Re: [ozmidwifery] Foxtel Midwives
Does anyone know if it is available on video/DVD? I finished reading the book a few months ago, and would LOVE to see the movie, but I don't have foxtel. Thanks, Jo Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Hey Aviva, Is your Leslie available and can you introduce my very lovely Kasia to him - or even Harry? (You know how I feel about her current boyfriend) JJJ Edwina JJJ (Just joking! or am I?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community Hi, Liz, Leslie, my little angel, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, sizzle sizzle. Now, who he really is! According to his media studies teacher for his last two years of high school, if anyone was born to be a film director, it's Leslie. In his 30+ years of teaching media art, L was his best student. OK, I've had my brag. Leslie and Harry Aronsten studied together, made 17 short films whilst doing year 12. Entered some in competitions, came awfully close to winning (didn't compromise their ideas, didn't suck up enough?) and were asked to apply for positions with Perspicacious Productions. They've been working there ever since. Started with editing Year 12 videos, then filming as well. They've recently done Live Editing of a two week music festival. Leslie's also been doing the administration...going to schools, pitching to the students and teachers, taking orders etc. as well as all the tax, pay etc. They've moved on to corporate videos, CD-ROMs. Leslie's on the lookout for his own whiz bang computer so he can work independently as well, though they've just done one on Harry's computer. He and Harry both have kept sight of their goals and can hardly wait to get their teeth sunk into their own film making. Of the two, Leslie is the one with the spark and flare; Harry is the perfectionist. They're both utterly dedicated, both have brilliant ideas, both really know their stuff, are almost 19, wonderful to work with. Naturally I want Leslie to succeed; nonetheless, I havea deep respect Harry's abilities and dedication too. Leslie has more drive I think, but Harry is one of those quiet, unassuming lads (rare?) who goes about his business quietly doing wonderful things. Leslie is a wonderful communicator with everybody. Can talk to anyone, any age, about anything. (Rosie's like that too.) Leslie's been drumming since he could flail his arms in utero. At a jazz concert in Amsterdam at the age of 13 months, he stopped the show banging on the metal seats along with the drum solo. The drummer, Han Bennink, stopped playing except for a light background beat. Leslie kept going -- in perfect time as though the music was still there. It was, in Leslie. Brought the house down! Han later told me to get him drums as soon as possible. Well, we stuck to saucepans and chop sticks till he was eight or nine, then he joined the local brass band as second drummer, using a hired crappy old kit, having a weekly lesson. Then he became first drummer in a few weeks. It wasn't long before we moved the kit from the shed to the bedroom, as I loved hearing his music! Triple J have asked the band, No See Dolly, for a CD. Two years ago, we (Leslie, Rosie [voice] and I [vocal dance]) did a gig in Adelaide with one of the jazz musicians I used to work with in Holland, Michiel Dhont; one of the top jazz double bass players for many years. Michiel and his wife, Mea, were only in Adelaide for three days. We had no rehearsal, the children had not heard Michiel's music, and Michiel and I had not seen each other for fifteen years, since Leslie was a toddler and we came back to Australia. We performed two 45 minute sets, totally improvised. Afterwards, Michiel said Leslie, at 16, had the ability and professionalism to fit in with any of the top bands in the world. I know this sounds like the ravings of a very proud Mama. It is. I am justifiably proud, and also my children's greatest critic! When something's not up to scratch, I'm the first to say so. Poor buggers! I think it's done them both the world of good having a mother who has travelled widely and been spoiled rotten by exposure to the best of what the world had to offer. My dance teacher, Maestro Alberto Vila, taught me perfectionism and an incredible lack of tolerance of mediocrity, which my parents also instilled. I do not praise lightly! Humble apologies to you for this rambling...oh dear, look at the time!!! KKK Love, Aviva
[ozmidwifery] Just some thoughts off the top
I got a good laugh out of these so just had to pass them on. Regards Rhonda. Just some thoughts off the top 1. Give a person a fish and you feed them for day; teach that person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks.2. Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.3. I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and I think, "Well, that's not going to happen." 4. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. 5. The other night I ate at a real family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. 6. Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder these days no one talks about seeing UFOs like they used to. 7. According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about a woman is their eyes, and women say the first thing they notice about men is they're a bunch of liars. 8. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. 9. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism. 10. Have you noticed that a slight tax increase costs you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? 11. In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. 12. Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.13. How is it one careless match can start forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire? 14. You read about all these terrorists--most of them came here legally, but they hung around on these expired visas, some for as long as 10-15 years. Now, compare that to Blockbuster: you're two days late with a video and those people are all over you. Let's put Blockbuster in charge of immigration. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] original music for ads
correct Jen Nic Vicki have done several videos. I think the one that Liz (specifically) has been talking about is called In Union the song that accompanies it, also called In Union, is original (written by Vicki her brother?). Please correct me if I'm wrong. Jen - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:40 am Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community If you use other people's music, you have to have the rights to use it. Easier and cheaper to write our own??? It could be recorded as the ad/segment is made. Aviva -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] original music for ads
excellent! Their videos are fabulous. I'd forgotten (forgive me) that the song's original. aviva - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] original music for ads Nic Vicki have done several videos. I think the one that Liz (specifically) has been talking about is called "In Union" the song that accompanies it, also called "In Union", is original (written by Vicki her brother?).
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Oh, brilliant, Pinky! Your risk management strategies sound like mine! aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Absolutely Aviva -I was interviwed by ACA a few years ago about teenagers - they ended up taking the tack that teenagers today were 'out of control" and although I had said things like -It is important to keep the communication lines open so you can implement risk management strategies - and wow my kids havent actually got up to half of what I did -I was living with a heroin addict at 17! I came across as the most pious,right wing mama you could find - my "born again' christian neighbours were most impressed at how sensible I sounded - the local butcher was in hysterics!! His son and mine were mates so he knew first hand that my risk management strategies included free condoms and frequent discussions about respecting women/ safe sex etc etc. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] from Leilah McCracken/BirthLove
The word 'awesome' has been overused, abused. THIS writing, THIS perception, is, truly, awesome. aviva - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] from Leilah McCracken/BirthLove Dear Jayne Leilah piecemade me cry as I have with many women and felt the need to for so many others. Why are the sufferings of these women and babies accepted? Is this pain what this generation needs to wake up to?It reminds me of when I was at school ( a top girls school) crying because my father had beaten my mother the night before and I was sent to the head mistressas could not stop crying and get on with my work!She told me not to bring this to school and to go into the play ground and compose myself!Another girl came at recess and told me she often felt as I did that morning. Still we went back to school and our families and more of the samefor a while longer. My mother did leave my father but did not know about refuges... Now we have campaigns to make men and our community take responsibility for domestic violence. So a campaign to take some of the pain out of childbirth is more than a possibility it is happening that is NMAP ! Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] from Leilah McCracken/BirthLove Leilah writes amazing stuff from the heart about birth - this seemed appropriate to share here. Especially from about almost half way down where it starts "Women suffer, babies suffer too, pain of all kinds- "for their own good". The Moon's Soft Happiness amidst the Troubles of the WorldI know I should try writing while the moon is full and it's 1am (precisely).The sky is light with quick moving clouds, the trees are black with silent,brooding intent... gorgeous night, lusty and cool, deepening Autumn andseeming to hold its breath, waiting for some omen or other to make it turnits head- to light, or to further shadow.This is the night, this is where I sit. The house is silent, save for thequiet murmurs of my husband and two of our older children (and of course theaccursed din of these computers). I'm aware of shimmering light cast off byscreens in here- and of the night, the night does shimmer to those sentient,and my window is open and some soft moonlight filters in... faces, moods,emotion- all sorts of things flash past in my mind softly, nuances of wordedpossibility that can come down to my screen. What words shall I let flow...what thought should be unleashed... what, why- to whom shall I focus? Everdistracted, ever preoccupied- ever looking away, within- up at the sky as itglows white with thickening cloud. Thus is my night... shrouded with seemingintent; purposeful, but for distractions from sole purpose.Focus, dear. We need focus- what has been idling in my mind, waiting for atime that is ripe to come out? (Is the time ripe now? Or will my little babywake up and cry because she is teething?) I know what has been in my mind,but I don't know if the words will come to release the thought. I will try.My life is a study of the day. And if in the day I am satisfied, then thereis nothing more that I could ask for. If I have loved my children- did somesite work- did some housework- laughed with my husband- ate nutritiously,and fed my family well too- if I did all these things, I am content. I havedone these things, yes, today I have. And while today was a difficult day inmany ways (seven out of eight kids, aged thirteen and under, being"challenging"), I am still satisfied- content- for my day was served well.Yes: I am content, even though in my province dozens of women hadunnecessary cesareans, and even more babies were blasted out by inductiondrugs. I am content... I have learned to be content, and this revelationcame to me only recently.I wrote two weeks ago about my son almost dying from choking. (Note toparents everywhere: when a child is choking, it may not look like he ischoking. My son was in no way indicating he couldn't breathe- he just seemedto be having a seizure, then he lost consciousness and turned ashen.) Afterhe recovered and I brought him home, it occurred to me that my family is thesingle most important thing in my life; that no matter what goes on outsidemy little realm, I can only be truly satisfied and productive in my life ifmy family- my absolute core- is intact and safe. I realized that everythingI do for birth and for women is rooted, at its very core, in my sense ofwell-being that comes from being a mother; and that if the core is shaken,then all else will shake as well.This has proven to be a greatly important realization to make (that myfamily is my absolute core, and that a satisfied core is a
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Title: Message Sure, Pinky...I'm ready for anything it takes!! Love, Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Hi Liz, I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on contacts. I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!! Then if this comes off - any money raised / sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the cherry! Do you want me to go ahead and contact the producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy -hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of anything said during a pre-recorded interview). It also helps to have a website to refer women to for further info. Pinky
[ozmidwifery] back on line
Hello all - Yes another glitch with the modem, and I am back on line after a week and a bit, I have lost all my mails for the past month, plus my address book again. If anyone had sent me any mail,could they please resend it now? (except that I will be in Byron the next few daysa small break) I went to Intuitive Midwifery on the weekend and what a day! Came awayhaving experienced every emotion under the sun! And having met some wonderful women too. Vicki and Nic - my love to you both for the vision, passion, commitmentand skills you have putting it all together. How lucky am I?:-)
RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Title: Message That's the beauty of Ïn Union" it's all ours...we can do what we like with it!! I have written a few songs and awaiting my income to move into a positive direction to finance recording.. "Women's work"sung by Caitlin at the Adelaide and Nambour workshop is mine!! sorry melbourne, damn that laryngitis! Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community If you use other people's music, you have to have the rights to use it. Easier and cheaper to write our own??? It could be recorded as the ad/segment is made. Aviva - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community I think you're thinking of the wonderful work Vicki and Nic have done withthe song "from a distance" by Bette Midler.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery
Title: Message When I went to see my local member [ Carolyn Male, member for Glasshouse, QLD] , she was intelligent, open, and wanted more than anything to hear from her constituents both mothers and midwives if it were indeed true that things were less than ideal in the system...she was somewhat shocked and deeply moved by the stories of the mother I had accompanied to her office to discuss birth issues and particularly NMAP...Carolyn had had her babies in the same hospital (and by fluke, with the same lovely midwife both times!!) and had thought everybody must have been as satisfied as her. If we dont tell them, they dont know!! Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:37 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery Dear Fiona So many of us feel like this and it is not enough to just get it off our chests!We must never accept it we must work to change it and the only way is to get political! Trouble is in doing otherwise we support it, contribute to it and the effects roll out as the mothers are disempowered to mother etc...Make Appointments and act!1) Go tell your local members of parliament 2) If you are in NSW or Victoria go and tell every candidate and ask each one act to introduce Community Based midwifery Programs 3) Arrange to talk to mothers group about NMAP and what is possible and ask them to go ask their politicians for Community Based midwifery Programs Only by a ripple effect engendered with your concern (imagine it multiplied by all on the list , their friends etc) will we change this situation! Play on the parochialness of Ozzies tell them of how much better it is in NZ.!! How about all of us dissatisfied Ozzie midwives applying for NZ passports,??Would that make Senator Knowless and John W Pay attention to us and not the AMA??Denise - Original Message - From: Smith, Anne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery Dear list, I am a midwife who is very passionate and very for woman centred care. I love being a midwife and can not imagine not being a midwife, but l have become so dissolusioned with the system that it is breaking my heart. I have been a midwife for 5 years and feel that the system (especially where l work in a large country city) which is medical based has not changed. It has actually become worse. Despite being a strong advocate for evidence based practice and presenting this evidence to doctors and management, l have been walked all over, some midwives have been yelled at, 'put in their places' by RESIDENTS and we have basically have our hands tied. The amount of autonomy we have is decreasing, which makes me feel sometimes that all the hospital wants are obstetric nurses. They do not want midwives because they cause too much trouble. Who cares about the women? Management want to make the doctors happy and stuff the midwives. One example, i am really against the use of CTG's in normal pregnancy and labour. Because of one bad outcome, management wants to introduce admission CTGs for all women who present in labour. I produced for them so much evidence based material which actually states that this is not a good idea, but they introduced it anyway. I dont know why l try because nothing worse. I dont know what to do and all my collegues feel like this as well. We need different models of care, we need to take over the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth. I fully endorse NMAP but will it have an effect in my workplace. Will it really change the obnoxious doctors we work with and management who only care about beds and money? Midwives have tried to get a midwives clinic in this town for 11 years, but has been blocked by the doctors (one in particular). We have no free antenatal care except for one midwife who works with aboriginal women (who we also refer white women to). If women only knew what was going on and they care they get from their doctors is less than substandard. I hate feeling like this. Women are being ripped off, assulted, and their rights violated, and there is only so much l can do. I do the best l can for these women but l feel that it is no where near enough. It makes me feel like l have a hollow pit in my stomach thinking of coming to work. But l love midwifery, and l know that what ever happens, l need to go on... sorry, but l really needed to get this off my chest. MIdwife trying to make a difference Fiona Dunmore NOTICE: CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONThis e-mail message and any accompanying files may
[ozmidwifery] RE: Milk
The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with Dairy products. We need to run Breastmilk advertisingto be displayedon National and International media in opposition to the Advertisements about how good cow's milk is. Not many women realise that Infant Formula is Cow's Milk they have a very surprised expression when you explain these things. We need to be educating/informing women, there is so much to learn, everyday I learn something new. I see many babies affected by Cow's milk and of course many other products too. One of the vogue products at present is Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules.The babies whose mothers are taking these products start tobreast refuse and when I ask the mother to cut the capsule in half and taste it she can clearly understand why the baby doesn't want her milk. Smelling inside the bottle of tablets and other products and tastingwill give you an idea of what the baby experiences. When they stop taking these products inevitably the baby settles back into happy breastfeeding. So the moral to Soy and Cow's Milk is replace it with BREAST MILK and that means EDUCATION regards. Robyn -Original Message-From: Valerie Richard James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Greetings! The British government's Committee on Toxicity in Food and the Environment (C oT) has assessed the risks to consumers of the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy foods and other products, especially the risks toinfants of hormonal disruption from consumption of soy infant formulas You can see their findings here http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/phytoreportworddocs We draw your attention in particular to the chapters on fertility and reproduction, and on thyroid function. You will find more on these topics at www.soyonlineservice.co.nz . Having this information, who would knowingly feed their child soy... or themselves, for that matter? Yet, incredibly, this Committee has not suggested that consumers be told of this. All it does isconclude that doctors only prescribe soy formulas"when clinically indicated"(whatever that means). It does not even suggest that doctors tell their patients what risks there may be, or that these risks should be matters of "informed consent". How many mothers would submit to exposing their baby, if they knew the full extent of risk to their child's future ? Consultations with the UK Food Standards Agency are invited until December 3, 2002. WeURGE you to express an opinion on whether soy baby foods should be sold at all, or whether they should have health warning labeling (eg this product may make your child infertile and cause thyoid diseases), and whether the general public should be warned of the risks to adults. The "Precautuionary Principle" would indicate, from the material offered by the CoT Committee, that isoflavones should be removed from soy protein Sincerely, Valerie.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk
Robyn, You mentioned Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules may cause breast fefusal, at what age have you noticed this happening. Is it more noticable from mothers taking them during pregnancy or postnatally only ? This was suggested to me during my second pregnancy by my naturopath (which I took during and after pregnancy) and my daughter is still happily breastfeeding at 5 months. I'm very interested in your observation, thanks Robyn -Original Message-From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with Dairy products. We need to run Breastmilk advertisingto be displayedon National and International media in opposition to the Advertisements about how good cow's milk is. Not many women realise that Infant Formula is Cow's Milk they have a very surprised expression when you explain these things. We need to be educating/informing women, there is so much to learn, everyday I learn something new. I see many babies affected by Cow's milk and of course many other products too. One of the vogue products at present is Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules.The babies whose mothers are taking these products start tobreast refuse and when I ask the mother to cut the capsule in half and taste it she can clearly understand why the baby doesn't want her milk. Smelling inside the bottle of tablets and other products and tastingwill give you an idea of what the baby experiences. When they stop taking these products inevitably the baby settles back into happy breastfeeding. So the moral to Soy and Cow's Milk is replace it with BREAST MILK and that means EDUCATION regards. Robyn -Original Message-From: Valerie Richard James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Greetings! The British government's Committee on Toxicity in Food and the Environment (C oT) has assessed the risks to consumers of the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy foods and other products, especially the risks toinfants of hormonal disruption from consumption of soy infant formulas You can see their findings here http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/phytoreportworddocs We draw your attention in particular to the chapters on fertility and reproduction, and on thyroid function. You will find more on these topics at www.soyonlineservice.co.nz . Having this information, who would knowingly feed their child soy... or themselves, for that matter? Yet, incredibly, this Committee has not suggested that consumers be told of this. All it does isconclude that doctors only prescribe soy formulaswhen clinically indicated(whatever that means). It does not even suggest that doctors tell their patients what risks there may be, or that these risks should be matters of informed consent. How many mothers would submit to exposing their baby, if they knew the full extent of risk to their child's future ? Consultations with the UK Food Standards Agency are invited until December 3, 2002. WeURGE you to express an opinion on whether soy baby foods should be sold at all, or whether they should have health warning labeling (eg this product may make your child infertile and cause thyoid diseases), and whether the general public should be warned of the risks to adults. The Precautuionary Principle would indicate, from the material offered by the CoT Committee, that isoflavones should be removed from soy protein Sincerely, Valerie.
[ozmidwifery] Australian Story
I needed to comment on the follow up of Vanessa,Layla and her very beautiful Raphael and I wish no disrespect to her or her choices. I was watching and crying as we all no doubt were but when I saw her baby being born by caesarean my whole body wrenched and I cried new tears that caught me by surprise. I cried for all the babies denied the chance to be born vagianlly, it is not the gentle birth that they promise. I know she has her live baby and I wish her all the love in the world for that. I was intrigued that her epidural didn't work and my thoughts were that she needed to feel the pain of her child being born. I wonder what difference it would make to the heeling process to have a subsequent pregnancy supported by a midwife who could help you on the journey? It looked as if she chose technology and obstetric care which can give you a live baby but doesn't address those deeper concerns about the bodies ability to birth. I wonder if she explored the option of one-on-one midwifery care? Just some thoughts I had on it, Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Industrialized childbirth harms future generations
Title: Re: Industrialized childbirth harms future generations Dear Listers, To give us a wee boost. Liz Mc Hi ElizabethI would like to see the film first. I am not going to screen it with the full program of Wild Spaces as it is not legitimately part of the Festival. However, at the Beltane Festival we are screening selections from WS and I could possibly screen it there with the announcement that it is not part of WS.I am very much concerned about industrialized birthing as an ex-nurse and having being involved in supporting several homebirths including 2 of my nieces.I would like to screen independent films on social and environmental issues, and am developing the idea of a travelling media circus, so it is quite possible I could help with this.What format is the program on (i.e. DVD, VHS, miniDV0). You could post it to me C/- Colac ACE. PO Box 382, Colac, Vic, 3250.I'll forward you info about the Beltane Festival in a separate email.RegardsDavidon 30/10/02 8:18 AM, elizabeth mcalpine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear David,Thank you. Should I just post the video to you at ACE, Colac, for copying to your computer? I live in Melbourne - do you ever visit?? I can come to Colac if you need to discuss the film beforehand.The film is not my work. It is the copyright of Vicki Chan Nic Edmonstone, Queensland. However, I have been given permission to distribute it as I see fit in pursuit of humanizing childbirth. It is a matter of urgency to disseminate this short film, which needs no words, to resonate in human, particularly women's consciousness, to explain its message. The film, "In Union" is about humanizing childbirth incontrast to industrialized childbirth which has severe implications for civilization such as aggression and other dysfunctions, and total disregard for nature's laws.Similarly, (from Odent, 2002), this industrialized birth is familiar in animal husbandry, and catastrophic births among endangered species in zoos is due to the same ignorance (or rejection??) of mammalian birth physiology. The corollary with industrialized farming with its degradation of the planet, manipulative techniques and recent disasters such as mad cow and foot and mouth disease, antibiotic resistance, exogenous oestrogens and its effects, alerts one to the possibilities of impending disaster in industrialized childbirth.sincerely,Elizabeth
Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery
Title: Love of midwifery Dear Fiona Don't give up. I'm sure you are making a difference for a lot of individual women and it is possible that you will be an agent of change in this unit. It can seem like an impossible task with insurmountable barriers (doctors and management) but you do have more power than you realise. You do need to ensure that you maintain your strength however. Join forces with like-minded midwives and support each other and take regular nourishment for your midwife soul by meeting other midwives at conferences and workshops. Make a plan of how you want to change your unit - you can't change everything at once but many small steps will get you a long way along the path ..plan small changes to start with - maybe simple changes in the physical layout - make up information sheets (referenced and evidence based) to hand out to the women about whatever issues you feel they need exposure to alternative views to that being presented by the MOs - having info in printwill often add weight - might even shine some light into the closed MO minds. With regards to the admission CTG - if you can't at this point change the policy (though don't stop trying) then encourage and support women to refuse admission CTG as is their right - As you say there is plenty of evidence to support yourview so if the policy makers aren't interested thenensure that the womenget the information - you could do up an info sheet about the CTGs as well as something on the Bill of Rights. Others on the list have suggested starting your own childbirth ed classes this can be empowering for yourself as well as for those you are teaching. I have been a midwife for 15 years and have spent most of that time working in hospitals. I fully understand what you are feeling. I have had many sleepless nights and know well that feeling in the gut which churns with anger and frustration as I lay there and think about all the things I would like to have told some smart arse doctor who knows nothing of value about childbirth but seems to think he is an authority because he has a medical degree.A nursing background is a handicap that is difficult to overcome when it comes to being assertive!..but practice makes perfect..I have often found it a challenge to have the confidence and strength of mind to resist and shake the obstinate belief some doctors seem to have that they are "the keepers of all knowledge". I know well the hissing. spitting, frustration of dealing with the arrogant young doctor with two minutes experience of childbirth who has denigrated the profound knowledge of midwiveswho have been deeply involved with childbirth for decades as being 'airy fairy nonsense'But I also know thesatisfaction of working in a cooperative team where there is mutual trust and respect. It is important thatpassionate midwives continue to work in the mainstream services where the majority of women give birth.Whilstwe continue to fight to change the system these women need the support and protection thatonly a passionate midwifecan give. We do have to protect the women from the contagion of fear and the skewed world view of the medicos who practice in fear. We need to be there for support when a woman chooses not to take the advise given by the doctor.We have toallow women access to the knowledge and wisdom contained in our art of midwifery rather than leave them exposed to theundiluted and so often self righteous"expert advice"in the medical system. The advocacy role of the midwife in the hospital situation is so important for the health and well being ofwomen and their families. It is a difficult path to walk for the midwife and can sometimes feel like you are working in a war zone, full of fear and conflict, when it should (and can) be positive, nurturing and cooperative We need to keep tapping away to get the system changed so that all women have access to good midwifery care we have to arm ourselves with evidence - scientific facts and figures are what appeal to these folk so arm yourself and keep presenting it to them and arguing. We need to be tenacious and dogged in our defence both of the birthing women we advocate for as well for the truth of midwifery knowledge. We need to learn to be assertiveas well diplomatic - we do need to have a cooperative team for the benefit of the woman as well as ourselves - it is often difficult to know when to bite your tongue and when to dig in and say no you are wrong and I am right. We don't want a war of egos going on over the top of a woman who is labouring. She needs to be allowed to focus on herself rather than on the conflict between midwife and doctor - we need to remember the woman is first consideration and our job is to protect her interests. We need to build an environment of mutual respect and trust between doctors and midwives. Sometimes to achieve this you first have to belt them around the head a few times before that
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Title: Message Great! I have my lovely Sarah (19) in hospital with quinsy -drains IV antibiotics etc (She NEVER gets sick so this is a shock to her ) when she had a blood test at the clinic the previous day,she thought the nurse was going to "do it like the blood bank" that she visited with a biology class a couple of years ago - the nurse said -"you MUST have had needles at school ! Sarah nodded "no" - she couldnt talk andhasnt been immunised.The woman asked, were you one of the ones who hid in the toilet? THATs why you are sick now!! -I didnt have the energy to argue -just asked could Sarah please lie down as she wasnt feeling at all well, then sat with her. Thankfully all the hopital nurses have been lovely. Im just on the way back to hospital to see her but will contact the relevant people in the next week or two and will keep you informed. Pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Sure, Pinky...I'm ready for anything it takes!! Love, Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Hi Liz, I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on contacts. I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!! Then if this comes off - any money raised / sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the cherry! Do you want me to go ahead and contact the producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy -hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of anything said during a pre-recorded interview). It also helps to have a website to refer women to for further info. Pinky
[ozmidwifery] Fw: If Only... disregard previous email
I just received the following email from a TV producer -she is a lovely young girl - could this be an opportunity for someone to express regret about a birth experience? Pinky Hello, Thank you all for your help, advice or participation in the second series of Mums The Word. I am now researching wonderful, interesting new series for SBS Television called If Only. The series will tell the real life stories of people who have some kind of regret or guilt about an event, decision or process in their past. The person may be seeking resolution or perhaps they are battling with what would have happened differently in their life. The series will be filmed in a documentary style and will only include material that participants give us permission to use. We are looking for a range of human stories from the serious through to the light hearted. If you know of anyone with an If Only.., whether short, funny and lighthearted or serious and heartfelt I would love to hear from you. Kind Regards, Caroline Winnall Researcher If Only SBS Television ph: 61 2 9430 3908 fax: 61 2 9438 1590 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] reaction to cs
Megan wrote: my whole body wrenched and I cried new tears that caught me bysurprise. The first time I saw Losing Layla was the first time I was 'back in a theatre' and it set off a regressed memory of how terrifying my experience was. I am glad I did not see the doco the other night as mine cs's epidural didn't work either and it probably would have sent me off again. Megan and I have discussed in the past that unless you have been there it is hard to understand how having a cs can effect you emotionally..and I guess that for most they don't even know that it has effected them. I agree with respecting choice but I also know of people who after losing one, then having a cs for the next, that they can realise that a cs is not a guarantee of painfree and problem free. don't know where I am heading with this.just wanted to make a comment. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site
Hi, can anyone help me? I am looking for a breastfeeding information web site that is entitled BSMed or something like that. Has anyone heard of it??? Cheers, Julia M. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] here is a hot one
here is a topic that will get many of you annoyed at me!( thought it was about time) I have noticed a trend happening and wanted to point this out. There has been discussion in the past of the lack of consumer support and push for change. Yes, I agree to and extent as most of the community are oblivious to what is going on. Those consumers who do now are usually slogging their arses off to get change...with no real benefits to themselves in any way other than satisfaction that SOMEONE else may not end up with a scar on her belly for no reason (unlike the one on my belly that I can never get free of) Now here is the juicy bit..I am starting to realise that it appears that there is a large portion of midwives who lament about the way birth is today, they know what it happening and yet when there is something like NMAP being suggested it suddenly is left up to consumers to do the work. I am referring to situations like last week when here in SA a meeting was held to see what to do next with NMAP implementationtwo consumers (who work beyond their limits anyway) and one uni lecturer attended..no midwives. I know that women are the ones who will benefit from something like NMAP, but hey! there are midwives that will be in far greater positions career wise (money wise) job satisfaction wise and so forth if NMAP does get implemented. I suppose what I am saying is that yes, consumers need to demand change BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE LEFT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN CARE (sorry about caps!) or drag the children to meeting after meeting with pollies; we are not the ones who should be using our home computers and resources and so forth without reimbursement; we are not the ones who should be putting families and friends second to trying to improve maternity services alone! Here in SA we have some very strong and determined women who are not going to benefit from something like NMAP but we are the ones who are working tirelessly to get it happening. I would like to ask all SA midwives if you agree with the NMAP and would like to see it happen here in SA then BE THERE TO SUPPORT US SUPPORT YOU! There is only so much that Cheryl, Megan, Jen, Emma, Carolyn and myself can do guys! Now those of you who know me know that I am not really a bitch (well most of the time), but I am just about ready to say "stuff it" and go and dig in my rose garden and not do anything other than take the occasional phone call in reference to CARES SA. Those of you who know me know how passionate I am about women's rights to the best type of care - midwifery care.but at the moment I am looking around and not seeing any midwife fighting for NMAP with us. I know that many of you are fighting within the system, but we as consumers need to know that you support us by being there at meetings or something! I know you work and have families BUT SO DO WE! Anyway, I will sit back and wait for the hate mail to come rolling inI am not attacking those of you who are active; just those who are sitting back and letting others fight a fight for you! I have read about maintaining passion for midwifery...but not seen much commitment and support for those consumers who are trying to keep the option of midwifery alive. cheers guys! Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] Birth tableau
Subject: Fwd: Fw: birth tableau I just had to send this one on. Betsy, a grammar-school teacher from Miami, remembers this Oscar-worthy birth tableau from one of her students... I've been teaching now for about fifteen years. I have two kids myself, but the best birth story I know is the one I saw in my own second-grade classroom a few years back . When I was a kid, I loved show-and-tell. So I always have a few sessions with my students. It helps them get over shyness and experience a little public speaking. And it gives me a break and some guaranteed entertainment. Usually, show-and-tell is pretty tame. Kids bring in pet turtles, Model airplanes, pictures of fish they catch, stuff like that. And I never, Ever place any boundaries or limitations on them. If they want to lug it To school and talk about it, they're welcome. Well, one day this little girl, Erica - a very bright, very out-going kid - takes her turn and waddles up to the front of the class with a pillow stuffed under her sweater. She holds up a snapshot of an infant. "This is Luke, my baby brother, and I'm going to tell you about his birthday. First, Mommy and Daddy made him as a symbol of their love, and then Daddy put a seed in my mother's stomach, and Luke grew in there. He ate for nine months through an umbrella cord." She's standing there with her hands on the pillow, and I'm trying not To laugh and wishing I had a video camera rolling. The kids are watching Her in amazement. "Then, about two Saturdays ago, my mother starts going, 'Oh, oh, oh! '" Erica puts a hand behind her back and groans. "She walked around the House for, like an hour, 'Oh, oh, oh!'" Now the kids' are all doing this hysterical duck-walk, holding their back and groaning. "My father called the middle wife. She delivers babies, but she doesn't have a sign on the car like the Domino's man. They got my mother to lie down in bed like this." Erica lies down with her back against the wall. "And then, pop! My mother had this bag of water she kept in there in case he got thirsty, and it just blew up and spilled all over the bed, like psshhheew!" This kid has her legs spread and with her little hands is miming water flowing way. It was too much! "Then the middle wife starts going "push, push, and breathe, breathe." They start counting, but they never even got past ten. Then - all of a sudden - out comes my brother. He was covered in yucky stuff they said was from the play-center, so there must be a lot of stuff inside there." Then Erica stood up, took a big theatrical bow and returned to her seat. I'm sure I applauded the loudest. Ever since then, if it's show-and-tell day, I bring my camcorder - just in case another Erica comes along.
[ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Fw: Industrialized childbirth harms future generations
Title: Re: Industrialized childbirth harms future generations Have the organizer in each place been contacted with the idea of a side show screening?? I would be happy to follow this through in WA Yeah to Colac!! And Im sad that I wont be at Wolfgangs Beltane this year. Sally Westbury -Original Message- From: elizabeth mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 9:19 AM To: ozmidwifery Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [birthnews] Fw: Industrialized childbirth harms future generations Dear Listers, To give us a wee boost. Liz Mc Hi Elizabeth I would like to see the film first. I am not going to screen it with the full program of Wild Spaces as it is not legitimately part of the Festival. However, at the Beltane Festival we are screening selections from WS and I could possibly screen it there with the announcement that it is not part of WS. I am very much concerned about industrialized birthing as an ex-nurse and having being involved in supporting several homebirths including 2 of my nieces. I would like to screen independent films on social and environmental issues, and am developing the idea of a travelling media circus, so it is quite possible I could help with this. What format is the program on (i.e. DVD, VHS, miniDV0). You could post it to me C/- Colac ACE. PO Box 382, Colac, Vic, 3250. I'll forward you info about the Beltane Festival in a separate email. Regards David on 30/10/02 8:18 AM, elizabeth mcalpine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear David, Thank you. Should I just post the video to you at ACE, Colac, for copying to your computer? I live in Melbourne - do you ever visit?? I can come to Colac if you need to discuss the film beforehand. The film is not my work. It is the copyright of Vicki Chan Nic Edmonstone, Queensland. However, I have been given permission to distribute it as I see fit in pursuit of humanizing childbirth. It is a matter of urgency to disseminate this short film, which needs no words, to resonate in human, particularly women's consciousness, to explain its message. The film, In Union is about humanizing childbirth incontrast to industrialized childbirth which has severe implications for civilization such as aggression and other dysfunctions, and total disregard for nature's laws. Similarly, (from Odent, 2002), this industrialized birth is familiar in animal husbandry, and catastrophic births among endangered species in zoos is due to the same ignorance (or rejection??) of mammalian birth physiology. The corollary with industrialized farming with its degradation of the planet, manipulative techniques and recent disasters such as mad cow and foot and mouth disease, antibiotic resistance, exogenous oestrogens and its effects, alerts one to the possibilities of impending disaster in industrialized childbirth. sincerely, Elizabeth
RE: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one
good on you Jo, you're spot we need to do this together, we have a local group here and sadly I am often the only midwife who attends the meetings and all I can think of is where is everyone else? Last week I put up a notice to set up a working party of midwives to look at our local maternity service, no one has put their name on the list as yet, basically it pisses me off, I know all the reasons why but to be perfectly honest I'm not interested in the excuses any more, maternity services in this country as a rule are appalling and we as a collective have an opportunity to change things for the better, I honestly believe in NMAP and what it stands for and have a great respect for all those who have put the work into it, the least I can do is raise it at any opportunity I can and speak in favour of it, whenever I tell any consumers about it, they think it is a great idea. It worries me though when I get blank looks from many of the midwives I work with, it just all seems a bit too much for them, bad luck I believe in it and for as long as I can I will push for NMAP. yours in midwifery pete malavisi -Original Message-From: Jo Dean Bainbridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 12:54To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one here is a topic that will get many of you annoyed at me!( thought it was about time) I have noticed a trend happening and wanted to point this out. There has been discussion in the past of the lack of consumer support and push for change. Yes, I agree to and extent as most of the community are oblivious to what is going on. Those consumers who do now are usually slogging their arses off to get change...with no real benefits to themselves in any way other than satisfaction that SOMEONE else may not end up with a scar on her belly for no reason (unlike the one on my belly that I can never get free of) Now here is the juicy bit..I am starting to realise that it appears that there is a large portion of midwives who lament about the way birth is today, they know what it happening and yet when there is something like NMAP being suggested it suddenly is left up to consumers to do the work. I am referring to situations like last week when here in SA a meeting was held to see what to do next with NMAP implementationtwo consumers (who work beyond their limits anyway) and one uni lecturer attended..no midwives. I know that women are the ones who will benefit from something like NMAP, but hey! there are midwives that will be in far greater positions career wise (money wise) job satisfaction wise and so forth if NMAP does get implemented. I suppose what I am saying is that yes, consumers need to demand change BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE LEFT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN CARE (sorry about caps!) or drag the children to meeting after meeting with pollies; we are not the ones who should be using our home computers and resources and so forth without reimbursement; we are not the ones who should be putting families and friends second to trying to improve maternity services alone! Here in SA we have some very strong and determined women who are not going to benefit from something like NMAP but we are the ones who are working tirelessly to get it happening. I would like to ask all SA midwives if you agree with the NMAP and would like to see it happen here in SA then BE THERE TO SUPPORT US SUPPORT YOU! There is only so much that Cheryl, Megan, Jen, Emma, Carolyn and myself can do guys! Now those of you who know me know that I am not really a bitch (well most of the time), but I am just about ready to say "stuff it" and go and dig in my rose garden and not do anything other than take the occasional phone call in reference to CARES SA. Those of you who know me know how passionate I am about women's rights to the best type of care - midwifery care.but at the moment I am looking around and not seeing any midwife fighting for NMAP with us. I know that many of you are fighting within the system, but we as consumers need to know that you support us by being there at meetings or something! I know you work and have families BUT SO DO WE! Anyway, I will sit back and wait for the hate mail to come rolling inI am not attacking those of you who are active; just those who are sitting back and letting others fight a fight for you! I have read about maintaining passion for midwifery...but not seen much commitment and support for those consumers who are trying to keep the option of midwifery alive. cheers guys! Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site
In a message dated 30/10/02 4:50:00 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, can anyone help me? I am looking for a breastfeeding information web site that is entitled BSMed or something like that. Has anyone heard of it??? Cheers, Julia M. HI Julia... no not that page exactly...by I have this URL for a GP website on breastfeeding... http://www.gp.org.au/cls/ Cheers Tina Pettigrew.
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk
My observation is during consultationbabies fuss at the breast and eventuallybreast refuse. When I take a detailed history the common denominator is something the mother swallowsevery single day that is altering the taste and smell of her milk and the baby reacts to this. When we investigate the smell and taste and eliminate the possible cause from her ingestion the baby inevitably stops fussing and enjoys breastfeeding again. I think it is more likely to occur early in the breastfeeding history when the mother has been ingesting a common denominator during pregnancy because the taste and smell of the ingested product/food crosses into theliqour. regards, Robyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robyn BorgasSent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:25 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk Robyn, You mentioned Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules may cause breast fefusal, at what age have you noticed this happening. Is it more noticable from mothers taking them during pregnancy or postnatally only ? This was suggested to me during my second pregnancy by my naturopath (which I took during and after pregnancy) and my daughter is still happily breastfeeding at 5 months. I'm very interested in your observation, thanks Robyn -Original Message-From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with Dairy products. We need to run Breastmilk advertisingto be displayedon National and International media in opposition to the Advertisements about how good cow's milk is. Not many women realise that Infant Formula is Cow's Milk they have a very surprised expression when you explain these things. We need to be educating/informing women, there is so much to learn, everyday I learn something new. I see many babies affected by Cow's milk and of course many other products too. One of the vogue products at present is Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules.The babies whose mothers are taking these products start tobreast refuse and when I ask the mother to cut the capsule in half and taste it she can clearly understand why the baby doesn't want her milk. Smelling inside the bottle of tablets and other products and tastingwill give you an idea of what the baby experiences. When they stop taking these products inevitably the baby settles back into happy breastfeeding. So the moral to Soy and Cow's Milk is replace it with BREAST MILK and that means EDUCATION regards. Robyn -Original Message-From: Valerie Richard James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Greetings! The British government's Committee on Toxicity in Food and the Environment (C oT) has assessed the risks to consumers of the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy foods and other products, especially the risks toinfants of hormonal disruption from consumption of soy infant formulas You can see their findings here http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/phytoreportworddocs We draw your attention in particular to the chapters on fertility and reproduction, and on thyroid function. You will find more on these topics at www.soyonlineservice.co.nz . Having this information, who would knowingly feed their child soy... or themselves, for that matter? Yet, incredibly, this Committee has not suggested that consumers be told of this. All it does isconclude that doctors only prescribe soy formulas"when clinically indicated"(whatever that means). It does not even suggest that doctors tell their patients what risks there may be, or that these risks should be matters of "informed consent". How many mothers would submit to exposing their baby, if they knew the full extent of risk to their child's future ? Consultations with the UK Food Standards Agency are invited until December 3, 2002. WeURGE you to express an opinion on whether soy baby foods should be sold at all, or whether they should have health warning labeling (eg this product may make your child infertile and cause thyoid diseases), and whether the general public should be warned of the risks to adults.
[ozmidwifery] Midwifery in the UK
Hi Oz listers, I read Jo Bainbridge's comments about the lack of support from midwives in OZ for those consuemrs working their butts off for NMAP, and I empathised with her sentiments exactly. Right now I am slogging my way around the UK trying to get midwives to look at their practice and to rediscover their midwifery roots, because midwifery is on a slippery downward slope here in the UK. One reason that midwives are unable to go to meetings etc is that they are overworked because of short staffing etc. When midwives have to work as obstetric nurses this leads to burnout and despondancy. Finding extra time and commitment to go to meetings may just seem impossible. This comment is not intended as an excuse for not getting more invovled, nor a let out for midwives - I think they should make that extra effort, because not only will they advance the cause of their own profession, but they will reconnect with passionate consumers who will help to lift their spirits and remind them of what it is all about. I had a shocking experience the other day at a Conference in Wales - too long to write it all up again here - but have a read of my Diary entry. http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html This is happening in Australia too, I feel sure and we must fight to make sure it does not become widespread. I am hoping that the next Future Birth tour in April will expose a lot more midwives to NMAP and also to ACMI - the last Future Birth tour attracted over 1100 midwives in all, and very few of them were ACMI members, for example. I hope to get a similar number to this series so we can spread the word further and inspire the younger midwives to take up the challenges. Please spread the word! The details are on our web site. http://www.birthinternational.com/event/futbirth2003/index.html Yours from a wet, cold and windy Wales (wish I could bring some of this rain home with me in 2 weeks!) Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
