RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

[Bill McCarthy]

Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of
the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be upgradable to
win8"

Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump
forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of
speculation over the same thing:
http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo

Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would
upgrade.

And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a
currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be
done is clearly wrong.

But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people
knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot
of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd
expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's
getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you
can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in
beta.

The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has
begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile
just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.  Just how high do
they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no wonder that although WP is
really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet
even further over the coming months).  

It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)



|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
|Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|nov 2011
|http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
|wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-
|d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a
|
|windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before
|
|talking to people on twitter
|
|etc,
|
|the net is a big place
|
|I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites
|
|but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a
year ago
|but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking
the
|arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it
|
|
|
|
|On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy 
wrote:
|> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some
|> references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top
|> listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none
|> that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall
|> seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said
|> there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable.
|>
|> |-Original Message-
|> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
|> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
|> |To: ozDotNet
|> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|> |
|> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what
|> |podcast,
|> etc
|> |
|> |I was not talking about the smart phone market
|> |
|> |Sent from my Windows Phone
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |From: mike smith
|> |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
|> |To: ozDotNet
|> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|> |
|> |
|> |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie 
|> |wrote:
|> |
|> |
|> |       Well, this is not a compitition
|> |
|> |
|> |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |       and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
|> impression
|> |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7
|> |devices
|> to
|> |wp8,
|> |       I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to
|> |the one
|> podcast i
|> |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
|> |debating
|> it as far
|> |back as mid to end of 2011
|> |
|> |       I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you
|> | would
|> be
|> |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
|> |
|> |
|> |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get
|> |some
|> form of
|> |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a
|> |new release.
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |       If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8
|> | OS, I
|> have
|> |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS
|> |wanted
|> to
|> |basically run win8 on a phone...
|> |       I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset
|> |churn
|> than
|> |the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
|> |to
|> gain and
|> |everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
|> |
|> |       b

Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012

[mike smith]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you have a dual-CPU, hex-core, machine, and all 12 cores are being used
> by SQL Server, then you have to buy 12 per-core licenses (previously 2 CPU
> licences).
>
> **
>

It's reasonable.  When that model was set up, who would have forecast 6+
core CPU's? :)


>  **
>
> If you run SQL Server in a VM, and you have 4 virtual cores (e.g. 4 single
> core virtual CPUs, or 2 dual core virtual CPUs), then you need to buy 4
> core licences.
>
> ** **
>
> Or, if you have a lot of VMs, you licence all the physical cores on the
> host using Enterprise Edition, and then you can run unlimited VMs.
>

And likely that's the most economical way.  Does the model run that way for
all server components with Enterprise, including the OS?


> 
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 June 2012 1:19 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012
>
> ** **
>
> So on a dual 6 core system that is 12 or 2?  I miss seeing what gets
> counted. Then there's that option for running 2 virtual cpus per real cpu.
>  Argh!
>
> ** **
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> Note that licensing changes for Standard and Enterprise editions to
> per-core rather than per-CPU.
>
>  
>
> I haven’t yet seen a comparison of our old per-CPU prices for SQL Server
> 2008/R2 vs the new per-core prices for 2012. If the new per-core prices are
> around 1/4 to 1/6 of the price of the old per-CPU, then I’ll be OK. But I’m
> not holding my breath.
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:37 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* [OT] SQL Server 2012
>
>  
>
> I received a box from Singapore today with a single MSDN disc inside, the
> June 2012 disc with SQL Server 2012. I’m creating a test virtual Win2008R2
> machine to install it on and see what’s different or exciting. I plan to
> import some existing databases and sanity check that my apps work okay with
> it. Has anyone got any feelings for SQL 2012 so far? Does it have anything
> that might thrill the regular programmer? (as opposed to thrilling someone
> building  intergalactic networks with the more obscure features) -- Greg**
> **
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
> ** **
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

[.net noobie]

nov 2011
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a

windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before

talking to people on twitter

etc,

the net is a big place

I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites

but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago
but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was
thinking the arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it




On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy  wrote:
> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references
> as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best
> could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest
> phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in
> their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be
> upgradable.
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
> |To: ozDotNet
> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
> |
> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast,
> etc
> |
> |I was not talking about the smart phone market
> |
> |Sent from my Windows Phone
> |
> |
> |
> |From: mike smith
> |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
> |To: ozDotNet
> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
> |
> |
> |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie 
> |wrote:
> |
> |
> |       Well, this is not a compitition
> |
> |
> |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
> |
> |
> |
> |       and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
> impression
> |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
> to
> |wp8,
> |       I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
> podcast i
> |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
> it as far
> |back as mid to end of 2011
> |
> |       I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would
> be
> |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
> |
> |
> |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
> form of
> |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new
> |release.
> |
> |
> |
> |       If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I
> have
> |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted
> to
> |basically run win8 on a phone...
> |       I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
> than
> |the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to
> gain and
> |everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
> |
> |       but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i
> maybe
> |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
> |
> |       Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you
> just
> |got a new phone,
> |       I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either,
> but I
> |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
> and that
> |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do,
> and
> |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got an answer for
> that,
> |Microsoft dudes?
> |
> |
> |
> |       On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith  wrote:
> |
> |
> |               A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for
> those
> |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste
> away for
> |them, somewhat.
> |
> |               Mike
> |
> |
> |               On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie
> | wrote:
> |
> |
> |                       I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they
> been
> |saying it for
> |                       months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people
> claimig
> |that it would
> |                       be upgradable
> |
> |                       but I personally did not expect you would be able to
> |upgrade, becuase
> |                       I was thinking the the phone was also going to try
> and
> |use the same
> |                       core as win8, so the phone would be different and
> |current phones most
> |                       likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but
> i did
> |expect if
> |                       the phone was more like "windows" that they would be
> |able to still run
> |                       the old apps
> |
> |                       but if you google you will see people saying will
> not be
> |upgradable
> |                 

RE: [OT] SQL Server 2012

[Ken Schaefer]

If you have a dual-CPU, hex-core, machine, and all 12 cores are being used by 
SQL Server, then you have to buy 12 per-core licenses (previously 2 CPU 
licences).

 

If you run SQL Server in a VM, and you have 4 virtual cores (e.g. 4 single core 
virtual CPUs, or 2 dual core virtual CPUs), then you need to buy 4 core 
licences.

 

Or, if you have a lot of VMs, you licence all the physical cores on the host 
using Enterprise Edition, and then you can run unlimited VMs.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 1:19 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012

 

So on a dual 6 core system that is 12 or 2?  I miss seeing what gets counted. 
Then there's that option for running 2 virtual cpus per real cpu.  Argh!

 

Mike

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

Note that licensing changes for Standard and Enterprise editions to per-core 
rather than per-CPU.

 

I haven’t yet seen a comparison of our old per-CPU prices for SQL Server 
2008/R2 vs the new per-core prices for 2012. If the new per-core prices are 
around 1/4 to 1/6 of the price of the old per-CPU, then I’ll be OK. But I’m not 
holding my breath.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:37 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: [OT] SQL Server 2012

 

I received a box from Singapore today with a single MSDN disc inside, the June 
2012 disc with SQL Server 2012. I’m creating a test virtual Win2008R2 machine 
to install it on and see what’s different or exciting. I plan to import some 
existing databases and sanity check that my apps work okay with it. Has anyone 
got any feelings for SQL 2012 so far? Does it have anything that might thrill 
the regular programmer? (as opposed to thrilling someone building  
intergalactic networks with the more obscure features) -- Greg





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

 

Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012

[mike smith]

Yes, I would believe it.  I've run into something similar when attempting
to run setup from a network UNC path.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Don’t worry about the security problems. Hyper-V had mapped my DVD drive
> to some other folder/machine that I don’t recognise, and it had a setup.exe
> file in it which I mistook for the SQL 2012 setup file. When I made the
> VM’s DVD drive the same letter as the host machine’s letter (and rebooted)
> it came good and I can see the “real” DVD drive now. You can’t make this
> shit up, it’s beyond human understanding -- Greg
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012

[mike smith]

So on a dual 6 core system that is 12 or 2?  I miss seeing what gets
counted. Then there's that option for running 2 virtual cpus per real cpu.
 Argh!

Mike

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> Note that licensing changes for Standard and Enterprise editions to
> per-core rather than per-CPU.
>
> ** **
>
> I haven’t yet seen a comparison of our old per-CPU prices for SQL Server
> 2008/R2 vs the new per-core prices for 2012. If the new per-core prices are
> around 1/4 to 1/6 of the price of the old per-CPU, then I’ll be OK. But I’m
> not holding my breath.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:37 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* [OT] SQL Server 2012
>
> ** **
>
> I received a box from Singapore today with a single MSDN disc inside, the
> June 2012 disc with SQL Server 2012. I’m creating a test virtual Win2008R2
> machine to install it on and see what’s different or exciting. I plan to
> import some existing databases and sanity check that my apps work okay with
> it. Has anyone got any feelings for SQL 2012 so far? Does it have anything
> that might thrill the regular programmer? (as opposed to thrilling someone
> building  intergalactic networks with the more obscure features) -- Greg**
> **
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

[Bill McCarthy]

That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references
as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best
could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest
phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in
their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be
upgradable.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
|Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast,
etc
|
|I was not talking about the smart phone market
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: mike smith
|Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie 
|wrote:
|
|
|   Well, this is not a compitition
|
|
|Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
|
|
|
|   and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
impression
|quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
to
|wp8,
|   I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
podcast i
|mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
it as far
|back as mid to end of 2011
|
|   I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would
be
|able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
|
|
|I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of
|recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new
|release.
|
|
|
|   If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I
have
|no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted
to
|basically run win8 on a phone...
|   I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
|
|
|
|
|Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than
|the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to
gain and
|everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
|
|   but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i
maybe
|wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
|
|   Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you
just
|got a new phone,
|   I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either,
but I
|guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
|
|
|
|
|I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that
|they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do,
and
|Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got an answer for
that,
|Microsoft dudes?
|
|
|
|   On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith  wrote:
|
|
|   A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for
those
|that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste
away for
|them, somewhat.
|
|   Mike
|
|
|   On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie
| wrote:
|
|
|   I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they
been
|saying it for
|   months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people
claimig
|that it would
|   be upgradable
|
|   but I personally did not expect you would be able to
|upgrade, becuase
|   I was thinking the the phone was also going to try
and
|use the same
|   core as win8, so the phone would be different and
|current phones most
|   likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but
i did
|expect if
|   the phone was more like "windows" that they would be
|able to still run
|   the old apps
|
|   but if you google you will see people saying will
not be
|upgradable
|   from mid to end of last year, while others saying
that MS
|could not
|   cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
|
|
|
|
|
|   --
|   Meski
|
|
|
| http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
|
|   "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for
sex.
|Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
|
|
|
|
|
|
|--
|Meski
|
|
| http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
|
|"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it,
|but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

[dotnet noobie]

I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, etc

I was not talking about the smart phone market

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: mike smith
Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie  wrote:

> Well, this is not a compitition
>

Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)



> and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression
> quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
> to wp8,
> I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
> podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
> debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011
>
> I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be
> able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
>

I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of
a new release.


>
> If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
> idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
> basically run win8 on a phone...
> I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
>
>
Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
to gain and everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)


> but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe
> wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
>
> Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
> a new phone,
> I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
> guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
>
>
>
I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way
Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got
an answer for that, Microsoft dudes?


>
> On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
>> bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
>> for them, somewhat.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote:
>>
>>> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
>>> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
>>> be upgradable
>>>
>>> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
>>> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
>>> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
>>> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
>>> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run
>>> the old apps
>>>
>>> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
>>> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
>>> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>>
>


-- 
Meski

   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

[mike smith]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie  wrote:

> Well, this is not a compitition
>

Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)



> and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression
> quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
> to wp8,
> I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
> podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
> debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011
>
> I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be
> able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
>

I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of
a new release.


>
> If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
> idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
> basically run win8 on a phone...
> I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
>
>
Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
to gain and everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)


> but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe
> wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
>
> Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
> a new phone,
> I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
> guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
>
>
>
I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way
Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got
an answer for that, Microsoft dudes?


>
> On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
>> bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
>> for them, somewhat.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote:
>>
>>> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
>>> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
>>> be upgradable
>>>
>>> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
>>> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
>>> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
>>> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
>>> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run
>>> the old apps
>>>
>>> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
>>> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
>>> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

[.net noobie]

Well, this is not a compitition and I not claming to be an expert on it,
but I was under the impression quite a while ago that people would not be
able to upgrade the wp7 devices to wp8,
I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast
i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
it as far back as mid to end of 2011

I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be able
to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?

If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
basically run win8 on a phone...
I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess

but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe wrong
here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?

Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
a new phone,
I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already



On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith  wrote:

> A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
> bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
> for them, somewhat.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote:
>
>> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
>> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
>> be upgradable
>>
>> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
>> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
>> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
>> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
>> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run
>> the old apps
>>
>> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
>> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
>> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
>