Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

I actually ended up getting this zenbook flip. Requirements matched what I
was after and can't complain about the price. Going well so far. Battery
has been pretty impressive. Thanks for the tip!

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Hey Tom,
> Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
> currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
> else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
> to. A good number of ports too.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter  > wrote:
>
>> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude > > wrote:
>>
>>> What are your requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
 designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
 at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...

 On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
 wrote:

> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Scott Barnes]

So I'm using the top-of-the-line Surface Book at the moment in my new gig.
I must confess, the laptop has made a positive impression on me,
specifically given I'm a visual thinker (who likes to sketch note in
meetings). I will, however, say that the Pen sucks via OneNote but picks up
its strength again via other products like Autodesk Sketch. There is still
too much latency for the Pen which is a trigger for me.

The in/out of tablet mode is buggy, and while I'd put that towards Windows
10 as being at fault, however, the Surface product line can't play the game
of "it's not our fault, it's the OS" given if it's paired up against Apple
the lines of ownership should in this context encompass OS + Hardware
combined.

Performance wise, it can handle large amounts of computation while not
getting so hot that I can't touch the keyboard. So far its heat signature
is on par with my Macbook Pro (which I bought 1x month ago as well).

I'm not convinced to give up Macbook Pro entirely as whilst I enjoy the
detachable tablet mode, it's not something that I'd miss if it were removed
tomorrow  yet..


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Nope still haven't got one, using the old lady's to get by. Will check it
> out. Cheers
>
>
> On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> Hey Tom,
>> Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
>> currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
>> else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
>> to. A good number of ports too.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What are your requirements?


 On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

Be mindful that has a m7 processor – not an i7.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:38 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

Nope still haven't got one, using the old lady's to get by. Will check it out. 
Cheers

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Tom,
Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal 
currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere 
else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need to. A 
good number of ports too.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> 
wrote:
i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max


On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','adotnetd...@gmail.com');>> 
wrote:
What are your requirements?


On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> 
wrote:
Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the designers 
did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked at so many 
laptops now that I'm over it all...

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks


On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Nope still haven't got one, using the old lady's to get by. Will check it
out. Cheers

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Hey Tom,
> Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
> currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
> else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
> to. A good number of ports too.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter  > wrote:
>
>> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude > > wrote:
>>
>>> What are your requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
 designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
 at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...

 On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
 wrote:

> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[DotNet Dude]

Hey Tom,
Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
to. A good number of ports too.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> What are your requirements?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks


 On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

>>>
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Did some googling. Seems like this isn’t just a problem with Surface Book? 
Threads on answers.microsoft.com (like this one: 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfbook-surfperf/laggy-low-fps-performance-for-windows-10-ui-on/284760ee-3b16-4ece-9064-4b1428b5c4f7)
 have people with other models also complaining.

I don’t use any UWP apps. And I don’t have this issue when I plug an external 
monitor into my SB. This is my second SB, and I’ve never had this issue AFAICT. 
Lots of other issues that were gradually resolved over time (Standby etc. not 
working, blue screens etc.) but not this one.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

No there is literal UI performance issues (scrolling is slow, lagging), put in 
“UI performance surface book” and you’ll see that lots of people are running 
into it.

What your suggesting below might work for a desktop – it doesn’t work for a 
laptop that isn’t always connected to an external monitor.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:02 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

The “look” of items is different to performance (lag with updates, screen 
tearing etc.)

I’ve set the scaling specifically for each monitor I have (rather than relying 
on Windows to “auto-pick”) so each time I plug in a previously identified 
monitor, I get the same experience.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Bec C]

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>
>
 Try affordablelaptops.com.au. You'll get something way more powerful for
the price. They don't look very sexy though


>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude  > wrote:
>
>> What are your requirements?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks


 On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

>>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[DotNet Dude]

On Wednesday, 5 July 2017, mike smith  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude  > wrote:
>
>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>
>>
>> Is it a soft key that you can disable?  I've got a power key on my
> logitech wireless kb that I've disabled for that reason
>
> Of course but that doesn't make it right ;)

>
>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[罗格雷格博士]

Yep, been ok, but mostly use it with a mouse anyway

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 1:28 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

How is the touchpad on the spectre?

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
<g...@greglow.com<mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:
100% agree. Have an HP 360 Spectre i7 (quite like it BTW) but needing to dongle 
to get LTE is a pain in the neck. (1st world problem) Love my P50 with built-in 
fast LTE.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410<tel:+61%20419%20201%20410> 
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913<tel:+61%203%208676%204913> fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:23 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 at 10:04 Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen capability 
and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a microsoft laptop was 
so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with

Lack of LTE is a deal-breaker for me on the MS lappies. Yes, you can tether or 
carry a WiFI dongle with you - but one you've experienced the convenience of 
onboard LTE you never go back.

It boggles my mind how their hardware people don't put modems in these devices 
when MS is so committed to the cloud.

David.

--
David Connors
da...@connors.com<mailto:da...@connors.com> | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 
417 189 363<tel:+61%20417%20189%20363>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

How is the touchpad on the spectre?

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) <g...@greglow.com> wrote:

> 100% agree. Have an HP 360 Spectre i7 (quite like it BTW) but needing to
> dongle to get LTE is a pain in the neck. (1st world problem) Love my P50
> with built-in fast LTE.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <+61%20419%20201%20410>
> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <+61%203%208676%204913> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:23 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 at 10:04 Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen
> capability and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a
> microsoft laptop was so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with
>
>
>
> Lack of LTE is a deal-breaker for me on the MS lappies. Yes, you can
> tether or carry a WiFI dongle with you - but one you've experienced the
> convenience of onboard LTE you never go back.
>
>
>
> It boggles my mind how their hardware people don't put modems in these
> devices when MS is so committed to the cloud.
>
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
> <+61%20417%20189%20363>
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

No there is literal UI performance issues (scrolling is slow, lagging), put in 
“UI performance surface book” and you’ll see that lots of people are running 
into it.

What your suggesting below might work for a desktop – it doesn’t work for a 
laptop that isn’t always connected to an external monitor.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:02 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

The “look” of items is different to performance (lag with updates, screen 
tearing etc.)

I’ve set the scaling specifically for each monitor I have (rather than relying 
on Windows to “auto-pick”) so each time I plug in a previously identified 
monitor, I get the same experience.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[罗格雷格博士]

100% agree. Have an HP 360 Spectre i7 (quite like it BTW) but needing to dongle 
to get LTE is a pain in the neck. (1st world problem) Love my P50 with built-in 
fast LTE.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:23 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 at 10:04 Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen capability 
and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a microsoft laptop was 
so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with

Lack of LTE is a deal-breaker for me on the MS lappies. Yes, you can tether or 
carry a WiFI dongle with you - but one you've experienced the convenience of 
onboard LTE you never go back.

It boggles my mind how their hardware people don't put modems in these devices 
when MS is so committed to the cloud.

David.

--
David Connors
da...@connors.com<mailto:da...@connors.com> | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 
417 189 363

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Connors]

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 at 10:04 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen
> capability and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a
> microsoft laptop was so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with
>

Lack of LTE is a deal-breaker for me on the MS lappies. Yes, you can tether
or carry a WiFI dongle with you - but one you've experienced the
convenience of onboard LTE you never go back.

It boggles my mind how their hardware people don't put modems in these
devices when MS is so committed to the cloud.

David.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen
capability and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a
microsoft laptop was so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Scott Barnes  wrote:

> Why buy a Surface over other laptops. Putting aside the alligances to
> Microsoft given the craft we choose, in all honesty what is it that sets it
> apart from competiting products.
>
> I look at it and I'm just unsure. I typically keep 1-2 laptops with me at
> any given time, because most of my tooling is OSX based but at the same
> time I prefer to write C# code on a Windows Machine (Parallels is fine for
> minor work etc). I'll buy both and have done, but i'm at a point where I'm
> about to swap out a PC laptop for potentially the Surface Pro (for Coding
> only)...so...why buy?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> What are your requirements?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks


 On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

>>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Scott Barnes]

Why buy a Surface over other laptops. Putting aside the alligances to
Microsoft given the craft we choose, in all honesty what is it that sets it
apart from competiting products.

I look at it and I'm just unsure. I typically keep 1-2 laptops with me at
any given time, because most of my tooling is OSX based but at the same
time I prefer to write C# code on a Windows Machine (Parallels is fine for
minor work etc). I'll buy both and have done, but i'm at a point where I'm
about to swap out a PC laptop for potentially the Surface Pro (for Coding
only)...so...why buy?


On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> What are your requirements?
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
 My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

 Cheers

>>>
>>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> What are your requirements?
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
 My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

 Cheers

>>>
>>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[DotNet Dude]

What are your requirements?

On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude  > wrote:
>
>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

The “look” of items is different to performance (lag with updates, screen 
tearing etc.)

I’ve set the scaling specifically for each monitor I have (rather than relying 
on Windows to “auto-pick”) so each time I plug in a previously identified 
monitor, I get the same experience.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

Yes it’s an OS problem which I believe based on whether Windows boots with the 
primary monitor as high-DPI or not.  I’ve not confirmed if this is fixed in 
Anniversary Update, as I just stopped connecting my surface to external 
monitors after I got a dedicated dev box.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Greg Wood]

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with
the screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go
and connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to
make it look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no
dock needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:

> Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw
> rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares
> about how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this
> would be a Microsoft OS problem surely?
>
>
>
> FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K
> monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of
> different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first
> I’ve ever heard of this issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Kean
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> (I work for Microsoft)
>
>
>
> I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.
>
>
>
> First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very
> different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I
> thought). Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book
> (mind you this is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really
> nice on the hands and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found
> my Surface Book lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and
> UI performance really sucked if you connected an external monitor that
> wasn’t the same DPI – I suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
> *Sent:* Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
>
>
> Cheers
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to make another laptop thread, was only
asking about the surface laptop.
You are right about the good laptop myth though

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could
> almost make the list about them. :)
>
> My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's
> the aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if
> it runs better.
>
> Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable
> and the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud.
> Getting support on that which is delayed due to timezones.
>
> I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.
>
> On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>
>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Connors]

I just refreshed to a Lenovo X1 Yoga Gen2. Very, very nice.

On Mon., 3 Jul. 2017, 4:46 pm Stephen Price, 
wrote:

> We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could
> almost make the list about them. :)
>
> My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's
> the aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if
> it runs better.
>
> Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable
> and the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud.
> Getting support on that which is delayed due to timezones.
>
> I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.
>
> On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Stephen Price]

We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could almost 
make the list about them. :)

My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's the 
aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if it runs 
better.

Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable and 
the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud. Getting 
support on that which is delayed due to timezones.

I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.

On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Bec C]

No Dell ++

On Monday, 3 July 2017, Greg Harris  wrote:

> *Strong recommendation not a DELL!*
> DELL took my working machine, broke it in a service call and would not
> take responsibility for the breakage!
> They knew it was not worth my time to take it any further!
> Now I will never buy a DELL again!
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tom Rutter  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Greg Harris]

*Strong recommendation not a DELL!*
DELL took my working machine, broke it in a service call and would not take
responsibility for the breakage!
They knew it was not worth my time to take it any further!
Now I will never buy a DELL again!

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[DotNet Dude]

Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks

On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

[OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers