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I think it's pros and cons, not cons and pros. come on, there's a standard here, pick up your game. ;) On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Michael, I also used to think that webforms is the wrong way of doing web development, but have found that the two model have their own cons and pros. I would recomend doing MVC but without having anything against the Web Forms model, Web Forms Model is now the quick and dirty way for small apps that would never need to see the daylight beyound being prototype, like every other App that went from prototype to being exactly what customer wanted! Regards Arjang On 10 August 2011 15:11, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I’ll have a go at the exam once I’ve done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I’m already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Hi I was only talking in reference to learning web development, not into the pros and cons for a seasoned web developer. Thanks *Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital* Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Michael, I also used to think that webforms is the wrong way of doing web development, but have found that the two model have their own cons and pros. I would recomend doing MVC but without having anything against the Web Forms model, Web Forms Model is now the quick and dirty way for small apps that would never need to see the daylight beyound being prototype, like every other App that went from prototype to being exactly what customer wanted! Regards Arjang On 10 August 2011 15:11, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I’ll have a go at the exam once I’ve done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I’m already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment). http://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. Haven't run into any of those recently. Nailed the interview last month but got turned down for doing vb the last 2 years and not c#. Probably better i didn't go there anyways i guess but left a sour taste in my mouth It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I’ll have a go at the exam once I’ve done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I’m already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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All, A question from an amateur - What would the split be roughly of professional developers and larger developer organisations that use VB compared to C# ? Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? Regards ... Paul Evrat .. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of DotNet Dude Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 4:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. Haven't run into any of those recently. Nailed the interview last month but got turned down for doing vb the last 2 years and not c#. Probably better i didn't go there anyways i guess but left a sour taste in my mouth It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe Ill have a go at the exam once Ive done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but Im already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean Im pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but dont have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like Im fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (Im only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? The main difference as far I am concerned is C# is traditionally a strongly typed language and VB is not. So developing with C# you will have the overhead of having to specify the types of your variables eg string foo but the compiler will be able to let you know of some problems with your code earlier (at compile time before you run the app). The rest really is a matter of whether you like the syntax of the language or not. Disclaimer: C# programmer with limited exposure to vb6 (no vb.net). -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evrat Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 2:41 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Web Development All, A question from an amateur - What would the split be roughly of professional developers and larger developer organisations that use VB compared to C# ? Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? Regards ... Paul Evrat .. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of DotNet Dude Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 4:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. Haven't run into any of those recently. Nailed the interview last month but got turned down for doing vb the last 2 years and not c#. Probably better i didn't go there anyways i guess but left a sour taste in my mouth It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I'll have a go at the exam once I've done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I'm already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback. I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Hi Richard, That's incorrect. VB has strict typing: see Option Strict On, so it has the same at compile time features as C# does in regards to strict typing. In regard to dynamic typing , interop with COM, VB has some advantages, but as of .NET 4, C# has tended to catch up there. I'd say the main differences are: VB has declarative event handling: this makes the code editor experience a lot richer when using controls/components VB has integrated XML: seriously it is the language of choice for XLINQ C# has unsafe code Other than that it's mainly style such as brace matching in C# (oh such fun g) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Richard Blackman |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 5:14 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Web Development | |Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? | |The main difference as far I am concerned is C# is traditionally a strongly typed |language and VB is not. So developing with C# you will have the overhead of |having to specify the types of your variables eg string foo but the compiler will |be able to let you know of some problems with your code earlier (at compile time |before you run the app). | |The rest really is a matter of whether you like the syntax of the language or not. | |Disclaimer: C# programmer with limited exposure to vb6 (no vb.net). | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evrat |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 2:41 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Web Development | |All, | |A question from an amateur - What would the split be roughly of professional |developers and larger developer organisations that use VB compared to C# ? | |Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? | |Regards ... Paul Evrat .. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] |On Behalf Of DotNet Dude |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 4:28 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Web Development | |On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi | | Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets | things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific | platform knowledge they had. | |Haven't run into any of those recently. Nailed the interview last month but got |turned down for doing vb the last 2 years and not c#. |Probably better i didn't go there anyways i guess but left a sour taste in my mouth | | | It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the | wrong way to do web development. | | ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone | interested? | | Thanks, | | Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital | Managing Director | P. 0404 865 350 | E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au | W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au | T. www.twitter.com/rid00z | L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland | | On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin | sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: | | Hi William, | | | | Thanks.. maybe I'll have a go at the exam once I've done enough study | via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have | started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I'm already curious with MVC |now. | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] | On Behalf Of William Luu | Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM | | To: ozDotNet | Subject: Re: Web Development | | | | Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may |help? | | | | Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft | .NET Framework 4 | http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 | | On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au | wrote: | | Cheers for the feedback. I guess I just have to continue on with my | home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3. | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] | On Behalf Of William Luu | Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM | To: ozDotNet | Subject: Re: Web Development | | | | Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does | mean |it | may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first | interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET | experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. | | | | That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. | I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively | searching |for | good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. | | On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au | wrote: | | I meant *un*employable | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] | On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin | Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM | To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com | Subject: Web Development
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I'm a c# developer and to be honest I think VB is a underrated language, but I still like C# because I'm more familiar with it. *Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital* Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland http://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland http://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Richard, That's incorrect. VB has strict typing: see Option Strict On, so it has the same at compile time features as C# does in regards to strict typing. In regard to dynamic typing , interop with COM, VB has some advantages, but as of .NET 4, C# has tended to catch up there. I'd say the main differences are: VB has declarative event handling: this makes the code editor experience a lot richer when using controls/components VB has integrated XML: seriously it is the language of choice for XLINQ C# has unsafe code Other than that it's mainly style such as brace matching in C# (oh such fun g) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Richard Blackman |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 5:14 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Web Development | |Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? | |The main difference as far I am concerned is C# is traditionally a strongly typed |language and VB is not. So developing with C# you will have the overhead of |having to specify the types of your variables eg string foo but the compiler will |be able to let you know of some problems with your code earlier (at compile time |before you run the app). | |The rest really is a matter of whether you like the syntax of the language or not. | |Disclaimer: C# programmer with limited exposure to vb6 (no vb.net). | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evrat |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 2:41 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Web Development | |All, | |A question from an amateur - What would the split be roughly of professional |developers and larger developer organisations that use VB compared to C# ? | |Is one any better than the other for particular purposes? | |Regards ... Paul Evrat .. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] |On Behalf Of DotNet Dude |Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 4:28 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Web Development | |On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi | | Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets | things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific | platform knowledge they had. | |Haven't run into any of those recently. Nailed the interview last month but got |turned down for doing vb the last 2 years and not c#. |Probably better i didn't go there anyways i guess but left a sour taste in my mouth | | | It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the | wrong way to do web development. | | ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone | interested? | | Thanks, | | Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital | Managing Director | P. 0404 865 350 | E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au | W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au | T. www.twitter.com/rid00z | L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland | | On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin | sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: | | Hi William, | | | | Thanks.. maybe I'll have a go at the exam once I've done enough study | via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have | started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I'm already curious with MVC |now. | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] | On Behalf Of William Luu | Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM | | To: ozDotNet | Subject: Re: Web Development | | | | Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may |help? | | | | Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft | .NET Framework 4 | http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 | | On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au | wrote: | | Cheers for the feedback. I guess I just have to continue on with my | home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3. | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] | On Behalf Of William Luu | Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM | To: ozDotNet | Subject: Re: Web Development | | | | Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does | mean |it | may be a little more difficult to get through the door
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+1 on this. Come join Microsofthttp://careers.microsoft.com/, we don't care what language or technologies you've used. We've got lots of open positions on the .NET Framework and in the Developer Division if you're interested. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ridland Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.aumailto:mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.auhttp://www.thinksmartdigital.com.au/ T. www.twitter.com/rid00zhttp://www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridlandhttp://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.aumailto:sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I'll have a go at the exam once I've done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I'm already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.aumailto:sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback... I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3... From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.aumailto:sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment). http://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland
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Hi Michael, I also used to think that webforms is the wrong way of doing web development, but have found that the two model have their own cons and pros. I would recomend doing MVC but without having anything against the Web Forms model, Web Forms Model is now the quick and dirty way for small apps that would never need to see the daylight beyound being prototype, like every other App that went from prototype to being exactly what customer wanted! Regards Arjang On 10 August 2011 15:11, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I’ll have a go at the exam once I’ve done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I’m already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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I would advocate doing your own project or an open source project in your spare time - just so you have something to put on your CV. While there are some aspects of development from winforms development that can be transferred over (such as general .Net knowledge), it will still take some time to become proficient in ASP.Net (and web development in general). Years ago I started off doing purely WinForms, and my first couple of ASP.Net projects were... well... not fantastic. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant **un**employable ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Kuldin *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Web Development ** ** Hey there everyone, ** ** It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? ** ** I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. ** ** I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant **un**employable ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Kuldin *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Web Development ** ** Hey there everyone, ** ** It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? ** ** I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. ** ** I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Nathan Schultz milish...@gmail.comwrote: I would advocate doing your own project or an open source project in your spare time - just so you have something to put on your CV. While there are some aspects of development from winforms development that can be transferred over (such as general .Net knowledge), it will still take some time to become proficient in ASP.Net (and web development in general). Years ago I started off doing purely WinForms, and my first couple of ASP.Net projects were... well... not fantastic. You think you're alone in that? :^) Looking at my first projects, I wish I'd included a facility to remotely upgrade them. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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Cheers for the feedback. I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Simon, as others said, it's not all doom and gloom, some employers might push you down on salary, or some wouldn't mind, or you can go into another company that does WinForms as a prime and ASP.NET in addition, so you can learn as you go. Do not feel pressured to rush and cram yourself with contents and tutorial, like say, either join open source, or think of writing a web app that can solve a problem or a need you may have, like managing your own data, etc, Or look at building a web-app that's done to death, or maybe you can write a blog in it, that will expose you to a lot of aspects, you can even think about porting some WinForms apps you've written in the past to it as well as a good learning exercise. Ultimately, pace yourself, or you'll have information overload and feel stressed and pressured. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Web Development ** ** Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. ** ** That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant **un**employable *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Kuldin *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment). ** **
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Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Web Development ** ** Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. ** ** That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant **un**employable *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Kuldin *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment). ** **
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Hi William, Thanks.. maybe I'll have a go at the exam once I've done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I'm already curious with MVC now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515 On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback. I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of William Luu Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Also, while doing that, make sure you spend quite a bit of time looking at other people's code. The mindset needed is quite different. Regards, Greg From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schultz Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:42 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Web Development I would advocate doing your own project or an open source project in your spare time - just so you have something to put on your CV. While there are some aspects of development from winforms development that can be transferred over (such as general .Net knowledge), it will still take some time to become proficient in ASP.Net (and web development in general). Years ago I started off doing purely WinForms, and my first couple of ASP.Net projects were... well... not fantastic. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant *un*employable From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Kuldin Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I'm pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don't have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I'm only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment).
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Hi Smart Employers look for someone who's smart, can learn and gets things done. I would take on someone based on that not what specific platform knowledge they had. It's great to learn MVC first. Learning WebForms will teach you the wrong way to do web development. ps, where are you based? can you send me your CV I might know someone interested? Thanks, *Michael Ridland | ThinkSmart Digital* Managing Director P. 0404 865 350 E. mich...@thinksmartdigital.com.au W. www.thinksmartdigital.com.au T. www.twitter.com/rid00z L. au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Hi William, ** ** Thanks.. maybe I’ll have a go at the exam once I’ve done enough study via the pluralsight website. That being said, I probably should have started with WebForms rather than MVC, but I’m already curious with MVC now. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:10 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Web Development ** ** Hi Simon, perhaps if you passed one of those MS ASP.NET exams it may help? ** ** Maybe this one? 70-515: Web Applications Development with Microsoft .NET Framework 4 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-515** ** On 10 August 2011 13:02, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: Cheers for the feedback… I guess I just have to continue on with my home attempts at building a website via ASP MVC 3… *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:48 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Web Development Simon, while I'd say no it doesn't make you un-employable. It does mean it may be a little more difficult to get through the door for the first interview compared with someone else who has the same amount of .NET experience as yourself, but as an ASP.NET dev. That said, it also depends on what the company that is hiring is after. I'm sure there are many companies out there that are actively searching for good .NET developers and would happily give you a go. On 10 August 2011 12:26, Simon Kuldin sim...@prism-solutions.com.au wrote: I meant **un**employable *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Kuldin *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 August 2011 12:18 PM *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject:* Web Development Hey there everyone, It seems to me that almost all of the Dot Net jobs advertised out there, require a decent level of ASP.NET experience. Does that mean I’m pretty much employable since I have little to no ASP.NET experience, despite my level of Dot Net experience in WinForms and Compact Framework development? I am studying ASP.NET when I can, but don’t have any real work experience with it yet. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle to try and get into a full-time Dot Net development role (I’m only doing Dot Net development as a portion of my job at the moment). ** ** http://au.linkedin.com/in/michaelridland
