Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Good advice. A lot of medium to large companies will often advertise on their own websites as well. So if you know someone that uses .NET have a look at their website. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
*That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after* Perfectly timed. Today I started looking for contract work. Do people have recommendations for where to look for contract work vs. a standard office job? Are recruiters the main way for this? -David Burela On 20 January 2014 12:16, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Often they will be yeah as companies will often need a contractor now so will be forced to go down that route. There is nothing wrong with going direct as well however I've found that companies will be far less inclined to offer a contract and will pressure to go for perm positions. YMMV. Some job sites offer 'Contract' options on search otherwise potentially investigate on linkedin. On 20 January 2014 14:51, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote: *That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after* Perfectly timed. Today I started looking for contract work. Do people have recommendations for where to look for contract work vs. a standard office job? Are recruiters the main way for this? -David Burela On 20 January 2014 12:16, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
For contracts I tend to look at Seek and apply for anything that is remotely appropriate. This gets my cv onto a lot of databases. I will usually get a reply saying that the role I applied for is not suitable but how about this other (not yet advertised) role. On 20/01/2014 12:51 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote: *That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after* Perfectly timed. Today I started looking for contract work. Do people have recommendations for where to look for contract work vs. a standard office job? Are recruiters the main way for this? -David Burela On 20 January 2014 12:16, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Just wanted to add that there are some people advertising on careers.stackoverflow.com in the remote part of the world - so it might be worthwhile to search there too. On 20 January 2014 16:20, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: For contracts I tend to look at Seek and apply for anything that is remotely appropriate. This gets my cv onto a lot of databases. I will usually get a reply saying that the role I applied for is not suitable but how about this other (not yet advertised) role. On 20/01/2014 12:51 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote: *That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after* Perfectly timed. Today I started looking for contract work. Do people have recommendations for where to look for contract work vs. a standard office job? Are recruiters the main way for this? -David Burela On 20 January 2014 12:16, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
Re: Recruiter advice for Job Seeker.
Pro tips for Recruitment. - Don't ignore your pimps... A good recruiter will often hold back on the sweet jobs and blind search for the not so sweet jobs. Trick is to find one(s) local to you and show them respect by getting involved more. It can be a two way relationship but yes most recruiters are basically a organic robot + keyword search. eg If in Brisbane, ping Tom McGruther at HaysIT .. he's always landed me in the right hands and is my favourite pimp of all :) - Contract work. I've always gotten success by word of mouth more than hunting around. Once you get one contract normally others open up to the point where you can't scale, but for that first gig be prepared to travel if need be... (ie get out of your comfort zone). - At Schneider Electric we are hiring 2x .NET Snr Devs.. which translates to we need some devs who can build on the work we have today but also show some of the younger guys what's next on the horizon of this love wagon we call .NET development... (UX Platform is up for grabs still so we're still mulling over who to bet on and why there). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to add that there are some people advertising on careers.stackoverflow.com in the remote part of the world - so it might be worthwhile to search there too. On 20 January 2014 16:20, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: For contracts I tend to look at Seek and apply for anything that is remotely appropriate. This gets my cv onto a lot of databases. I will usually get a reply saying that the role I applied for is not suitable but how about this other (not yet advertised) role. On 20/01/2014 12:51 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote: *That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after* Perfectly timed. Today I started looking for contract work. Do people have recommendations for where to look for contract work vs. a standard office job? Are recruiters the main way for this? -David Burela On 20 January 2014 12:16, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: A good recruiter is pretty valuable but they are few and far between. We went through a very heavy hiring phase where we added about 200 staff over a year and found that most recruiters were very average. Some even actively lied or changed cvs for their candidates. That said recruiters are best way of getting contract work if that's what you're after. On 20 Jan 2014 14:11, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Heya Dave, I've found that some recruiters can be an invaluable resource due to the vast amount of contacts and opportunities they may hold, especially when looking for contract work. In the past I've dealt with a few who were really good (and a linkedIn search shows they were promoted out of their jobs!) in that they knew what they were doing (always a plus) and even helped me tailor my approach and prepare me for interviews. Of course I'll be most likely applying for more jobs directly than though recruiters, but a good recruiter can be a win-win for employer and jobseeker alike. Cheers, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au Dave Walker wrote: Why not try figure out who you want to work for and apply direct? Alot of companies will prefer not going through agencies. What city are you looking in? On 20 Jan 2014 13:13, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto: l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Hey all, After been tied up for many years, I'm about to once again brave the job market. Last time I was looking for work (c2008) I ended up wasting a lot of time with recruiters who weren't particularly helpful (to say it kindly) and was wondering if anyone had recruiter recommendation, or even advice on who to avoid. (Private email if necessary). I'm considering a few different career options, but for now I'm most interested in recruiters that deal with things similar to my most recent work, C#/Winforms/Office/SQL Server/Devexpress/etc. Thanks heaps, -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au mailto:l...@datarev.com.au -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
