Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-03-20 Thread cmnahrwold


Sorry Ron but the great debate continue

There is a budding branch of research that does support the use of 
impairment based OT to improve occupational outcomes post stroke. This 
is a very short list, due to time constraints. I can offer more 
research to you if you wantme to. I really enjoy research so I can 
probably dig up tons of info if anyone esle is interested.


1) AOTA said this regarding Constraint Induced movement therapy in 
their evidenced based bytes after an extensive review of the research:


“CIT, then, is strongly effective in improving behavioral outcomes. Its 
effectiveness on impairments of dexterity, coordination, and strength 
are most pronounced, whereas its effectiveness on ADL and participation 
in greater amounts of activity is less. The latter finding needs 
further study using reliable, objective, and more sensitive measuring 
instruments. CIT does not appear to be contraindicated for patients who 
are willing to enter into a behavioral contract to carry out the 
stringent requirements of this treatment.” 
(http://aota.org/Educate/Research/EB/Stroke/SFQ/37823.aspx)


***Sure the research states that ADL and participation was a less 
significant change compared to improvements found when measuring the 
impairments but non the less it was a significant change. This is at 
least a start in the research.


2) CITATION: Jongbloed, L., Stacey, S.,  Brighton, C. (1989). Stroke 
rehabilitation: Sensor
imotor 
integrative treatment versus functional treatment. American 
Journal of Occupational Therapy, 43, 391-397


RESEARCH QUESTION
How does the effectiveness of two OT approaches to treatment of stroke 
patients-the functional and sensorimotor integrative approaches-differ?


DESIGN
Randomized controlled trial (RCT)
Subjects were randomly assigned to one of two groups: Sensorimotor 
Integrative or Functional


OUTCOME MEASURES
(R = Reliability established; V = Validity established)
Barthel Index - R, V
Meal Preperation - Reliability and validity not established
Eight Sensorimotor integration tests - R, V

INTERVENTION DESCRIPTION
Group 1: Functional Approach: Emphasizes the practice of tasks, usually 
activities of daily living (ADL). The emphasis is on treatment of the 
symptom rather than on the cause of the dysfunction. Two methods are 
used: compensation and adaptation.
Group 2: Sensorimotor Integrative Approach: Emphasizes treating the 
cause of the dysfunction rather than compensating for, or adapting to, 
the problem. The principles that guided treatment were: (a) provide 
planned and controlled sensory input; (b) elicit an adaptive response; 
(c) enhance organization of brain mechanisms; and (d) facilitate the 
developmental sequence.


INTERVENTION DESCRIPTION
Group 1: Functional Approach: Emphasizes the practice of tasks, usually 
activities of daily living (ADL). The emphasis is on treatment of the 
symptom rather than on the cause of the dysfunction. Two m
ethods 
are used: compensation and adaptation.
Group 2: Sensorimotor Integrative Approach: Emphasizes treating the 
cause of the dysfunction rather than compensating for, or adapting to, 
the problem. The principles that guided treatment were: (a) provide 
planned and controlled sensory input; (b) elicit an adaptive response; 
(c) enhance organization of brain mechanisms; and (d) facilitate the 
developmental sequence


AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS
The authors concluded that if there are any differences between 
functional treatment and sensorimotor integrative treatment they are 
small. The findings suggest that occupational therapists can consider 
using either approach in planning treatment for CVA patients.






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Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-03-19 Thread Ron Carson
Chris  and  others, What follows is a long reply to a message that Chris
N. wrote awhile back. I generally don't like the format that I used, but
I don't want to take the time to make a more formal looking message.

Thanks, Ron

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cac Seems like in your example of occupation that the UE is left out of the 
cac equation, although through some improvement it can lead to improvements 
cac in the patient's personal goals of occupation.

Then  I  guess  a  PT  improving UE function is also helping the patient
engage  in  occupation,  right?  Also,  there  is nothing supporting the
concept  that  improving  the  UE can lead to improvement in occupation.
Your  statement  is  strictly hypothetical. Improving UE function may or
may not lead to improved occupation. And if it doesn't then there's been
no improvement in occupation, so what has been done?

cac Just  because  there is no function in the flaccid UE does not mean
cac there  will  not  be  any  improvement  6  months  down  the  road,
cac especially  with  intentional focus on the issue.

Any goal that takes 6 months is not a reasonable goal.

cac I can make the UE
cac treatment focus on occupation just like you state, but it will take
cac much  longer.  Instead  of  writing patient will improve AROM by 30
cac degrees  in  order  to  assist with self feeding I can simply write
cac patient  will  reach  for  a  glass  of  water from table using his
cac involved  arm.

Reaching  for  a  glass  of  water is not occupation. You are contriving
occupation to fit your treatment agenda.

cac The  problem is it might take 6 months to a year to
cac achieve  this  occupationally  written goal, but it only might take
cac 2-3  months  to show 30 degrees of progress if the patient has good
cac rehab  potential  in  arm  function.

I consider rehab of arm function to be PT, regardless if it's a PT or OT
doing  the  rehab.  I have a patient who has spent countless hours doing
mindless  exercises  on  his  flaccid  UE.  It hasn't helped ANY and his
previous  OT  wasted a lot of valuable time acting like a PT and working
on  his  arm.  In my opinion, the PT should have addressed the mans' arm
and  the  OT  should  have  been  working  on improving his occupational
performance.

cac The  structure  of  insurance
cac re-imbursement  is  set up on showing immediate progress, otherwise
cac we  are  told  to  DC  a patient or set more achievable goals.

There  is  nothing  in Medicare guidelines requiring immediate progress.
Progress is REQUIRED, and should be, but there is no specific requirement
that it be immediate. Goals must be achievable in a reasonable period of
time, but that time is not spelled out.

cac Even  though  we as neuro OTs might wright goals that focus on body
cac impairments,   it  does  not  mean  that  we  are  not  looking  at
cac occupation.

Focusing  on  body  impairment  does  not  exclude occupation, it simply
places  it  in  hind-sight.  And  honestly,  PT  does the same thing. Of
course, they call it function, not occupation.

cac It only means that we want to continue to work with the
cac patient  that  has  the  potential  of using their arm in occuation
cac again,   but   unfortunately   we  need  to  be  able  to  document
cac improvements  relatively  quickly  for  insurance to foot the bill.

If  improvement  in  arm function yields improvement in occupation, then
you  should  be able to document occupational gains.

cac This   sytem  of  billing  does  not  match  up  with  the  natural
cac progression  of  improvement  in a patient's arm after a stroke.The
cac road  to  recovery for a stroke patient's flaccid arm is a long and
cac painful  one,  in  which  sometimes  the  road  does  not lead to a
cac positive  outcome.  How  can  we  justify seeing them for an entire
cac year,  and  then  finally  one day we state that the patient is not
cac appropriate  for OT any longer.

And  this  is  why  we need to focus on occupation. If occupation is the
goal  then  it is 100% clear when the goal has been achieved. Of course,
occupational goals are often not achieved but then it's an issue of lack
of progress.

cac There  needs  to  be  incremental steps along the way to occupation
cac showing that the patient is making progress towards that goals that
cac we  predicted  would eventually be achievable.

Yes,  ALL therapy improvement is incremental. A PT doing range of motion
on rotator cuff repairs yields incrmental changes over time. An OT doing
occupational therapy also yield incremental chnages over time.

cac And  let  me  tell  you,  when  that area of occupatiion is finally
cac achieved after such time and effort from the therapist and patient,
cac there is not greater feeling in OT. I wish we could see them

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-21 Thread Ron Carson
Chris,  after  thinking  about your question, I conclude that the best I
can offer is a hypothetical situation. So, here goes

Take  my  patient  today.  A  CVA  patient.  He has a flaccid UE with no
functional  use.  He  requires assist for sit/stand and ambulates with a
quad cane with supervision.

IF   the   goal   is  improving  the  occupation  of  self-care  to  the
supervision/setup level, treatment might look like this:

Therapeutic   activity   to   include:  sit/stand  and  transfer
training.  Balance  training  without  UE support. Hemi dressing
techniques training

IF the goal is improving UE ROM to increase ability to perform self-care
with supervision/setup, the treatment might look like this:

Therapeutic  exercise  to the affected UE. Self-care training in
hemi-dressing.

=

For the record, the patient verbalized mixed goals. Of course he said he
wants  to  get his arm working but he also wants to reduce the strain on
his  wife by increasing his ability to sit/stand without assistance from
her.

Look  forward to feedback and comments from you and EVERYONE else! In my
opinion,  the issues and topics being discussed are too important to not
be involved! smile

Ron

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cac Ron,
cac Great outline.? Can you next explain how the treatment will differ?

cac Chris


cac -Original Message-
cac From: Ron Carson rdcar...@otnow.com
cac To: OTlist@OTnow.com
cac Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 7:52 am
cac Subject: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter



cac Hello All:

cac What  follows  are  thoughts and opinion about using occupation as *THE*
cac goal for OT treatment.

cac Here's is the premise for my arguments:

cac (1)  When occupation is *THE* goal, outcome statements may be written in
cac concise occupation-based outcomes. For example:

cac Patient  will  safely  and independently ambulate to/from toilet
cac with RW and perform all hygiene without assistive equipment.

cac Patient  will  transfer  from  w/c  to  bed  using  slide  board
cac transfers

cac Patient will dress self using adaptive equipment as necessary

cac (2)  Conversely,  when  occupation  is  not  *THE* goal, outcomes may be
cac written  so  that  occupation  is  a  desired  outcome  but  is based on
cac improving underlying impairment(s). For example:

cac Patient  will increase UE elbow ROM to 115 degree active flexion
cac to all for donning/doffing of shirt

cac Patient  will  increase standing endurance/balance to allow them
cac to safely and independently carry out toileting hygiene.

cac 

cac Some  argue there is little difference in the above approaches. However,
cac I believe these approaches frame patient problems very differently. This
cac is important because how we frame a problem drives our treatment.

cac The  first example clearly identifies that occupation is the goal. There
cac is  no  expressed  concern  for underlying factors impairing occupation.
cac However,  and  this  if often overlooked, it is IMPLIED that all factors
cac impairing  the  goal  will be treated within the therapist's abilities.
cac This is true because occupation includes the following factors:

cac Physical, emotional, mental environmental, behavioral, social

cac Thus,  as  OT's  and  within  our  scope  of  practice, occupation-based
cac outcomes address all factors impairing the desire occupations.

cac While  the  second  example  does include occupation as an outcome, only
cac factors addressed in the goals are included for treatment. This severely
cac limits  treatment  and 
cac  in  my  opinion  indicates  that  remediation of
cac underlying  impairments  is  the  real  goal. The implication is that if
cac underlying impairments are remediated, occupation will improve. However,
cac is  inconsistent  with  OT theory because occupation is ALWAYS more than
cac physical.  In  my  opinion,  the  second  example is much more like a PT
cac rather than an OT goal!

cac In  closing,  writing occupation-based goals is important for us and for
cac the patient. These goals allow us to focus on occupation's many elements
cac and complexity to best enable our patients.

cac Thanks,

cac Ron

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Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-21 Thread cmnahrwold
Seems like in your example of occupation that the UE is left out of the 
equation, although through some improvement it can lead to improvements 
in the patient's personal goals of occupation.  Just because there is 
no function in the flaccid UE does not mean there will not be any 
improvement 6 months down the road, especially with intentional focus 
on the issue.  I can make the UE treatment focus on occupation just 
like you state, but it will take much longer.  Instead of writing 
patient will improve AROM by 30 degrees in order to assist with self 
feeding I can simply write patient will reach for a glass of water from 
table using his involved arm.  The problem is it might take 6 months to 
a year to achieve this occupationally written goal, but it only might 
take 2-3 months to show 30 degrees of progress if the patient has good 
rehab potential in arm function.  The structure of insurance 
re-imbursement is set up on showing immediate progress, otherwise we 
are told to DC a patient or set more achievable goals.  Even though we 
as neuro OTs might wright goals that focus on body impairments, it does 
not mean that we are not looking at occupation.  It only means that we 
want to continue to work with the patient that has the potential of 
using their arm in occuation again, but unfortunately we need to be 
able to document improvements relatively quickly for insurance to foot 
the bill. This sytem of billing does not match up with the natural 
progression of improvement in a patient's arm after a stroke.The road 
to recovery for a stroke patient's flaccid arm is a long and painful 
one, in which sometimes the road does not lead to a positive outcome. 
How can we justify seeing them for an entire year, and then finally one 
day we state that the patient is not appropriate for OT any longer.  
There needs to be incremental steps along the way to occupation showing 
that the patient is making progress towards that goals that we 
predicted would eventually be achievable.  And let me tell you, when 
that area of occupatiion is finally achieved after such time and effort 
from the therapist and patient, there is not greater feeling in OT. I 
wish we could see them for an entire year, following one occuaptionally 
based goal and not having to worry about the measurements of tone, 
strength, ROM, coordination, but with the system that we bill under 
now, we have to follow the rules.


Your examples of training in sit to stands, balance retraining, 
functional transfers are on the mark of occupation.  However these 
areas of impairment are often easier to demonstrate improvements in 
occupation simply showing the assist level of improvement (patient 
inproved from a total assist to a supervision when toileting). These 
areas of occupation are more certainly easier to treat in the timeframe 
we are given to show progress.  The area of impairment involving the 
flaccid UE is much more complex and difficult to show immediate 
progress.  It is impossible to write goals that focus on occupation 
because it would be impossilbe to show incremental progress on the 
actual occupation when the patient wants to incorporate he flaccid arm 
into occuaption again.  If the patient is a total assistance with 
reaching for a glass of water using the hemi arm, it would be 
impossible to demonstrate in a months time that the patient is at a 
maximal assistance, moderate, or minimal assistance for the task while 
using the hemi arm.  The assist levels do not quantify the small 
incremental improvement.  I can certainly document that the patient is 
using their arm more duing occupation through the use of activity 
journals, or subjective surveys that the patient fills out based on 
their perceptions, but it is near impossible to visually recognize that 
a patient improved from a total assistance to a maximal assist with the 
reaching task, because of the limitations of the assist level scales.  
It is much more quantifiable to use standardized scales that focus on 
body impairments like the dynamomenter, goniometer, Motor Assessement 
scales, Wolf Activity Scales, Modified Ashworth Scale, and the like to 
show these small incremental scales of progress required for changes in 
the patient's occupational goals.


Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR.

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Subject: Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

Chris,  after  thinking  about your question, I conclude that the best I
can offer is a hypothetical situation. So, here goes

Take  my  patient  today.  A  CVA  patient.  He has a flaccid UE with no
functional  use.  He  requires assist for sit/stand and ambulates with a
quad cane with supervision.

IF   the   goal   is  improving  the  occupation  of  self-care  to  the
supervision/setup level, treatment might look like this:

   Therapeutic   activity   to   include:  sit/stand

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-21 Thread RoxanneDisla
I totally agree with you Chris. Very well said!


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[OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-16 Thread Ron Carson
Hello All:

What  follows  are  thoughts and opinion about using occupation as *THE*
goal for OT treatment.

Here's is the premise for my arguments:

(1)  When occupation is *THE* goal, outcome statements may be written in
concise occupation-based outcomes. For example:

Patient  will  safely  and independently ambulate to/from toilet
with RW and perform all hygiene without assistive equipment.

Patient  will  transfer  from  w/c  to  bed  using  slide  board
transfers

Patient will dress self using adaptive equipment as necessary

(2)  Conversely,  when  occupation  is  not  *THE* goal, outcomes may be
written  so  that  occupation  is  a  desired  outcome  but  is based on
improving underlying impairment(s). For example:

Patient  will increase UE elbow ROM to 115 degree active flexion
to all for donning/doffing of shirt

Patient  will  increase standing endurance/balance to allow them
to safely and independently carry out toileting hygiene.



Some  argue there is little difference in the above approaches. However,
I believe these approaches frame patient problems very differently. This
is important because how we frame a problem drives our treatment.

The  first example clearly identifies that occupation is the goal. There
is  no  expressed  concern  for underlying factors impairing occupation.
However,  and  this  if often overlooked, it is IMPLIED that all factors
impairing  the  goal  will be treated within the therapist's abilities.
This is true because occupation includes the following factors:

Physical, emotional, mental environmental, behavioral, social

Thus,  as  OT's  and  within  our  scope  of  practice, occupation-based
outcomes address all factors impairing the desire occupations.

While  the  second  example  does include occupation as an outcome, only
factors addressed in the goals are included for treatment. This severely
limits  treatment  and  in  my  opinion  indicates  that  remediation of
underlying  impairments  is  the  real  goal. The implication is that if
underlying impairments are remediated, occupation will improve. However,
is  inconsistent  with  OT theory because occupation is ALWAYS more than
physical.  In  my  opinion,  the  second  example is much more like a PT
rather than an OT goal!

In  closing,  writing occupation-based goals is important for us and for
the patient. These goals allow us to focus on occupation's many elements
and complexity to best enable our patients.

Thanks,

Ron

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Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-16 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron,
Great outline.? Can you next explain how the treatment will differ?

Chris


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Subject: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter



Hello All:

What  follows  are  thoughts and opinion about using occupation as *THE*
goal for OT treatment.

Here's is the premise for my arguments:

(1)  When occupation is *THE* goal, outcome statements may be written in
concise occupation-based outcomes. For example:

Patient  will  safely  and independently ambulate to/from toilet
with RW and perform all hygiene without assistive equipment.

Patient  will  transfer  from  w/c  to  bed  using  slide  board
transfers

Patient will dress self using adaptive equipment as necessary

(2)  Conversely,  when  occupation  is  not  *THE* goal, outcomes may be
written  so  that  occupation  is  a  desired  outcome  but  is based on
improving underlying impairment(s). For example:

Patient  will increase UE elbow ROM to 115 degree active flexion
to all for donning/doffing of shirt

Patient  will  increase standing endurance/balance to allow them
to safely and independently carry out toileting hygiene.



Some  argue there is little difference in the above approaches. However,
I believe these approaches frame patient problems very differently. This
is important because how we frame a problem drives our treatment.

The  first example clearly identifies that occupation is the goal. There
is  no  expressed  concern  for underlying factors impairing occupation.
However,  and  this  if often overlooked, it is IMPLIED that all factors
impairing  the  goal  will be treated within the therapist's abilities.
This is true because occupation includes the following factors:

Physical, emotional, mental environmental, behavioral, social

Thus,  as  OT's  and  within  our  scope  of  practice, occupation-based
outcomes address all factors impairing the desire occupations.

While  the  second  example  does include occupation as an outcome, only
factors addressed in the goals are included for treatment. This severely
limits  treatment  and 
 in  my  opinion  indicates  that  remediation of
underlying  impairments  is  the  real  goal. The implication is that if
underlying impairments are remediated, occupation will improve. However,
is  inconsistent  with  OT theory because occupation is ALWAYS more than
physical.  In  my  opinion,  the  second  example is much more like a PT
rather than an OT goal!

In  closing,  writing occupation-based goals is important for us and for
the patient. These goals allow us to focus on occupation's many elements
and complexity to best enable our patients.

Thanks,

Ron

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Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-16 Thread Miranda Hayek

I believe the first set of goals (occupational based) are the best way to go. 
This is how I write my goals, as it does leave room for the therapist to 
address several areas of impairment/need. It is typically the case that more 
than one factor is limiting the patient from being independent with their i.e. 
toileting, dressing, etc. 


~ Miranda ~ 


 

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 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:28:10 -0500
 From: cmnahrw...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter
 
 Ron,
 Great outline.? Can you next explain how the treatment will differ?
 
 Chris
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Carson rdcar...@otnow.com
 To: OTlist@OTnow.com
 Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 7:52 am
 Subject: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter
 
 
 
 Hello All:
 
 What follows are thoughts and opinion about using occupation as *THE*
 goal for OT treatment.
 
 Here's is the premise for my arguments:
 
 (1) When occupation is *THE* goal, outcome statements may be written in
 concise occupation-based outcomes. For example:
 
 Patient will safely and independently ambulate to/from toilet
 with RW and perform all hygiene without assistive equipment.
 
 Patient will transfer from w/c to bed using slide board
 transfers
 
 Patient will dress self using adaptive equipment as necessary
 
 (2) Conversely, when occupation is not *THE* goal, outcomes may be
 written so that occupation is a desired outcome but is based on
 improving underlying impairment(s). For example:
 
 Patient will increase UE elbow ROM to 115 degree active flexion
 to all for donning/doffing of shirt
 
 Patient will increase standing endurance/balance to allow them
 to safely and independently carry out toileting hygiene.
 
 
 
 Some argue there is little difference in the above approaches. However,
 I believe these approaches frame patient problems very differently. This
 is important because how we frame a problem drives our treatment.
 
 The first example clearly identifies that occupation is the goal. There
 is no expressed concern for underlying factors impairing occupation.
 However, and this if often overlooked, it is IMPLIED that all factors
 impairing the goal will be treated within the therapist's abilities.
 This is true because occupation includes the following factors:
 
 Physical, emotional, mental environmental, behavioral, social
 
 Thus, as OT's and within our scope of practice, occupation-based
 outcomes address all factors impairing the desire occupations.
 
 While the second example does include occupation as an outcome, only
 factors addressed in the goals are included for treatment. This severely
 limits treatment and 
 in my opinion indicates that remediation of
 underlying impairments is the real goal. The implication is that if
 underlying impairments are remediated, occupation will improve. However,
 is inconsistent with OT theory because occupation is ALWAYS more than
 physical. In my opinion, the second example is much more like a PT
 rather than an OT goal!
 
 In closing, writing occupation-based goals is important for us and for
 the patient. These goals allow us to focus on occupation's many elements
 and complexity to best enable our patients.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ron
 
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