Re: Ozdotnet list

[Tony Wright]

Yep, all good if that's the case

On 4 Apr 2017 1:21 PM, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we are
> changing is the implementation of said list.
>
> I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist as it
> is. Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the replacement. It
> should be the same list, just delivered by a different backend.
>
> They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it (perhaps more
> traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable to them anymore and
> they forgot they were on it... whatever the reason).
>
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of David Connors 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the
>> list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new
>> environment, while exciting, could spell the end of the list as many
>> spectators won't bother making the move across.
>>
>
> Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list (which
> doco says it does).
>
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

I've used discord a little (and noticed the slack similarities) but I am not 
sure it would replace the elist (our primary goal is to 100% replicate the 
current functionality).

I checked and discord has a feature request to implement email integration (2 
votes), so I think its a different beastie.


I think if we wanted Slack, we'd have that. I've noticed Slack is a pain if you 
belong to more than a few of them. I end up with each computer signed into some 
but not others and I can't read em all.


My gut feel is that Discord (and Slack) isn't a good fit for a replacement but 
might be something some people would want in addition to the elist. I think we 
need more members first for that meduim to make sense though. Good idea, thanks 
for speaking up (does this mean you are no longer a lurker? hehe)


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Stuff Box 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:27:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

Ive been a lurker here for a long time (around 2003). I enjoy the banter and 
conversations. Moving to another platform probably would encourage me to 
participate more. Has anyone considered using discord (similar to slack but 
free)? I know its mainly a gamer environment but I believe it would suit.

Anton T


On 4 Apr 2017, at 11:20 am, Stephen Price 
> wrote:

Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we are 
changing is the implementation of said list.
I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist as it is. 
Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the replacement. It should 
be the same list, just delivered by a different backend.
They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it (perhaps more 
traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable to them anymore and they 
forgot they were on it... whatever the reason).


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of David Connors >
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright 
> wrote:
That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the list 
as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new environment, while 
exciting, could spell the end of the list as many spectators won't bother 
making the move across.

Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list (which doco 
says it does).


--
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stuff Box]

Ive been a lurker here for a long time (around 2003). I enjoy the banter and 
conversations. Moving to another platform probably would encourage me to 
participate more. Has anyone considered using discord (similar to slack but 
free)? I know its mainly a gamer environment but I believe it would suit.

Anton T


> On 4 Apr 2017, at 11:20 am, Stephen Price  wrote:
> 
> Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we are 
> changing is the implementation of said list. 
> I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist as it is. 
> Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the replacement. It should 
> be the same list, just delivered by a different backend. 
> They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it (perhaps more 
> traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable to them anymore and they 
> forgot they were on it... whatever the reason). 
> 
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
> of David Connors 
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list
>  
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright  > wrote:
> That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the 
> list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new environment, 
> while exciting, could spell the end of the list as many spectators won't 
> bother making the move across. 
> 
> Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list (which 
> doco says it does).
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com <> | @davidconnors <> | LinkedIn <> | +61 417 189 363 <>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we are 
changing is the implementation of said list.

I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist as it is. 
Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the replacement. It should 
be the same list, just delivered by a different backend.

They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it (perhaps more 
traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable to them anymore and they 
forgot they were on it... whatever the reason).



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of David Connors 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright 
> wrote:
That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the list 
as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new environment, while 
exciting, could spell the end of the list as many spectators won't bother 
making the move across.

Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list (which doco 
says it does).


--
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: Ozdotnet list

[David Connors]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright  wrote:

> That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the
> list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new
> environment, while exciting, could spell the end of the list as many
> spectators won't bother making the move across.
>

Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list (which
doco says it does).


-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Greg Keogh]

>
> All welcome, I say.
>
I'm not racist, but, what about JavaScript developers?

;-) *GK*

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Tony Wright]

That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the scope of the
list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly, moving to a new
environment, while exciting, could spell the end of the list as many
spectators won't bother making the move across.

On 4 Apr 2017 1:02 PM, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> True there are many forums and always StackOverflow for getting answers.
>
>
> But there's only one OzDotNet. We have no competition on that front.
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Greg Keogh 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 9:52:52 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
> If Discourse tags conversations like other typical modern forums, then we
> can have lots of easily identifiable sub-topics like .NET, C#, F#, Xamarin,
> Android, WPF, VB Sucks, OT, etc.
>
> There are a hell of a lot of forums for IT, far too many I think, so we'll
> have lots of competition and will need to make it attractive.
>
> *GK*
>
> On 4 April 2017 at 11:08, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Some great feedback all.
>>
>>
>> Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long
>> standing history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking
>> with the current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is
>> fine, developers tend to be in all spaces these days.
>>
>>
>> Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so
>> you can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable
>> permissions (regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload
>> doesn't fall on a single Admin) can tag a message with a category which
>> essentially moves it into the right topic.
>>
>>
>> My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential
>> designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which
>> can help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to
>> other Aussie devs onboard.
>>
>>
>> This is exciting!
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
>> behalf of David Richards 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>>
>> I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime
>> around 2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a
>> bit behind in the tech department.
>>
>> Suggestions from me:
>> 1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made
>> clear what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.
>> I'm still a .net developer but these days do more in java and android.
>> Xamarin has brought .net to other platforms so this expands the possible
>> discussions. (OT anyone?)
>> 2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only
>> mention this because for a long time I was a member of an android google
>> group and suddenly found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't
>> even contact anyone to help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be
>> blocked.  Ended up giving up on the group.
>> 3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing
>> something interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and
>> in any practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums
>> out there so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>>
>> On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's
>>> some interesting discussion.
>>>
>>> I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to
>>> their favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I
>>> think that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>>> From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet'
>>> and hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably
>>> earlier), so I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a
>>> member since around 2002/3?
>>>
>>> From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but
>>> make it clear that we welcome all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

True there are many forums and always StackOverflow for getting answers.


But there's only one OzDotNet. We have no competition on that front.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 9:52:52 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

If Discourse tags conversations like other typical modern forums, then we can 
have lots of easily identifiable sub-topics like .NET, C#, F#, Xamarin, 
Android, WPF, VB Sucks, OT, etc.

There are a hell of a lot of forums for IT, far too many I think, so we'll have 
lots of competition and will need to make it attractive.

GK

On 4 April 2017 at 11:08, Stephen Price 
> wrote:

Some great feedback all.


Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long standing 
history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking with the 
current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is fine, 
developers tend to be in all spaces these days.


Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so you 
can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable permissions 
(regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload doesn't fall on a 
single Admin) can tag a message with a category which essentially moves it into 
the right topic.


My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential 
designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which can 
help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to other 
Aussie devs onboard.


This is exciting!


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of David Richards 
>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime around 
2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a bit behind in 
the tech department.

Suggestions from me:
1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made clear 
what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.  I'm still a 
.net developer but these days do more in java and android.  Xamarin has brought 
.net to other platforms so this expands the possible discussions. (OT anyone?)
2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only mention this 
because for a long time I was a member of an android google group and suddenly 
found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't even contact anyone to 
help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be blocked.  Ended up giving up on the 
group.
3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing something 
interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and in any 
practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums out there 
so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu 
> wrote:
I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's some 
interesting discussion.

I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to their 
favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I think 
that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet' and 
>hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably earlier), so 
>I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a member since 
>around 2002/3?

>From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but make 
>it clear that we welcome all.


Will

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

ANZAC.Net perhaps? []


Hehe, all good. We'd  be un-Australian if we turned you away.

All welcome, I say.


Agreed, the Category tags work well and let you tag something with multiple 
Categories, so something could be C# and Xamarin or whatever applies.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Preet Sangha 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 10:28:49 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

As a non Oz developer (I'm in Auckland) I suppose I don't have much say. So 
I'll just add that my chief bug bear with of web boards is the utter shite most 
seem to have in terms of conversation threading, searching, and also the 
formatting of code. As long as these are good then I'd be happy to continue 
contributing (if will you still have me).

To me tags opposed to multiple boards are way way better. If a convo can be 
xamarin and VB and iOS then I'd hate to see it only in say the iOS board as 
opposed to the xamarin and VB boards - I hope that makes sense.


regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 4 April 2017 at 13:52, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
If Discourse tags conversations like other typical modern forums, then we can 
have lots of easily identifiable sub-topics like .NET, C#, F#, Xamarin, 
Android, WPF, VB Sucks, OT, etc.

There are a hell of a lot of forums for IT, far too many I think, so we'll have 
lots of competition and will need to make it attractive.

GK

On 4 April 2017 at 11:08, Stephen Price 
> wrote:

Some great feedback all.


Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long standing 
history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking with the 
current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is fine, 
developers tend to be in all spaces these days.


Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so you 
can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable permissions 
(regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload doesn't fall on a 
single Admin) can tag a message with a category which essentially moves it into 
the right topic.


My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential 
designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which can 
help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to other 
Aussie devs onboard.


This is exciting!


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of David Richards 
>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime around 
2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a bit behind in 
the tech department.

Suggestions from me:
1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made clear 
what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.  I'm still a 
.net developer but these days do more in java and android.  Xamarin has brought 
.net to other platforms so this expands the possible discussions. (OT anyone?)
2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only mention this 
because for a long time I was a member of an android google group and suddenly 
found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't even contact anyone to 
help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be blocked.  Ended up giving up on the 
group.
3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing something 
interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and in any 
practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums out there 
so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu 
> wrote:
I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's some 
interesting discussion.

I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to their 
favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I think 
that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet' and 
hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably earlier), so 
I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a member since 
around 2002/3?

From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but make it 
clear that we welcome all.


Will

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Preet Sangha]

As a non Oz developer (I'm in Auckland) I suppose I don't have much say. So
I'll just add that my chief bug bear with of web boards is the utter shite
most seem to have in terms of conversation threading, searching, and also
the formatting of code. As long as these are good then I'd be happy to
continue contributing (if will you still have me).

To me tags opposed to multiple boards are way way better. If a convo can be
xamarin and VB and iOS then I'd hate to see it only in say the iOS board as
opposed to the xamarin and VB boards - I hope that makes sense.


regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 4 April 2017 at 13:52, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> If Discourse tags conversations like other typical modern forums, then we
> can have lots of easily identifiable sub-topics like .NET, C#, F#, Xamarin,
> Android, WPF, VB Sucks, OT, etc.
>
> There are a hell of a lot of forums for IT, far too many I think, so we'll
> have lots of competition and will need to make it attractive.
>
> *GK*
>
> On 4 April 2017 at 11:08, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Some great feedback all.
>>
>>
>> Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long
>> standing history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking
>> with the current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is
>> fine, developers tend to be in all spaces these days.
>>
>>
>> Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so
>> you can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable
>> permissions (regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload
>> doesn't fall on a single Admin) can tag a message with a category which
>> essentially moves it into the right topic.
>>
>>
>> My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential
>> designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which
>> can help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to
>> other Aussie devs onboard.
>>
>>
>> This is exciting!
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
>> behalf of David Richards 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>>
>> I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime
>> around 2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a
>> bit behind in the tech department.
>>
>> Suggestions from me:
>> 1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made
>> clear what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.
>> I'm still a .net developer but these days do more in java and android.
>> Xamarin has brought .net to other platforms so this expands the possible
>> discussions. (OT anyone?)
>> 2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only
>> mention this because for a long time I was a member of an android google
>> group and suddenly found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't
>> even contact anyone to help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be
>> blocked.  Ended up giving up on the group.
>> 3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing
>> something interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and
>> in any practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums
>> out there so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>>
>> On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's
>>> some interesting discussion.
>>>
>>> I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to
>>> their favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I
>>> think that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>>> From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet'
>>> and hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably
>>> earlier), so I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a
>>> member since around 2002/3?
>>>
>>> From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but
>>> make it clear that we welcome all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Greg Keogh]

If Discourse tags conversations like other typical modern forums, then we
can have lots of easily identifiable sub-topics like .NET, C#, F#, Xamarin,
Android, WPF, VB Sucks, OT, etc.

There are a hell of a lot of forums for IT, far too many I think, so we'll
have lots of competition and will need to make it attractive.

*GK*

On 4 April 2017 at 11:08, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Some great feedback all.
>
>
> Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long
> standing history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking
> with the current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is
> fine, developers tend to be in all spaces these days.
>
>
> Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so
> you can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable
> permissions (regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload
> doesn't fall on a single Admin) can tag a message with a category which
> essentially moves it into the right topic.
>
>
> My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential
> designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which
> can help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to
> other Aussie devs onboard.
>
>
> This is exciting!
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of David Richards 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
> I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime
> around 2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a
> bit behind in the tech department.
>
> Suggestions from me:
> 1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made
> clear what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.
> I'm still a .net developer but these days do more in java and android.
> Xamarin has brought .net to other platforms so this expands the possible
> discussions. (OT anyone?)
> 2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only mention
> this because for a long time I was a member of an android google group and
> suddenly found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't even
> contact anyone to help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be blocked.
> Ended up giving up on the group.
> 3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing something
> interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and in any
> practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums out
> there so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
> On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu  wrote:
>
>> I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's
>> some interesting discussion.
>>
>> I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to
>> their favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I
>> think that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>> From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet'
>> and hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably
>> earlier), so I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a
>> member since around 2002/3?
>>
>> From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but
>> make it clear that we welcome all.
>>
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

Some great feedback all.


Given our current lists all have a .Net theme, along with the long standing 
history of Aus-dotnet (now Ozdotnet), I like the idea of sticking with the 
current Ozdotnet. And as suggested make it clear that any topic is fine, 
developers tend to be in all spaces these days.


Discourse has a really nice way of tagging a message with a category. so you 
can't really post into the "wrong" topic. Anyone with suitable permissions 
(regular forum users become more trusted and so the workload doesn't fall on a 
single Admin) can tag a message with a category which essentially moves it into 
the right topic.


My daughter has agreed to do some logo designs so I'll post any potential 
designs to the group. We can RedBubble up some Ozdotnet merchandise which can 
help cover the costs of hosting, and maybe even go towards promotion to other 
Aussie devs onboard.


This is exciting!


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of David Richards 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:55:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime around 
2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a bit behind in 
the tech department.

Suggestions from me:
1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made clear 
what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.  I'm still a 
.net developer but these days do more in java and android.  Xamarin has brought 
.net to other platforms so this expands the possible discussions. (OT anyone?)
2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only mention this 
because for a long time I was a member of an android google group and suddenly 
found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't even contact anyone to 
help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be blocked.  Ended up giving up on the 
group.
3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing something 
interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and in any 
practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums out there 
so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu 
> wrote:
I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's some 
interesting discussion.

I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to their 
favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I think 
that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet' and 
>hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably earlier), so 
>I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a member since 
>around 2002/3?

>From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but make 
>it clear that we welcome all.


Will

Re: Ozdotnet list

[David Richards]

I have no problem with the move.  I've been on this list since sometime
around 2003/4.  It's probably a bit ironic that a tech focused list is a
bit behind in the tech department.

Suggestions from me:
1. Open it up a bit rather than be focused on .net but make sure its made
clear what category you're discussing and can filter as per your desire.
I'm still a .net developer but these days do more in java and android.
Xamarin has brought .net to other platforms so this expands the possible
discussions. (OT anyone?)
2. Make sure there are alternative ways to contact admins.  I only mention
this because for a long time I was a member of an android google group and
suddenly found I could no longer post to the group.  I couldn't even
contact anyone to help resolve the issue, it all seemed to be blocked.
Ended up giving up on the group.
3. Aus focussed could be a good thing. It can be annoying seeing something
interesting mentioned on a forum that is in another country and in any
practical sense, inaccessible.  There are plenty of developer forums out
there so an Aus forum gives us an important differentiation.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 4 April 2017 at 10:24, William Luu  wrote:

> I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's
> some interesting discussion.
>
> I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to
> their favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I
> think that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
> From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet' and
> hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably earlier),
> so I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a member
> since around 2002/3?
>
> From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but
> make it clear that we welcome all.
>
>
> Will
>
>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[William Luu]

I don't contribute here much either, but still read it whenever there's
some interesting discussion.

I welcome the move. However, I think most people would jump straight to
their favourite search engines/StackOverflow when they have an issue. So I
think that's part of why this last has become so inactive.
>From what I'm recall, this list (in its' original form as 'aus-dotnet' and
hosted by Dr Pete) had been around since .NET 1.0 (and probably earlier),
so I'd be sad to see it disappear altogether. I think I've been a member
since around 2002/3?

>From a nostalgia standpoint, I'd like to see the same name continue but
make it clear that we welcome all.


Will



On 4 April 2017 at 09:55, Stephen Price  wrote:

> So far no negative responses. We'll do some trialing to make sure
> Discourse is all it says.
>
> We do need to decide as a group of we wish to continue the focus on Aussie
> dotnet Devs, or expand it to include other Aussie developers. Is there a
> difference these days? Naming is important and refactoring is harder when
> it involves a domain name.
>
> What do people self promote as these days? Is it still fine calling
> yourself a DotNet developer when we spend so much time with so many other
> things these days?
>
> Personally I still identify as a .Net developer so think we should stick
> with the name we have (even though other topics are often discussed).
> Just thought I'd ask in case there are other opinions.
>
> cheers,
> Stephen
>
> On 4 Apr. 2017 7:07 am, Glen Harvy  wrote:
>
> I know I don't contribute much but I do support the move although the move
> will likely not increase participation in itself.
>
> If you want to increase participation then we will need to promote the
> echoes and if at all possible gain some support from generous benefactors.
> Getting a web site presence is step 1 as far as I can suggest.
>
> Glen.
>
> On 3/04/2017 4:30 PM, Stephen Price wrote:
>
> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>
> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the
> entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
> list.
>
> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>
> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
> list seems to be gone)
>
> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>
> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up
> and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>
> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>
> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
> would be a good time to get one if not.
>
> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if
> we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?)
> assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>
> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
> like to be able to give back to it.
>
> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
> graphic design degree)...
>
> Discuss.
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[David Connors]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 09:56 Stephen Price  wrote:

> So far no negative responses. We'll do some trialing to make sure
> Discourse is all it says.
>

I've been needing to rebuild the current server anyway as its Linux Kernel
is too old for Azure + MailMan 3 is out now.

I'll run up the docker image for discourse and see how it flies.

Current member counts are

   - ozazure - 93
   - ozdotnet - 265
   - ozkinect - 19
   - ozmoss - 145
   - ozsilverlight - 138
   - ozwpf - 79
   - sqldownunder - 275

Probably a lot of double-up between them.

David.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

So far no negative responses. We'll do some trialing to make sure Discourse is 
all it says.

We do need to decide as a group of we wish to continue the focus on Aussie 
dotnet Devs, or expand it to include other Aussie developers. Is there a 
difference these days? Naming is important and refactoring is harder when it 
involves a domain name.

What do people self promote as these days? Is it still fine calling yourself a 
DotNet developer when we spend so much time with so many other things these 
days?

Personally I still identify as a .Net developer so think we should stick with 
the name we have (even though other topics are often discussed).
Just thought I'd ask in case there are other opinions.

cheers,
Stephen

On 4 Apr. 2017 7:07 am, Glen Harvy  wrote:
I know I don't contribute much but I do support the move although the move will 
likely not increase participation in itself.

If you want to increase participation then we will need to promote the echoes 
and if at all possible gain some support from generous benefactors. Getting a 
web site presence is step 1 as far as I can suggest.

Glen.

On 3/04/2017 4:30 PM, Stephen Price wrote:

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David!

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list.

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone)

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago.

Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not.

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up.

I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my entire 
developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and screaming 
into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie developers both 
existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd like to be able to 
give back to it.

Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a 
graphic design degree)...

Discuss.
Stephen

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Glen Harvy]

I know I don't contribute much but I do support the move although the 
move will likely not increase participation in itself.


If you want to increase participation then we will need to promote the 
echoes and if at all possible gain some support from generous 
benefactors. Getting a web site presence is step 1 as far as I can suggest.


Glen.

On 3/04/2017 4:30 PM, Stephen Price wrote:


It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting 
of the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!



For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's 
the entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to 
measure. I expect David would have a way to tell how many people are 
still on the list.


I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our 
own community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums 
might better suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people 
subscribed...).


As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. 
ie It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. 
The Admin list seems to be gone)


I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And 
Free. And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery 
out of the box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. 
Ticks all the boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.


Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/ 



I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's 
all up and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few 
different topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. 
Except Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?


Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? 
It would be a good time to get one if not.


The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, 
but if we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me 
and David?) assistance would be good, just put your hand up.


I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my 
entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it 
kicking and screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for 
fellow Aussie developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big 
community and I'd like to be able to give back to it.


Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd 
doing a graphic design degree)...


Discuss.
Stephen

Re: SPA decision

[David Connors]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 05:57 Greg Keogh  wrote:

>
> Don't laugh, I was mentally caught up in the "fad" of SPAs, probably
> because there are so many articles, meetups and discussions of the subject
> around me.
>

I personally can't wait to see the MVC versions of Google Maps and GMail.

David.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: SPA decision

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Lol "classic asp.net mvc".
> It depends on what the client wants obviously but we've found mvc suits
> best for most projects we work on.
>

Don't laugh, I was mentally caught up in the "fad" of SPAs, probably
because there are so many articles, meetups and discussions of the subject
around me. Even the last few MSDN magazines have been flogging MEAN, and I
got some free credits to watch Plualsight videos on Angular (which helped
sway my opinion!). The web app we're proposing doesn't need snappy
client-side interaction so the "classic" ASP.NET model is fine. Although a
sprinkle of jQuery or similar could be used to avoid stupid trivial
postbacks -- *GK*

Re: SPA decision

[DotNet Dude]

Lol "classic asp.net mvc".

It depends on what the client wants obviously but we've found mvc suits
best for most projects we work on.

On Sunday, 2 April 2017, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I've been reading the results of search for things like "SPA vs
> ASP.NET" and "why use SPA" etc etc. I have come to the conclusion that JS
> driven SPAs are not all they're cracked up to be, and the cons outweigh the
> pros. I'd even go so far as to say that SPAs are a fad, and even worse,
> that they're the misguided use of languages (JS) and hacks (async http) in
> inappropriate ways.
>
> I'm going to write a demo ASP.NET MVC app for the boss, and it will be a
> hybrid that a lot of articles hint that is the best way to go. JS scripting
> will be involved, but only in libraries that use it internally, and I'll
> only use it to create popular UI illusions like menus and dialogs. So after
> all my pondering and reading it looks like going back to a classic ASP.NET
> MVC based hybrid is best for me.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Wallace Turner]

i'll all for the move... maybe we'll get fresh new minds into the
discussion to banter with the dinosaurs

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> You'll be fine Greg. [image: ]
>
> It has an email interface which shouldn't have any Javascript at all. This
> depends on your email reader, of course, but you don't use Javascript on
> that do you?
>
>
> I look forward to our world-class experts moving to the new platform so
> they can help the budding new developers joining. Shoulders of giants and
> all that good motivational stuff.
>
>
> I do like the self moderating functionality that it has. The more you
> participate, the more the system trusts you. Cuts down on the spammers a
> heap, I believe.
>
>
> To address the hosting point, I believe we self host currently (on the
> Codify servers), but perhaps a cloud hosted option would make it more
> scale-able. I'm sure we can find something that won't break the bank.
>
>
> Regarding the excitement in your email about the fact Discourse is written
> in Javascript and Ember.js, I can see you won't be able to contain yourself
> and will contribute to the codebase on Sunday mornings, right?
>
>
> cheers
>
> Stephen
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Greg Keogh 
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 April 2017 3:33:36 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
> Steve, a brave suggestion. This group's traffic has decreased dramatically
> in recent years. I presume we're all world-class experts now and don't need
> to ask questions that often! A fresh forum with a modern UI and features
> sounds quite attractive, as opposed to an old fashioned e-mailing list, but
> we'd have to get all interested people motivated to move and register,
> which as you know with IT people is like herding cats. There are no
> guarantees we'd become more active after the move.
>
> Discourse looks a little bit like Meetup, or the Xamarin forums. I suppose
> privacy is the same or better, as all posts to this group are somehow
> indexed and turn up in searches, but Discourse has private groups which I
> expect won't get indexed.
>
> Oh, I just noticed you have to host it yourself, or pay for their hosting.
>
> Double-Oh! I just read this:
> What was it built with? 
>
> Discourse is a JavaScript application that runs in your web browser,
> using the Ember.js  framework.
>
> Cheers,
> *Greg K*
>
> On 3 April 2017 at 17:00, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
>> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>>
>> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's
>> the entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
>> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
>> list.
>>
>> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
>> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
>> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>>
>> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
>> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
>> list seems to be gone)
>>
>> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
>> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
>> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
>> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>>
>> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>>
>> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all
>> up and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
>> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
>> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>>
>> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>>
>> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
>> would be a good time to get one if not.
>>
>> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but
>> if we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and
>> David?) assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>>
>> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
>> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
>> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
>> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
>> like to be able to give back to it.
>>
>> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
>> graphic design degree)...
>>
>> Discuss.
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

You'll be fine Greg. []

It has an email interface which shouldn't have any Javascript at all. This 
depends on your email reader, of course, but you don't use Javascript on that 
do you?


I look forward to our world-class experts moving to the new platform so they 
can help the budding new developers joining. Shoulders of giants and all that 
good motivational stuff.


I do like the self moderating functionality that it has. The more you 
participate, the more the system trusts you. Cuts down on the spammers a heap, 
I believe.


To address the hosting point, I believe we self host currently (on the Codify 
servers), but perhaps a cloud hosted option would make it more scale-able. I'm 
sure we can find something that won't break the bank.


Regarding the excitement in your email about the fact Discourse is written in 
Javascript and Ember.js, I can see you won't be able to contain yourself and 
will contribute to the codebase on Sunday mornings, right?


cheers

Stephen


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Keogh 
Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 3:33:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

Steve, a brave suggestion. This group's traffic has decreased dramatically in 
recent years. I presume we're all world-class experts now and don't need to ask 
questions that often! A fresh forum with a modern UI and features sounds quite 
attractive, as opposed to an old fashioned e-mailing list, but we'd have to get 
all interested people motivated to move and register, which as you know with IT 
people is like herding cats. There are no guarantees we'd become more active 
after the move.

Discourse looks a little bit like Meetup, or the Xamarin forums. I suppose 
privacy is the same or better, as all posts to this group are somehow indexed 
and turn up in searches, but Discourse has private groups which I expect won't 
get indexed.

Oh, I just noticed you have to host it yourself, or pay for their hosting.

Double-Oh! I just read this:
What was it built with?

Discourse is a JavaScript application that runs in your web browser, using the 
Ember.js framework.

Cheers,
Greg K

On 3 April 2017 at 17:00, Stephen Price 
> wrote:

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David!

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list.

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone)

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago.

Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not.

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up.

I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my entire 
developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and screaming 
into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie developers both 
existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd like to be able to 
give back to it.

Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a 
graphic design degree)...

Discuss.
Stephen

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Greg Keogh]

Steve, a brave suggestion. This group's traffic has decreased dramatically
in recent years. I presume we're all world-class experts now and don't need
to ask questions that often! A fresh forum with a modern UI and features
sounds quite attractive, as opposed to an old fashioned e-mailing list, but
we'd have to get all interested people motivated to move and register,
which as you know with IT people is like herding cats. There are no
guarantees we'd become more active after the move.

Discourse looks a little bit like Meetup, or the Xamarin forums. I suppose
privacy is the same or better, as all posts to this group are somehow
indexed and turn up in searches, but Discourse has private groups which I
expect won't get indexed.

Oh, I just noticed you have to host it yourself, or pay for their hosting.

Double-Oh! I just read this:
What was it built with? 

Discourse is a JavaScript application that runs in your web browser, using
the Ember.js  framework.

Cheers,
*Greg K*

On 3 April 2017 at 17:00, Stephen Price  wrote:

> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>
> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the
> entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
> list.
>
> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>
> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
> list seems to be gone)
>
> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>
> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up
> and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>
> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>
> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
> would be a good time to get one if not.
>
> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if
> we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?)
> assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>
> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
> like to be able to give back to it.
>
> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
> graphic design degree)...
>
> Discuss.
> Stephen
>
>

Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David!

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list.

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone)

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago.

Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not.

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up.

I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my entire 
developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and screaming 
into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie developers both 
existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd like to be able to 
give back to it.

Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a 
graphic design degree)...

Discuss.
Stephen