Re: Is Surface really failing?
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Unicorn.Consulting unicorn.consult...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/05/2013 10:03 AM, Fredericks, Chris wrote: Hi Matt, ** ** I have to use Office as it is a part of my employer’s standard operating environment. So I have grown accustomed to it – warts and all. ** ** I now really regret posting that dumb car analogy of mine. Everyone is most welcome to come and drive in my neighbourhood! You will recognise me by the large foot in my mouth. LMAO it was to good to resist. ** ** I don’t use the Windows 8 Mail app – I am a lost cause and use Outlook (Office 2013). So I guess I have dodged a bullet. Or is there something lurking there with Outlook that I just haven’t encountered yet? Nothing you have missed that will bit outlook, but the native app only supports exchange activesync and IMAP and it is something that may bite you if your the unfortunate tech support for family and friend. The ISPs of the world are not in the habit of handing out IMAP, it costs to much to support and consumes way more bandwidth. Very few are paying the activesync tax except mobile phone makers and then it really only works with Outlook.com. Seems to work with Android, but maybe they are paying it. I get all my serverside stuff email/calendar onto my Nexus4 - very happy. Not so good for composing lengthy replies on. My point is that there are consumer unfriendly decisions in Windows 8. I have not installed my copy, I freely admit that. I am looking for a good reason to upgrade and I really have yet to see one. It used to be I wanted the latest version for some feature or other. These days there are no such features. Where are all the good features that were dropped from Vista, instead we get a unified interface across devices Agreed. On that note, I'll stop kicking W8 and MS for the moment. I'm happier with VS12 than I thought I'd be (mono UI and all) so Kudos for that, MS. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Is Surface really failing?
So, in all the below, who actually needs to access Office apps, and how often, and why? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 11:55 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:49 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? Office. Seriously?!? I could understand why you might want to run Win2k12 as a desktop and have office. But generally when you remote into a server, it’s not your desktop – it’s an actual server you wouldn’t be running Office on it. And yes. We've got servers set up to do builds, which run tests after, some of which are office integration. Because you don't want it, doesn't mean everyone doesn't. Seriously. And running your integration tests involves someone manually logging onto a server using RDP and running Office apps? That doesn’t seem to be very efficient to me. Surely this can be automated using your testing suite? It is automated. don't jump to conclusions. I can understand that you might have to configure Office (assuming you don’t have a build system that does this for you), but surely that’s a one-off type operation? THe integration requires Outlook to be present. And in Production (rather than your test environment) this is going to be even less common. But if you seriously need to use Office interactively often on your server, then I suspect it’s not a common case (so I don’t think it really detracts from the point I was making that the Start screen isn’t really that important on Win2k12), but if you need to do it, pin the Office apps to the Task Bar. To reiterate, getting to the Start screen isn’t really something that needs to be done often on Win2k12. I’m not saying “no one needs to do this, ever” More often than you'd imagine.
Re: Is Surface really failing?
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: I've stopped installing office on my machines now for some years. On the odd occasion I do need to access a document of some kind, I put it in my Google drive and open it in Google docs. It even gives me a nice way to save as PDF if I need to. My work machines usually have office as part of the SOE so use whatever is installed. So my personal usage of Office is pretty much zero. I use Office all the time at Codify. Every plan, doc, report, etc is heavily invested in office. I can't imagine putting together a 100 page report full of cross-references and stuff in anything other than Word. Google Docs is still a bit shit for things like vector graphics (PDFs end up with bitmaps in them) and the presentations they generate are horrible last time I checked. Google Spreadsheets is very, very solid though. I am constantly amazed by it.
