catalyst to soar. Within participative meetings, especially when the space is 
> genuinely open, we benefit from the power of imagination. Imagination fuels 
> creativity. By nature, all people have (are) creative and creating spirit.
> 
> In the blog post, I speak about the importance of well done planning for the 
> participatory meeting. No matter what kind of participatory meeting method is 
> used, space gets opened for imagination and creative spirit. I think of open 
> space as sacred space, and what is referred to as 'opening space' invites the 
> use of imagination to remember that spirit is all that is. 
> 
> For over 25 years I have been a purist when it comes to facilitating the Open 
> Space Technology meeting as the way of doing so as taught by Harrison opens 
> space in the best ways for people to access their awareness of their 
> connection with their creative spirit, benefiting from the power of 
> imagination to do so. I think that we have evolved beyond discussions of Open 
> Space Technology as it is just fine as it is.
> 
> We seem to discuss opening space and it is valuable not to confuse that with 
> OST, which is simply one form, albeit a great one, of opening space. I have 
> interest in a WOSONOS that recognizes this distinction and opens itself to 
> people who are interested in the space that is opened via any participatory 
> meeting or any other means.
> 
> Blessings to all,
> Birgitt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Skye Hirst via OSList 
>  wrote:
> I just found this poem,  I think I wrote it, not sure,  but sounds relevant.  
> 
> Come into opening the circle of Living processes
> Where life appears mysterious and wonderful
> Where "can'ts"  do find "how-tos."
> Where the diversity of us together
> Is far more than the sum of the parts.
> 
> And it is something to do with us being embodied living beings - to-gather
> 
> Thank you so for your thoughtful inviting.oh heck,  opening the space 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList 
>  wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
> Are you interested in making it better?
> 
> I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
> been wondering:
> What could make me eager to go to Iceland?
> 
> Right now, I am not eager. Yet.
> 
> I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 
> in Berlin) and several OSonOS.
> I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
> Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
> friends (while I love making new friends!).
> 
> But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
> How about you?
> 
> So I’ve been contemplating:
> What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go?
> What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
> been there?
> 
> Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
> and brilliant approach to marketing.
> Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
> minute:
> 
> http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233
> 
> Stopp what is playing automatically
> Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
> Listen to 10:57 - 11:58
> 
> Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.
> 
> *
> 
> So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:
> 
> Can OST actually be made better?
> I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
> I once thought that way. Not anymore.
> 
> What if there actually were many things to make it better?
> Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…
> 
> So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… 
> everyone is going to know about it?
> 
> And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?
> 
> Just wondering…
> 
> Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?
> 
> PS - some of you may remember me:
> I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of 

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Tony Budak via OSList]

The Great Transition-social justice and the core economy

Here is a theme for an Open Space in The Core Economy of family, 
community, and neighborhood. Or as techies say the Basic Input/Output 
System and also known as the System /BIOS, /the Core Economy.  These 
fundamentals do not need to be brought back, they are invisible, never 
left and a part of the current system. Recognizing and and dealing with 
the core basics of society's operating system just may improve our futures.


https://b.3cdn.net/nefoundation/82c90c4bb4d6147dc3_1fm6bxppl.pdf

Thanks for creating our tomorrows,
Tony Budak


On 3/1/2018 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
Are you interested in making it better?

I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
been wondering:
What could make me eager to go to Iceland?

Right now, I am not eager. Yet.

I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 in 
Berlin) and several OSonOS.
I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
friends (while I love making new friends!).

But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
How about you?

So I’ve been contemplating:
What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go?
What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
been there?

Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.

*

So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:

Can OST actually be made better?
I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
I once thought that way. Not anymore.

What if there actually were many things to make it better?
Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…

So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… everyone 
is going to know about it?

And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?

Just wondering…

Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?

PS - some of you may remember me:
I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I was 
pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years ago.
One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the space 
for fresh thinking was closing.
Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact approach - 
which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...

With curiosity to explore together,
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/


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Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Dear Marai,
Thank you for your invitation to imagine. Just yesterday I wrote a  blog
post

about the benefits from the power of imagination...and using meetings as a
catalyst to soar. Within participative meetings, especially when the space
is genuinely open, we benefit from the power of imagination. Imagination
fuels creativity. By nature, all people have (are) creative and creating
spirit.

In the blog post, I speak about the importance of well done planning for
the participatory meeting. No matter what kind of participatory meeting
method is used, space gets opened for imagination and creative spirit. I
think of open space as sacred space, and what is referred to as 'opening
space' invites the use of imagination to remember that spirit is all that
is.

For over 25 years I have been a purist when it comes to facilitating the
Open Space Technology meeting as the way of doing so as taught by Harrison
opens space in the best ways for people to access their awareness of their
connection with their creative spirit, benefiting from the power of
imagination to do so. I think that we have evolved beyond discussions of
Open Space Technology as it is just fine as it is.

We seem to discuss opening space and it is valuable not to confuse that
with OST, which is simply one form, albeit a great one, of opening space. I
have interest in a WOSONOS that recognizes this distinction and opens
itself to people who are interested in the space that is opened via any
participatory meeting or any other means.

Blessings to all,
Birgitt




On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Skye Hirst via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I just found this poem,  I think I wrote it, not sure,  but sounds
> relevant.
>
> Come into opening the circle of Living processes
> Where life appears mysterious and wonderful
> Where "can'ts"  do find "how-tos."
> Where the diversity of us together
> Is far more than the sum of the parts.
>
> And it is something to do with us being embodied living beings - to-gather
>
> Thank you so for your thoughtful inviting.oh heck,  opening the space
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
>> Are you interested in making it better?
>>
>> I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since
>> I’ve been wondering:
>> What could make me eager to go to Iceland?
>>
>> Right now, I am not eager. Yet.
>>
>> I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada,
>> 2010 in Berlin) and several OSonOS.
>> I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences,
>> stories.
>> Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make
>> new friends (while I love making new friends!).
>>
>> But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
>> How about you?
>>
>> So I’ve been contemplating:
>> What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to
>> go?
>> What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate
>> having been there?
>>
>> Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his
>> honest and brilliant approach to marketing.
>> Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to
>> 1 minute:
>>
>> http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233
>>
>> Stopp what is playing automatically
>> Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
>> Listen to 10:57 - 11:58
>>
>> Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.
>>
>> *
>>
>> So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:
>>
>> Can OST actually be made better?
>> I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
>> I once thought that way. Not anymore.
>>
>> What if there actually were many things to make it better?
>> Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…
>>
>> So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon…
>> everyone is going to know about it?
>>
>> And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?
>>
>> Just wondering…
>>
>> Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?
>>
>> PS - some of you may remember me:
>> I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I
>> was pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years
>> ago.
>> One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the
>> space for fresh thinking was closing.
>> Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact
>> approach - which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...
>>
>> With curiosity to explore together,
>> Marai
>>
>> https://about.me/maraikiele
>> http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Skye Hirst via OSList]

I just found this poem,  I think I wrote it, not sure,  but sounds
relevant.

Come into opening the circle of Living processes
Where life appears mysterious and wonderful
Where "can'ts"  do find "how-tos."
Where the diversity of us together
Is far more than the sum of the parts.

And it is something to do with us being embodied living beings - to-gather

Thank you so for your thoughtful inviting.oh heck,  opening the space

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
> Are you interested in making it better?
>
> I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since
> I’ve been wondering:
> What could make me eager to go to Iceland?
>
> Right now, I am not eager. Yet.
>
> I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada,
> 2010 in Berlin) and several OSonOS.
> I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences,
> stories.
> Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make
> new friends (while I love making new friends!).
>
> But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
> How about you?
>
> So I’ve been contemplating:
> What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to
> go?
> What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate
> having been there?
>
> Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his
> honest and brilliant approach to marketing.
> Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1
> minute:
>
> http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233
>
> Stopp what is playing automatically
> Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
> Listen to 10:57 - 11:58
>
> Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.
>
> *
>
> So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:
>
> Can OST actually be made better?
> I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
> I once thought that way. Not anymore.
>
> What if there actually were many things to make it better?
> Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…
>
> So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon…
> everyone is going to know about it?
>
> And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?
>
> Just wondering…
>
> Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?
>
> PS - some of you may remember me:
> I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I
> was pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years
> ago.
> One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the
> space for fresh thinking was closing.
> Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact
> approach - which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...
>
> With curiosity to explore together,
> Marai
>
> https://about.me/maraikiele
> http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/
>
>
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Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Improved Open Space! Marvelous idea!! And should you (or anybody else) succeed, 
I will be the first supporter and largest fan. I will warn you, however, that 
you will not be the first to make such an attempt. I think that might have been 
me. 

After I recovered from the two Martinis, and indeed three or four years after 
the first Open Space in Monterey California (1985), I recognized that something 
truly odd and wonderful was happening in that circle. Actually I was a slow 
learner, and it took the sharp eyes of people like Anne Stadler, Mahesh, and 
others to see what I couldn't see.

After a bit, there was something of a blinding flash of the obvious. What 
happened was not only unpredictable, but totally remarkable. At least we all 
thought it was pretty weird. And back in those days, weird was good. So how 
about More Weird? Better Weird? Or just better, and not so weird??

It was a pretty heady time. David Cooperrider was appreciating, Marv was 
searching the future, various people were in Quality Circles, and not far down 
the road was Process Re-engineering. Lots to play with, and many wonderful 
playmates -- not to exclude "Searching for Excellence" and "Future Shock!"

We did not do a lot of OS's -- at least by contemporary standards. But each was 
an experiment. Lots of folks suggested adding or changing a bit. My 
instantaneous response was "Try it." The experimentation was considerable -- 
but sometimes embarrassing... for me. For example.

A very large Canadian financial institution was doing a two day OS for the 
purposes of charting their future. 250 folks including the senior staff and 
rising stars. And -- to hedge their bet "the powers" contracted with a friend 
who did "creativity enhancement" for a day's work shop up front. They used 
drums and song...the day was gorgeous! Then we opened space. Massive, powerful, 
productive. 

When it was all over, "The Powers that Be" asked me what I thought. I had to 
bite my tongue. But the folks involved were quick to the point. To a person 
they say, "The Three days were gorgeous -- but why did we waste the first day?" 
Their words, my friend. I was embarrassed.

That has been my story ever since. Embarrassed. 

I had been taught, practiced, and been honored for all of the things that 
"modern management" was supposed to do. My training was usually informal 
(serious folks telling me how) but my positions were "recognized (check out 
whatever Who's Who)." Open Space Technology was/is the embarrassment of my 
life. Every single principle or practice that I "learned" was violated. I 
really had a hard time keeping a straight face talking to my friends/colleagues.

So to your question. If you want to learn how to "do" OST -- stay home. If you 
want some new trick of the trade -- don't go out the door.

HOWEVER -- in 30+ year of failure, I have learned one thing. Less is more. We 
already "know" how to do OS -- been doing it for 13.7 billion years. What we 
need to work on is putting to one side all that we think/taught works. Hard 
job. But possible. 

I call it "being there authentically." Martin H. might call it "Dasein." Call 
it what you like, but it is worth a trip. 

I'm going to try. Will you?


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-Original Message-
From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Marai 
Kiele via OSList
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 6:33 AM
To: ost list international
Cc: Marai Kiele
Subject: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

Dear colleagues,

Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
Are you interested in making it better?

I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
been wondering: 
What could make me eager to go to Iceland?

Right now, I am not eager. Yet. 

I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 in 
Berlin) and several OSonOS. 
I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
friends (while I love making new friends!).

But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
How about you? 

So I’ve been contemplating: 
What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go? 
What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
been there?

Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically 
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 

Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Tom Brown via OSList]

Marai,
Thanks for your comments. The impression I have had after listening to the 
little chunk of podcast and reading you note.
Is that the family of self organizing approaches would come together at 
WOSonOS. Not just Open Spacers, but folks who do lean coffee, bar camp, scrum 
and agile, and the list goes on. (I’m not sure that I know all of the different 
klans of self organizing approaches.)
And when we come together we conduct a number of experiments on ourslves about 
mixing and matching form, cross pollinating ideas form the various forms of 
self organizing gathering and working. And do a bunch of reflecting and 
considering about what OST V2.0 might be? It may be that we have found the 
perfect product in OST V1.0 But it might be that through the gathering of all 
of the groups to conduct these kinds of experiments and reflections we find 
some other options that might be good in certain situations. Or something else.
We might have a theme around building / discovering a V2.0 OST

--Tom Brown tgb...@gmail.com


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Marai Kiele via OSList 
 wrote:
Dear colleagues,

Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
Are you interested in making it better?

I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
been wondering:
What could make me eager to go to Iceland?

Right now, I am not eager. Yet.

I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 in 
Berlin) and several OSonOS.
I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
friends (while I love making new friends!).

But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
How about you?

So I’ve been contemplating:
What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go?
What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
been there?

Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.

*

So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:

Can OST actually be made better?
I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
I once thought that way. Not anymore.

What if there actually were many things to make it better?
Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…

So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… everyone 
is going to know about it?

And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?

Just wondering…

Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?

PS - some of you may remember me:
I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I was 
pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years ago.
One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the space 
for fresh thinking was closing.
Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact approach - 
which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...

With curiosity to explore together,
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/


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Re: [OSList] What is y/our biggest vision for OST ?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Marei,

I wonder what events such as a WOSonOS, OSonOS, Learning Exchange, or 
any other OST event... would look like with outcomes pre-defined.


Would it be like the vast majority of "gatherings" going on all the time 
all over the planet employing control and reigning in, curbing and 
quelling the forces of selforganisation?


..Now I listend to the 1 minute section of the podcast... and 
continue reading your message:


Yes, things do change, adapt, go out of business, reinvent themselves... 
but can things BE changed without inherent interests that require 
control of the change? And what do those interests have to do with our 
dreams?


From my point of departure the unique and revolutionary core of open 
space (and none of this was intended when Harrison came up with this 
"meeting design" after imbibing some of the martini cocktail spirits) 
manifested itself slowly as the process came up with paradox results. 
Paradox in that they did not fit the stuff we used to get. How come, for 
instance, that without a well honed preset agenda and all the other 
gimmicks usually employed, astounding stuff happened?


One of the hunches is that the force of selforganisation appears to 
relish the time and space created in OST events. Of course, we also have 
ideas about the preconditions for selforganisation to take hold. And 
from what I see, none of the various approaches employed focus on the 
force of selforganisation, in fact there is stuff called Open Space that 
makes no mention of it.


Why? Is it simply not compatible with our ideas of how stuff happens?

What keeps us from posting our issues and assumptions and dreams and 
visions and quirky details anytime anywhere and for wicked ones at 
gatherings where we have the time and space to let selforganisation go 
rampant?


Greetings from Berlin
mmp




Am 01.03.2018 um 12:33 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList:

Dear colleagues,

Are you interested in fresh thinking regarding OST?
Are you interested in making it better?

I recently participated in the WOSonOS planning meeting and ever since I’ve 
been wondering:
What could make me eager to go to Iceland?

Right now, I am not eager. Yet.

I have already been to three WOSonOS (2003 in Svenmark, 2005 in Canada, 2010 in 
Berlin) and several OSonOS.
I don’t need another OST just to share some practices, experiences, stories.
Just to see old friends (while I love meeting old friends!). Just to make new 
friends (while I love making new friends!).

But none of this evokes the desire to go to Iceland for WOSonOS from me.
How about you?

So I’ve been contemplating:
What would I need to happen there, so that I create the money and time to go?
What would need to have evolved, so that afterwards I will celebrate having 
been there?

Today I listened to a podcast by Seth Godin, who I appreciate for his honest 
and brilliant approach to marketing.
Regarding the grandest possible vision for OST I invite you to listen to 1 
minute:

http://hear.sethpodcast.com/?_branch_match_id=353283807642880233

Stopp what is playing automatically
Scroll down to the episodes and start „The Grand Opening"
Listen to 10:57 - 11:58

Please take 1,5 minutes, listen first, than continue reading. Thank you.

*

So referring to what he shared and applying it to OST:

Can OST actually be made better?
I know there is a strong perspective of every change = making it worse.
I once thought that way. Not anymore.

What if there actually were many things to make it better?
Be it in the format, the marketing, how it is integrated into business…

So that we relax and trust that… slowly and naturally… some day soon… everyone 
is going to know about it?

And what could this year's WOSonOS have to do with it?

Just wondering…

Any thoughts, feelings, further questions?

PS - some of you may remember me:
I am located in Germany, back on this list after many years of absence. I was 
pretty active in this community starting in 2003… Left several years ago.
One: I wasn’t learning as intensely as before and had a sense that the space 
for fresh thinking was closing.
Two: Other topics captured my passion, including the Genuine Contact approach - 
which integrates OST and made it better ;-) - so I believe...

With curiosity to explore together,
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
http://genuinecontact.net/members/marai-kiele/


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