Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
I like it! The company issued box I work on is pretty crap. Would love to be able to use my own. Buckles chance that that will happen though - it goes against the nature of the control freak... On 29 March 2011 10:11, Paul Stovell wrote: > I think this is pretty exciting: > > > > The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest > insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their > company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and > smartphones into the enterprise network. > > > > "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their > Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the > device they feel the most productive in. > > > > "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and > retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire > them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have > infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. > > > > From The Australian: > > > > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 > > > > >
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
Reminds me of a time back in the early 2000's when a uni wanted to do this. Didn't happen though On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: > I think this is pretty exciting: > > > > The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest > insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their > company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and > smartphones into the enterprise network. > > > > "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their > Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the > device they feel the most productive in. > > > > "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain > top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them > to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have > infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. > > > > From The Australian: > > > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 > > > >
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be through the Citrix portal. Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) Simon On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: I think this is pretty exciting: The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and smartphones into the enterprise network. "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the device they feel the most productive in. "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. From The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car == no job, may become no laptop == no job. Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh wrote: > Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open > slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it > into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network > will be through the Citrix portal. > > Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop > and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) > > Simon > > > On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: > > I think this is pretty exciting: > > > > The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest > insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their > company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and > smartphones into the enterprise network. > > > > "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their > Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the > device they feel the most productive in. > > > > "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and > retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire > them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have > infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. > > > > From The Australian: > > > > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 > > > > > >
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it there, laptop maybe... Good on suncorp for trying something different.. The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev work.. All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life easier.. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining > about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're > not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays > and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which > I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at > work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an > SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D > Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. > Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases > of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) > and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car > == no job, may become no laptop == no job. > > Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops > to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are > contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh wrote: > >> Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open >> slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it >> into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network >> will be through the Citrix portal. >> >> Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered >> laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: >> >> I think this is pretty exciting: >> >> >> >> The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest >> insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their >> company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and >> smartphones into the enterprise network. >> >> >> >> "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in >> their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the >> device they feel the most productive in. >> >> >> >> "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and >> retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire >> them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have >> infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. >> >> >> >> From The Australian: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 >> >> >> >> >> >> >
RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I'm failing to see why this is a good thing. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it there, laptop maybe... Good on suncorp for trying something different.. The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev work.. All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life easier.. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@littlevoices.com>> wrote: I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car == no job, may become no laptop == no job. Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh mailto:smha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be through the Citrix portal. Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) Simon On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: I think this is pretty exciting: The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and smartphones into the enterprise network. "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the device they feel the most productive in. "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. >From The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
It's also justification to make people work at home for no extra money. .02c Davy "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." I feel much the same way about xml -Original Message- From: David Kean Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:05:22 To: ozDotNet Reply-To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I'm failing to see why this is a good thing. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it there, laptop maybe... Good on suncorp for trying something different.. The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev work.. All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life easier.. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@littlevoices.com>> wrote: I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car == no job, may become no laptop == no job. Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh mailto:smha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be through the Citrix portal. Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) Simon On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: I think this is pretty exciting: The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and smartphones into the enterprise network. "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the device they feel the most productive in. "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. >From The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean wrote: > Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m > failing to see why this is a good thing. > I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through citrix all day. Pass. Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the other way around. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m >> failing to see why this is a good thing. >> > > I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring > their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through > citrix all day. > > Pass. > > Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for > some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the > other way around. > > It sounds like cost saving to me. But in many enterprises I have worked at the developers get the same crappy SEO machine the receptionist or accounts do, some 3 year old P4 or similar. This is often woefully inadequate to do the job, I would gladly bring my own in. Craig
RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants drop their machines on their network. From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and productivity suite. My 2c Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net<mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net> | W: www.readify.net<http://www.readify.net/> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM To: ozDotNet Cc: David Kean Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote: Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m failing to see why this is a good thing. I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET<http://VS.NET> through citrix all day. Pass. Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the other way around. -- David Connors | da...@codify.com<mailto:da...@codify.com> | www.codify.com<http://www.codify.com> Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact <>
RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp
There’s no way that people are going to be able to use software installed on the laptop to do work. There’s no enterprise, especially a bank, that would allow such a thing (banks, especially, have regulatory requirements to meet). I’m going to strongly suspect that access to company apps will be via a VPN and thin client software. The VPN will inspect the machine and make sure it’s compliant with some baseline security policy (like having the company’s AV software installed) and then the thin client software (Citrix, whatever) will be used to publish the company’s apps. If you don’t bring your own laptop, you’ll get the company provided one. If you want to choose your own laptop because you prefer to have something faster, or with a bigger screen or what-have-you, then you’re welcome to bring that. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 5:49 AM To: ozDotNet Cc: David Kean Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants drop their machines on their network. From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and productivity suite. My 2c Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net<mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net> | W: www.readify.net<http://www.readify.net/> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM To: ozDotNet Cc: David Kean Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote: Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m failing to see why this is a good thing. I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET<http://VS.NET> through citrix all day. Pass. Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the other way around. <>
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Hi Ken, You are probably right in the first instance. They definitely looking at virtualised desktops from the way that article reads, but then they have statements like this: There will be no restrictions -- products that ran on platforms by Microsoft, Apple, Google and others were all welcome, he said. Regardless, it’s a pretty gutsy move for a financial organisation which are generally quite conservative. So the general trend is interesting. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net<mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net> | W: www.readify.net<http://www.readify.net/> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 9:52 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp There’s no way that people are going to be able to use software installed on the laptop to do work. There’s no enterprise, especially a bank, that would allow such a thing (banks, especially, have regulatory requirements to meet). I’m going to strongly suspect that access to company apps will be via a VPN and thin client software. The VPN will inspect the machine and make sure it’s compliant with some baseline security policy (like having the company’s AV software installed) and then the thin client software (Citrix, whatever) will be used to publish the company’s apps. If you don’t bring your own laptop, you’ll get the company provided one. If you want to choose your own laptop because you prefer to have something faster, or with a bigger screen or what-have-you, then you’re welcome to bring that. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 5:49 AM To: ozDotNet Cc: David Kean Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants drop their machines on their network. From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and productivity suite. My 2c Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net<mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net> | W: www.readify.net<http://www.readify.net/> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 A
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The article says Citrix "and open source". Hands up who wants to run VS.NET over Citrix. WPF app development would be *awesome*. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Mitch Denny wrote: > Hi Ken, > > > > You are probably right in the first instance. They definitely looking at > virtualised desktops from the way that article reads, but then they have > statements like this: > > > > There will be no restrictions -- products that ran on > platforms by Microsoft, Apple, Google and others were all welcome, he said. > > > > Regardless, it’s a pretty gutsy move for a financial organisation which are > generally quite conservative. So the general trend is interesting. > > > > Regards > > *Mitch Denny > *Readify | Chief Technology Officer > > Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 > | Australia > > M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.net > > [image: Description: Description: cid:image006.png@01CAF06E.1EF9B2F0] > > The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential > communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for > the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended > addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this > material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and > any attachment(s). > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer > *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 9:52 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > > *Subject:* RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp > > > > There’s no way that people are going to be able to use software installed > on the laptop to do work. There’s no enterprise, especially a bank, that > would allow such a thing (banks, especially, have regulatory requirements to > meet). > > > > I’m going to strongly suspect that access to company apps will be via a VPN > and thin client software. The VPN will inspect the machine and make sure > it’s compliant with some baseline security policy (like having the company’s > AV software installed) and then the thin client software (Citrix, whatever) > will be used to publish the company’s apps. > > > > If you don’t bring your own laptop, you’ll get the company provided one. If > you want to choose your own laptop because you prefer to have something > faster, or with a bigger screen or what-have-you, then you’re welcome to > bring that. > > > > Cheers > Ken > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Denny > *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 5:49 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Cc:* David Kean > *Subject:* RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp > > > > I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is > that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with > complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things > much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their > desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants > drop their machines on their network. > > > > From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be > open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their > environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. > It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. > > > > The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp > might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some > licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad > working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for > Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. > > > > So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as > well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I > would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much > buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts > quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built > around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. > > > > They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce > compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and > productivity suite. > > > > My 2c > > > > Regards > > *Mitch Denny > *Readify | Chief Technology Officer
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I suspect this isn’t for everyone in the bank. There will be travelling people who won’t always have a connection back to the DC (e.g. those on planes), developers/sys admins, certain execs. There’ll be other options for those people. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 7:38 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp The article says Citrix "and open source". Hands up who wants to run VS.NET<http://VS.NET> over Citrix. WPF app development would be *awesome*. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Mitch Denny mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net>> wrote: Hi Ken, You are probably right in the first instance. They definitely looking at virtualised desktops from the way that article reads, but then they have statements like this: There will be no restrictions -- products that ran on platforms by Microsoft, Apple, Google and others were all welcome, he said. Regardless, it’s a pretty gutsy move for a financial organisation which are generally quite conservative. So the general trend is interesting. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net<mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net> | W: www.readify.net<http://www.readify.net/> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 9:52 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp There’s no way that people are going to be able to use software installed on the laptop to do work. There’s no enterprise, especially a bank, that would allow such a thing (banks, especially, have regulatory requirements to meet). I’m going to strongly suspect that access to company apps will be via a VPN and thin client software. The VPN will inspect the machine and make sure it’s compliant with some baseline security policy (like having the company’s AV software installed) and then the thin client software (Citrix, whatever) will be used to publish the company’s apps. If you don’t bring your own laptop, you’ll get the company provided one. If you want to choose your own laptop because you prefer to have something faster, or with a bigger screen or what-have-you, then you’re welcome to bring that. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 5:49 AM To: ozDotNet Cc: David Kean Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants drop their machines on their network. From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and productivity suite. My 2c Regard
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Why would you get paid extra to work at home? On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, wrote: > It's also justification to make people work at home for no extra money. > > .02c > > Davy > > "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." I feel > much the same way about xml > -- > *From: * David Kean > *Sender: * ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com > *Date: *Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:05:22 + > *To: *ozDotNet > *ReplyTo: * ozDotNet > *Subject: *RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp > > Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m > failing to see why this is a good thing. > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant Molloy > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp > > > > The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it > there, laptop maybe... > > Good on suncorp for trying something different.. > > The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the > standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev > work.. > > > > All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. > > They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k > through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life > easier.. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price > wrote: > > I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining > about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're > not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays > and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which > I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at > work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an > SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D > > Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. > Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases > of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) > and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car > == no job, may become no laptop == no job. > > > > Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops > to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are > contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh wrote: > > Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather > policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the > network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be > through the Citrix portal. > > Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop > and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) > > Simon > > > > On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: > > I think this is pretty exciting: > > > > The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest > insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their > company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and > smartphones into the enterprise network. > > > > "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their > Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the > device they feel the most productive in. > > > > "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and > retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire > them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have > infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. > > > > From The Australian: > > > > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 > > > > > > > > > -- w: http://jcooney.net t: @josephcooney
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Isn't that why a lot of companies give people laptops?.. So they work for free.. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 9:38 PM To: djones...@gmail.com; ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Why would you get paid extra to work at home? On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, mailto:djones...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's also justification to make people work at home for no extra money. .02c Davy "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." I feel much the same way about xml From: David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:05:22 + To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> ReplyTo: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I'm failing to see why this is a good thing. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it there, laptop maybe... Good on suncorp for trying something different.. The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev work.. All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life easier.. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@littlevoices.com>> wrote: I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car == no job, may become no laptop == no job. Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh mailto:smha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be through the Citrix portal. Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) Simon On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: I think this is pretty exciting: The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and smartphones into the enterprise network. "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the device they feel the most productive in. "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. >From The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 -- w: http://jcooney.net t: @josephcooney
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I think you're thinking of Blackberries ;-) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 6:58 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Isn't that why a lot of companies give people laptops?.. So they work for free.. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2011 9:38 PM To: djones...@gmail.com; ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Why would you get paid extra to work at home? On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, mailto:djones...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's also justification to make people work at home for no extra money. .02c Davy "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." I feel much the same way about xml From: David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:05:22 + To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> ReplyTo: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I'm failing to see why this is a good thing. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it there, laptop maybe... Good on suncorp for trying something different.. The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev work.. All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life easier.. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@littlevoices.com>> wrote: I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car == no job, may become no laptop == no job. Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh mailto:smha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network will be through the Citrix portal. Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) Simon On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: I think this is pretty exciting: The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and smartphones into the enterprise network. "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the device they feel the most productive in. "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. From The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 -- w: http://jcooney.net t:
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Joseph Cooney wrote: > Why would you get paid extra to work at home? You're leasing them office space and services (power/net) that they do not need to supply at their regular office. Therefore they can use a smaller, cheaper regular office. If you're using your home for this, it could be you're liable for commercial rates of land tax, etc. IANAL or accountant, so the last sentence would need to be qualified with one. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, wrote: >> >> It's also justification to make people work at home for no extra money. >> >> .02c >> >> Davy >> >> "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." I feel >> much the same way about xml >> >> >> From: David Kean >> Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com >> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:05:22 + >> To: ozDotNet >> ReplyTo: ozDotNet >> Subject: RE: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp >> >> Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m >> failing to see why this is a good thing. >> >> >> >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >> On Behalf Of Grant Molloy >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:21 AM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp >> >> >> >> The ideas good, but I wouldn't want to take a home pc to work and leave it >> there, laptop maybe... >> >> Good on suncorp for trying something different.. >> >> The company I work for gave me a Quad Core with 8gb Ram, and then put the >> standard SOE (XP 32 Bit) on it, in which I have to run a VM to do the dev >> work.. >> >> >> >> All ass about as far as I'm concerned.. >> >> They've got the cash to put out for the box, something stupid like $8k >> through their "supplier", but won't give me the environment to make my life >> easier.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Price >> wrote: >> >> I've always thought that if your team are not coming into work complaining >> about how crap their home computer is compared to their work PC then you're >> not looking after your developers. I'm currently working from home Tuesdays >> and Thursdays (the boss thinks productivity is higher if you go dark, which >> I think has some merit). 30" monitor and 27.5" montior at home. 2 x 24" at >> work. Got a newer desktop at work than home... I did have to buy myself an >> SSD drive for my home PC to try to keep up with my work PC. :D >> >> Pertty cool idea people being able to bring their own machines to work. >> Downsides I can see, more people using laptops (possibly more future cases >> of workers comp from hunching over a laptop rather than eye level monitor?) >> and putting the responsibility of your hardware back on the worker. No car >> == no job, may become no laptop == no job. >> >> >> >> Should help cut down situations where people are using 8 year old laptops >> to try to do their job. Man what a way to abuse your staff. unless they are >> contractors of course... (no no, it's ok. I'll take the 1Gb ram machine. ) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Simon Haigh wrote: >> >> Not as exciting as it sounds. Definately not going to be be a open >> slather policy about bringing your favourite device to work and plugging it >> into the network. From what I've heard, all access to the company network >> will be through the Citrix portal. >> >> Still it might be the justification I need to buy a new high powered >> laptop and push a little harder to be able to telecommute. :-) >> >> Simon >> >> On 29/03/2011 7:11 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: >> >> I think this is pretty exciting: >> >> >> >> The BYO (bring your own) device program at one of Australia's largest >> insurers means staff will be able to break free from the shackles of their >> company-issued PCs and plug in their personal laptops, tablets and >> smartphones into the enterprise network. >> >> >> >> "We can supply you with desktops here, but if people want to bring in >> their Macs or other devices, then that's their choice. People should use the >> device they feel the most productive in. >> >> >> >> "It is part of Suncorp's fundamental strategy to attract, develop and >> retain top talent and to give them a great place to work, and try to inspire >> them to do great things." Mr Smith said Suncorp's goal was not to have >> infrastructure be a constraint to people's innovation and ingenuity. >> >> >> >> From The Australian: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/suncorp-goes-byo-in-hardware-as-staff-are-encouraged-to-plug-in-their-devices/story-e6frgakx-1226029655986 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > w: http://jcooney.net > t: @josephcooney > -- Meski "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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Like. That being said, there is gray areas around IP and who owns what etc especially when it comes to Copyright. After just having to deal with a minor skirmish around Copyright ownership with a Govt Dept (I used a throw-away design I did on my blog as an example of metro.. the took offence to it even after i pulled it down once i learnt they were sad...*gasp*), the lesson I learnt is that once you connect to a corporate network the IP in itself becomes yours. As even though some contracts state you have to hand over all work that belongs to blah blah in the end my legal advice given was that because the work defined in around ownership wasn't clear and the fact I used my laptop to produce the work, then unless it was created prior to my arrival i owned copyright both under the Design Act 2003 and Generic Copyright laws (except it was also a dark area given Copyright in Australia basically says that if no agreement is in place you the creator own it automatically unless your doing work for govt... talk about stacking the pack :D). Anyway, I innocently did my thing and didn't think much of it until i get drawn over the coals for copyright all because I connected a laptop to the network that i owned..so...i'd prefer to see how this legally impacts the individuals specifically around IP/Copyright first before I start getting all sugar high on socketing a laptop into the network of a company... (as I type this on my laptop into a company...didn't say i learnt my lesson :D). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Mitch Denny wrote: > I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know is > that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) with > complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes things > much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going through their > desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors and consultants > drop their machines on their network. > > > > From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be > open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their > environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. > It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. > > > > The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp > might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some > licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad > working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for > Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. > > > > So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change as > well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager I > would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as much > buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily impacts > quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be built > around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. > > > > They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce > compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and > productivity suite. > > > > My 2c > > > > Regards > > *Mitch Denny > *Readify | Chief Technology Officer > > Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 > | Australia > > M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.net > > [image: Description: Description: cid:image006.png@01CAF06E.1EF9B2F0] > > The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential > communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for > the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended > addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this > material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and > any attachment(s). > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors > *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Cc:* David Kean > > *Subject:* Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean > wrote: > > Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m > failing to see why this is a good thing. > > > > I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring > their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through > citrix all day. > > > > Pass
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t;> *Readify | Chief Technology Officer >> >> Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 >> | Australia >> >> M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.net >> >> [image: Description: Description: cid:image006.png@01CAF06E.1EF9B2F0] >> >> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential >> communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for >> the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended >> addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this >> material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in >> error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and >> any attachment(s). >> >> >> >> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Cc:* David Kean >> >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean >> wrote: >> >> Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m >> failing to see why this is a good thing. >> >> >> >> I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring >> their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through >> citrix all day. >> >> >> >> Pass. >> >> >> >> Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for >> some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the >> other way around. >> >> >> >> -- >> *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com >> Software Engineer >> Codify Pty Ltd >> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 >> 189 363 >> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors >> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact >> > > <>
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From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to be >>> open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their >>> environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive systems. >>> It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. >>> >>> >>> >>> The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp >>> might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some >>> licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad >>> working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for >>> Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. >>> >>> >>> >>> So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change >>> as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager >>> I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as >>> much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily >>> impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be >>> built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. >>> >>> >>> >>> They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce >>> compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and >>> productivity suite. >>> >>> >>> >>> My 2c >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> *Mitch Denny >>> *Readify | Chief Technology Officer >>> >>> Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC >>> 3008 | Australia >>> >>> M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.net >>> >>> [image: Description: Description: cid:image006.png@01CAF06E.1EF9B2F0] >>> >>> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential >>> communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for >>> the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended >>> addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this >>> material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in >>> error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and >>> any attachment(s). >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM >>> *To:* ozDotNet >>> *Cc:* David Kean >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. I’m >>> failing to see why this is a good thing. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring >>> their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through >>> citrix all day. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pass. >>> >>> >>> >>> Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for >>> some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the >>> other way around. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com >>> Software Engineer >>> Codify Pty Ltd >>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 >>> 417 189 363 >>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors >>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact >>> >> >> > <>
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. >>> >>> --- >>> Regards, >>> Scott Barnes >>> http://www.riagenic.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Mitch Denny wrote: >>> >>>> I must say that “I don’t care” what others are going to do, all I know >>>> is that I am way more productive with my home setup (four 1920x screens) >>>> with complete control over my environment. As a consultant it also makes >>>> things much easier, companies like Suncorp waste a lot of money going >>>> through their desktop provisioning process when they won’t let contractors >>>> and consultants drop their machines on their network. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From a security point of view, it also encourages the IT department to >>>> be open in what they will support (extending the Internet into their >>>> environment) but being much more security conscious about sensitive >>>> systems. >>>> It might mean the end of the egg-shell defence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The whole who pays for it question is probably a separate one. Suncorp >>>> might be doing this to avoid paying for a laptop refresh, and possibly some >>>> licenses, but they need to be careful. For example, if you have a grad >>>> working there, and they are using Office Student edition to do work for >>>> Suncorp that could be a violation of the agreement. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So the whole mechanics of software licensing is going to have to change >>>> as well. If I was a Microsoft Account Manager, or any other account manager >>>> I would be a little bit nervous because suddenly Suncorp doesn’t have as >>>> much buying power, which affects the ability to make one sale to heavily >>>> impacts quota. Their targets (if they are smart) are going to start to be >>>> built around applications, and server licenses, not the desktop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They should be lining up with vendors such as Dell and Lenovo to produce >>>> compelling offers inside Suncorp which include the hardware, os, and >>>> productivity suite. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My 2c >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> *Mitch Denny >>>> *Readify | Chief Technology Officer >>>> >>>> Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC >>>> 3008 | Australia >>>> >>>> M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.net >>>> >>>> [image: Description: Description: cid:image006.png@01CAF06E.1EF9B2F0] >>>> >>>> The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential >>>> communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for >>>> the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended >>>> addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this >>>> material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail >>>> in >>>> error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and >>>> any attachment(s). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:42 AM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>> *Cc:* David Kean >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] BYO Computer @ Suncorp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, David Kean >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sounds like a justification for spending less money on work machines. >>>> I’m failing to see why this is a good thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm with you. This is batshit crazy. Plus who the hell is going to bring >>>> their machine from home and join it to a domain or run VS.NET through >>>> citrix all day. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pass. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Work buying you an awesome machine and allowing you to take it home for >>>> some personal use is a benefit - but buggered if I'd be interested in the >>>> other way around. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com >>>> Software Engineer >>>> Codify Pty Ltd >>>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 >>>> 417 189 363 >>>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors >>>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact >>>> >>> >>> >> > <>
