Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife in Johannesburg??
Hi Vicky Yes it is true about what this woman say but I am sure there might be someone for her I am forwarding My address please e-mail me and I will send you her addy.There certainly is people who will consider VBAC Hettie Grove South Africa RN.RM.RCN.BA.CUR.RNA.RNT - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife in Johannesburg?? Hello all... Does anyone know of a midwife in Johannesburg that could support this woman? Mum has been telling me alot about the work your doing with intuitive midwifery. She probably told you that I am pregnant with my second child, due in January 2002. I am living in South Africa at the moment, but after having experienced the interventionist medical/maternity care here during the birth of my daughter Jasmin in 1999 (resulting in a caesar), I am thinking seriously about coming back to Australia to have this baby. The main reason for my thinking this way is that I am not having much success in finding midwives or gynaecologists who support natural/home birth here. The rate of caesareans in the country is scary - in some clinics about 80% (mainly in the private clinics where most white people go). I do know people who have had home births with midwives here, but I heard that they will not do home births for women after they have had a caesar. I understand that there can be risks with VBAC, but I have also read of many cases where women have had home births without any problem. My main interest is to find someone who has the same values and understanding as I do about the significance and power of the birthing process for a woman. Whether it does end up in a hospital birth or a caesar is not so important. Also, as I don't have family around me where I live, I know that it would be a wonderful experience for everyone (myself, husband, mother, sisters and daughter in particular) to be in a nurturing homely environment on the occasion. My husband, Stefan, is supportive of a natural birth, but is worried that I will go off to Australia and leave him out. So making arrangements for his participation is also important. But when he discusses the money and time issues involved I get reacted as these are not things that I want to consider as obstacles. I feel very strongly that this is very important for me personally and would be wonderful for him too, although he doesn't fully understand this now. I would like to ask you firstly if you know of anyone practicing according to the values and systems that you use in Johannesburg, RSA. There is a clinic here called Linkwood which has been set up for natural birthing with double suites, attached bathroom, etc. But the gynae who they referred me to for my first visit this week just completely turned me off. When I told her that I was 35 and had a caesar last time, she spent most of my appointment informing us about the risk of downs syndrome, the choices we have for testing, the unreliability of these tests, the options we have for termination, etc. Then went on to say that if there were any slight complications such as hypertension, gestational diabetes, overdue, etc, there would be no question of having a natural birth. If things were all on track, she said she wouldn't mind if I had a bash at a trial of labour. This is not the way I want to be treated or guided through the pregnancy. If I came to Australia in early December (due date around 24 January), would you be able to be my midwife? If you are able, would it be possible to have some sort of virtual consultations in the meantime so that I can get to know you and the work that you're doing. If you won't be able to be my midwife, can you refer me to someone else who you could strongly recommend. Please also let me know what your costs are. I had a look at your website and saw that you have a video. could I order this and get it sent to me? I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I am would like to contact midwives working in a team midwifery model providing continuity of care, anne brisbane
[ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
Congratulations Justine and all for the fantastic story presented on ABC TV tonight. Although I only caught the last bit, it was fantastic to see the ABCaccurately reportthe challenges facing midwives and woman whom choose midwifery care. Danielle
[ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training
Hi to all the list...am enjoying reading the many varied topics on the ozmid list now have a query to anyone out there who may be able to assist I ( quite a few of my fellow student midwives) require a workshop or course on the topic of 'learning how to conduct antenatal education/classes'. Yes...these courses are available but are either not 'fit' as an elective subject due to number of hours OR are far to long indepth for what we require as an elective subject. Ideally, the workshop would consist of approximately 40 hours of theory with associated assesment tasks in the way assignmentswhich could be assessed and graded and just to make this request a bit more of a challenge would have to be conducted in Melbourne :) Would very much appreciate any help with this request Thanks.Di FelsbourgMSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
I saw the whole thing- fantastic! Well spoken to all of your who were interviewed for it. what a breath of fresh air after all of the rubbish that's been on the other shows lately. For people who missed it, the ABC website is usually pretty good- they might have something on the story. Go to www.abd.net/dimensions Cheers, Jen --- Danielle morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlankCongratulations Justine and all for the fantastic story presented on ABC TV tonight. Although I only caught the last bit, it was fantastic to see the ABC accurately report the challenges facing midwives and woman whom choose midwifery care. Danielle __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
I saw the whole thing- fantastic! Well spoken to all of your who were interviewed for it. what a breath of fresh air after all of the rubbish that's been on the other shows lately. For people who missed it, the ABC website is usually pretty good- they might have something on the story. Go to www.abc.net/dimensions Cheers, Jen --- Danielle morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlankCongratulations Justine and all for the fantastic story presented on ABC TV tonight. Although I only caught the last bit, it was fantastic to see the ABC accurately report the challenges facing midwives and woman whom choose midwifery care. Danielle __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training
Hello Di -- this sounds to be a pretty daunting task. I'd suggestyou put it together in parts, and here's a good starting point: Get hold of copies of Andrea Robertson's video's "Skills for Childbirth Educators" - volume 1 "Learning about the Pelvis", and volume 2 "Using Models Effectively". Also copies of Andrea's books "Preparing for Birth - Mothers" and "Preparing for Birth - Fathers". These few references will equip you to present the fundamentals of active birth preparartion andeducational issues for parents. (Hopefully you'll find them in your uni library)... However,the books are cheap and well worth having inyour personal library( I know only too wellabout financial constraintsof being a student). This may seem like a blatent advertisement (and I have NO vested interest in these items) - but they are, in my opinion,among the most valuable resourceson which to baseantenatal education in Australia. If you can also afford to get to any of the Active Birth Workshops with Andrea Robertson you will be well equipped to tackle the workshops as required. Good luck with your project, and your midwifery studies. Kind regards, Lois Wattis - Original Message - From: Di Felsbourg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training Hi to all the list...am enjoying reading the many varied topics on the ozmid list now have a query to anyone out there who may be able to assist I ( quite a few of my fellow student midwives) require a workshop or course on the topic of 'learning how to conduct antenatal education/classes'. Yes...these courses are available but are either not 'fit' as an elective subject due to number of hours OR are far to long indepth for what we require as an elective subject. Ideally, the workshop would consist of approximately 40 hours of theory with associated assesment tasks in the way assignmentswhich could be assessed and graded and just to make this request a bit more of a challenge would have to be conducted in Melbourne :) Would very much appreciate any help with this request Thanks.Di Felsbourg MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
Dear Jen - the web address doesn't work - should be abc - something?? Anybody else know what it should be? I'd like to send my congratulations too. George Negus covered the whole issue wonderfully. Congratulations to Jan, Justine, etc. for representating us all so well. Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Jen Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story I saw the whole thing- fantastic! Well spoken to all of your who were interviewed for it. what a breath of fresh air after all of the rubbish that's been on the other shows lately. For people who missed it, the ABC website is usually pretty good- they might have something on the story. Go to www.abd.net/dimensions Cheers, Jen --- Danielle morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlankCongratulations Justine and all for the fantastic story presented on ABC TV tonight. Although I only caught the last bit, it was fantastic to see the ABC accurately report the challenges facing midwives and woman whom choose midwifery care. Danielle __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training
Dear Di Have you contacted the Royal Womens Hospital, Melb, Childbirth Education Department?? or I can put in contact with NACE (National Association of Childbirth Educators) Vic Branch. Both of these organisations run childbirth educator training workshops for beginner educators which may fit your agenda Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Di Felsbourg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training Hi to all the list...am enjoying reading the many varied topics on the ozmid list now have a query to anyone out there who may be able to assist I ( quite a few of my fellow student midwives) require a workshop or course on the topic of 'learning how to conduct antenatal education/classes'. Yes...these courses are available but are either not 'fit' as an elective subject due to number of hours OR are far to long indepth for what we require as an elective subject. Ideally, the workshop would consist of approximately 40 hours of theory with associated assesment tasks in the way assignmentswhich could be assessed and graded and just to make this request a bit more of a challenge would have to be conducted in Melbourne :) Would very much appreciate any help with this request Thanks.Di Felsbourg MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] health dimensions
Hi all try http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/ It was really well done, congrats to the women involved and the ABC. I loved the water births, so brilliant to see a baby being born this way on our TV's. Hope someone from ACA was watching to see how it's done. Cheers Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] health dimensions
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[ozmidwifery] dimensions
Hi I've sent the following letter to the ABC. You never know we might generate some more woman friendly and midwifery friendly stuff. By the way this week Norman Swann did an excellent radio national program about a woman who took on a hospital after she nearly died post caesar. A medico told her that a ligature probably 'fell off' after her caesar cause she moved. I kid you not. That's what the woman said. Her Hb was 2 and there seemed to be a little delay in detecting that haemorrhage. But if she moved then it must have been all her fault!!! the transcript should be available soon on Radio National 's web site. Dear ABC The Dimensions program on Midwives was superb and worth every one of my 8 cents a day (it must me at least 10 cents by now). Will it be possible to have it commercially released? I know that licensing agreements increases the costs but it would be very useful for teaching purposes for students and parents alike. I know that the production Losing Layla generated huge interest after it was presented on the ABC and was sold commercially. There is a dearth of quality, properly researched 'documentaries' on things like what childbearing really means for women. There is also very little material concerned with what midwives do, why they are so good and how women can choose a care provider that is suitable for them, or how to deal with a not very user-friendly health care system. Well done ABC. Judging from the positive feedback about Dimensions' Midwives I think that if the ABC released it for commercial purposes it might recoup a little bit of its money and then it can invest in more quality programs such as this! My peers would be very happy to 'talk' to the ABC about the sorts of issues we would like to see on our ABC. Carol Thorogood Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
In a message dated 16/07/02 10:31:03 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Jen - the web address doesn't work - should be abc - something?? Anybody else know what it should be? I'd like to send my congratulations too. George Negus covered the whole issue wonderfully. Hi Lois try.http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/dimensions_health I missed the programso went looking for a transcript at the ABC website...no such luck but there was a small blurb on the segment of this weeks health dimensions at the above address... Cheers TinaXX
[ozmidwifery] dimensions
Hi I've sent the following letter to the ABC. You never know we might generate some more woman and midwifery friendly stuff. By the way this week Norman Swann did an excellent radio national program about a woman who took on a hospital after she nearly died post caesar. A medico told her that a ligature probably 'fell off' cause she moved. I kid you not. Her Hb was 2 and there seemed to be a 'little' delay in detecting the hemorrhage. But I suppose if she moved then it must have been all her fault!!! The transcript should be available soon on Radio National 's web site. Dear ABC The Dimensions program on Midwives was superb and worth every one of my 8 cents a day (it must me at least 10 cents by now). Will it be possible to have it commercially released? I know that licensing agreements increase the costs but it would be very useful for teaching purposes for students and parents alike. I know that the production Losing Layla generated huge interest after it was presented on the ABC and was sold commercially. There is a dearth of quality, properly researched 'documentaries' on things like what childbearing really means for women. There is also very little material concerned with what midwives do, why they are so good and how women can choose a care provider that is suitable for them, or how to deal with a not very user-friendly health care system. Well done ABC. Judging from the positive feedback about Dimensions' Midwives I think that if the ABC released it for commercial purposes it might recoup a little bit of its money and then it can invest in more quality programs such as this! My peers would be very happy to 'talk' to the ABC about the sorts of issues we would like to see on our ABC. Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] RE: ABC story
I hate those typos, sorry! You're right Lois, should be: www.abc.net/dimensions Jen --- Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jen - the web address doesn't work - should be abc - something?? Anybody else know what it should be? I'd like to send my congratulations too. George Negus covered the whole issue wonderfully. Congratulations to Jan, Justine, etc. for representating us all so well. Cheers, Lois __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] re: new dimensions
Jan! Shea, Maree and yourself were wonderful on Tuesday's show! I want to say thanks for training me in my first semester of uni last year as a very green midwifery student. Now I am a fully fledged midwife, still working within the obstetric model of care in the local hospital but often asking WHY!!!, especially in relation to inductions at 40+6 for post dates and routine LSCS's for twins and breech etc. The latest, I am told, is that a previous 3rd or 4th degree tear is an indication for "offering" women the "choice" of LSCS. Have you heard anything so ridiculous in your life (well I guess we all have with many of the interventions that go on almost routinely). However, I am looking forward to gaining much experience and working within a team midwifery model in the near future, plus spendingtime attending midwifery conferences etc now that I no longer have to spend hours upon hours writing assignments. Independent midwives are my inspiration to keep on going within this obstetric model of care, and I feel very privileged to have been partly educated by yourself. Yours in gratitude Sonja
[ozmidwifery] Dimensions Web site
Try this for the transcripts of last nights segment on Midwives http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/dimensions_health/Transcripts/s609217.htm Christine
[ozmidwifery] AMA calls for National Medical Accident Scheme......
Hi fellow listers... I have just sat through the Federal AMA President Dr. Kerryn Phelps address to the National Press Club (NPC) in Canberra on the PII crisis...her address as part of 'Family Doctor Week' proposed the question: 'Medical Practice: An uninsurable risk?' In her address to the NPC... Kerryn Phelps announced the AMA's call and support for State and Federal tort law reformand the AMA's backing for a Gov't funded National Medical Accident Scheme, similar to that of the ACC in NZ.she declared that in the present climate, medical practice is an uninsurable risk, and only drastic law reform that removes the right of patients to sue their doctors in favour of a National Care and Rehabilitation Scheme, and a Gov't funded National Medical Accident Scheme, would we see and end to the PII crisis... Transcripts of her address are available from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
