Re: gripe - ME TOO!!!
Hi Rhonda... thanks for understanding! That is a horrible piece of journalism. I read in the Hearald Sun today about the lack of idemnity insurance for obstetricians, and, they said, "who will look after the pregnant women now?" Ahem? Excuse me?? WHO LOOKS AFTER THEM ANYWAY?? Midwives do. Simple. Grr. And another thing... I heard also today that 'in the pipeline' is going to be a consent form women have to sign in order to have a vaginal birth, similar to that for a caesarean... with all the risks explained. If they're going to go that far, I think there should be a consent form for some women to HAVE a pregnancy in the first place!! Sorry. *sigh* what is the world coming to??? Back in my day (ok, so I'm only 23, but still... ) Jo - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: Re: gripe - ME TOO!!! This is so true and yet in our local paper there was a big front page article on the increased Caesar rate in geelong and they are blaming the "mothers are choosing them" The mothers are given the options and are deciding to have caesar's more. The doctors say things like - We wont let you go past this or it would be better to do a c/s at this time etc and they are NOT making the decisions it is up to the woman to do that. Humph! I sat all night trying to word a decent reply but it just made me so cross that I was forced to have c/s and they are now saying that in the past 6 yrs in Geelong Caesarean births have doubled to more than 10% outside the WHO guidelines. but this is the mothers fault! AHHH Well, where is this choice?? I am cross tonight anyway because my son came home from care with mucky eyes (he has a cold) and I thought I would go the evening clinic (open til 8pm) and get some eye drops for conjunctivitis - they had not only changed the time from 8pm to 6pm and I was there before 6. But said that as they had one person waiting they turned away a 2yr old sick child so they could go home on time. I was furious and have him at home with boiled water to rinse his eyes - any suggestions for natural remedy for conjunctivitis? I was thinking all the way home - who took the CARE out of Health care. Coz it sure hasgot lost somewhere in the system. Thanks Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: JoFromOz Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 07:40:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gripe Can I just vent a little? My new workplace is frustrating me.. I'm working in the Antenatal Clinic atm as part of my Midwifery graduate program, and not enjoying being a handmaiden to the doctors at all. It's privatised, so I open the history to the right page, call the woman in and do her BP and the doc does the rest. Not very satisfying. Today, walking past one of the rooms, I overheard a doctor say "we won't let you go over 38 weeks"... I know there is possibly a reason for this, but I really hate the language they use... 'won't let".. as if the woman has no say at all. I mentioned this to the midwife incharge, and she said, 'of course it's not up to her!" I was so shocked!!! "But it's her body! He can't do anything to her unless she says so..." etc, etc. I just said that there could have been a better way of putting it, like, 'My advice is..." The midwife just shook her head at me and turned away. I couldn't believe it :( And the other thing... one of the pamphlets they routinely hand out down there is one about 'Never shake a baby". The first thing it says to try if your baby is crying and not hungry or dirty is to give it a bottle of water!!! They still do that on the post natal wards over night at this hospital if a baby is crying and is breast fed! I said to another co-worker how appalled I was that they suggest this, not even mentioning age appropriateness... just simply, 'give your baby a bottle of water'. And she said, "yeah? what else would you do then? Have you ever had a baby that cries constantly?" she proceeded to tell me how she thinks all maternal and child health nurses should have their own babies before giving out advice, etc etc... Not happy, Jan :( And I haven't even told you anything about the birth suite yet :( Jo Be happy; for every
Re: gripe - ME TOO!!!
Rhonda, the best remedy for conjunctivitis which I have used for both my children is a good old squirt of breastmilk! I don't suppose that you have any of that lying around? On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 08:10 PM, Rhonda wrote: - any suggestions for natural remedy for conjunctivitis? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: gripe - ME TOO!!!
I always ask in Antenatal sessions if anyone knows what the risks are for caesareans and epidurals and am constantly amazed at how many couples say "there aren't any, are there?" - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: Re: gripe - ME TOO!!! similar to that for a caesarean... with all the risks explained Excuse me - wince when do they explain all the risks of a caesarian?? They said with my second one that they didn't need to tell me anything coz i had already had one so it didn't matter what i knew. The thing was the first one was done while I was high as a kite on High BP and magnesium and almost fitting and I didn't care less - the second I was in a much more allert and concerned state of mind. Hmm... I bet they make vaginal birth look like hell with so many risks and then say - a c/s is a safe alternative to these risks. LOL It is disheartening isn't it. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: JoFromOz Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 20:09:38 To: Rhonda; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gripe - ME TOO!!! Hi Rhonda... thanks for understanding! That is a horrible piece of journalism. I read in the Hearald Sun today about the lack of idemnity insurance for obstetricians, and, they said, "who will look after the pregnant women now?" Ahem? Excuse me?? WHO LOOKS AFTER THEM ANYWAY?? Midwives do. Simple. Grr. And another thing... I heard also today that 'in the pipeline' is going to be a consent form women have to sign in order to have a vaginal birth, similar to that for a caesarean... with all the risks explained. If they're going to go that far, I think there should be a consent form for some women to HAVE a pregnancy in the first place!! Sorry. *sigh* what is the world coming to??? Back in my day (ok, so I'm only 23, but still... ) Jo - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: Re: gripe - ME TOO!!! This is so true and yet in our local paper there was a big front page article on the increased Caesar rate in geelong and they are blaming the "mothers are choosing them" The mothers are given the options and are deciding to have caesar's more. The doctors say things like - We wont let you go past this or it would be better to do a c/s at this time etc and they are NOT making the decisions it is up to the woman to do that. Humph! I sat all night trying to word a decent reply but it just made me so cross that I was forced to have c/s and they are now saying that in the past 6 yrs in Geelong Caesarean births have doubled to more than 10% outside the WHO guidelines. but this is the mothers fault! AHHH Well, where is this choice?? I am cross tonight anyway because my son came home from care with mucky eyes (he has a cold) and I thought I would go the evening clinic (open til 8pm) and get some eye drops for conjunctivitis - they had not only changed the time from 8pm to 6pm and I was there before 6. But said that as they had one person waiting they turned away a 2yr old sick child so they could go home on time. I was furious and have him at home with boiled water to rinse his eyes - any suggestions for natural remedy for conjunctivitis? I was thinking all the way home - who took the CARE out of Health care. Coz it sure hasgot lost somewhere in the system. Thanks Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: JoFromOz Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 07:40:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gripe Can I just vent a
RE: ear infections
My kids (almost 3, 6, 15, almost 18) have been very healthy, the only thing that ever raised it's ugly head was the dreaded ear infections...terrible pain, fevers...until I discovered onion juice! Squeeze an onion...I use a citrus juicer, pick up the juice in a dropper, and squirt it in! Easy as! Never again did any of the kids get past my ear is sore! In fact the two littlies have had one a piece and then never again.. The two big ones had a couple more and then never sick again! On another note, a client of mine with 18 month old twins was told they needed grommets urgently(!!! No other option!Come in this week!) She begged 6 weeks grace...I suggested she visit a chiropractor friend of mine...miraculously, when the mother returned to the ENT guy, there was no longer any need for grommets... Did he concede to the benefit of the chiro? Of course not, apparently the miraculous cure was due to her dropping a day of day care!! :) BTW onion is great grated applied to the feet for colds 'n just about anything! Yours with stinky oniony kids Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Macha McDonald Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:20 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: ear infections Hi. I need some advice..again!! My 15.5 month old daughter is suffering from her second ear infection in 3 weeks. The doctor she saw mentioned referring her to a specialist to have grommets put in! (after 2 infections!...I suspect that they are the same infection). She has 2 bottles of cows milk a day, and she suffers from a bit of excema. I know I should lose the bottles, but apart from that, I have been told that cows milk and dairy products, being mucolitic can cause the build up of mucousy fluids in ears, particularly if the child has an atopic reaction to cows milk (like excema). Our problem is, our daughter will not drink milk from anything other than a bottle, making it hard to wean her from them, and we find it almost impossible to make up the reccomended 600mls of dairy in her diet if shes not having bottles. And what about the mucous thing? Have any of you experianced ppl out there heard of this, and does it have any credibility? If I did take her off dairy, how on EARTH would I adjust her diet to make sure that she was receiving adequate nutrition? The doctor she saw told me to give her formula instead of cows milk (WHY?). Im just so confused! What do you reccomend I do? Thanks a million, Macha. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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RE: my story
I have been midwife at home to several women who have had 3rd degree tears with previous births... All of them have had intact perineums, one with a 4.4 kg baby! :) Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of judit Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my story Hallo, I was recommended to tell you this story by my midwife friend, to get to know so more opinions on the subject. I am a believer in natural birthing so I had my first baby at home because I didn't trust the hospital to respect my wishes. I had a wonderful midwife and a wonderful baby. I did end up in hospital because of a 3rd degree tear but I wouldn't have wanted it any other way if I had to do it all over again. Well that time has come. I am now 33 weeks pregnant. This time we had to resort to the hospital. I wrote my birthplan and they requested a meeting. It was me against four of them, the manager of the ward, a midwife, the obstetrician and someone from administration. They said they respected my wishes against any interventions until an emergency occurs so I thought everything would be allright. Than at the end the obstetrician stated a ceasarian would be a better option in my case, if I could go home and consider this scenario. I told him straight away I wouldn't change my mind. He said my pelvis is probably to small because my first baby was only 3.3kg so I shouln't have torn so badly, and that the scar tissue is likely to tear again and might not heal up as well, leaving me farthing through my fanny for the rest of my life. So all of a sudden my wish for a natural birth changed into a recommended x-ray at 36 weeks, if the baby is not to heavy I can have a vaginal birth on my back with an episiotomy the size of my first tear only in a different direction. I do not like my options very much as you can imagine so can anyone tell me if I can trust my obstetricians judgement. Is this normal procedure in a case like mine or shall I have a homebirth again after all? Thanks for taking your time to read my story. a worried mum -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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conjuntivitis ear infections
Hi Rhonda and all one of the best things for clearing eyes is breastmilk, if you have any on you. The other great product is Eyebright, make an infusion and clean the eyes with this. Careful not to cross contaminate. Hilde Hemmes makes the product I have, but a health shop should be able to help. I have just read an article from a Dr Lines in Adelaide, which states its been estimated that one has to give antibiotics to 14 children with middle ear infection to help one - the other 13 will resolve their infection just as quickly without medication. We should be seeing less and less prescribing of antibiotics for this complaint. Its OK to get a specialist opinion, like birth you can still make an informed choice on what to do with your info.I would be doing natural therapies and seeing a certified osteopath as well. As for the milk thing and mucous, I was told by someone who studied Ayurveda (Indian healing science), that it is cold drinks that are mucous producing, regardless of what it was. We should have all our fluids warm, even yogurt etc. Good health to you all, Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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