date:20021028




Dear All
I think you will find you have to do some heavy 
education of this list of prominent Aust women for example but Janet HolmesAcourt was the chair (?) of the board og 
King Edward Memorial Hospital.
Probably Rupert's mother and daughter in law are 
heavily involved with medical research "charities" or boards, but go 
particularly if you have a lead/contact!!Kerrie Packer's daughter had 
her baby in the birth centre at KGv, but he runs Channel 9 who runs Good 
Medicine, 60 Minutes, RPA and A current Affair who are the painless birth = C/S 
crowd, so that would be great conversion job!

A patron with a cross generation profile would be 
good such as Noni H, who had her boys at home with MLT.
Denise


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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:01 
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  In a message dated 10/27/02 8:36:07 AM W. Australia 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Our suggestions for a benefactor were (no idea of spelling or 
title),JanetHolmesacourt, Dame Murdoch(mother of Rupert), Sara Ohare 
(might want a babyone day?), Prof Fiona Stanley and SA's Governer 
General, Marjorie Jackson.Mel tried very hard to 
  contact Fiona Stanley to endorse NMAP - without success. Mel was always 
  put through (when she rang) to some underling - the reason being that she is 
  just too busy to look at everything she receives. We have her contact 
  details, and there is nothing to be lost by keeping on at her - just a 
  warning, she is not an easy person to get hold of :-)Debbie 
  SlaterPerth, WA

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Dear Debbie
What about offereing CMWA information (I know it 
would have to be cleared with CMWA Management Committtee) for comparative 
research as a follow-on to Trace and Gillian's study "Birth Transforms her" 
where they looked at the positive parenting and breastfeeding 
outcomes
Surely that would get Prof Stanley's attention and 
then patronage??Denise

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  In a message dated 10/27/02 8:36:07 AM W. Australia 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Our suggestions for a benefactor were (no idea of spelling or 
title),JanetHolmesacourt, Dame Murdoch(mother of Rupert), Sara Ohare 
(might want a babyone day?), Prof Fiona Stanley and SA's Governer 
General, Marjorie Jackson.Mel tried very hard to 
  contact Fiona Stanley to endorse NMAP - without success. Mel was always 
  put through (when she rang) to some underling - the reason being that she is 
  just too busy to look at everything she receives. We have her contact 
  details, and there is nothing to be lost by keeping on at her - just a 
  warning, she is not an easy person to get hold of :-)Debbie 
  SlaterPerth, WA

[ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

2002-10-28 Thread Smith, Anne

Title: Love of midwifery

Dear list,

I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the midwives.

One example, i am really against the use of CTG's in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why l try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to take over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully endorse NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really change the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about beds and money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this town for 11 years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in particular). We have no free antenatal care except for one midwife who works with aboriginal women (who we also refer white women to). If women only knew what was going on and they care they get from their doctors is less than substandard.

I hate feeling like this. Women are being ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what ever happens, l need to go on...

sorry, but l really needed to get this off my chest.

MIdwife trying to make a difference

Fiona Dunmore

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Hi all,

Leslie just dropped in for dinner. He's interested 
in the idea of making the film/ad/whatever it may be. He was at his little 
sister's birth and wouldn't balk at anything. Reckons he's not afraid of 
anything or anybody at all, oh dear! Not that I don't want Nic's work...it's 
absolutely gorgeous, but why not check all possibilities?
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Julie Clarke 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Karen were you referring to the video presented at the NACE 
Conferenceat Qld a couple of years ago ?

RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

2002-10-28 Thread Robyn Thompson

Title: Love of midwifery



Hi 
Fiona
I just 
happened to be on line about Professional Indemnity Issues when your email came 
through.I can feel your frustration. The intervention rate is 
the same country and city. I visited 6 women in their homes last Wednesday 
and 5 out of the 6 had LUSS. This is common every week I home visit. 
These are women who birth in the hospital system and now have breastfeeding 
problems.

One 
woman tired and exhausted told me thather obstetrician booked a LUSCS 
because she told him that her baby had just turned to the breech, just on 
term. She went along with this (second baby) because she felt fearful with 
the information he gave her.Not informed choice just fear and 
trepidation. While she was being prepped by the midwife for Operation the 
baby turned to cephalic. She knew this because it was the same strange 
feeling she experienced when the baby turned to breech.The midwife 
palpated her and agreed the baby was now cephalic and proceeded to continue with 
the prep, catherisation and took her to the Operating Room. No discussion 
just that everything was ready and off we go. She felt scared and was not 
able to stand up and walk out at that point. Now she wishes she had, she 
feels very cheated hence her breastfeeding problems.

Women 
need to be informed, educated andsupported but the reality is - it is not 
happening. So I feel for you and thefrustration of the midwife 
within. CTG is not a management decision really, women can refuse CTG but 
they must be educated, most agree to these intervention on the basis of 
fear.Fiona you need to be supported, I 
feel like I would love to come and work in the area just to start a midwife 
approach, but I am getting to old for all of this now, the battle here is just 
as bad. 

I must 
say that when I take someone into the hospital system from home we go armed with 
a written plan and we make sure that the team listens to us. We request a 
meeting and that means pull up a chair and sit down and talk to us. The 
woman is never lying down on a bed when we talk and in most cases she takes the 
highest/most elevated place with her partner and myself close by. We make 
sure we have an arrangement that nothing is done unless the woman is well 
informed and gives her consent. But I must say that this has developed 
over many years, I have learnt from strong women how to deal with the pressures 
of the system. Not always perfect but most of the time good results. 
The women use the Hospital Bill of Rights to refer to if there is any argument 
about their Rights (see RWH booklet on Patient Rights and 
Responsibilities)and they also have a copy of the Homebirth Bill of Rights 
and Responsibilities which should apply for all women. By knowing their 
rights they maintainequality. Maybe there are some strong midwives 
around who would like to set up a midwifery group private 
practice and start referring and advertising so that women can have 
the option to at least start withmidwives for antenatal education, 
information preparationand come back to debrief. I don't envisage it 
will take off immediately but if you are patientreferral will work by word 
of mouth.

A few 
years ago now, had to transfer a woman to hospital eventually for epidural and 
much, much later for LUSCS. It was the first time I heard a woman tell the 
Obstetrician to "get out of the room, you are in my face and I don't like 
it. I will call you when I want to talk to you". The 
Obstetrician looked at me indicating her need for support. I just politely 
told her she should do what the woman says that is her right, and I am employed 
by herand fully support her. Guess what the doctors were all waiting 
to get away to watch the football Grand Final. They missed it of course 
and another shift came on much later. The woman chose only to communicate 
with the more woman friendly Registrar and requested that her LUSCS be done by 
the Registrar. It all worked out for her in the 
end.

Not 
sure if this will be helpful Fiona but women need midwives like 
you.


Midwife regards, Robyn

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smith, 
  AnneSent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:35 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  Dear list, 
  I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for 
  woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being 
  a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is 
  breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the 
  system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical 
  based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being 
  a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to 
  doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been 
  yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our

Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

Title: Love of midwifery



I understand completely. I came home 
crying tonight because some film festival organizer wouldn't come to see Nic 
 Vicki's video about humanized birth, which should be diseminated around 
Australia. (working on that!) And work?? Working on 
that. 

Yep.Beating one's head against a brick wall 
is tough.
But when the going gets tough.the tough get 
going.

Keep your spirits up. Humanized birth 
is a human right!!!
Liz Mc
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Smith, Anne 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:34 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  
  Dear list, 
  I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for 
  woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being 
  a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is 
  breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the 
  system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical 
  based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being 
  a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to 
  doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been 
  yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our 
  hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me 
  feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do 
  not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about 
  the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the 
  midwives. 
  One example, i am really against the use of CTG's 
  in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management 
  wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I 
  produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that 
  this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why 
  l try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues 
  feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to 
  take over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully 
  endorse NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really 
  change the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about 
  beds and money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this 
  town for 11 years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in 
  particular). We have no free antenatal care except for one midwife who 
  works with aboriginal women (who we also refer white women to). If women 
  only knew what was going on and they care they get from their doctors is less 
  than substandard.
  I hate feeling like this. Women are being 
  ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l 
  can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no 
  where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach 
  thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what 
  ever happens, l need to go on...
  sorry, but l really needed to get this off my 
  chest. 
  MIdwife trying to make a difference 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

Barb,

Let's go.  Who are the contacts??
Liz Mc
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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:31 PM
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 Hi,

 I just did the crash course on TV advertising, helping to  organise The
 Boss ads for ABA.  Having no money to work with, we had to do the old
 loaves and fishes trick and get in happening at a minimal cost.   I, too
 think Nic and Vicki's In union would make a terrific basis for an ad.
 Makes me cry every time.  I can help with costs and contacts.

 Love, Barb

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Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers,

The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in 
Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which 
they have none.It is also an increasing global issue - 
particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the WorldHealth 
Organizationin 1985 as being of paramount importance. 
Reference can be given if necessary.

Industrialized childbirth harms future generations, 
and leads to lack of respect for nature and the environment. It is 
so important.

Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, 
disappointed and heartbroken. 

Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 
minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about 
except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. 
ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged 
that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested 
parties. 

sincerely,

Elizabeth McAlpine

RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

2002-10-28 Thread Sally Westbury









Hi Fiona



It is really difficult.



I worked for a short while back in the
hospital system and must admit that I was really happy that I would not have to
deal with, on a daily basis, the conflict and lack of continuity that midwives
in the hospitals have to put up with. I think that if I had to do what hospital
based midwives do on a daily basis I would not be a midwife for long and so I
would like to say 



MIDWIVES WHO WORK WITHIN THE HOSPITAL AND ADVOCATE AND STAND WITH
WOMEN FOR THEIR BASIC RIGHTS ARE FANTASTIC!!! IT IS NOT EASY!! IT IS EXHAUSTING!!



Now what have all you midwives done for yourself
today to keep yourself sane?



If nothing else, today Fiona, you have my admiration
and I ask those goodly forces in the universe to provide for you strength, courage
and endurance and surround you with peace and joy.



Change must be initiated from all aspect
and people who work within the system for change are vital, stay strong good
women.



I know that I am saying things that we all
know but I just want to affirm you. You know these things in your heart. Stay
true.



In peace and joy



Sally Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

2002-10-28 Thread Jayne

Mmmm, wasn't that on a Huggies ad?  Hope I've got it wrong!

- Original Message - 
From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

 Karen were you referring to the video presented at the NACE Conference
 at Qld a couple of years ago ?
 With the Roberta Flack song The first time ever I saw your face as
 background music ?
 That's the first video of Nic's that I have seen and I don't think there
 was a dry eye in the room - educators were reaching for tissues
 everywhere.

 Julie Clarke
 Childbirth and Parenting Educator
 Transition into Parenthood
 9 Withybrook Pl
 Sylvania  NSW  2224
 T. (02) 9544 6441
 F (02) 9544 9257
 M. 0401 265 530
 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Karen Arthur
 Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 7:32 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

 Hi everyone,

 Nic's videos have my vote as well.  When I first saw the images of the
 first one she did, I thought that we needed the general public to see
 these, and then they'd understand what we're trying to say.  A picture
 tells a thousand words.

 Have a great day

 Karen

 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Semple [mailto:jennifer.semple1;students.vu.edu.au]
 Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:59 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

 I think those CPA ads are really effective too.   if you have a really 
 good ad that people actually like to see, I think one ad is just as 
 effective as 3 different ones.

 An ad for midwifery is a GREAT idea... ofcourse I have NO IDEA how much 
 ad space/time costs... but EVERYONE loves to look at babies.

 Nic Edmonstone's videos are so powerful... radiating beauty, emotion,  
 love... she would be able to get to the heart of it in 10 seconds or 
 however much time an ads is.

 Anyway, just my two cents.  Cheers, Jen

 - Original Message -
 From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:35 am
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

  Hi list

  I couldn't agree with Robyn and Julie more about TV coverage but
  participation in a regular show would take yet another one of us 
  away from
  our lifelong passion of childbirth. We would needs lottsa moola to 
  pay for a
  well known personality to front up for us on a weekly basis.

  We could get together and make a TV advert to be shown on prime 
  time when
  most of the younger thinking women take time out to watch the news or
  follow-on shows.   This is how the CPAs did so well in establishing
  themselves in the Australian community. Also remember the series 
  of ads the
  GPs put on a few years ago in response to the alternative 
  practitionerstaking away much of their business? They were very 
  effective.Another possibility to target is the ABC late affternoon 
  shows put on to
  educate kids.
  We definitely need a follow on from NMAP while the public still 
  remember it.

  Perhaps we could fundraise through the College, ASIM and NACE to 
  produce two
  or three smash-hit ads that would create huge interest in 
  seeking out
  one-to-one midwifery care.
  Another alternative is to convince some budding film makers 
  (anyone got one
  amongst their clients?) to put some time and energy into making 
  such an AD
  at reduced rates. It literally costs thousands of $$$ to produce a 
  halfminute ad for TV. 

  Once we own the ad. we could make copies and show them at every 
  childbirtheducation class across the country ... Especially 
  Choices for Childbirth
  evenings that are being run by MC supporters.

  Jan

  On 23/10/02 12:52 PM, Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Maybe we should develop a dossier with all the current facts and 
  research extracts that we all carry when spreading the word A 
  NMAP DOSSIER that means
   we are all spreading the same world with the latest facts.  If 
  we all
   contribute someone like me or others maybe able to compile it 
  and update it.
   It could go to anyone on the Planet it would united and factual 
  the message
   strong and concise.

   In agreeance with a National TV Programme that teaches practical 
  information weekly would be good. Something to replace the 
  Soapies.  I go into many
   homes every week and the families are almost always watching the 
  soapies often they don't turn it off during our 1 to 2 hour 
  consultation.  At times
   I have to ask for the volume to be turned down.

   If only we had a National dynamic programme for FAmilies, 
  students, on
   pregnancy, birth breastfeeding and lot's more!!  How many 
  people might
   we reach?

   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On

[ozmidwifery] wild spaces: Australia's only environmental social justice film festival




Dear Sir?Madam,

It was just the other day I saw your advert re 
"Wild Spaces,Australia's only environmental 
 social justice film festival."

I called Sal Lintott, to meet tonight 8 p.m. 
28/10/02, in Brunswick East, Melbourne, hoping for alate entry tothe 
program.I left after 50 minutes, disappointed and 
heartbroken.

The 6 minute video on humanized birth is a visual 
delight; thought provoking, powerful and emotive. 

The push forhumanization of birth is not 
limited to Australia; every country in the world is fighting for this basic 
human right. The right for women to birth as they wish; and the 
right of the unborn to a gentle, non-violent birth. 

Industrialized childbirth, like industrialized 
farming, leads toa lack of respect for nature and the 
environment.

Given the importance of this contemporary issue, I 
request your consideration of this video for inclusion in your program, given 
that it is of significant social justice and environmental concern.

sincerely,
Elizabeth McAlpine

[ozmidwifery] Birth ads

2002-10-28 Thread Pinky McKay




Hi Liz,

I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done 
weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a 
two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the 
association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is 
very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on 
contacts.

I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt 
cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an 
interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per 
state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney 
is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 
per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but 
we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be 
involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth 
nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply 
sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to 
talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 
3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!!

Then if this comes off - any money raised / 
sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the 
cherry!

Do you want me to go ahead and contact the 
producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and 
Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 
'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice 
interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy 
-hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably 
epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a 
lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits 
of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in 
sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it 
on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or 
be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of 
anything said during a pre-recorded interview).

It also helps to have a website to refer women to 
for further info.

Pinky

Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

2002-10-28 Thread Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood

I think you're thinking of the wonderful work Vicki and Nic have done with
the song from a distance by Bette Midler.  We were lucky enough to have a
couple of our birth photos included in that piece, and yep, gets me going
just thinking about it.

Tania
x
- Original Message -
From: Karen Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

I can't remember what song it was exactly - Bette Midler, I think.  I saw it
at the Down to Earth Homebirth conference in Katoomba in March this year.
Same effect - everyone balling withing the first 2 minutes

Karen

-Original Message-
From: Julie Clarke [mailto:Pregnancy;bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 4:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

Karen were you referring to the video presented at the NACE Conference
at Qld a couple of years ago ?
With the Roberta Flack song The first time ever I saw your face as
background music ?
That's the first video of Nic's that I have seen and I don't think there
was a dry eye in the room - educators were reaching for tissues
everywhere.

Julie Clarke
Childbirth and Parenting Educator
Transition into Parenthood
9 Withybrook Pl
Sylvania  NSW  2224
T. (02) 9544 6441
F (02) 9544 9257
M. 0401 265 530
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Karen Arthur
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 7:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

Hi everyone,

Nic's videos have my vote as well.  When I first saw the images of the
first one she did, I thought that we needed the general public to see
these, and then they'd understand what we're trying to say.  A picture
tells a thousand words.

Have a great day

Karen

-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Semple [mailto:jennifer.semple1;students.vu.edu.au]
Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

I think those CPA ads are really effective too.   if you have a really
good ad that people actually like to see, I think one ad is just as
effective as 3 different ones.

An ad for midwifery is a GREAT idea... ofcourse I have NO IDEA how much
ad space/time costs... but EVERYONE loves to look at babies.

Nic Edmonstone's videos are so powerful... radiating beauty, emotion, 
love... she would be able to get to the heart of it in 10 seconds or
however much time an ads is.

Anyway, just my two cents.  Cheers, Jen

- Original Message -
From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:35 am
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

 Hi list

 I couldn't agree with Robyn and Julie more about TV coverage but
 participation in a regular show would take yet another one of us
 away from
 our lifelong passion of childbirth. We would needs lottsa moola to
 pay for a
 well known personality to front up for us on a weekly basis.

 We could get together and make a TV advert to be shown on prime
 time when
 most of the younger thinking women take time out to watch the news or
 follow-on shows.   This is how the CPAs did so well in establishing
 themselves in the Australian community. Also remember the series
 of ads the
 GPs put on a few years ago in response to the alternative
 practitionerstaking away much of their business? They were very
 effective.Another possibility to target is the ABC late affternoon
 shows put on to
 educate kids.
 We definitely need a follow on from NMAP while the public still
 remember it.

 Perhaps we could fundraise through the College, ASIM and NACE to
 produce two
 or three smash-hit ads that would create huge interest in
 seeking out
 one-to-one midwifery care.
 Another alternative is to convince some budding film makers
 (anyone got one
 amongst their clients?) to put some time and energy into making
 such an AD
 at reduced rates. It literally costs thousands of $$$ to produce a
 halfminute ad for TV.

 Once we own the ad. we could make copies and show them at every
 childbirtheducation class across the country ... Especially
 Choices for Childbirth
 evenings that are being run by MC supporters.

 Jan

 On 23/10/02 12:52 PM, Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Maybe we should develop a dossier with all the current facts and
 research extracts that we all carry when spreading the word A
 NMAP DOSSIER that means
  we are all spreading the same world with the latest facts.  If
 we all
  contribute someone like me or others maybe able to compile it
 and update it.
  It could go to anyone on the Planet it would united and factual
 the message
  strong and concise.

  In agreeance with a National TV Programme that teaches practical
 information weekly would be good. Something to replace the
 Soapies.  I go into many
  homes every week and the families are almost always

Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

Title: Love of midwifery



What does gonging mean?? I'm 
Scottish.
lvoe Liz Mc

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 
  Westbury 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:28 
  PM
  Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  
  
  Was that 
  gonging???
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of elizabeth 
  mcalpineSent: Monday, 28 
  October 2002 6:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  
  
  I understand 
  completely. I came home crying tonight because some film festival 
  organizer wouldn't come to see Nic  Vicki's video about humanized birth, 
  which should be diseminated around Australia. (working on 
  that!) And work?? Working on that. 
  
  
  
  
  Yep.Beating one's head 
  against a brick wall is tough.
  
  But when the going gets 
  tough.the tough get going.
  
  
  
  Keep your spirits up. 
  Humanized birth is a human right!!!
  
  Liz 
  Mc
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  

From: Smith, Anne 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: Monday, 
October 28, 2002 8:34 PM

Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery


Dear 
list, 
I am a midwife who is very 
passionate and very for woman centred care. I love being a midwife and 
can not imagine not being a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with 
the system that it is breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 
years and feel that the system (especially where l work in a large country 
city) which is medical based has not changed. It has actually become 
worse. Despite being a strong advocate for evidence based practice and 
presenting this evidence to doctors and management, l have been walked all 
over, some midwives have been yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS 
and we have basically have our hands tied. The amount of autonomy we 
have is decreasing, which makes me feel sometimes that all the hospital 
wants are obstetric nurses. They do not want midwives because they 
cause too much trouble. Who cares about the women? Management 
want to make the doctors happy and stuff the midwives. 

One example, i am really against 
the use of CTG's in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad 
outcome, management wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who 
present in labour. I produced for them so much evidence based material 
which actually states that this is not a good idea, but they introduced it 
anyway. I dont know why l try because nothing worse. I dont know 
what to do and all my collegues feel like this as well. We need 
different models of care, we need to take over the care of women in normal 
pregnancy and birth. I fully endorse NMAP but will it have an effect 
in my workplace. Will it really change the obnoxious doctors we work 
with and management who only care about beds and money? Midwives have 
tried to get a midwives clinic in this town for 11 years, but has been 
blocked by the doctors (one in particular). We have no free antenatal 
care except for one midwife who works with aboriginal women (who we also 
refer white women to). If women only knew what was going on and they 
care they get from their doctors is less than 
substandard.
I hate feeling like this. 
Women are being ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there 
is only so much l can do. I do the best l can for these women but l 
feel that it is no where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow 
pit in my stomach thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, 
and l know that what ever happens, l need to go 
on...
sorry, but l really needed to 
get this off my chest. 
MIdwife trying to make a 
difference 
Fiona Dunmore 

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[ozmidwifery] from Leilah McCracken/BirthLove

2002-10-28 Thread Jayne

Leilah writes
amazing stuff from the heart about birth - this seemed appropriate to share
here. Especially from about almost half way down where it starts "Women suffer, babies suffer too, pain of all kinds- "for
their own good".

The Moon's Soft
Happiness amidst the Troubles of the WorldI know I should try writing
while the moon is full and it's 1am (precisely).The sky is light with quick
moving clouds, the trees are black with silent,brooding intent... gorgeous
night, lusty and cool, deepening Autumn andseeming to hold its breath,
waiting for some omen or other to make it turnits head- to light, or to
further shadow.This is the night, this is where I sit. The house is
silent, save for thequiet murmurs of my husband and two of our older
children (and of course theaccursed din of these computers). I'm aware of
shimmering light cast off byscreens in here- and of the night, the night
does shimmer to those sentient,and my window is open and some soft moonlight
filters in... faces, moods,emotion- all sorts of things flash past in my
mind softly, nuances of wordedpossibility that can come down to my screen.
What words shall I let flow...what thought should be unleashed... what, why-
to whom shall I focus? Everdistracted, ever preoccupied- ever looking away,
within- up at the sky as itglows white with thickening cloud. Thus is my
night... shrouded with seemingintent; purposeful, but for distractions from
sole purpose.Focus, dear. We need focus- what has been idling in my
mind, waiting for atime that is ripe to come out? (Is the time ripe now? Or
will my little babywake up and cry because she is teething?) I know what has
been in my mind,but I don't know if the words will come to release the
thought. I will try.My life is a study of the day. And if in the day I
am satisfied, then thereis nothing more that I could ask for. If I have
loved my children- did somesite work- did some housework- laughed with my
husband- ate nutritiously,and fed my family well too- if I did all these
things, I am content. I havedone these things, yes, today I have. And while
today was a difficult day inmany ways (seven out of eight kids, aged
thirteen and under, being"challenging"), I am still satisfied- content- for
my day was served well.Yes: I am content, even though in my province dozens
of women hadunnecessary cesareans, and even more babies were blasted out by
inductiondrugs. I am content... I have learned to be content, and this
revelationcame to me only recently.I wrote two weeks ago about my
son almost dying from choking. (Note toparents everywhere: when a child is
choking, it may not look like he ischoking. My son was in no way indicating
he couldn't breathe- he just seemedto be having a seizure, then he lost
consciousness and turned ashen.) Afterhe recovered and I brought him home,
it occurred to me that my family is thesingle most important thing in my
life; that no matter what goes on outsidemy little realm, I can only be
truly satisfied and productive in my life ifmy family- my absolute core- is
intact and safe. I realized that everythingI do for birth and for women is
rooted, at its very core, in my sense ofwell-being that comes from being a
mother; and that if the core is shaken,then all else will shake as
well.This has proven to be a greatly important realization to make (that
myfamily is my absolute core, and that a satisfied core is a
satisfied,thriving me): for now, I feel far less helpless anxiety about the
graveperil that birth is in worldwide. I know in my every cell how
remorsefulbirth's situation is... if I bend my mind to pain, I can feel it;
as canevery woman who wakes up to the sadness and pain that is all around
her.Women suffer, babies suffer too, pain of all kinds- "for their own
good". Noone's good, not really... hardly ever, and that is just so sad;
especiallywhen women think there is no other way; and they are too afraid
anddefensive to learn another way (the ancient way). This is a deadly
sadperil... death it is to spirit and soul to be forever restrained by
drugsand monitor straps; to be kept captive... naked, and terribly observed-
evenraped and mutilated, but patted on the inner thigh and told in
leering,sardonic tones that "at least you have a healthy baby" and to just
go tobed. (Take these, dear, to help you sleep. We'll watch the baby for
you.)Mothers are left to nurse their wounds alone, and when confronted
with thebig mouths and hot tempers of natural childbirth advocates, women
blanch;fall silent, then attack- lash out in rage and pain, assailed at the
verysenses of the idea of needless suffering, or of questioning what
theirdoctors say. (Why, whole universes would collapse as massive paradigm
shiftsare made.)Yes there is pain. Terrific, untouchable pain- and
at one time, I would sitand lash out at the keyboard, recording my pain and
rage at all the pain inthe world of birth... I would write soulful, deep
battle cries,

Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

2002-10-28 Thread Lois Wattis

Title: Love of midwifery



Hello Anne
- I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!
I know how isolated and lonely it can be speaking up 
for women's rights in anobstetric-dominated hospital 
system.
I know how it makes your heart ache to watch women's 
birth efforts being sabbotaged by clock-watching "experts".
I know how helpless you feel, how 
outnumbered.

I endorse Sally's sentiments of support for all 
hospital based midwives who arebrave enough to 
speak out against unnecesary interventions, and violation of birthing women's 
rights. It takes guts. And it can really back-fire on you, which is 
tough to take. 

Robyn's suggestion of setting up a midwifery group 
private practise is worth considering. It doesn't have to be a big, 
full-time business to be effective. You could beginwith childbirth 
education classes which inform, and empower the women. Or an antenatal 
clinic, say one morning a week, free to women, with volunteer midwives -- just 
to give MIDWIFERY advice. You don't need to be an independent practitioner 
or homebirth midwife to run educational classes. Start small, but it WILL 
make a difference. And you willalso beempowered, strengthened 
and encouraged by the women who you help.

A quote comes to mind. It's not directed at you, 
but those around you who fail to see the need for change.

  "Progress is 
impossible without change; and those
  who 
cannot change their minds cannot change anything".
  


  George Bernard Shaw

Keep the faith and love of midwifery.
Kind regards,
Lois


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Smith, Anne 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:34 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  
  Dear list, 
  I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for 
  woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being 
  a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is 
  breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the 
  system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical 
  based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being 
  a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to 
  doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been 
  yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our 
  hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me 
  feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do 
  not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about 
  the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the 
  midwives. 
  One example, i am really against the use of CTG's 
  in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management 
  wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I 
  produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that 
  this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why 
  l try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues 
  feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to 
  take over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully 
  endorse NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really 
  change the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about 
  beds and money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this 
  town for 11 years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in 
  particular). We have no free antenatal care except for one midwife who 
  works with aboriginal women (who we also refer white women to). If women 
  only knew what was going on and they care they get from their doctors is less 
  than substandard.
  I hate feeling like this. Women are being 
  ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l 
  can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no 
  where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach 
  thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what 
  ever happens, l need to go on...
  sorry, but l really needed to get this off my 
  chest. 
  MIdwife trying to make a difference 
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[ozmidwifery] Re: ?Humanised Birth?video?




Dear Elizabeth
Who is Sal Lintott
and what is this 
6 minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no 
words ??Denise Hynd


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:47 
  PM
  
  Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers,
  
  The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in 
  Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which 
  they have none.It is also an increasing global issue - 
  particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the WorldHealth 
  Organizationin 1985 as being of paramount importance. 
  Reference can be given if necessary.
  
  Industrialized childbirth harms future 
  generations, and leads to lack of respect for nature and the 
  environment. It is so important.
  
  Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, 
  disappointed and heartbroken. 
  
  Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 
  minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about 
  except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. 
  ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged 
  that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested 
  parties. 
  
  sincerely,
  
  Elizabeth McAlpine

[ozmidwifery] Re: ?Humanised Birth?video?




Dear Elizabeth
Who is Sal Lintott
and what is this 
6 minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no 
words ??Denise Hynd


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:47 
  PM
  
  Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers,
  
  The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in 
  Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which 
  they have none.It is also an increasing global issue - 
  particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the WorldHealth 
  Organizationin 1985 as being of paramount importance. 
  Reference can be given if necessary.
  
  Industrialized childbirth harms future 
  generations, and leads to lack of respect for nature and the 
  environment. It is so important.
  
  Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, 
  disappointed and heartbroken. 
  
  Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 
  minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about 
  except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. 
  ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged 
  that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested 
  parties. 
  
  sincerely,
  
  Elizabeth McAlpine

[ozmidwifery] Re: ?Humanised Birth?video?




Dear Elizabeth
Who is Sal Lintott
and what is this 
6 minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no 
words ??Denise Hynd


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:47 
  PM
  
  Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers,
  
  The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in 
  Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which 
  they have none.It is also an increasing global issue - 
  particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the WorldHealth 
  Organizationin 1985 as being of paramount importance. 
  Reference can be given if necessary.
  
  Industrialized childbirth harms future 
  generations, and leads to lack of respect for nature and the 
  environment. It is so important.
  
  Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, 
  disappointed and heartbroken. 
  
  Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 
  minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about 
  except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. 
  ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged 
  that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested 
  parties. 
  
  sincerely,
  
  Elizabeth McAlpine

[ozmidwifery] Re:

2002-10-28 Thread Kathleen Fahy




Dear Elizabeth,

I can certainly understand your disappointment but you are not alone and we 
will not give up or give in.

I am interested in Humanized birth. Is it a video sequence? How 
do I get a copy?

Kathleen Fahy

--Kathleen 
FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
Drive,Callaghan, 2308

Ph 02 49215966

Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/02 
09:47pm 
Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers,

The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in 
Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which 
they have none.It is also an increasing global issue - 
particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the WorldHealth 
Organizationin 1985 as being of paramount importance. 
Reference can be given if necessary.

Industrialized childbirth harms future generations, 
and leads to lack of respect for nature and the environment. It is 
so important.

Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, 
disappointed and heartbroken. 

Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 
minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about 
except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. 
ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged 
that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested 
parties. 

sincerely,

Elizabeth McAlpine

RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

2002-10-28 Thread Janet Glaser

Title: Love of midwifery









Fiona

I think it is very important that you
express your feeling about these situations, a problem shared is a problem halved.
Between the lines one can see that you are a very caring midwife. Many
midwives work in environments which are far less women friendly! I work
in a private hospital which probably has the highest medical intervention rates
in Australia (oh please dont quote me on that though!). There are
far too many women who choose to have a private obstetrician, yes we may think
that they are ill informed but they made that choice, and despite this, I feel
that they are entitled to have good midwifery care, so each day I work with
them I may feel grossly incensed at the medical intervention, but I take pride
in the fact that they are surrounded by a team of experienced midwives who do
care about them. And if in turn the midwife is assists in making a difference
to their birthing experience, then we truly should feel rewarded. You
never know, that in some cases they may be influenced to make different choices
for their next pregnancy.



Janet

-Original
Message-
From: Smith, Anne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday,
 28 October 2002 8:35
 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of
midwifery



Dear list, 

I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for
woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being
a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is
breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the
system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical based
has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being a
strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to
doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been
yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our
hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me
feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do
not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about
the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the
midwives. 

One example, i am really against the use of CTG's in
normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management wants
to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I
produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that
this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why l
try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues
feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to take
over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully endorse
NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really change
the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about beds and
money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this town for 11
years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in particular). We have
no free antenatal care except for one midwife who works with aboriginal women
(who we also refer white women to). If women only knew what was going on
and they care they get from their doctors is less than substandard.

I hate feeling like this. Women are being
ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l
can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no
where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach thinking
of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what ever
happens, l need to go on...

sorry, but l really needed to get this off my chest.


MIdwife trying to make a difference 

Fiona Dunmore 



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

Title: Love of midwifery



Dear Fiona
So many of us feel like this and it is not enough 
to just get it off our chests! We must never accept it we must work to 
change it and the only way is to get political!
Trouble is in doing otherwise we support it, 
contribute to it and the effects roll out as the mothers are disempowered to 
mother etc...Make Appointments and act!1) Go tell your local members of 
parliament 
2) If you are in NSW or Victoria go and tell every 
candidate and ask each one act to introduce Community Based midwifery 
Programs
3) Arrange to talk to mothers group about NMAP and 
what is possible and ask them to go ask their politicians for Community Based 
midwifery Programs

Only by a ripple effect engendered with your 
concern (imagine it multiplied by all on the list , their friends etc) will we 
change this situation!

Play on the parochialness of Ozzies tell them of 
how much better it is in NZ.!!

How about all of us dissatisfied Ozzie midwives 
applying for NZ passports,??Would that make Senator Knowless and John W Pay 
attention to us and not the AMA??Denise



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Smith, Anne 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:34 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of 
  midwifery
  
  Dear list, 
  I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for 
  woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being 
  a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is 
  breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the 
  system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical 
  based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being 
  a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to 
  doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been 
  yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our 
  hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me 
  feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do 
  not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about 
  the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the 
  midwives. 
  One example, i am really against the use of CTG's 
  in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management 
  wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I 
  produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that 
  this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why 
  l try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues 
  feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to 
  take over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully 
  endorse NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really 
  change the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about 
  beds and money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this 
  town for 11 years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in 
  particular). We have no free antenatal care except for one midwife who 
  works with aboriginal women (who we also refer white women to). If women 
  only knew what was going on and they care they get from their doctors is less 
  than substandard.
  I hate feeling like this. Women are being 
  ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l 
  can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no 
  where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach 
  thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what 
  ever happens, l need to go on...
  sorry, but l really needed to get this off my 
  chest. 
  MIdwife trying to make a difference 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads




Dear Pinky
All your ideas sound wonderful and 
appropriate it is important to show NMAP as it is about women's choicefor 
continuity of evidence based care, not homebirth and use of the word sadly makes 
so many people irrational
So go to it Vicki and Nic !Denise 
Hynd

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
  
  Hi Liz,
  
  I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have 
  done weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne 
  -with a two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar 
  with the association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - 
  my time is very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on 
  contacts.
  
  I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt 
  cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an 
  interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per 
  state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - 
  Sydney is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but 
  around $200 per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non 
  commercial issue but we need something to pin it on - they arent a current 
  affair show so wont be involved in politics and probably like to think they 
  are not having rabid "birth nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic 
  and Vicki on if GMA was simply sent a copy of their video with a good press 
  release and followup. I am happy to talk to the producer if they are happy to 
  be interviewed!!! They will get about 3 minutes if it comes off - better than 
  30 seconds!!
  
  Then if this comes off - any money raised / 
  sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the 
  cherry!
  
  Do you want me to go ahead and contact the 
  producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and 
  Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a 
  fairly 'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice 
  interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy 
  -hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably 
  epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be 
  a lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the 
  benefits of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all 
  that in sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way 
  to get it on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a 
  majority or be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the 
  context of anything said during a pre-recorded interview).
  
  It also helps to have a website to refer women to 
  for further info.
  
  Pinky

[ozmidwifery] Foxtel Midwives

2002-10-28 Thread Julie Clarke









Hello fellow listers

My husband Geoff was flicking
through the Foxtel program and read out to me the
following:

Monday Nov 18 at 8.30pm on Showtime channel 3

And

Tuesday Nov 19 at 1.25pm on Showtime channel 3

And

Thursday Nov 28 at 9.10 am on Showtime channel 3

Foxtel will be showing Midwives a movie
with Sissy Spacek

A well respected midwife
charged with murder when on of her patients tragically dies. She turns for help to an upscale
lawyer who is humbled by the experience in this emotionally charged adaptation
of the bestseller by Chris Bohjalian.

Thought you might like to hear
of this coming up on tv.

Warm regards to all,



Julie Clarke

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania NSW 2224

T. (02) 9544 6441

F (02) 9544 9257

M. 0401 265 530

email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ozmidwifery] The Lifestyle Channel Documentary

2002-10-28 Thread Julie Clarke

Title: Re: [MCNSW] Fw: The Lifestyle Channel Documentary











 
  
  Is anyone able to help with this enquiry?
  
  Thanks
  
  Virginia
  - Original Message -
  From: Emma Moss (SYD) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday,
   October 28, 2002 10:07
   AM
  Subject: The Lifestyle Channel Documentary
  
  
  I am a researcher with The Lifestyle Channel currently working on a
  programme about having babies. More specifically we
  are interested in
  looking at the different choices affecting when women in Australia today are
  choosing to start a family.
  
  To this end we would be interested in finding some pregnant women to
  participate in our documentary - in particular we are hoping to find:
  
  * A pregnant woman in her early 20's, who has made the decision to have
  children first and establish a career later in her life
  * A pregnant woman in her late 30's/early 40's, who has already established
  her career earlier on in life and is looking to now start a family for the
  first time
  
  We would like to follow these two women through their pregnancy, or at least
  for a couple of months so we need to find them fairly quickly.
  
  I realise this is a fairly big ask but we are hoping that some women may be
  interested in sharing their thoughts and influences with an Australian
  audience. We thought that perhaps your organisation may be able to help us
  out, or if not, recommend some ways you think we might be able to find some
  people.
  
  I can be contacted on this email or my contact numbers are listed below -
  obviously I am happy to answer any questions.
  
  I look forward to hearing from you.
  
  Kind Regards
  
  Emma Moss
  Researcher
  The Lifestyle Channel
  9200 1214
  0413 181 917
  
  
  
  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
  ADVERTISEMENT
  
  Maternity Coalition NSW
  www.maternitycoalition.org.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] from Leilah McCracken/BirthLove

Dear Jayne
Leilah piecemade me cry as I have with many
women and felt the need to for so many others.
Why are the sufferings of these women and babies
accepted?

Is this pain what this generation needs to wake up
to?It reminds me of when I was at school ( a top girls school) crying
because my father had beaten my mother the night before and I was sent to the
head mistressas could not stop crying and get on with my work!She told
me not to bring this to school and to go into the play ground and compose
myself!Another girl came at recess and told me she often felt as I did that
morning.
Still we went back to school and our families and
more of the samefor a while longer.
My mother did leave my father but did not know
about refuges...

Now we have campaigns to make men and our community
take responsibility for domestic violence.
So a campaign to take some of the pain out of
childbirth is more than a possibility it is happening that is NMAP
!

Denise Hynd

- Original Message -
From:
Jayne

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:45
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] from Leilah
McCracken/BirthLove

The Moon's
Soft Happiness amidst the Troubles of the WorldI know I should try
writing while the moon is full and it's 1am (precisely).The sky is light
with quick moving clouds, the trees are black with silent,brooding
intent... gorgeous night, lusty and cool, deepening Autumn andseeming to
hold its breath, waiting for some omen or other to make it turnits head-
to light, or to further shadow.This is the night, this is where I sit.
The house is silent, save for thequiet murmurs of my husband and two of
our older children (and of course theaccursed din of these computers). I'm
aware of shimmering light cast off byscreens in here- and of the night,
the night does shimmer to those sentient,and my window is open and some
soft moonlight filters in... faces, moods,emotion- all sorts of things
flash past in my mind softly, nuances of wordedpossibility that can come
down to my screen. What words shall I let flow...what thought should be
unleashed... what, why- to whom shall I focus? Everdistracted, ever
preoccupied- ever looking away, within- up at the sky as itglows white
with thickening cloud. Thus is my night... shrouded with seemingintent;
purposeful, but for distractions from sole purpose.Focus, dear. We
need focus- what has been idling in my mind, waiting for atime that is
ripe to come out? (Is the time ripe now? Or will my little babywake up and
cry because she is teething?) I know what has been in my mind,but I don't
know if the words will come to release the thought. I will try.My life
is a study of the day. And if in the day I am satisfied, then thereis
nothing more that I could ask for. If I have loved my children- did
somesite work- did some housework- laughed with my husband- ate
nutritiously,and fed my family well too- if I did all these things, I am
content. I havedone these things, yes, today I have. And while today was a
difficult day inmany ways (seven out of eight kids, aged thirteen and
under, being"challenging"), I am still satisfied- content- for my day was
served well.Yes: I am content, even though in my province dozens of women
hadunnecessary cesareans, and even more babies were blasted out by
inductiondrugs. I am content... I have learned to be content, and this
revelationcame to me only recently.I wrote two weeks ago about my
son almost dying from choking. (Note toparents everywhere: when a child is
choking, it may not look like he ischoking. My son was in no way
indicating he couldn't breathe- he just seemedto be having a seizure, then
he lost consciousness and turned ashen.) Afterhe recovered and I brought
him home, it occurred to me that my family is thesingle most important
thing in my life; that no matter what goes on outsidemy little realm, I
can only be truly satisfied and productive in my life ifmy family- my
absolute core- is intact and safe. I realized that everythingI do for
birth and for women is rooted, at its very core, in my sense ofwell-being
that comes from being a mother; and that if the core is shaken,then all
else will shake as well.This has proven to be a greatly important
realization to make (that myfamily is my absolute core, and that a
satisfied core is a satisfied,thriving me): for now, I feel far less
helpless anxiety about the graveperil that birth is in worldwide. I know
in my every cell how remorsefulbirth's situation is... if I bend my mind
to pain, I can feel it; as canevery woman who wakes up to the sadness and
pain that

Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community




Hi, Liz,

Leslie, my little angel, butter wouldn't melt in 
his mouth, sizzle sizzle. 

Now, who he really is! According to his media 
studies teacher for his last two years of high school, if anyone was born to be 
a film director, it's Leslie. In his 30+ years of teaching media  art, L 
was his best student. OK, I've had my brag.

Leslie and Harry Aronsten studied together, made 
17 short films whilst doing year 12. Entered some in competitions, came awfully 
close to winning (didn't compromise their ideas, didn't suck up enough?) and 
were asked to apply for positions with Perspicacious Productions. They've been 
working there ever since. 

Started with editing Year 12 videos, then filming 
as well. They've recently done Live Editing of a two week music festival. 
Leslie's also been doing the administration...going to schools, pitching to the 
students and teachers, taking orders etc. as well as all the tax, pay etc. 
They've moved on to corporate videos, CD-ROMs. Leslie's on the lookout for his 
own whiz bang computer so he can work independently as well, though they've just 
done one on Harry's computer. He and Harry both have kept sight of their goals 
and can hardly wait to get their teeth sunk into their own film making. Of the 
two, Leslie is the one with the spark and flare; Harry is the perfectionist. 
They're both utterly dedicated, both have brilliant ideas, both really know 
their stuff, are almost 19, wonderful to work with. 

Naturally I want Leslie to succeed; nonetheless, I 
havea deep respect Harry's abilities and dedication too. Leslie has more 
drive I think, but Harry is one of those quiet, unassuming lads (rare?) who goes 
about his business quietly doing wonderful things. Leslie is a wonderful 
communicator with everybody. Can talk to anyone, any age, about anything. 
(Rosie's like that too.)

Leslie's been drumming since he could flail his 
arms in utero. At a jazz concert in Amsterdam at the age of 13 months, he 
stopped the show banging on the metal seats along with the drum solo. The 
drummer, Han Bennink, stopped playing except for a light background beat. Leslie 
kept going -- in perfect time as though the music was still there. It was, in 
Leslie. Brought the house down! Han later told me to get him drums as soon as 
possible. Well, we stuck to saucepans and chop sticks till he was eight or nine, 
then he joined the local brass band as second drummer, using a hired crappy old 
kit, having a weekly lesson. Then he became first drummer in a few weeks. It 
wasn't long before we moved the kit from the shed to the bedroom, as I loved 
hearing his music! Triple J have asked the band, No See Dolly, for a 
CD.

Two years ago, we (Leslie, Rosie [voice] and I 
[vocal dance]) did a gig in Adelaide with one of the jazz musicians I used to 
work with in Holland, Michiel Dhont; one of the top jazz double bass players for 
many years. Michiel and his wife, Mea, were only in Adelaide for three days. We 
had no rehearsal, the children had not heard Michiel's music, and Michiel and I 
had not seen each other for fifteen years, since Leslie was a toddler and we 
came back to Australia. We performed two 45 minute sets, totally improvised. 
Afterwards, Michiel said Leslie, at 16, had the ability and professionalism to 
fit in with any of the top bands in the world. 

I know this sounds like the ravings of a very 
proud Mama. It is. I am justifiably proud, and also my children's greatest 
critic! When something's not up to scratch, I'm the first to say so. Poor 
buggers! I think it's done them both the world of good having a mother who has 
travelled widely and been spoiled rotten by exposure to the best of what the 
world had to offer. My dance teacher, Maestro Alberto Vila, taught me 
perfectionism and an incredible lack of tolerance of mediocrity, which my 
parents also instilled. I do not praise lightly! 

Humble apologies to you for this rambling...oh 
dear, look at the time!!! KKK

Love,

Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: elizabeth 
mcalpine 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community

Tell me about Leslie.
Liz Mc

Re: [ozmidwifery] wild spaces: Australia's only environmental social justice film festival




Brava, Liz!!! I'm all for it, whoever does it, 
wherever it's done, it HAS to be done.
Keep the chin up. Media's a tough, tough 
industry.
Love,
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: elizabeth 
mcalpine 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: ozmidwifery 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] wild spaces: Australia's only environmental 
 social justice film festival

Dear Sir?Madam,

It was just the other day I saw your advert re 
"Wild Spaces,Australia's only environmental 
 social justice film festival."

Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

I second that!
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Sally 
Westbury 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery

Hi 
Fiona

It is really 
difficult.

I worked for a short 
while back in the hospital system and must admit that I was really happy that I 
would not have to deal with, on a daily basis, the conflict and lack of 
continuity that midwives in the hospitals have to put up with. I think that if I 
had to do what hospital based midwives do on a daily basis I would not be a 
midwife for long and so I would like to say 

MIDWIVES 
WHO WORK WITHIN THE HOSPITAL AND ADVOCATE AND STAND WITH WOMEN FOR THEIR BASIC 
RIGHTS ARE FANTASTIC!!! IT IS NOT EASY!! IT IS 
EXHAUSTING!!

Now what have all you 
midwives done for yourself today to keep yourself 
sane?

If nothing else, today 
Fiona, you have my admiration and I ask those goodly forces in the universe to 
provide for you strength, courage and endurance and surround you with peace and 
joy.

Change must be 
initiated from all aspect and people who work within the system for change are 
vital, stay strong good women.

I know that I am saying 
things that we all know but I just want to affirm you. You know these things in 
your heart. Stay true.

In peace and 
joy

Sally 
Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads




Great advice, Pinky. One thing to watch out for is 
indeed, as you've said, is the post-interview editing. Leslie's been telling me 
about how to make anyone appear to have said anything! Be brief, and totally 
positive. If at all possible, only use words that mention the type of births you 
promote. If you use the words intervention, epidural, etc., you may find they 
make you appear to advocate them. It may seem off-putting...no, use it to your 
advantage. Did I get it right, Pinky?
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Pinky 
McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads

Hi Liz,

I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done 
weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a 
two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the 
association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is 
very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on 
contacts.

I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt 
cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an 
interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per 
state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney 
is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 
per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but 
we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be 
involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth 
nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply 
sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to 
talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 
3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!!

Then if this comes off - any money raised / 
sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the 
cherry!

Do you want me to go ahead and contact the 
producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and 
Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 
'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice 
interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy 
-hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably 
epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a 
lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits 
of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in 
sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it 
on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or 
be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of 
anything said during a pre-recorded interview).

It also helps to have a website to refer women to 
for further info.

Pinky

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: ?Humanised Birth?video?