Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: If you have a dual-CPU, hex-core, machine, and all 12 cores are being used by SQL Server, then you have to buy 12 per-core licenses (previously 2 CPU licences). ** It's reasonable. When that model was set up, who would have forecast 6+ core CPU's? :) ** If you run SQL Server in a VM, and you have 4 virtual cores (e.g. 4 single core virtual CPUs, or 2 dual core virtual CPUs), then you need to buy 4 core licences. ** ** Or, if you have a lot of VMs, you licence all the physical cores on the host using Enterprise Edition, and then you can run unlimited VMs. And likely that's the most economical way. Does the model run that way for all server components with Enterprise, including the OS? ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 June 2012 1:19 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] SQL Server 2012 ** ** So on a dual 6 core system that is 12 or 2? I miss seeing what gets counted. Then there's that option for running 2 virtual cpus per real cpu. Argh! ** ** Mike On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Note that licensing changes for Standard and Enterprise editions to per-core rather than per-CPU. I haven’t yet seen a comparison of our old per-CPU prices for SQL Server 2008/R2 vs the new per-core prices for 2012. If the new per-core prices are around 1/4 to 1/6 of the price of the old per-CPU, then I’ll be OK. But I’m not holding my breath. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:37 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* [OT] SQL Server 2012 I received a box from Singapore today with a single MSDN disc inside, the June 2012 disc with SQL Server 2012. I’m creating a test virtual Win2008R2 machine to install it on and see what’s different or exciting. I plan to import some existing databases and sanity check that my apps work okay with it. Has anyone got any feelings for SQL 2012 so far? Does it have anything that might thrill the regular programmer? (as opposed to thrilling someone building intergalactic networks with the more obscure features) -- Greg** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to win8 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would upgrade. And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |nov 2011 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | |talking to people on twitter | |etc, | |the net is a big place | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall | seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said | there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what | |podcast, | etc | | | |I was not talking about the smart phone market | | | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | | | | | |From: mike smith | |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com | |wrote: | | | | | | Well, this is not a compitition | | | | | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) | | | | | | | | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the | impression | |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 | |devices | to | |wp8, | | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to | |the one | podcast i | |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people | |debating | it as far | |back as mid to end of 2011 | | | | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you | | would | be | |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? | | | | | |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get | |some | form of | |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a | |new release. | | | | | | | | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 | | OS, I | have | |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS | |wanted | to | |basically run win8 on a phone... | | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess | | | | | | | | | |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset | |churn | than | |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing | |to | gain and | |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) | | | | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but rumours/speculation I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened to a year+ ago I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3 times it's value to suckers On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to win8 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would upgrade. And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |nov 2011 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | |talking to people on twitter | |etc, | |the net is a big place | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall | seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said | there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what | |podcast, | etc | | | |I was not talking about the smart phone market | | | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | | | | | |From: mike smith | |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com | |wrote: | | | | | | Well, this is not a compitition | | | | | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Personally, I think the cross-platform (phone/tablet/PC) compatibility and core code in the Win8 -generation OS is a marketing advantage (and probably a convenience / usability advantage, and a technical advantage), too. In building corporate acceptance, the possible demise of Blackberry will help, and Microsoft's ($US1.2bn) purchase of Yamma with a reported re-purposing as a private social network for corporates is also a wise move imho (but I'm not an IT tycoon or a clairvoyant). Regarding the dumping of the Kin device they bought, probably a good move. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:58 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but rumours/speculation I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened to a year+ ago I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3 times it's value to suckers On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to win8 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would upgrade. And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |nov 2011 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | |talking to people on twitter | |etc, | |the net is a big place | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall | seeing any phone reviews that in their review
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead donkey), |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation Yes this is what you said: So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened |to a year+ ago | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i |don't know | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and | one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be | upgradable to win8 | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there | was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a | pollo | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it | would upgrade. | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running | on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it | can't be done is clearly wrong. | | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. | If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 | (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. | | The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft | has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. | Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. | Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no | wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market | share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). | | It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |nov 2011 | |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- | |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- | |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | | | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | | | |talking to people on twitter | | | |etc, | | | |the net is a big place | | | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | | | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond | |a | year ago | |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was | |thinking | the | |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | | | | | | |On 26
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Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah, so i said what i said... rumours but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not be happening if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but it was not ment to upset you or anyone else On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead donkey), |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation Yes this is what you said: So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened |to a year+ ago | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i |don't know | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and | one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be | upgradable to win8 | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there | was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a | pollo | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it | would upgrade. | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running | on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it | can't be done is clearly wrong. | | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. | If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 | (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. | | The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft | has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. | Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. | Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no | wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market | share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). | | It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |nov 2011 | |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- | |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |
