Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
I don't know what they're thinking with the all-caps menu. There's barely enough horizontal real-estate as it is once you consider a couple of 3rd party menus will find their way in. And all-caps makes it both harder to read, and yet more distracting away from the real-work going on. The lighter grey with a tinge of blue is an improvement over the beta, but to be honest I prefer the VS2010 look overall. I'm not a fan of metro, being in the unenviable position of owning a Windows Phone 7 - too many 'tiles' look the same - there's not enough contrast between many apps for my liking. I find the 'metro' look nothing more than a Fisher Price experiment for kids to be honest, and even after 6 months still yearn for my old iPhone back. Not to mention the meshing of facebook contacts with business contacts has destroyed any semblance of rationality to my contacts list; without the search button the phone would be near on unusable. Surprisingly I'm not so against the Ribbon - it took me a little getting used to it, but found the context sensitivity to be a good thing. On 10 May 2012 06:18, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.com wrote: Would they be leaving the current scheme as a choice for release? So people can choose to have more color or not, rather than everybody having it one way or other. Maybe instead of soft gray background we be able to choose soft green/ blue etc Regards Arjang On 9 May 2012 10:59, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: ** ** ** ** ** ** ** -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** **
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Put the Quick-launch Ctrl+Q bar into office and I'll be happy. I'm not an office power-user but trying to figure out where the Word-Wrap option is in Outlook beat me the other day and I resorted to copy-paste into Notepad++ (P.S. If anyone knows WHERE this option is I'd appreciate a heads-up). If I could just go Ctrl+Q,Word Wrap and have the program understand what the heck I mean that would make my life much much easier. In fact, do away with shortcut keys for most things. A reasonable predictive text algorithm and a drop-down is all the UI I need (apparent after 2 years with Launchy). Allow the app to look at the keys I use most often and suggest shortcut chords on the 20th invocation of a command or something. If I'm logging into Windows 8 with my Live ID (or whatever it's called now that the Live brand is going away) store it in my SkyDrive (if *that* name is sticking around) and I'll have a truly portable productivity experience. http://codermike.com On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: David Connors wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto: il.tho...@iinet.net.au** wrote: At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET http://VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I actually like the Ribbon. Over the past 3 years I've done some heavy MS Office development with tight application integration and find that the Ribbon lets me make useful and simple interfaces easily. MS certainly could have done some better work when placing some of the functionality when they moved to the ribbon, but overall I think it's actually quite decent. Mostly I can live with Office. Just quit re-arranging it. P.S. Friday Flamewar already? :P Never too soon to start. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Thank goodness I have a high rez monitor. Your post was readable on one line. Just. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Michael Minutillo michael.minuti...@gmail.com wrote: Put the Quick-launch Ctrl+Q bar into office and I'll be happy. I'm not an office power-user but trying to figure out where the Word-Wrap option is in Outlook beat me the other day and I resorted to copy-paste into Notepad++ (P.S. If anyone knows WHERE this option is I'd appreciate a heads-up). If I could just go Ctrl+Q,Word Wrap and have the program understand what the heck I mean that would make my life much much easier. In fact, do away with shortcut keys for most things. A reasonable predictive text algorithm and a drop-down is all the UI I need (apparent after 2 years with Launchy). Allow the app to look at the keys I use most often and suggest shortcut chords on the 20th invocation of a command or something. If I'm logging into Windows 8 with my Live ID (or whatever it's called now that the Live brand is going away) store it in my SkyDrive (if *that* name is sticking around) and I'll have a truly portable productivity experience. http://codermike.com On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: David Connors wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto: il.tho...@iinet.net.au** wrote: At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET http://VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I actually like the Ribbon. Over the past 3 years I've done some heavy MS Office development with tight application integration and find that the Ribbon lets me make useful and simple interfaces easily. MS certainly could have done some better work when placing some of the functionality when they moved to the ribbon, but overall I think it's actually quite decent. Mostly I can live with Office. Just quit re-arranging it. P.S. Friday Flamewar already? :P Never too soon to start. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Check out Find Commands - it adds a tab to the ribbon where you can do exactly that http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/support/office-ribbon-find-commands-FX101851541.aspx Cheers Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1 Epping Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 * Mob +61 (416) 134 993 * Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 * http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 4:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface Put the Quick-launch Ctrl+Q bar into office and I'll be happy. I'm not an office power-user but trying to figure out where the Word-Wrap option is in Outlook beat me the other day and I resorted to copy-paste into Notepad++ (P.S. If anyone knows WHERE this option is I'd appreciate a heads-up). If I could just go Ctrl+Q,Word Wrap and have the program understand what the heck I mean that would make my life much much easier. In fact, do away with shortcut keys for most things. A reasonable predictive text algorithm and a drop-down is all the UI I need (apparent after 2 years with Launchy). Allow the app to look at the keys I use most often and suggest shortcut chords on the 20th invocation of a command or something. If I'm logging into Windows 8 with my Live ID (or whatever it's called now that the Live brand is going away) store it in my SkyDrive (if *that* name is sticking around) and I'll have a truly portable productivity experience. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.aumailto:l...@datarev.com.au wrote: David Connors wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au mailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NEThttp://VS.NET http://VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I actually like the Ribbon. Over the past 3 years I've done some heavy MS Office development with tight application integration and find that the Ribbon lets me make useful and simple interfaces easily. MS certainly could have done some better work when placing some of the functionality when they moved to the ribbon, but overall I think it's actually quite decent. Mostly I can live with Office. Just quit re-arranging it. P.S. Friday Flamewar already? :P Never too soon to start. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
I like the look of the RC. Will be interested in using it a bit. On 09/05/2012, at 11:07 AM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: Thoughts? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Would they be leaving the current scheme as a choice for release? So people can choose to have more color or not, rather than everybody having it one way or other. Maybe instead of soft gray background we be able to choose soft green/ blue etc Regards Arjang On 9 May 2012 10:59, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: ** ** ** ** ** ** ** -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** **
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Thoughts? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
It looks much better IMO, although I am not sure about the SHOUTING in the menu http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/08/visual-studio-11-user-interface-updates-coming-in-rc.aspx Good thing is RC hopefully means final is no more than a couple of months away. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: Thoughts? ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface ** ** ** ** ** ** -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** **
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
You mean THOUGHTS don't you ? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean |Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:07 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | |Thoughts? | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas |Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM |To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com |Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | | | | | | | | | |Ian Thomas |Victoria Park, Western Australia | |
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
My thoughts - but my predilections won't count, I know. * It's better than the Beta, but I still very much prefer VS2010 'skinning', or 'chrome' as http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components- weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/8512.MontyHeadshot_5F00_6E2501FB.jpg Monty Hammontree likes to say. * If MH's blog had shown VS2010 | VS2011 Beta | VS 2011 RC comparison, then the minor concessions he has been willing to countenance in the RC would be stark. * The ALL CAPS is just plain ugly. * I like the idea of colourizing the status bar. That is one of the few stylistic / design changes that is positive. * As many people have said to me, getting more 'real estate' for code is simple enough in VS 2010. And the colour in VS2010 is not distracting to them / me (cf VS2008, where it was - to me, anyway). * In the same way that more room for coding can be obtained in VS2010 by removing toolbars (which has been a Microsoft characteristic since early days of Office), I would have thought that the long-practised practice of 'skinning' an application would have been a much better approach than this highly-alienating bullshit. * In summary: to me, the VS2011 RC appearance is still not good. * I am sure that functionality and usability will have progressed - I can trust Microsoft for that. At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? How does that guy keep his job? I think I know - his blog is full of the worst techno-weasel words. I'm tempted to list a few phrases - the misuse of impact in the Windows Azure Privacy Statement has nothing on the BS language of Monty the Hammer: we've heard your concerns The feedback relating to the fit of Metro style elements in the new experience has fallen into three main buckets. In line with our overall design principles for the release the overall objective behind many of the Visual Studio 11 theme changes is to give you maximum real-estate for, and ability to focus on, your code By drawing our own window chrome we have succeeded in both making more efficient use of space and in increasing the overall sense of Metro styling. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:12 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface It looks much better IMO, although I am not sure about the SHOUTING in the menu http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/08/visual-studio-11-use r-interface-updates-coming-in-rc.aspx Good thing is RC hopefully means final is no more than a couple of months away. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: Thoughts?
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
- the red for stop could have been brighter (ditto for the green on go but not so bad) - in solution explorer the blue colour for fields seems way too dark. - I'd like to see colour for the padlock glyph that indicates private: it's really too hard to see differences between friend, protected and private glyphs at a glance - likewise for methods, properties (more colour) - I didn't see any mention of the order of fields/methods in solution explorer. At present it seems to list them in file order with designer files first: that is it shows me members I'm least concerned with first. I'd really like to see shading/colour here to differentiate between members in designer files and members in my code files; and group members in my code files first. Also ability to sort alphabetically, by member type then alphabetically etc would be nice (eg group fields, then methods, then properties and alphabetically in each. - perhaps it might also be nice if member types/return types are a different colour ; and it would be cool if you could navigate by clicking on a member type to that type definition. - an it'd be nice if these themes were customisable. Put all the colours/icons in a resource DLL, and allow for redirection to a user's path dll. Including strings as well for first level interface (not all messages), would allow people to choose themes that use ALL CAPS or not. Why not completely open it up to 3rd party themes ?? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:15 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | |You mean THOUGHTS don't you ? | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean ||Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:07 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface || ||Thoughts? || || || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas ||Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM ||To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ||Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface || || || || || || || || || ||Ian Thomas ||Victoria Park, Western Australia || || |
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
What's a link for downloading? Or do I have to find the person around here that has msdn login details to do it? MikeS On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: - the red for stop could have been brighter (ditto for the green on go but not so bad) - in solution explorer the blue colour for fields seems way too dark. - I'd like to see colour for the padlock glyph that indicates private: it's really too hard to see differences between friend, protected and private glyphs at a glance - likewise for methods, properties (more colour) - I didn't see any mention of the order of fields/methods in solution explorer. At present it seems to list them in file order with designer files first: that is it shows me members I'm least concerned with first. I'd really like to see shading/colour here to differentiate between members in designer files and members in my code files; and group members in my code files first. Also ability to sort alphabetically, by member type then alphabetically etc would be nice (eg group fields, then methods, then properties and alphabetically in each. - perhaps it might also be nice if member types/return types are a different colour ; and it would be cool if you could navigate by clicking on a member type to that type definition. - an it'd be nice if these themes were customisable. Put all the colours/icons in a resource DLL, and allow for redirection to a user's path dll. Including strings as well for first level interface (not all messages), would allow people to choose themes that use ALL CAPS or not. Why not completely open it up to 3rd party themes ?? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:15 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | |You mean THOUGHTS don't you ? | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean ||Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:07 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface || ||Thoughts? || || || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas ||Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM ||To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ||Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface || || || || || || || || || ||Ian Thomas ||Victoria Park, Western Australia || || | -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
I don't believe the newer RC is available yet. Probably in the next week. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: What's a link for downloading? Or do I have to find the person around here that has msdn login details to do it? MikeS
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
RC will be coming, it won't be in the next week or so. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:36 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface I don't believe the newer RC is available yet. Probably in the next week. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: What's a link for downloading? Or do I have to find the person around here that has msdn login details to do it? MikeS
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
RC is coming soon, but details of the UI changes are available at: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/08/visual-studio-11-user-interface-updates-coming-in-rc.aspx |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith |Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 1:33 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | |What's a link for downloading? Or do I have to find the person around here that |has msdn login details to do it? | |MikeS | | |On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bill McCarthy |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | | | - the red for stop could have been brighter (ditto for the green on go but | not so bad) | |- in solution explorer the blue colour for fields seems way too dark. | | - I'd like to see colour for the padlock glyph that indicates private: | it's really too hard to see differences between friend, protected and | private glyphs at a glance | | - likewise for methods, properties (more colour) | | - I didn't see any mention of the order of fields/methods in solution | explorer. At present it seems to list them in file order with designer files | first: that is it shows me members I'm least concerned with first. I'd | really like to see shading/colour here to differentiate between members |in | designer files and members in my code files; and group members in my |code | files first. Also ability to sort alphabetically, by member type then | alphabetically etc would be nice (eg group fields, then methods, then | properties and alphabetically in each. | | - perhaps it might also be nice if member types/return types are a |different | colour ; and it would be cool if you could navigate by clicking on a |member | type to that type definition. | | - an it'd be nice if these themes were customisable. Put all the | colours/icons in a resource DLL, and allow for redirection to a user's path | dll. Including strings as well for first level interface (not all messages), | would allow people to choose themes that use ALL CAPS or not. | Why not completely open it up to 3rd party themes ?? | | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | |Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:15 AM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | | |Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | | | |You mean THOUGHTS don't you ? | | | | | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean | ||Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:07 AM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | || | ||Thoughts? | || | || | || | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas | ||Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:59 PM | ||To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com | ||Subject: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | ||Ian Thomas | ||Victoria Park, Western Australia | || | || | | | | | | | | | |-- |Meski | | | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv | |Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, |but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
Thank jeepers they've put some contrast back into the design. The gray-scale theme was like looking at a TV back in the 1960s, in a dim room. I can understand that modern usability research finds that too many colours and borders can be visually confusing, but to swing completely the other way was a brutal reaction. The RC seems to return to the middle ground where a tasteful amount of colour and contrast is helpful and pleasing. I thought all print and UI designers know that 2 or 3 base colours with a contrasting splash colour as about as much as the brain can quickly consume. The CAPS menu is utterly bizarre. I'm sure I remember from high school that it takes on average 11% longer to read blocks of caps text (my favourite historical example of this is the inside cover of the pretentious Yes vinyl album Topographic Oceans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Topographic_Oceans where all the dense lyrics and notes are printed with italic caps white-on-black, it's an eye-bleeder). I'm unsure about the coloured status bar, it could be good if it's not too distracting. I wonder what colour it will turn when Visual Studio is stalled or crashed? I also wonder how customisable the whole app appearance is. If it was fairly customisable then it would stop a lot of arguing. My old adage is that if you get into a long argument about how some UI should appear, then make it an option. Greg
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: ** ** ** At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: ** ** ** At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I had my first good look at it on a Parallels VM, and hated it. Please, can you turn it off and get back to an approximation of Win7? -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
David Connors wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au mailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET http://VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I actually like the Ribbon. Over the past 3 years I've done some heavy MS Office development with tight application integration and find that the Ribbon lets me make useful and simple interfaces easily. MS certainly could have done some better work when placing some of the functionality when they moved to the ribbon, but overall I think it's actually quite decent. P.S. Friday Flamewar already? :P -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Colour Returns to Visual Studio 11 User Interface
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: David Connors wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto: il.tho...@iinet.net.au** wrote: At a tangent, I hate Metro styling with a passion. Did MH have anything to do with its adoption? I couldn't agree more. Metro is shite and should be dropped into a bin along with The Ribbon. The fact they are farting around with colour selection while you still have to run VS.NET http://VS.NET as administrator for some types of development is insane. I actually like the Ribbon. Over the past 3 years I've done some heavy MS Office development with tight application integration and find that the Ribbon lets me make useful and simple interfaces easily. MS certainly could have done some better work when placing some of the functionality when they moved to the ribbon, but overall I think it's actually quite decent. Mostly I can live with Office. Just quit re-arranging it. P.S. Friday Flamewar already? :P Never too soon to start. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
