RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99)
This must be the most divergent tangent from the original topic, but here goes: It is not related to HTML support (would that have changed, I wonder?) but my guess is that it is because the legacy 3rd-party add-ins for Office would be largely VBA add-ins or perhaps C++ COM add ins (not ever written as .NET with the aid of the PIAs for the various Office releases). Meski’s short response was sufficient explanation. It is hard to move forward when you are forced to support quite old legacy applications. If some small business or individual is used to running (for example) an Outlook add-in from 4Team, which may have been updated to support Outlook 97 through to Outlook 2013 – but not the 64-bit versions of Office - then what would you expect Microsoft (or software publisher X – eg, Apple) to do? In my view, it would be helpful to suggest that the 32-bit version may be preferable, if that is what Microsoft recommends somewhere. Those with more technical advice or knowledge would make a judgement whether the 64-bit version of say Excel might be better suited for their use - perhaps to support huge spreadsheets? But many users would be pleased enough with 32-bit versions. I’m not sure what you mean by stupid HTML crap. Do you mean XML-based object model in the .docx, .xlsx (etc) file formats? Personally, I wouldn’t complain about Microsoft’s ,NET support for Office development, in the 2009 to 1013 time frame. I think it’s pretty good. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:40 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? Oh LOL. I never thought of that. I mean, Microsoft has just ruined NET Framework support in Office by touting their stupid HTML crap, so it’s almost like it matters not anymore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? Because there are a lot of legacy addons for Office that haven't been compiled for x64 Office. They will not work together (inProc calls) On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: Oh funny. But in light of what somebody said about Office, why do you recommend 32 bit office on a 64 bit platform? I don’t get that. And before today, I had never heard of it before. I’m in the market for Office 2013, so which to get and why? I’d rather go for the 64 bit version, but if that’s going to cause headaches for me later, then oh well.
RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99)
I mean the new office model using what’s it called, Napa or something like that? That doesn’t use .net at all, and they are calling the existing development model legacy already. So Microsoft seems to prefer that folks now do all of their development for office via HTML instead of via .net. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:20 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99) This must be the most divergent tangent from the original topic, but here goes: It is not related to HTML support (would that have changed, I wonder?) but my guess is that it is because the legacy 3rd-party add-ins for Office would be largely VBA add-ins or perhaps C++ COM add ins (not ever written as .NET with the aid of the PIAs for the various Office releases). Meski’s short response was sufficient explanation. It is hard to move forward when you are forced to support quite old legacy applications. If some small business or individual is used to running (for example) an Outlook add-in from 4Team, which may have been updated to support Outlook 97 through to Outlook 2013 – but not the 64-bit versions of Office - then what would you expect Microsoft (or software publisher X – eg, Apple) to do? In my view, it would be helpful to suggest that the 32-bit version may be preferable, if that is what Microsoft recommends somewhere. Those with more technical advice or knowledge would make a judgement whether the 64-bit version of say Excel might be better suited for their use - perhaps to support huge spreadsheets? But many users would be pleased enough with 32-bit versions. I’m not sure what you mean by stupid HTML crap. Do you mean XML-based object model in the .docx, .xlsx (etc) file formats? Personally, I wouldn’t complain about Microsoft’s ,NET support for Office development, in the 2009 to 1013 time frame. I think it’s pretty good. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:40 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? Oh LOL. I never thought of that. I mean, Microsoft has just ruined NET Framework support in Office by touting their stupid HTML crap, so it’s almost like it matters not anymore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? Because there are a lot of legacy addons for Office that haven't been compiled for x64 Office. They will not work together (inProc calls) On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edumailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: Oh funny. But in light of what somebody said about Office, why do you recommend 32 bit office on a 64 bit platform? I don’t get that. And before today, I had never heard of it before. I’m in the market for Office 2013, so which to get and why? I’d rather go for the 64 bit version, but if that’s going to cause headaches for me later, then oh well.
Re: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99)
THis is just for Office-in-the-cloud, right? There's a lot of customers out there that use and love Office 2003. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.eduwrote: I mean the new office model using what’s it called, Napa or something like that? That doesn’t use .net at all, and they are calling the existing development model legacy already. So Microsoft seems to prefer that folks now do all of their development for office via HTML instead of via .net. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:20 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99) ** ** This must be the most divergent tangent from the original topic, but here goes: It is not related to HTML support (would that have changed, I wonder?) but my guess is that it is because the legacy 3rd-party add-ins for Office would be largely VBA add-ins or perhaps C++ COM add ins (not ever written as .NET with the aid of the PIAs for the various Office releases). Meski’s short response was sufficient explanation. It is hard to move forward when you are forced to support quite old legacy applications. If some small business or individual is used to running (for example) an Outlook add-in from 4Team, which may have been updated to support Outlook 97 through to Outlook 2013 – but not the 64-bit versions of Office - then what would you expect Microsoft (or software publisher X – eg, Apple) to do? In my view, it would be helpful to suggest that the 32-bit version may be preferable, if that is what Microsoft recommends somewhere. Those with more technical advice or knowledge would make a judgement whether the 64-bit version of say Excel might be better suited for their use - perhaps to support huge spreadsheets? But many users would be pleased enough with 32-bit versions. ** ** I’m not sure what you mean by stupid HTML crap. Do you mean XML-based object model in the .docx, .xlsx (etc) file formats? Personally, I wouldn’t complain about Microsoft’s ,NET support for Office development, in the 2009 to 1013 time frame. I think it’s pretty good. -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Katherine Moss *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:40 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Is Surface really failing? ** ** Oh LOL. I never thought of that. I mean, Microsoft has just ruined NET Framework support in Office by touting their stupid HTML crap, so it’s almost like it matters not anymore. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:13 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Is Surface really failing? ** ** Because there are a lot of legacy addons for Office that haven't been compiled for x64 Office. They will not work together (inProc calls) On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: Oh funny. But in light of what somebody said about Office, why do you recommend 32 bit office on a 64 bit platform? I don’t get that. And before today, I had never heard of it before. I’m in the market for Office 2013, so which to get and why? I’d rather go for the 64 bit version, but if that’s going to cause headaches for me later, then oh well. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
It's not just invalid characters. I've had sites that only accepted an email address ending in .com or .net. The .name address I had was apparently invalid. Similar to Greg's solution, I have a domain registered with a service that supports wildcard email redirection. Well they used to, they don't for new registrations. I redirect it all to gmail at the moment but have used other mail services in the past. It makes it easy to filter email and identify dodgy companies that share your email address. It also means not worrying about whether + is supported. Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 11:52, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I had no idea so many characters were legal for local-part of an email address. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address Looks like a lot of web-designers don't read the email RFC's
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
It's not that hard to write filters for email without this. There's reply to, or List-Id: ozDotNet ozdotnet.ozdotnet.com A quick question, to the guardian of the list: Are the archives for this list on the google crawl list? (i ask because googling my name returned a hit on something from this, or maybe the previous list) Mike On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: Remember you have plus addressing on gmail. meski.oz+somel...@gmail.com goes to your inbox so you can use that as a form of categorisation though it is obviously easy for a spam merchant to 'know' the real address. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I had no idea so many characters were legal for local-part of an email address. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address Looks like a lot of web-designers don't read the email RFC's On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com wrote: It’s too bad an increasing number of web sites and services refuse to accept anything with a “+” in it. If you’re lucky they’re just incompetent and reject it as an ‘invalid’ address. When it’s an informed and conscious decision there’s an increasing tendency to strip anything after a “+” from the email address you provide. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 11:26 AM To: g...@greglow.com; ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? I do something similar at times with gmail where you can use the + to generate new addresses. me+bankwest@acorns works nicely and helps me identify the originator. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:06 AM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote: When I was running Exchange in-house, I used to create an email address for every situation where I had to give an address out. ie: “Abercrombie” wanted an email address, I’d give them abercrom...@mycompany.com; “ABC” wanted one, I’d give them a...@mycompany.com etc etc. It’s really interesting to see the reactions from people when you give them an email address based on their own company name, and even more interesting to see all the places that the address ends up coming back from. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burstin Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 11:02 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? I find the best way to avoid this is to give a fake name that ONLY the bank woul know. That way the Nigerians can't guess it. The name I have chosen to use with my bank is Sir/Madam and I have never had a problem. (Hey, it's Friday) On 10/05/2013 10:55 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: No excuse. The Nigerians *also* have his first name, family name, date of birth and know his kids and mom. (mum dude, we're Aussies). Even the spambots are getting lazy! On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: How do you know it wasn't a Nigerian scam? ; ) On 10/05/2013 10:38 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea corne...@acorns.com.au wrote: outrage Friday outrage again to my dear BankWest. I made a payment online and got a nice confirmation email. Very nice of them to let me know so I can even react and cancel it. However the email starts like: Dear Sir/madam, This is a courtesy email to let you know: [bla bla] Didn't they learn in all these years that Dear Sir/madam is reserved for spam bots? You are my f** bank. You know my first name, my family name, my date of birth. You even know the names of my kids and my mom. You could at least email me a personalized email Dear Corneliu, so I don't dismiss it as a Nigerian scam. C'mon BankWest, you can do better than this. /outrage Corneliu. Click here to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] A quick question, to the guardian of the list: Are the archives for this list on the google crawl list? (i ask because googling my name returned a hit on something from this, or maybe the previous list) Yes, the archives are here: http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozdotnet/ Searching for something from a message last week: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Shouldaq=foq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Shouldaqs=chrome.0.57.949j0sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8#safe=offsclient=psy-abq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Should%22oq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Should%22gs_l=serp.3...2734.2734.0.2892.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.PIC8oABRs_kpbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGcfp=40f391f6da3e1feabiw=1207bih=1142 So yes they are indexed. I really need to fix the look and feel of that site but decided to wait until Mailman 3.0 ... which appears to be moving at a glacial pace. David.
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] A quick question, to the guardian of the list: Are the archives for this list on the google crawl list? (i ask because googling my name returned a hit on something from this, or maybe the previous list) Yes, the archives are here: http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozdotnet/ I don't mind, but people might want to be aware of it. :) Searching for something from a message last week: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Shouldaq=foq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Shouldaqs=chrome.0.57.949j0sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8#safe=offsclient=psy-abq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Should%22oq=%22Surface+RT+or+a+Surface+Pro%3F+Should%22gs_l=serp.3...2734.2734.0.2892.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.PIC8oABRs_kpbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGcfp=40f391f6da3e1feabiw=1207bih=1142 A totally ugly url. Somedays I want google to buy out tinyurl, and hash all the searches people do into one. So yes they are indexed. I really need to fix the look and feel of that site but decided to wait until Mailman 3.0 ... which appears to be moving at a glacial pace. even for an open-source. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: List Server Software (was Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?)
Hey. SmarterrMail is cooler. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:30 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: List Server Software (was Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?) I really need to fix the look and feel of that site but decided to wait until Mailman 3.0 ... which appears to be moving at a glacial pace. even for an open-source. In trying to find a release date form the py-thon monkeys writing MM, I came across this: http://groupserver.org/groupserver Looks interesting. Especially: Key Features · Read and post messages via the web. · Administer membership and post in one web interface. · Share uploaded files. · Search messages and files. · Multiple email addresses on a profile. · Multiple groups on a site · Skinnable and customisable. Anyone used it? David.
RE: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.commailto:firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.commailto:firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account... https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.commailto:firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.commailto:firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
I can only assume it was a bug in validation at the time. From memory, people in the UK had to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com. I suspect it had something to do with that. But still, even before the UK could use @gmail.com, I was still getting the email. I would have thought this would go to the top of the issue list but apparently not. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 13:40, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account… https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 ** ** How did the other guy even create the account or login? ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards *Sent:* Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? ** ** Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David ** **
RE: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
I have occasionally received email for chrisfrederi...@gmail.commailto:chrisfrederi...@gmail.com (my address without the full stop between first and last names) and the content indicated he/she lives in the US. So I share David's experience in reverse. Cheers, Chris From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 2:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? I can only assume it was a bug in validation at the time. From memory, people in the UK had to use @googlemail.comhttp://googlemail.com instead of @gmail.comhttp://gmail.com. I suspect it had something to do with that. But still, even before the UK could use @gmail.comhttp://gmail.com, I was still getting the email. I would have thought this would go to the top of the issue list but apparently not. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 13:40, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.commailto:firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.commailto:firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account... https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.commailto:firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.commailto:firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
Back in the beginning days of gmail, you were required to have at least one dot. I'm thinking that when they relaxed this, there must have been a failure in their uniqueness algorithm. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account… https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I could understand a validation issue (or even an issue that occurred post-migration), but I do wonder what the other guy’s user experience is now. Is he still able to login? If so, what email does he see (does he see yours)? Etc. I would guess that the login routine drops all “.” From the user name, since it’s supposed to be superfluous, so only one password can match the username in question. All others would be denied access (you’d hope). I'm hoping the password's stored in hashed format, so there's the possibility that more than one password would give the same hash. :^) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 2:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? I can only assume it was a bug in validation at the time. From memory, people in the UK had to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com. I suspect it had something to do with that. But still, even before the UK could use @gmail.com, I was still getting the email. I would have thought this would go to the top of the issue list but apparently not. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 13:40, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account… https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
I had those exact same thoughts. Which is why I stopped using the account. Which annoys me a bit because I was quit happy to successfully get my name rather than david12...@gmail.com or something. The other guy also seems to have no idea how to avoid getting spam because it's the only account I have that gets large quantities of it. Now I only use the account for testing so he's welcome to my Yay the email function worked! emails :) David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 15:18, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I could understand a validation issue (or even an issue that occurred post-migration), but I do wonder what the other guy’s user experience is now. ** ** Is he still able to login? If so, what email does he see (does he see yours)? Etc. I would guess that the login routine drops all “.” From the user name, since it’s supposed to be superfluous, so only one password can match the username in question. All others would be denied access (you’d hope). ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards *Sent:* Monday, 13 May 2013 2:25 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? ** ** I can only assume it was a bug in validation at the time. From memory, people in the UK had to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com. I suspect it had something to do with that. But still, even before the UK could use @gmail.com, I was still getting the email. I would have thought this would go to the top of the issue list but apparently not. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama ** ** On 13 May 2013 13:40, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account… https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards *Sent:* Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David ** **
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
I had those exact same thoughts. Which is why I stopped using the account. Which annoys me a bit because I was quit happy to successfully get my name rather than david12...@gmail.com or something. The other guy also seems to have no idea how to avoid getting spam because it's the only account I have that gets large quantities of it. Now I only use the account for testing so he's welcome to my Yay the email function worked! emails :) David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 13 May 2013 15:18, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I could understand a validation issue (or even an issue that occurred post-migration), but I do wonder what the other guy’s user experience is now. ** ** Is he still able to login? If so, what email does he see (does he see yours)? Etc. I would guess that the login routine drops all “.” From the user name, since it’s supposed to be superfluous, so only one password can match the username in question. All others would be denied access (you’d hope). ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards *Sent:* Monday, 13 May 2013 2:25 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? ** ** I can only assume it was a bug in validation at the time. From memory, people in the UK had to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com. I suspect it had something to do with that. But still, even before the UK could use @gmail.com, I was still getting the email. I would have thought this would go to the top of the issue list but apparently not. David If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama ** ** ** On 13 May 2013 13:40, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: According to Google firstnamelastn...@gmail.com and firstname.lastn...@gmail.com are the same account… https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10313?hl=enref_topic=3026306 How did the other guy even create the account or login? Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards *Sent:* Monday, 13 May 2013 12:11 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam? Having said that, gmail doesn't support a period in the username properly. I have a firstnamelastn...@gmail.com address and there is someone in the UK that has firstname.lastn...@gmail.com. I have been getting that other persons emails for years. This includes personal stuff like passwords, bank details, address, resume's, family photos, etc. I told google about it many times but they just insist there is nothing wrong. I told the other guy about it and I think he changed his email address but I'm still getting his personal email. David ** **
Re: BankWest: Dear Sir/Madam?
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM, David Richards da...@davidsuniverse.com wrote: I had those exact same thoughts. Which is why I stopped using the account. Which annoys me a bit because I was quit happy to successfully get my name rather than david12...@gmail.com or something. The other guy also seems to have no idea how to avoid getting spam because it's the only account I have that gets large quantities of it. But gmail is so good at filtering it. 99.99% of all spam gets there, I'd guess about 1% of non spam is getting assessed as spam. I blame a lot of it as being because my email is my battlenet name, and my email was on Stratfor's hacked list. :( Now I only use the account for testing so he's welcome to my Yay the email function worked! emails :) Wonder what would happen if you deleted it? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99)
Say that again? There are still people using Office ’03? We have to get them out of the dark ages and get them up to supported Office levels! From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:05 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99) THis is just for Office-in-the-cloud, right? There's a lot of customers out there that use and love Office 2003. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edumailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: I mean the new office model using what’s it called, Napa or something like that? That doesn’t use .net at all, and they are calling the existing development model legacy already. So Microsoft seems to prefer that folks now do all of their development for office via HTML instead of via .net. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:20 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? (tangent # 99) This must be the most divergent tangent from the original topic, but here goes: It is not related to HTML support (would that have changed, I wonder?) but my guess is that it is because the legacy 3rd-party add-ins for Office would be largely VBA add-ins or perhaps C++ COM add ins (not ever written as .NET with the aid of the PIAs for the various Office releases). Meski’s short response was sufficient explanation. It is hard to move forward when you are forced to support quite old legacy applications. If some small business or individual is used to running (for example) an Outlook add-in from 4Team, which may have been updated to support Outlook 97 through to Outlook 2013 – but not the 64-bit versions of Office - then what would you expect Microsoft (or software publisher X – eg, Apple) to do? In my view, it would be helpful to suggest that the 32-bit version may be preferable, if that is what Microsoft recommends somewhere. Those with more technical advice or knowledge would make a judgement whether the 64-bit version of say Excel might be better suited for their use - perhaps to support huge spreadsheets? But many users would be pleased enough with 32-bit versions. I’m not sure what you mean by stupid HTML crap. Do you mean XML-based object model in the .docx, .xlsx (etc) file formats? Personally, I wouldn’t complain about Microsoft’s ,NET support for Office development, in the 2009 to 1013 time frame. I think it’s pretty good. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:40 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? Oh LOL. I never thought of that. I mean, Microsoft has just ruined NET Framework support in Office by touting their stupid HTML crap, so it’s almost like it matters not anymore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? Because there are a lot of legacy addons for Office that haven't been compiled for x64 Office. They will not work together (inProc calls) On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edumailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: Oh funny. But in light of what somebody said about Office, why do you recommend 32 bit office on a 64 bit platform? I don’t get that. And before today, I had never heard of it before. I’m in the market for Office 2013, so which to get and why? I’d rather go for the 64 bit version, but if that’s going to cause headaches for me later, then oh well. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
