Re: Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit Bucket / Other ???

[Stephen Price]

Hello Mr Groggy. 

I've been using github for everything. I don't use the in built VS tools except 
for comparing history. I used to use beyond compare but the VS context tends to 
make the diff more useful than a pure text diff.

I use the command line for everything. A team leader suggested I learn the cmd 
line git and don't even install the VS git extensions (it was optional back 
then) and for 99% of stuff command line is what I understand.
I sometimes use Gitkraken for visualising branches and diffs of branches.

I do have some code in VisualStudio.com but its essentially an upstream 
duplication of what's in my github. Work in github world and occasionally push 
upstream so client has their copy.

Use what works until it doesn't. Good luck!

cheers
Stephen

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Greg Harris 
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 10:02 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit Bucket 
/ Other ???


Hello Again Community,

I am disappointed with my 
https://MyAccountName.visualstudio.com/_git/MySolutionName
 repository on VisualStudio.com.

It is feeling clunky and just not working for me from within Visual Studio.

What tools are people using for secure private cloud source control with what 
client tools?

I am feeling that Visual Studio is not the tool to use to manage my source 
code, it may be okay as an editor / compiler, but it just does not integrate 
well with the repository, are there better solutions, or am I just failing to 
read the manual properly?

Thanks for your help on this :-)

Groggy Harris

RE: Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit Bucket / Other ???

[Dr Greg Low]

I use VS daily, connected to Azure Repos as part of Azure DevOps. Works great. 
And for up to 5 users, you get all of Azure DevOps free.

You could use GitHub of course, but for most projects that I’m doing in VS, 
that’s just not needed, and AzDO is a better tool right now anyway. (IMHO)

Regards,

Greg

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of David Gardiner
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:13 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit 
Bucket / Other ???

To be honest I don't really use the Git integration in Visual Studio.

I tend to use a combination of the git command line (with tab completion via 
posh-git), TortoiseGit for some things (like reviewing the commit log history 
and comparing branches), and more recently the GitLens extension for Visual 
Studio Code, which makes interactive rebasing a bit friendlier.

As far as remote Git repositories, Azure DevOps and GitHub both work well for 
me.

David

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 11:32, Greg Harris 
mailto:harris.gre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Again Community,

I am disappointed with my 
https://MyAccountName.visualstudio.com/_git/MySolutionName
 repository on VisualStudio.com.

It is feeling clunky and just not working for me from within Visual Studio.

What tools are people using for secure private cloud source control with what 
client tools?

I am feeling that Visual Studio is not the tool to use to manage my source 
code, it may be okay as an editor / compiler, but it just does not integrate 
well with the repository, are there better solutions, or am I just failing to 
read the manual properly?

Thanks for your help on this :-)

Groggy Harris

Re: Problem with VisualStudio.com repository from VS

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Anything where I need to be clever (use the UI), is the desktop app that
> connects with the API or database directly.
> This means that my users have two UI's to deal with (what a pain).
>

I also try to find a desktop solution where possible first. I would only
fall back to server-side web app if there was no other choice, and I would
people involved that the UI would be relatively dumb and it would take 10
times longers to create the finished app.

After the way we were burnt by MS over Silverlight, I am being very slow
> about going down the Blazor path now.
> Like you, I burnt so much time, money and effort on Silverlight, not going
> to try that again until I see strong community support.
> (I thought I saw strong community support for Silverlight, so don't
> trust my views on this).
>

Well, I don't really point the finger of blame at Microsoft directly. The
platform for the Silverlight plug-in was pulled out from under everyone,
including Microsoft. I'm not sure if their full power and influence could
have saved Silverlight and everything that supported it on all platforms. I
was more angry at the way it just dropped like a hot poo and was painted
out of history (like people in those old group photos with Stalin). Our 15
year old serious SL5 app is almost replaced now with a Blazor app, but we
had to buy lots of expensive Telerik and GrapeCity components to replace
the right SL UI, and still it's nowhere near as good.

I think the support for Webassembly and Blazor is strong enough now to make
me feel comfortable. I've got one pretty serious app published now and I
know people who have really big Blazor apps out there. I think the only
Blazor-killer that might come along will be something really orthogonal and
new that finally breaks us out of HTML5 in the browser. I'll be waiting...

*Greg K*

Re: Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit Bucket / Other ???

[David Gardiner]

To be honest I don't really use the Git integration in Visual Studio.

I tend to use a combination of the git command line (with tab completion
via posh-git), TortoiseGit for some things (like reviewing the commit log
history and comparing branches), and more recently the GitLens extension
for Visual Studio Code, which makes interactive rebasing a bit friendlier.

As far as remote Git repositories, Azure DevOps and GitHub both work well
for me.

David

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 11:32, Greg Harris  wrote:

> Hello Again Community,
>
> I am disappointed with my
> https://MyAccountName.visualstudio.com/_git/MySolutionName
>  repository
> on VisualStudio.com.
>
> It is feeling clunky and just not working for me from within Visual
> Studio.
>
> What tools are people using for secure private cloud source control with
> what client tools?
>
> I am feeling that Visual Studio is not the tool to use to manage my source
> code, it may be okay as an editor / compiler, but it just does not
> integrate well with the repository, are there better solutions, or am I
> just failing to read the manual properly?
>
> Thanks for your help on this :-)
>
> Groggy Harris
>

Online source code management tools - GIT / Visual Studio / Bit Bucket / Other ???

[Greg Harris]

Hello Again Community,

I am disappointed with my
https://MyAccountName.visualstudio.com/_git/MySolutionName
 repository on
VisualStudio.com.

It is feeling clunky and just not working for me from within Visual Studio.

What tools are people using for secure private cloud source control with
what client tools?

I am feeling that Visual Studio is not the tool to use to manage my source
code, it may be okay as an editor / compiler, but it just does not
integrate well with the repository, are there better solutions, or am I
just failing to read the manual properly?

Thanks for your help on this :-)

Groggy Harris

Re: Problem with VisualStudio.com repository from VS

[Greg Harris]

Hi Greg,

I feel that Microsoft had such a good solution with Silverlight and we are
just starting to get back to where we were 14 years ago now.
My typical solution these days is to offer a mass market solution as a
simple ASP.net web app, but that is just simple tables CRUD stuff.
Anything where I need to be clever (use the UI), is the desktop app that
connects with the API or database directly.
This means that my users have two UI's to deal with (what a pain).

After the way we were burnt by MS over Silverlight, I am being very slow
about going down the Blazor path now.
Like you, I burnt so much time, money and effort on Silverlight, not going
to try that again until I see strong community support.
(I thought I saw strong community support for Silverlight, so don't
trust my views on this).


On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:39 PM Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I am having problems with my
>> https://MyAccountName.visualstudio.com/_git/MySolutionName repository on
>> VisualStudio.com, with Visual Studio, I can not add a second project to the
>> solution and get source control to work!
>>
>
> Maybe that's the "old" uri. My personal repo is at
> https://dev.azure.com/orthogonal/ and I recall some confusion last year
> about  which uri to use. I have an MSDN subscription, which might weaken
> comparisons. Which reminds me ... the damn subscription expires at the end
> of June and I have a $1500 two year renewal dangling over my head. I know
> it's a tax deduction, eventually, but I could buy 20g of pure gold for
> that, or fund a pretty good cocktail party.
>
> It's not Friday but ... Greg H, you and I were big fans of Silverlight
> back in the old days, and there's still nothing to replace it in a web
> browser app. Blazor is mercifully freeing us from the heavyweight complex
> pipeline of ASP.NET server-side hosted apps, and good riddance to them. I
> will never write a server-side web app again, from now on it's Blazor
> Webassembly apps for me. I still have to create WebAPI RESTful services
> to drive the Blazor apps, but at least they're mostly boilerplate. The
> alternative data driver is Azure Function Apps, which I prefer to use
> whenever possible.
>
> Blazor is a great step forward, but all rendering is still done via the
> horrifyingly dumb and confusing constraints of HTML and CSS. Last weekend I
> spent the whole afternoon trying to make a HTML "splitter" work and gave up
> in tears, for now. How easy was that in the Silverlight rendering engine?!
>
> I'm also depressed that the arrival of MAUI doesn't address the web
> browser (does it?)
>
> *Greg K*
>