[ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

[Alphia Possamai]

I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was 
discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and midwifery 
students today.  On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and 
lo and behold there it was.  A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my spelling) 
gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society 
is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis.  He quoted the WHO and NMAP 
and was an obvious supporter of midwives.  The next speaker was a Senator 
Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is- but 
I do know that she is from WA.  Unfortunately her discussion stemmed around 
that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national 
goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to 
midwives.  She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of 
midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed 
them as "too risky".  Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I 
was conducting some form of private roadrage.  I arrived home before much 
else was divulged.  For those of you who are interested I am sure the 
transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following 
website:  www.aph.gov.au  I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there 
will be something ready.  What frustrated me was the purely economic 
rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing.  She neglected to point out 
how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned 
midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society.  the 
restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it on.

Take care everyone
Regards
Alphia

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:

[elizabeth mcalpine]

Perth

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:57 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
  
  Is this in Perth or here??Denise
  
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From: 
elizabeth mcalpine 
To: ozmidwifery 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:01 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 

Debbie, this didn't go through.
Liz
- Original Message - 
From: elizabeth mcalpine 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:41 AM

Debbie,
 
I spoke to Julie who would pass the details to 
Summer.
 
 
Howard Gretton, Channel 7,  
93440731
 
 
I outlined what Denise suggested - after 
firstly asking if he was interested - which he said he was.   I 
was a bit disappointed that a male answered my call but 
still...
I mentioned the word 'series' - so I hope to 
see a weekly episode of following women and their families through 
pregnancy, birth and beyond.   Of course, whilst highlighting the 
role of the midwife!!
 
I hope they take it on - I'm sure it would be 
much better than 'Neighbours' !!
 
Good luck
 
Liz

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard

[Denise Hynd]

Robyn
Any idea of cost?
Denise
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From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


> My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne.  You could talk to her
about
> your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it??
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> >
> > That billboard is right near where I used to live!!
> > Sally
> > -Original Message-
> > From: barbara glare & chris bright [mailto:zacdan@;datafast.net.au]
> > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on
> > your
> > left just past the North Geelong Railway station.
> >
> > If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on
> > www.breastfeeding.asn.au
> >
> > Love, Barb
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:

[Denise Hynd]

Is this in Perth or here??Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:01 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
  
  Debbie, this didn't go through.
  Liz
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth 
  mcalpine 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:41 AM
  
  Debbie,
   
  I spoke to Julie who would pass the details to 
  Summer.
   
   
  Howard Gretton, Channel 7,  
  93440731
   
   
  I outlined what Denise suggested - after firstly 
  asking if he was interested - which he said he was.   I was a bit 
  disappointed that a male answered my call but still...
  I mentioned the word 'series' - so I hope to see 
  a weekly episode of following women and their families through pregnancy, 
  birth and beyond.   Of course, whilst highlighting the role of the 
  midwife!!
   
  I hope they take it on - I'm sure it would be 
  much better than 'Neighbours' !!
   
  Good luck
   
  Liz

[ozmidwifery] Effective Education in Sydney ??

[Julie Clarke]

Hi all listers

I was wondering who I am
going to be lucky enough to meet up with at the next “Effective Education”
workshop to be held by Andrea in Sydney
at the YWCA ?

It’s the 6 day
workshop coming up soon (20, 21, 22 and 25, 26  27 NOV) for both educators and
non-educators on adult learners style, how groups function interpersonal
communication with other people etc. 

(see
www.birthinternational.com  for more details)

I’m really looking
forward to it as it’s the first time I’ve done this intensive 6 day
and I’m keen to know who else is coming ? 

 

 

 

Julie Clarke

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania  NSW  2224

T. (02) 9544 6441

F (02) 9544 9257

M. 0401 265 530

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[Denise Hynd]

30 years then by my reckoning and experience Australia is well over due for
midwifery care!!
Denise
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From: Heartlogic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


>
> Hi Jo, thanks for your affirming words. I appreciate your feedback.
>
> It is vitally important to work with medical students and to challenge
their
> accepted, medically conditioned ways of thinking. It is great you are
doing
> that. You just never know what effect you will have on the future by your
> great work and kindness in teaching them and showing them what woman
> friendly means.  Investment in these beginning medicos is critical.
> Remember, the more emotional you can make it, the more their brains
remember
> and bring it up in the future.  A pity they are imprinted with how "not"
to
> be - you could use that though to really get them to articulate the
desired
> way and make that a stronger imprint - this is where the Socratic style of
> questioning is so useful, for example "How do you think that woman feels
> after." and "what would be a better way of doing" and "what do you
> think the best course of action in that situation would be?" and "Do you
> think Dr Blah Blah was being woman friendly when he " and "Who was in
> control in that situation?  Do you think the woman felt empowered by the
way
> those choices were explained to her?" etc.  It seems that asking is always
> better than telling :-).
>
> Yes, they do get the edges bumped off them by the old guard, that is a
> survival tactic to fit in to the culture... but little by little
>
> Those who know these things say culture change takes about 30 years...
>
> Towards a woman friendly culture,
>
> warmly, Carolyn Hastie
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of JoFromOz
> Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 10:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> I love your post, Carolyn.
>
> You say a lot of what I feel but I don't know how to express it.  The term
> 'stranded beetle' said it all for me...
> It makes me sad, but I am taking this thread as a challenge to be able to
> advocate better for women in situations such as these.
>
> I can only wish the 'new breed' of obstetric residents/registrars and
> obstetricians are more women-friendly.  I have been working with some
> medical students recently, doing their obstetric placements.  Many of them
> are saying that it is a great experience to see how NOT to be when/if they
> specialise in obstetrics.  It is an advantage for the medical students to
> work on a day-to-day basis with midwives, but their growing minds still
get
> poisoned with lectures and tutorials by those 'expert' obstetricians!
>
> Sincerely, Jo
>
> Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
>
> > Interesting also the stranded beetle position in
> > dogs indicates total surrender and lack of power - same for us human
> > females - surrender and acquiescence and one is far less likely to
> complain
> > or dissent in such a position.
> > Roll on NMAP!
> >
> > In solidarity,
> >
> > Carolyn Hastie
>
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[ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Jennifer Semple]

I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that 
human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she 
said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll 
have to double check.

Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?

Jen

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Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta


> sheep's placenta cream, which is
> very good for dermatitis and eczema.  Interesting!


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[ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery

[Jennifer Semple]

I guess I don't have much more to add than what Andrea, Pinky, Tina, & 
others have already said the workshop (I attended in Melbourne on 
Saturday).  So a BIG ditto from me too  :o)

Love to all of you beautiful women who shared yourselves with me.  Vicki 
& Nic- you ARE changing the world.

Love, Jen

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:

[DebSlater]

Thanks

I'll speak to Summer and see if she got the message - I'll also follow up.

Debbie

[ozmidwifery] Fw:

[elizabeth mcalpine]

Debbie, this didn't go through.
Liz
- Original Message - 
From: elizabeth 
mcalpine 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:41 AM

Debbie,
 
I spoke to Julie who would pass the details to 
Summer.
 
 
Howard Gretton, Channel 7,  
93440731
 
 
I outlined what Denise suggested - after firstly 
asking if he was interested - which he said he was.   I was a bit 
disappointed that a male answered my call but still...
I mentioned the word 'series' - so I hope to see a 
weekly episode of following women and their families through pregnancy, birth 
and beyond.   Of course, whilst highlighting the role of the 
midwife!!
 
I hope they take it on - I'm sure it would be much 
better than 'Neighbours' !!
 
Good luck
 
Liz

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: annoying medical crap

[Monica Hook]

  Hi Aviva,
  Lots of points your friend makes are very valid, especially the one 
  about being gentle, some people who haven't had babies (and even some who 
  have!) have no idea how painful it is to have that poking in your belly. I 
  was a bit disturbed to read though :
  snip
  If something was wrong then i'd feel it and could go and see a 
  doctor, 
  snip
  the problem with high blood pressure is that you don't necessarily 
  "feel it", you may feel fantastic, and you can't rely on swelling up 
  either, it can happen very late in hypertensive disease. I'll never forget 
  a young girl of about 20 who "felt too good to be really sick" and refused 
  treatment and was brought in a day later after having a massive stroke, 
  with a severely compromised baby. Even though there's lots of 
  overservicing of pregnancy I really don't think frequent checks in late 
  pregnancy qualifies.
  My 2c worth
  Monica
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wednesday, 
  October 23, 2002 14:12:21
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  Fw: annoying medical crap
   
  
  Hi, All,
   
  This is from my Active Birth Training student. 
  She's given me permission to send it to the list; I love her! I think she 
  and her man are the happiest, most loving couple I have EVER seen. I ought 
  to pay them just to look at them!
  Love to all,
  Aviva
  **
  Hello,
  
  
  
  I had a very annoying experience earlier today.  I'm 36 weeks 
  pregnant now, and from now on the 'routine' doctor visits are 
  weekly.  I think this is a total waste of time, since they just check 
  my blood pressure which is fine, they poke the baby which is annoying and 
  then i leave.  I mean, it's such a waste of resources.  Sure, 
  being in the public health system i don't personally pay for anything, but 
  the system pays, a system whose money can be much better spent on things 
  that are important.  If something was wrong then i'd feel it and 
  could go and see a doctor, but to go and see them so often is just 
  unnecessary when i'm fit and healthy and doing well.  
  Anyway, after waiting in the waiting room for over half an hour, i was 
  called in to the doctor's room.  There was also a student doctor in 
  there.  After checking my blood pressure yet again just to tell me 
  it's fine, then they get you to lie on your back so they can poke your 
  belly and feel the baby.  Yes, there is a baby in there, it's fine, 
  it's head is down ready to be born, your poking doesn't help 
  anything.  So the student presses her hands SO hard into my belly 
  right where the baby's head is and the baby kicked the biggest kick i've 
  ever felt, looked like it was going to bust through the skin, and I yelled 
  "OW!" and the doctor goes "Oh, are you tender there?" and i said "Only 
  when i'm being poked that hard!" and I totally felt like decking the 
  student.  Sure, they have to learn somehow but be a bit 
  gentler.  Poor little baby, just chilling out in a nice, warm safe 
  place, only to be poked and prodded by the stupid medical 
  profession!!!  I am really getting so sick of all this crap.  
  Sure, there are benefits of the medical industry if there's something 
  wrong, but other than that it is such a waste of time having all these 
  unecessary checks.
  Anyway, Jonathan and I are busting to get a place of our own, so we'll 
  start looking this week.  It is becoming a little bit strained living 
  under the same roof with people whose outlook on life is completely 
  different to our own.  Sure my parents are great people who mean 
  well, but they are also very conservative and judgemental and such suckers 
  who believe everything that's fed to them in the media, so lately it's 
  been really frustrating having debates about things which we have 
  completely different attitudes towards.  And don't even get me 
  started on vaccinations.  I have been doing a lot of research into 
  that and it is one of the most disturbing and scary issues that people are 
  blindly accepting in mass proportions.  I could go into it, but what 
  it boils down to is that there are many risks involved, most of which go 
  unheard, it is insane to inject a poison into a healthy baby, vaccinations 
  are not even fully effective, are quite likely a cause of asthma, 
  allergies, ADD, all these modern problems, and then they wear off when the 
  child is older which is when there is a real risk of certain diseases 
  being more harmful.  If someone is naturally exposed to a disease, 
  then they will produce antibodies that

[ozmidwifery] Fw: annoying medical crap

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Hi, All,
 
This is from my Active Birth Training student. She's 
given me permission to send it to the list; I love her! I think she and her man 
are the happiest, most loving couple I have EVER seen. I ought to pay them just 
to look at them!
Love to all,
Aviva
**
Hello,



I had a very annoying experience earlier today.  I'm 36 weeks pregnant 
now, and from now on the 'routine' doctor visits are weekly.  I think this 
is a total waste of time, since they just check my blood pressure which is fine, 
they poke the baby which is annoying and then i leave.  I mean, it's such a 
waste of resources.  Sure, being in the public health system i don't 
personally pay for anything, but the system pays, a system whose money can be 
much better spent on things that are important.  If something was wrong 
then i'd feel it and could go and see a doctor, but to go and see them so often 
is just unnecessary when i'm fit and healthy and doing well.  
Anyway, after waiting in the waiting room for over half an hour, i was called 
in to the doctor's room.  There was also a student doctor in there.  
After checking my blood pressure yet again just to tell me it's fine, then they 
get you to lie on your back so they can poke your belly and feel the baby.  
Yes, there is a baby in there, it's fine, it's head is down ready to be born, 
your poking doesn't help anything.  So the student presses her hands SO 
hard into my belly right where the baby's head is and the baby kicked the 
biggest kick i've ever felt, looked like it was going to bust through the skin, 
and I yelled "OW!" and the doctor goes "Oh, are you tender there?" and i said 
"Only when i'm being poked that hard!" and I totally felt like decking the 
student.  Sure, they have to learn somehow but be a bit gentler.  Poor 
little baby, just chilling out in a nice, warm safe place, only to be poked and 
prodded by the stupid medical profession!!!  I am really getting so sick of 
all this crap.  Sure, there are benefits of the medical industry if there's 
something wrong, but other than that it is such a waste of time having all these 
unecessary checks.
Anyway, Jonathan and I are busting to get a place of our own, so we'll start 
looking this week.  It is becoming a little bit strained living under the 
same roof with people whose outlook on life is completely different to our 
own.  Sure my parents are great people who mean well, but they are also 
very conservative and judgemental and such suckers who believe everything that's 
fed to them in the media, so lately it's been really frustrating having debates 
about things which we have completely different attitudes towards.  And 
don't even get me started on vaccinations.  I have been doing a lot of 
research into that and it is one of the most disturbing and scary issues that 
people are blindly accepting in mass proportions.  I could go into it, but 
what it boils down to is that there are many risks involved, most of which go 
unheard, it is insane to inject a poison into a healthy baby, vaccinations are 
not even fully effective, are quite likely a cause of asthma, allergies, ADD, 
all these modern problems, and then they wear off when the child is older which 
is when there is a real risk of certain diseases being more harmful.  If 
someone is naturally exposed to a disease, then they will produce antibodies 
that stay with them for the rest of their life, and also get passed from mother 
to baby.  Vaccinations wear off, leaving people vulnerable at a much more 
risky time in their life.  Not only that, but diseases mutate, especially 
when multiple diseases are mixed in one vaccine.  All i can say is do your 
research and find out the pros and cons before blindly accepting what the 
medical profession dictates.  Of course it's in the best interest of the 
pharmeceutical companies to promote widespread vaccination, more money for 
them.  And for those people who praise vaccinations for wiping out many 
diseases that used to infect alot of people, in actual fact the number of people 
being infected with these diseases dropped dramatically before vaccinations were 
even introduced, mainly due to improved hygiene and knowledge about how these 
diseases were passed.  Many vaccinated people still get the diseases they 
are supposed to be vaccinated against, vaccines contain preservatives and 
mercury and aluminium and basically i am really disturbed at the ignorance 
surrounding this issue.  Ok, so i've elaborated more than i meant to, but 
it is a serious issue.  Don't even attempt to explain any of this to my 
parents, it just falls on deaf ears.  To them, you're risking the lives of 
the children if you don't vaccinate, which is exactly what the medical 
profession dictates.  In actual fact, non-vaccinated children are generally 
much healthier, have less health problems and develop a very strong natural 
immune system which will stay with them for their whole lives, not like the 
vaccinated people w

RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

[Robyn Thompson]

Maybe we should develop a dossier with all the current facts and research
extracts that we all carry when spreading the word A NMAP DOSSIER that means
we are all spreading the same world with the latest facts.  If we all
contribute someone like me or others maybe able to compile it and update it.
It could go to anyone on the Planet it would united and factual the message
strong and concise.

In agreeance with a National TV Programme that teaches practical information
weekly would be good. Something to replace the Soapies.  I go into many
homes every week and the families are almost always watching the soapies
often they don't turn it off during our 1 to 2 hour consultation.  At times
I have to ask for the volume to be turned down.

If only we had a National dynamic programme for FAmilies, students, on
pregnancy, birth breastfeeding and lot's more!!  How many people might
we reach?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Julie Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] educating the community


Hi all
Denise's suggestion to use TV as an effective medium for educating the
public is certainly something I agree with, and I hope that somewhere
someone is working on a script.
In the meantime in my everyday life I talk to anyone and everyone about
normal childbirth and Australia's uniquely abnormal system compared to
other countries.
Yesterday I was attending a course Certificate V Workplace Training and
I was able to get in the topic on several occasions.
(a) one of the other participants was 5 months pregnant :-) golden
opportunity ! She is booked in to a private hospital.  I was able to
explain the intervention rates at private hospitals and other options
she might like to consider.  :-)
(b) the trainer was of Dutch descent. So I praised her country of origin
and informed her of the nature of maternity services, the safety etc She
was surprised and totally unaware of the extent of homebirth in her
country and the safe outcomes.

That just give 2 examples of how these people who were previously
completely oblivious to the reality of maternity services in Australia
and now they know.
Chances are they will talk to someone else who will talk to someone
else...
Beautiful isn't it :-)

Julie Clarke
Childbirth and Parenting Educator
Transition into Parenthood
9 Withybrook Pl
Sylvania  NSW  2224
T. (02) 9544 6441
F (02) 9544 9257
M. 0401 265 530
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

Dear All
I keep coming back to the need for our community to see and understand
that
there is another way a woman centred way to birth.
The women and families need to see it so they can ask for it as do the
midwives and other health professionals
So please some one help get a programme on national TV that looks at and
follows women, families and the midwives thru women centred care in
Australia
On the Community Midwfery Program Wa as with most homebirths the labours
prgress with love and support for what the woman needs most births
happen
with out VE's and so many other intrusions!

Please does some one have a connection to help show this way of birthing
and
care in pregnancy to our nation!!
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Robin Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


> It's all very scary isnt it?
> the majority of women will accept such practices because of their
belief
in
> the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the
issue
> where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it
because it
> is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he
'had'
to
> find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not ready is
the
> clearest indicator that  it's not ready! Not that it requires
pummelling
> into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a
number of
> hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within
minutes
> had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of blood
in
> that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have been
next
> day.
>
> Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence in the
> Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional  'shadowland' when
it
> comes to  an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical practices. Or,
more
> realistically, be heard.
> http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html
>
> Robin
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> > You know 

RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard

[Robyn Thompson]

My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne.  You could talk to her about
your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


>
> That billboard is right near where I used to live!!
> Sally
> -Original Message-
> From: barbara glare & chris bright [mailto:zacdan@;datafast.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
> Hi,
>
> If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on
> your
> left just past the North Geelong Railway station.
>
> If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on
> www.breastfeeding.asn.au
>
> Love, Barb
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop

[Robyn Thompson]

Title: Message



Dear 
Nic and Vicki
Just a 
short note to say congratulations on your workshops.  I am just 
managing to keep my head above water at present.  I love to be with my 
family and grandchildren and my work keeps me more than happily occupied, tired 
and sometimes exhausted.  To this end I must limit what I can do for 
my own peace and sanity.  Keep up the good work for women and 
midwives.  I sometimes fear I am running out of time to complete all the 
things I need to. If you are around call me and if I am not with a birthing 
woman I will arrange to meet you or you can come over here.  
 
 
Lots 
of Love  Robyn

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki 
  ChanSent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:30 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive 
  Midwifery Workshop
  Thank you all to the wonderful women who joined us on Saturday!!! What 
  a day!!
   
  We 
  have one more workshop this Saturday at Nambour! A couple of places 
  left!
  For 
  information, call me on 0402 140769 or to book call Nic on 0412 
  020836
   
  After that, I'm planning one big sleep!!!
   
  Love 
  to allVicki
  

-Original Message-From: elizabeth 
mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 
20, 2002 8:52 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [birthnews] intuitive 
workshop
Hello listers,
 
Yesterday, I attended Vicki Chan & Nic 
Edmonstone's 'Intuitive Workshop'.    What a beautiful, 
emotive, empowering, enlightening and fun 
day.   
 
A day which - 
reinforced my commitment to change childbirth 
practices 
refueled my passion to stop the conditioning 
which the medical model propagates.
 
But yup, I have to stop being like a bull in a 
china shop and follow Vicki and Nic's example 
of a gentle opening of the mind towards deconditioning & 
understanding.
To end, with their words.
 
 
"A better world..
   Where 
birth is sacred..
    
        Life is treasured..
    
        Death is honoured..
    
        Peace at Birth..
        
                
    Peace on Earth"
 
 
Thank you Vicki and Nic and all you beautiful 
women who shared the day with me.
 
Much, much love.   
Liz
 
 
 

[ozmidwifery] tv programme

[Larry & Megan]

This Friday night on SBS, About Us, 8.30pm, they are doing a story on rape,
talking to various women about their experiences. Intrigued how the cosmic
world works, we have been discussing this topic and now we have the
oppurtunity for more info.

Also if anyone is interested in the USA and Iraq problem, the Ex Dir of
Greenpeace USA, has written a letter to George Bush asking him what he will
tell his daughters. Interesting read.
http://www.greenpeace.org/features/details?features_id=47524

Cheers
Megan.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Living and dying

[Jo Slamen]

Title: Living and dying



Sue,
 
As a mother of another March 2002 baby, I have 
wept for the mother that she won't see her child grow and for the baby that she 
won't hear from her mother how treasured she was, and counted my blessings me 
and mine are all together - for now.
 
This event will live with you always, and I hope 
you can find some peace in the decision of the men in the mother's life - very 
difficult given your personal experience.
 
Best wishes during your grief,
 
Jo

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sue 
  Cookson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:40 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Living and 
  dying
  
  Hi all,Want to share with you the extent of the 'trial' of 
being a homebirth attendant.Last week, one of the mothers whose births I 
attended in March was hit by a car and life support turned off at 5 
days.I want to try to share with you the absolute grief I felt at such a 
callous and medical attitude to a mother's life.The decision to turn her 
off was made by her partner (of 12 months), and her two brothers.There are 
no parents, and there were no others who were mothers who were there to make 
the decision.She was my friend as well as one of my birthing mums. She 
was 41 and gave birth to her first (and only) baby in water at home on a 
lovely March morning. She was an animal activist, a birth activist, a 
strong, passionate woman who became my friend. We were building a 'wicked 
birth' website together.I read this and realise that you probably 
won't 'get' the gist of my pain and grief from my lack of ability to explain 
it. I helped this woman prepare for her birth, give birth, and then I helped 
through her tough post-partum period. Her baby is now 6 months old and is 
permanently without her mother. The medical told her family she was 
brain dead, had no future, the machines read nothing, it was irrefutable. I 
had gone through a similar scenario with my brother some years ago - only my 
mother in her mother's strength said 'no' to giving up on my brother. He 
woke up 3 months after his accident and his first words were ' get me out of 
here'. He now lives on his own and is as good as most of our 
population.I only wanted the same for the little baby girl. 
As much as we give to all the couples we help through birth, we can 
also give through death. I remember reading the article "midwives for the 
dying" some years ago, and now understand what it means.I fail to 
understand how clinical and disconnected and unbelieving in miracles this 
world can be ... I am proud to stand outside that box.Sue 
Cookson

RE: [ozmidwifery] Living and dying

[Vicki Chan]

Title: Message



   
   Blessings Sue    ¢¾
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
  
 ¢¾  Love, 
Vicki



 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sue 
  CooksonSent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:41 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Living and 
  dying
  Hi all,Want to share with you the extent of the 'trial' of 
being a homebirth attendant.Last week, one of the mothers whose births I 
attended in March was hit by a car and life support turned off at 5 
days.I want to try to share with you the absolute grief I felt at such a 
callous and medical attitude to a mother's life.The decision to turn her 
off was made by her partner (of 12 months), and her two brothers.There are 
no parents, and there were no others who were mothers who were there to make 
the decision.She was my friend as well as one of my birthing mums. She 
was 41 and gave birth to her first (and only) baby in water at home on a 
lovely March morning. She was an animal activist, a birth activist, a 
strong, passionate woman who became my friend. We were building a 'wicked 
birth' website together.I read this and realise that you probably 
won't 'get' the gist of my pain and grief from my lack of ability to explain 
it. I helped this woman prepare for her birth, give birth, and then I helped 
through her tough post-partum period. Her baby is now 6 months old and is 
permanently without her mother. The medical told her family she was 
brain dead, had no future, the machines read nothing, it was irrefutable. I 
had gone through a similar scenario with my brother some years ago - only my 
mother in her mother's strength said 'no' to giving up on my brother. He 
woke up 3 months after his accident and his first words were ' get me out of 
here'. He now lives on his own and is as good as most of our 
population.I only wanted the same for the little baby girl. 
As much as we give to all the couples we help through birth, we can 
also give through death. I remember reading the article "midwives for the 
dying" some years ago, and now understand what it means.I fail to 
understand how clinical and disconnected and unbelieving in miracles this 
world can be ... I am proud to stand outside that box.Sue 
Cookson

Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[DebSlater]

Liz

Can you email me offlist with the details you gave Summer, and I'll make sure that she gets them (and maybe I can follow up)?  Thanks

Debbie Slater
Perth, WA
new Chair of CMWA

Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[Denise Hynd]

Dear elizabeth
I am in sydeny working for NMAP
Denise
- Original Message -
From: elizabeth mcalpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


> Denise,
> I tried to reach you in Perth at the Community Midwifery Programme,
> regarding a contact in Perth, channel 7, who seemed very interested in
your
> proposal.
> Spoke to Julie who will pass on the message to Summer Goodwin, the PR
> officer.
> Liz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dear All
> > I keep coming back to the need for our community to see and understand
> that
> > there is another way a woman centred way to birth.
> > The women and families need to see it so they can ask for it as do the
> > midwives and other health professionals
> > So please some one help get a programme on national TV that looks at and
> > follows women, families and the midwives thru women centred care in
> > Australia
> > On the Community Midwfery Program Wa as with most homebirths the labours
> > prgress with love and support for what the woman needs most births
happen
> > with out VE's and so many other intrusions!
> >
> > Please does some one have a connection to help show this way of birthing
> and
> > care in pregnancy to our nation!!
> > Denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robin Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> >
> >
> > > It's all very scary isnt it?
> > > the majority of women will accept such practices because of their
belief
> > in
> > > the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the
> issue
> > > where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it
because
> it
> > > is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he
'had'
> > to
> > > find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not ready is

> the
> > > clearest indicator that  it's not ready! Not that it requires
> > pummelling
> > > into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a
number
> of
> > > hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within
> minutes
> > > had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of blood
in
> > > that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have been
> next
> > > day.
> > >
> > > Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence in the
> > > Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional  'shadowland' when
> it
> > > comes to  an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical practices. Or,
> more
> > > realistically, be heard.
> > > http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html
> > >
> > > Robin
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> > >
> > >
> > > > You know Denise, you have touched on something I have discussed with
> > Vicki
> > > > many times - love. What we (aspire to) do as midwives means loving
> > women.
> > > > And I have also experienced anger and hate for speaking about this
> > > > (situations where women suffer at the hands of professionals who are
> > > > supposed to care but cannot, or else why would they not stop when a
> > woman
> > > > asks them to, when she feels she is hurting, or being injured or
> worse,
> > > > violated).
> > > >
> > > > So I say again, as I did in a recent posting, there is a Health
Rights
> > > > Commission there to be utilised in instances just such as these. If
> the
> > > > woman cannot find the strength (or does not wish, for whatever
reason)
> > to
> > > > take the issue further, then we as midwives can (we can in QLD -
> > > anonymously
> > > > too, because midwives also are threatened for rocking the boat).
> > Partners
> > > > often feel intense anger at what occurs, but when the babe is born,
> > there
> > > is
> > > > the "well, thank goodness my partner and the baby are OK" thoughts
> which
> > > are
> > > > reinforced by professionals when they say  "a good outcome, eh?"
There
> > is
> > > an
> > > > increasing body of evidence which points to the trauma partners also
> > > > experience when they are witness to these ATROCITIES (and one has to
> > call
> > > > them that, for that is what they are). This is so connected to the
> > > couple's
> > > > most intimate, personal and sexual selves - but where are the
avenues
> > for
> > > > them to say "No DON'T!" Or when they do say, shoutplead, who
> hears,
> > > and
> > > > moreso, who listens?
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:11 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Megan and others
> > > > > I wish this was an aberation but as some one who has t

[ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth

[Larry & Megan]

A special thankyou for all of your comments and thoughts.

I will contact her in a few days and gently ask how she feels about her
induction and birth, giving her the oppurtunity to speak. I will also inform
her of her rights to not have an internal at the 6 week checkup, unless
medically indicated, or to ask for a midwife to do it.

When did we decide that it was OK to allow ourselves to be treated as such?
and
Why do those of us who say no to this become labeled as alternative?

tired but strengthened,
Megan.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Golly, that looks like it could be my cue! I want to 
write for telly -- far more lucrative than theatre and you reach so many more 
people. Once my new radio play is finished (long way to go, short time though!) 
I'll think it over. Not that I've learned how to write TV yet, but I've never 
let a lack of knowledge get in the way. Gain the knowledge, gain the experience 
and go go go, is the way to get things done. Again, this list is for the 
go-getters, and I love it.
 
Aviva

Denise's suggestion to use TV as an effective medium for educating 
thepublic is certainly something I agree with, and I hope that 
somewheresomeone is working on a script.
 

[ozmidwifery] CARES SA COFFEE EVENING

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi All 

Just a quick reminder that CARES coffee evening is this Wednesday night!!
 Sorry about the very late notice, my Uni committments have been very consuming.

Wednesday 23rd October  
From 8pm 
Carolyn's House 
27 Wellington Street, Glandore SA 5037 
Phone 8293 8333 


Please bring a small plate to share and a gold coin donation or stamps  would
be appreciated.  A lot of women who have contacted us over the last 12 months
have given birth in the last month or are expecting within the next month,
we wish them the very best of thoughts for their births and hope that they
are all beautiful events, no matter what the outcome.  Dont forget to let
us know how it all goes; as we sit here thinking about you wonderful, powerful
birthing women. :-) 

Looking forward to seeing you then.
Bye for now. 
Carolyn Donaghey-Harris 
CARES SA Inc 

[ozmidwifery] educating the community

[Julie Clarke]

Hi all
Denise's suggestion to use TV as an effective medium for educating the
public is certainly something I agree with, and I hope that somewhere
someone is working on a script.
In the meantime in my everyday life I talk to anyone and everyone about
normal childbirth and Australia's uniquely abnormal system compared to
other countries.
Yesterday I was attending a course Certificate V Workplace Training and
I was able to get in the topic on several occasions.
(a) one of the other participants was 5 months pregnant :-) golden
opportunity ! She is booked in to a private hospital.  I was able to
explain the intervention rates at private hospitals and other options
she might like to consider.  :-)
(b) the trainer was of Dutch descent. So I praised her country of origin
and informed her of the nature of maternity services, the safety etc She
was surprised and totally unaware of the extent of homebirth in her
country and the safe outcomes.

That just give 2 examples of how these people who were previously
completely oblivious to the reality of maternity services in Australia
and now they know.
Chances are they will talk to someone else who will talk to someone
else...
Beautiful isn't it :-)

Julie Clarke
Childbirth and Parenting Educator
Transition into Parenthood
9 Withybrook Pl
Sylvania  NSW  2224
T. (02) 9544 6441
F (02) 9544 9257
M. 0401 265 530
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

Dear All
I keep coming back to the need for our community to see and understand
that
there is another way a woman centred way to birth.
The women and families need to see it so they can ask for it as do the
midwives and other health professionals
So please some one help get a programme on national TV that looks at and
follows women, families and the midwives thru women centred care in
Australia
On the Community Midwfery Program Wa as with most homebirths the labours
prgress with love and support for what the woman needs most births
happen
with out VE's and so many other intrusions!

Please does some one have a connection to help show this way of birthing
and
care in pregnancy to our nation!!
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Robin Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


> It's all very scary isnt it?
> the majority of women will accept such practices because of their
belief
in
> the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the
issue
> where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it
because it
> is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he
'had'
to
> find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not ready is
the
> clearest indicator that  it's not ready! Not that it requires
pummelling
> into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a
number of
> hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within
minutes
> had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of blood
in
> that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have been
next
> day.
>
> Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence in the
> Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional  'shadowland' when
it
> comes to  an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical practices. Or,
more
> realistically, be heard.
> http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html
>
> Robin
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> > You know Denise, you have touched on something I have discussed with
Vicki
> > many times - love. What we (aspire to) do as midwives means loving
women.
> > And I have also experienced anger and hate for speaking about this
> > (situations where women suffer at the hands of professionals who are
> > supposed to care but cannot, or else why would they not stop when a
woman
> > asks them to, when she feels she is hurting, or being injured or
worse,
> > violated).
> >
> > So I say again, as I did in a recent posting, there is a Health
Rights
> > Commission there to be utilised in instances just such as these. If
the
> > woman cannot find the strength (or does not wish, for whatever
reason)
to
> > take the issue further, then we as midwives can (we can in QLD -
> anonymously
> > too, because midwives also are threatened for rocking the boat).
Partners
> > often feel intense anger at what occurs, but when the babe is born,
there
> is
> > the "well, thank goodness my partner and the baby are OK" thoughts
which
> are
> > reinforced by professionals when they say  "a good outcome, eh?"
There
is
> an
> > increasing body of evidence which

[ozmidwifery] contact details please

[Lynne Staff]

Hi Leigh (Evans), can you please email me? Did you 
have a good holiday? Hope so! I am looking for a contact address/phone for 
Debbie Drever and her friend Gail. I have someone who needs to talk to 
them
Thanks - Lynne 
PS Any news about Lisa?
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Allergy tests

[Christina & Damien]

Edwina,
I see 
a chiropractor in Glenelg who has helped me greatly with allergies.
If you would like to email me privately or send me 
your phone number via private email, we can talk more.
Christina.

-Original Message-From: 
Vance & Edwina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Saturday, 19 October 2002 12:50Subject: [ozmidwifery] Allergy 
tests


Dear 
List
 
Can anyone 
recommend somewhere to go to get an allergy test for my daughter.  
She has a terrible scalp problem – scaly, weeping & 
bleeding sores, dandruff, itchyness – 
have tried all the medical remedies from dandruff shampoo to goodness 
knows what!  She also has 
suffered with eczema (mild-mod) since she was two and I have generally 
treated this with zinc cream and cotton bandages at night.  I am out of ideas for her scalp 
though.  We live in the 
Adelaide Hills (Mt Barker).  Any 
suggestions?
 
Thanks, 
Edwina

Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[Lynne Staff]

I'll get right onto it!!! BTW, looking forward to next week
- Original Message -
From: "Robin Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


> what an excellent idea.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> > I think at the ICM Midwives Conference in Bris 2005 - I kow it's a long
> way
> > off yet (it's just around the corner really), but what a venue and there
> are
> > many things being planned surrounding the event to increase public
> awareness
> > of midwives, so why not increase awareness of this aspect of women's
lives
> > too. Many of us become intertwined with this aspect of womens' lives in
> our
> > work as midwives. Especially given the fact that it is so common.
Perhaps
> an
> > exhibition of how it relates to birthing too. That's the first thought
> that
> > jumped into my head, but I will have a longer think about it.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sally Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> >
> >
> > > Dear Lynne,
> > >
> > > At the moment it is just in Perth, but having spoken to these
wonderful
> > > women would love the opportunity to help it travel but am looking for
> > > sponsorship. I, too, have a piece on childhood sexual abuse, my final
> > folio
> > > for my Diploma in Illustrative Photography which needs to be 'out
there'
> > > rather than in my wardrobe at home.
> > >
> > > If you have any ideas on where a collaborative exhibition like this
> could
> > be
> > > held I would truly love to know.
> > >
> > > Thank you for you interest.
> > > Love Sally
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sally, is this exhibititon able to be seen in other cities in the
> > country?
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Sally Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Please, please, please ask your friend to reconsider making a
> > complaint,
> > > > > this goes on all the time  and yet again nothing is done.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just been to Perth and stumbled across an art exhibition
> called
> > > > > Broken Promises. It was an exhibition by survivors of sexual abuse
> by
> > > > > medical practitioners and was both powerful and horrifying. They
are
> > at
> > > > > present trying to update the WA Medical Act from 1894 !!
> > > 1894.
> > > > > which omits any reference to sexual abuse, this omission leaves
the
> > > health
> > > > > consumer very vulnerable as you can imagine.
> > > > >
> > > > > The statistics are frightening too, stating 1 in 10 medical
> > > practitioners
> > > > > perpetrate abuse, however very few are brought to justice because
of
> > the
> > > > > medical professions penchant to close ranks and protect their own
> and
> > > the
> > > > > fear the victims have of disclosing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any sexual abuse is abhorrent, this dr must be told how your
friend
> > > felt.
> > > > >
> > > > > I truly hope your friend finds a way of overcoming the anguish
that
> > she
> > > > > isfeeling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love Sally
> > > > >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[Lynne Staff]

It's also similar when women say "I've always had to have my waters broken -
the doctors tell me they are so tough they would never break on their own".
Funny - I thought membranes had to be tough - they have to last the whole
pregnancy! And what a job they do!
- Original Message -
From: "Robin Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


> It's all very scary isnt it?
> the majority of women will accept such practices because of their belief
in
> the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the issue
> where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it because it
> is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he 'had'
to
> find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not ready is the
> clearest indicator that  it's not ready! Not that it requires
pummelling
> into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a number of
> hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within minutes
> had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of blood in
> that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have been next
> day.
>
> Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence in the
> Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional  'shadowland' when it
> comes to  an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical practices. Or, more
> realistically, be heard.
> http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html
>
> Robin
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> > You know Denise, you have touched on something I have discussed with
Vicki
> > many times - love. What we (aspire to) do as midwives means loving
women.
> > And I have also experienced anger and hate for speaking about this
> > (situations where women suffer at the hands of professionals who are
> > supposed to care but cannot, or else why would they not stop when a
woman
> > asks them to, when she feels she is hurting, or being injured or worse,
> > violated).
> >
> > So I say again, as I did in a recent posting, there is a Health Rights
> > Commission there to be utilised in instances just such as these. If the
> > woman cannot find the strength (or does not wish, for whatever reason)
to
> > take the issue further, then we as midwives can (we can in QLD -
> anonymously
> > too, because midwives also are threatened for rocking the boat).
Partners
> > often feel intense anger at what occurs, but when the babe is born,
there
> is
> > the "well, thank goodness my partner and the baby are OK" thoughts which
> are
> > reinforced by professionals when they say  "a good outcome, eh?" There
is
> an
> > increasing body of evidence which points to the trauma partners also
> > experience when they are witness to these ATROCITIES (and one has to
call
> > them that, for that is what they are). This is so connected to the
> couple's
> > most intimate, personal and sexual selves - but where are the avenues
for
> > them to say "No DON'T!" Or when they do say, shoutplead, who hears,
> and
> > moreso, who listens?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> >
> >
> > > Dear Megan and others
> > > I wish this was an aberation but as some one who has taken students
for
> > > maternity expereince in different hospitals and done agency work in
even
> > > more I have seen too much acceptance of this insensitivity to the
> physical
> > > and emotional feelings of women.
> > > Look at this particualr situation and multiply it be even a smal
> > proportion
> > > of the ARMs out there!
> > >
> > > There would have been hospital staff present when this was happening
did
> > > they say anything were they even looking to see how this woman was
> > reacting,
> > > let alone her partner??
> > >
> > > Why did they not say anything to him let alone intercede?
> > >
> > > Too many of us do not question let alone act to stop these situations.
> > >
> > > Rather midwives help set the women up for these procedures and
maintain
> > that
> > > this is necessary that really sadenes me!!
> > > And I have expereinced the anger and hate when I say these things
> > >
> > > For me we need the change of implementing NMAP not only to improve the
> > > experinces of the birthing women but to bring the attendants back to
> what
> > it
> > > is to be a woman to feel her real pains, to be "with Woman"  and act
to
> > stop
> > > the cause, to show them they can and should act in love not fear
around
> > > birth.
> > >
> > > Denise
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Larry & Megan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTE