Re: can't select 'Data Storage Folder' path -- "OK" button is off-screen

[pgosm]

one more try.

> Would help to temporary set the font to something smaller so it fits on 
your screen?  In android settings -> display -> font size 

Yep.  Silly to have to do that, but it works!

I can now see & click on "OK".

But when I do, I get

"Maps could not be created in specified directory'"

which is clearly a bigger issue :-/

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Re: can't select 'Data Storage Folder' path -- "OK" button is off-screen

[pgosm]

Twice now my reply's been "deleted".

What gives?

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Re: can't select 'Data Storage Folder' path -- "OK" button is off-screen

[Pere Pujal i Carabantes]

Would help to temporary set the font to something smaller so it fits on your 
screen?
In android settings -> display -> font size

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Re: can't select 'Data Storage Folder' path -- "OK" button is off-screen

[pgosm]

> maybe try to turn your device from portrait modus to landscape modus or 
viceversa?

unfortunately, makes no difference.

> Can you post an screenshot here?





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Re: can't select 'Data Storage Folder' path -- "OK" button is off-screen

['Stephan75' via Osmand]

maybe try to turn your device from portrait modus to landscape modus or 
viceversa?

Can you post an screenshot here?
Stephan

Am Samstag, 9. September 2017 18:59:06 UTC+2 schrieb pgosm:
>
> I need to change my OsmAnd+ 'Data Storage folder' location, to accommodate 
> my external sdcard's storage.
>
> In 'Global App Settings' -> 'Data Storage Folder' -> 'Map Storage', I 
> click to EDIT.
>
>
> Then, in the 'Data Storage Folder' list popup, I select, e.g., 'External 
> sotrage 2'.
>
> The following dialog, which contains text "Since Android version 4.4 
> (KitKat) you cannot ...", unfortunately exceeds the window, and is non 
> scrollable.
>
> As such, I can't see/select the "OK" button to accept the path.
>
> How do I accept the path in this case?
>

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Re: Navigation hickups for public transport busdrivers

['P Wat' via Osmand]

FWIW, here's my version of how to get OSM updated.
OSM is the map data source - eg 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/51.9263/4.4692 
You don't need a login to add a note.  As a beginner you can do this:-
Browse around or search to find your required location.
Go to the menu on the right hand side. Go down to "Layers" - Left click. 
Select "Map notes".  A whole lot of markers will appear.  These are 
people's notes, mostly useful, but some rubbish.
Have a look at some of the notes, then identify the location you need the 
edit.
In the right-hand side menu, select "Add a note" (second from bottom, ie 
above the "?").  A blue location marker appears.  Push it to where you want 
it.  Add your text in the panel on the left.
Someone will subsequently verify your comment and make the edit.
It then takes a while for the edit to be available for download to your 
device.
I'm inclined to leave my notes for anyone to comment (or ignore), then if 
no-one makes the actual edit, I do it a few weeks later.

If you now zoom in, un-tick “Map Notes” on the right, and tick “Map Data”.  
(Don’t do it till you’ve zoomed in quite a lot otherwise you’ll have to 
wait ages for all the data to load).
You’ll now see a load of blue lines, etc.  These indicate the existence of 
all the data for map features. 
If you left click on any one, you will see the associated data which 
displays on the map in your phone, etc. 
Left click any blue line/circle/etc, and you’ll see the description on the 
left. eg “Post Office”, Village Stores”, “convenience”, etc.

Lesson over! 
Paul W



On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>
> I just tested another testroute and this time things were okay... Same 
> settings, same destination (which is a one way street with only 1 driving 
> lane in it)... 
> Busstations are typically not mapped as they are forbidden for any other 
> traffic then buses and police/ambulance/etc. However, I did find a new road 
> which was opened last year which is not in OSM-maps. It does exist in 
> Google Maps already. I really don't know how I can edit the map to insert 
> the new road in there, that is a whole new chapter to me. 
>
>
>
> Op vrijdag 8 september 2017 13:22:01 UTC+2 schreef Majka:
>>
>> That's about what I hoped would happen, except for the bit of 
>> navigational problems.
>>
>> It is necessary to inspect the data for suspicious mapping. First look at 
>> the switches for navigation settings (economy route on/of, avoid...). 
>>
>> In the data, are there any suspect max speed, height/width restrictions, 
>> suspect mapping of crossings?
>> Unfortunately, the OSRM demo seems to be down, so you cannot check why 
>> does it route you this way.
>> The second point - try to reposition the marker - it MIGHT be on the 
>> opposite side of the road and Osmand tries to get you on the correct side.
>>
>> For "drive in / drive out" situation (bus station) - is the station 
>> mapped including the bus stops and the driveways to these? If the mapping 
>> is correct and detailed enough, it should be possible to define an 
>> "obligatory" stop and navigate there (you get the "you have reached the 
>> destination" message) and then start again to navigate from here for the 
>> second part. 
>> You will get a problem if the bus station is simply a big empty area next 
>> to the road - then, navigating to it in one definition and navigating back 
>> in another one might be necessary, because you "reach your destination" on 
>> the road, not in the bus station.
>>
>> It might be easier to correct the data in OSM. 
>> The only problem is that the changes won't show right away - with Osmand 
>> live, it can take  2 days to a week, the "normal" map gets generated once a 
>> month. You could create your own map from extracts, I am doing it myself 
>> but unless you want to download the huge extracts, the smaller ones are 
>> usually available only once a week (bbbike).
>>
>> IMHO, it would be still better to correct the data if the mistakes are 
>> the reason for the navigation hickups, even if the remedy isn't immediate.
>>
>>
>> Majka
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:10:47 UTC+2, Westnederland wrote:
>>>
>>> I accidently made it work more or less the way I wanted it to! 
>>>
>>> Two hickups so far:
>>> - The route Osmand calculated was different from what I intended it to 
>>> be when I was composing the route on the personal computer. That would be 
>>> because of the difference between the used map-material (Google Maps vs 
>>> Open streetsource). So adding more shaping points would take care of that. 
>>> - When I reached my destination it told me to navigate around the block 
>>> the other way around again, only to end up in the exact same spot I was 
>>> standing at that very moment. I'm not sure why it did that. 
>>>



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Re: Navigation hickups for public transport busdrivers

[Westnederland]

I just tested another testroute and this time things were okay... Same 
settings, same destination (which is a one way street with only 1 driving 
lane in it)... 
Busstations are typically not mapped as they are forbidden for any other 
traffic then buses and police/ambulance/etc. However, I did find a new road 
which was opened last year which is not in OSM-maps. It does exist in 
Google Maps already. I really don't know how I can edit the map to insert 
the new road in there, that is a whole new chapter to me. 



Op vrijdag 8 september 2017 13:22:01 UTC+2 schreef Majka:
>
> That's about what I hoped would happen, except for the bit of navigational 
> problems.
>
> It is necessary to inspect the data for suspicious mapping. First look at 
> the switches for navigation settings (economy route on/of, avoid...). 
>
> In the data, are there any suspect max speed, height/width restrictions, 
> suspect mapping of crossings?
> Unfortunately, the OSRM demo seems to be down, so you cannot check why 
> does it route you this way.
> The second point - try to reposition the marker - it MIGHT be on the 
> opposite side of the road and Osmand tries to get you on the correct side.
>
> For "drive in / drive out" situation (bus station) - is the station mapped 
> including the bus stops and the driveways to these? If the mapping is 
> correct and detailed enough, it should be possible to define an 
> "obligatory" stop and navigate there (you get the "you have reached the 
> destination" message) and then start again to navigate from here for the 
> second part. 
> You will get a problem if the bus station is simply a big empty area next 
> to the road - then, navigating to it in one definition and navigating back 
> in another one might be necessary, because you "reach your destination" on 
> the road, not in the bus station.
>
> It might be easier to correct the data in OSM. 
> The only problem is that the changes won't show right away - with Osmand 
> live, it can take  2 days to a week, the "normal" map gets generated once a 
> month. You could create your own map from extracts, I am doing it myself 
> but unless you want to download the huge extracts, the smaller ones are 
> usually available only once a week (bbbike).
>
> IMHO, it would be still better to correct the data if the mistakes are the 
> reason for the navigation hickups, even if the remedy isn't immediate.
>
>
> Majka
>
>
> On Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:10:47 UTC+2, Westnederland wrote:
>>
>> I accidently made it work more or less the way I wanted it to! 
>>
>> Two hickups so far:
>> - The route Osmand calculated was different from what I intended it to be 
>> when I was composing the route on the personal computer. That would be 
>> because of the difference between the used map-material (Google Maps vs 
>> Open streetsource). So adding more shaping points would take care of that. 
>> - When I reached my destination it told me to navigate around the block 
>> the other way around again, only to end up in the exact same spot I was 
>> standing at that very moment. I'm not sure why it did that. 
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: Navigation hickups for public transport busdrivers

[Westnederland]

Hope my post a minute ago is of assistance to you! Have a great week in the 
Netherlands... although it is going to rain all week...


Op vrijdag 8 september 2017 11:37:11 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>
> Thank you.  You're obviously "On a Roll" and know what you're doing.  It 
> will be interesting to hear how you get on.
> Paul W
> (PS - Cycling and sailing in Netherlands next week, I will look on 
> "Westnederland" with respect!)
>
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 10:20:55 AM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>>
>> Well, that is the tricky part. I never owned a Garmin to begin with so I 
>> was just exploring things and stumbled across my desired solution in the 
>> proces. 
>> How I currently do it involves creating a GPX preferrably version 1.1. 
>> You can download Garmin BaseCamp even if you don't own a Garmin, and 
>> edit/save the file in there. It will generate the shaping points. However, 
>> I am still testing if there is a shorter way to do it. That would make it a 
>> whole lot easier. 
>>
>>
>> Op vrijdag 8 september 2017 09:28:21 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>>>
>>> How can one create shaping points without Garmin?  (My Garmins were 
>>> scrapped years back) 
>>> PW
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:57:45 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:

 Shaping points are coded into the GPX file. They are basically the same 
 as waypoints but instead of the waypoint code they are coded as 
 shapingpoint (into the GPX-source code that is). The only difference is, a 
 waypoint will keep insisting on visiting even though you are on a detour 
 where the shaping point will just let it be and carry on with the rest of 
 the route. 
 Mind you, shaping points and their GPX-sourcecoding are 'invented' by 
 Garmin so most devices which are not Garmin are likely to ignore the 
 shaping point-coding. I tested it on Osmand and it so happens Osmand does 
 read this Garmin-coding!  


 Op donderdag 7 september 2017 20:02:47 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>
> Hi. That sounds good.  Could you just clarify, what are "shaping 
> points"?  Thanks Paul W
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:10:47 PM UTC+1, Westnederland 
> wrote:
>>
>> I accidently made it work more or less the way I wanted it to! 
>>
>> Turns out the waypoints in GPX should be saved as shaping points. I 
>> did a quick testdrive around the block and this is what happened:
>> - Turn by turn voice-navigation with streetnames and which lanes to 
>> follow. So I can actually leave the phone in my pocket and put in a 
>> earpiece to listen to the directions. 
>> - If I run into an unexpected obstacle I navigate myself around it, 
>> Osmand will pick up the remaining part of the route and recalculate it 
>> from 
>> my current position without insisting to visit a missed waypoint. 
>> - It did this without telling me I was approaching and reaching a 
>> waypoint all the time. 
>> Ofcourse this is exactly what I wanted it to do! 
>>
>> Two hickups so far:
>> - The route Osmand calculated was different from what I intended it 
>> to be when I was composing the route on the personal computer. That 
>> would 
>> be because of the difference between the used map-material (Google Maps 
>> vs 
>> Open streetsource). So adding more shaping points would take care of 
>> that. 
>> - When I reached my destination it told me to navigate around the 
>> block the other way around again, only to end up in the exact same spot 
>> I 
>> was standing at that very moment. I'm not sure why it did that. 
>>
>> Now for the next test which I need to conduct is find out what Osmand 
>> does when busroute does the same strip of street twice within the same 
>> route (for instance, the first time to reach a busstation, the second 
>> time 
>> leaving the busstation and thus ending up in the same street I drove 
>> through a couple of minutes earlier only to go another way the second 
>> time). If this should cause problems I think I have to cut up the route 
>> in 
>> 2 different files. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Op zondag 3 september 2017 14:44:22 UTC+2 schreef Westnederland:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We are a group of public transport busdrivers who are curious if it 
>>> is possible to get OsmAnd to work with our specific needs. 
>>>
>>> We drive multiple different routes during a shift as part of a total 
>>> of 30+ different routes we can be dispatched to. So we need to memorize 
>>> al 
>>> of these routes. If there is a detour due to a event or roadworks, we 
>>> also 
>>> need to memorize that. We thought it could be usefull to use OsmAnd in 
>>> areas we are not familair with, like new busroutes we need to memorize 
>>> or a 
>>> diversion which leads us into unknown territory. We want to do this 

Re: Navigation hickups for public transport busdrivers

[Westnederland]

Well, I tested a couple of other things, so far so good. I now know I can 
skip the part which involves editing the GPX in BaseCamp. 

This is the current status:
1) I first produce a GPX by making a new route in myrouteapp.com online 
2) I save this GPX as GPX 1.1 (this step is important, don't save it as GPX 
1.0)
3) I then open the GPX file on my computer using notepad (windows computer, 
I'm sure Apple will have something similair). I am now looking at the 
sourcefile. 
4) In the GPX sourcefile I delete everything within the  and 
 tags, including the  and  tags themselves. 
5) Save this file and import this into Osmand. 

If you open this file in Osmand it will navigatie the route and when you 
are missing a waypoint because of a detour it will first try to bring you 
back to that missed waypoint anyway, but if you persist it will eventually 
forget about the missed waypoint and carry on with the rest of the 
remaining route. 

That's it so far! 

The next thing is to actually find a online routeplanner which uses 
OSM-maps instead of Google Maps *AND* can save the GPX file in version 1.1 
instead of version 1.0.

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