RE: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...

[Robyn Thompson]

Dear Tania
Can you give me some contact details re this doppler or do they have a
website?

regards,   Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom, Tania and
Sam Smallwood
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...


Not sure if I'm too late with this, but I bought a doppler from Cottman
surgical supplies here in Adelaide, and a lovely man by the name of Andrew
gave us a great deal on a Japanese made doppler called a Minidop  (model
ES-100VX) made by a company called Madeco.  It's fantastic, has a long
straight cord, waterproof handpiece, output connectors for headphones or
taping if you like, comes with the same warranty as the Huntleigh, and price
wise, can't beat it at $510, but we got it cheaper than that, and he said
he'd do a deal for any of our colleagues as we had recommended to one of the
country hospitals here to purchase some, and thus the discount.  If you want
me to give him a ring and see what he can do for you re price and postage,
let me know!


Tania





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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic u/s to determine pelvic size and birthing ability???

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Every thing I 've ever read or heard has invalidated this attitude.  I think
the only time it might be valid to do regular pelvimetry would be if the
woman had a history of starvation/malnutrition in her development or some
skeletal abnormality. But barring these outliers cannot see it. I don't know
what an u/s would reveal that the other wouldn't.

marilyn
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From: "rem & melissa bruijn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic u/s to determine pelvic size and birthing
ability???


> Can anyone help me with this?  I have a close friend at the Gold Coast who
> wants a vbac, and has found a vbac-friendly OB...BUT...he has said he
wants
> her to have an u/s at 34 wks to determine her pelvic size, so she doesn't
> have to go thru a long labour for nothing!!!!!!  I have told her of
the
> futility of this, as it won't show what amazing things a birthing woman's
> pelvis can do...especially when squatting!  She doesn't want the u/s, but
is
> feeling backed into a corner becuase this OB is the only vbac-friendly one
> on the coast.  He does waterbirths and I think breech vaginal births and
is
> apparently pro-vbac...but the fact that he wants this u/s sets off alarm
> bells for me.  DOes anyone have any stats or further info on the pelvic
u/s
> and its effectiveness in determining pelvic size and ability to birth?
SHe
> just wants to be prepared when she goes to her next appt and advises the
OB
> she does not want this.  I am having trouble accessing info, so thought
I'd
> see if anyone has any ideas.
>
> THanks in advance,
> Melissa
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Excellent idea. I am all for it.
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Thompson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:37 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's 
  response to Denise
  
  OK
  This 
  is my suggestion.  Long and hard but worth the 
  try. 
   
  Why 
  don't we through Ozmidwifery organise an outstanding NATIONAL CONFERENCE with 
  All the interested and supportive groups (lead my Maternity Coalition and 
  NMAP).  Invite the most effective members of Parliament and all the Area 
  Chief Executive Officers and many doctors, invite overseas speaker who have 
  made such changes in their country.  Invite universities and educators 
  from all areas. Even the NZ Prime Minister would be helpful.  Invite 
  the major insurance companies.
   
  Don't wait any longer, we are all talking about being united, set some 
  plans now and start working on it in the New Year so we can set some 
  dates.
   
  Who 
  is interested in this united front?
   
  Robyn
  www.melbmidwifery.com.au 
   
    
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sally 
WestburySent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:56 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re 
Tina's response to Denise

“as midwives we must stop declaring ourselves as victims 
of circumstance and become the architects of our own transformation”  Tina 
Pettigrew
 
I believe that this 
is the key for any hope in implementing NMAP.  Until we see how we could be as 
midwives, autonomous respected professionals, NMAP won’t happen. 

 
We must stand 
together as midwives and support each midwife in her chosen place so that 
women can then find the ‘safe’ place for each individual to birth in. Safe 
in that the woman will feel safe to birth in her own 
power.
 
Unfortunately the 
ACMI was not able to draw the unifying energy together last year this was 
tragic. 
 
Sally 
Westbury
 

[ozmidwifery] Pelvic u/s to determine pelvic size and birthing ability???

[rem & melissa bruijn]

Can anyone help me with this?  I have a close friend at the Gold Coast who
wants a vbac, and has found a vbac-friendly OB...BUT...he has said he wants
her to have an u/s at 34 wks to determine her pelvic size, so she doesn't
have to go thru a long labour for nothing!!!!!!  I have told her of the
futility of this, as it won't show what amazing things a birthing woman's
pelvis can do...especially when squatting!  She doesn't want the u/s, but is
feeling backed into a corner becuase this OB is the only vbac-friendly one
on the coast.  He does waterbirths and I think breech vaginal births and is
apparently pro-vbac...but the fact that he wants this u/s sets off alarm
bells for me.  DOes anyone have any stats or further info on the pelvic u/s
and its effectiveness in determining pelvic size and ability to birth?  SHe
just wants to be prepared when she goes to her next appt and advises the OB
she does not want this.  I am having trouble accessing info, so thought I'd
see if anyone has any ideas.

THanks in advance,
Melissa
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Robyn Thompson]

OK
This 
is my suggestion.  Long and hard but worth the 
try. 
 
Why 
don't we through Ozmidwifery organise an outstanding NATIONAL CONFERENCE with 
All the interested and supportive groups (lead my Maternity Coalition and 
NMAP).  Invite the most effective members of Parliament and all the Area 
Chief Executive Officers and many doctors, invite overseas speaker who have made 
such changes in their country.  Invite universities and educators from all 
areas. Even the NZ Prime Minister would be helpful.  Invite the major 
insurance companies.
 
Don't 
wait any longer, we are all talking about being united, set some plans now and 
start working on it in the New Year so we can set some 
dates.
 
Who is 
interested in this united front?
 
Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au 
 
  


  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sally 
  WestburySent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:56 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's 
  response to Denise
  
  “as midwives we must stop declaring ourselves as victims of 
  circumstance and become the architects of our own transformation”  Tina 
  Pettigrew
   
  I believe that this 
  is the key for any hope in implementing NMAP.  Until we see how we could be as 
  midwives, autonomous respected professionals, NMAP won’t happen. 
  
   
  We must stand 
  together as midwives and support each midwife in her chosen place so that 
  women can then find the ‘safe’ place for each individual to birth in. Safe in 
  that the woman will feel safe to birth in her own 
  power.
   
  Unfortunately the 
  ACMI was not able to draw the unifying energy together last year this was 
  tragic. 
   
  Sally 
  Westbury
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Robyn Thompson]

Debby
This 
is a wonderful story.  Can you let the Area Health Service (go right to the 
top first) know of your experience and utter satisfaction.  If there are 
more women who have had the same or similar experience they could join 
you.  Let someone high up know how you and your midwife worked in harmony 
to achieve your goals.  Congratulations.
 
Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Debby 
  MSent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:08 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's 
  response to Denise
  
  
  From a consumer point of view - I was very fortuneate when I had my birth 
  centre birth recently to have a midwife who had no qualms in accepting what I 
  wanted for my delivery despite the fact that it was totally against a number 
  of the hospital's standard policies for VBAC women.  I laboured without 
  continuous monitoring or a drip, without a supervising obstetrician and had a 
  waterbirth.  When I was admitted she did not inform the registrar of my 
  arrival (another standard protocol for VBACs) as she felt it more important to 
  be with me during my perfectly normal and fast progressing labour rather than 
  running off to find some doctor - and I thank her for it.  
  We had discussed responsibility during one of my antenatal visits and I 
  advised her that I knew what I wanted, had read the medical risks and benefits 
  and it was my choice.  I wanted her to support me in these informed 
  choices and indicated that I felt responsible for my choices.  She 
  consequently also accepted these responsibilities in relation to how they 
  interacted with the hospital policy.
  The outcome for me was a stress free birth as I did not have to argue with 
  anyone and because I had a midwife who I knew would always be there for me 
  (not for some doctor or hospital policy) and therefore this trust meant that 
  if she had suggested something that was outside of our birthplan I felt 
  confident it would only be undertaken if absolutely medically necessary.
  So to those of you who are brave enough to accept the responsibility in 
  order to ensure your "mothers" have the best possible delivery I salute you, 
  and to those who do not yet do this then please consider it as the difference 
  it makes to the midwife/mother trust relationship and therefore labour 
  progress and emotional outcome is very real.
  Debby
  
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

[Robyn Thompson]

Thanks Pete
Understand and totally agree. I think I would like to stand up in Parliament
and tell them all about the wonderful service midwives provide in Australia.
Sometime I just want to get up and SCREAM it out loud, but until we are
united it will remain somewhat oblivious to the majority.

Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malavisi, Pete
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:40 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI


Dear Robyn, I agree with you that all midwives should have access to
indemnity insurance my reference to "another issue" is more in line that we
could be employed today by our various governments and have indemnity cover
whereas we all know this is not available privately.  We have literally
truckloads of evidence that midwife care is the way to go yet we still have
this battle to convince our health services that this is the way to go,  the
unity comes with all of us striving to have this available to all women
across the country, whilst I feel many on this list are supportive there are
many out there who still need convincing, then throw in the politics and
wow, not saying this is impossible but it's going to take a bit of work to
get there, regards pete

-Original Message-
From: Robyn Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 02:44
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI


Not sure if I have interpreted what you have said correctly Peter.  Based on
my interpretation I offer my response to the extract below.

  I still believe that PI should be available to those who wish
  to practice privately as well but see that as another issue.

Professional Indemnity should be equally available to all midwives
regardless of place of practice. How can it be "another issue" when we are
all governed by the Health Act?  If we maintain this fragmented approach and
attitude within our profession we are never likely to be united and grow as
a profession.  Midwives need access to all that is necessary to be able to
give women the type of service they choose. Women who birth at home save the
Govt a lot of money, yet they are denied any access to Medicare Rebate even
though they pay their annual levy.  Professional equality for all.

Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malavisi, Pete
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract


I am basically a socialist at heart, so I see Govt employed public system my
future, even with all the controls over the years I have managed to have
many excellent birthing experiences with women and their families,
inevitably it has meant jumping through some hoops at times but I have
accepted that as part of the deal, I still believe that PI should be
available to those who wish to practice privately as well but see that as
another issue.  If we can be employed by Govt to make NMAP happen then in
effect we have increased choices for women, the politics and control will
continue whatever system is chosen. hope this makes sense, feel like I'm
rambling a bit, yours in midwifery pete malavisi







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RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

[Robyn Thompson]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract



Jan 
you have put the case well.
 
To 
ripple the waters and move beyond the boundaries of constraint will bring 
fruitful change.
 
Midwives need to be strong, united and show real support for each other 
regardless of where they practice (observe the medical profession when they 
are faced with a challenge).  That is why they have been successful in 
obtaining Government support for the Professional Indemnity Crises.  To me 
this means inequality and maybe we should be pursuing as a strong, united group 
the challenge of Professional Indemnity inequality that now 
exists.
 
Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan 
  RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 4:11 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  SalariedVersusContractOn 27/11/02 
  10:35 PM, "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I don’t think that we should have 
to run business to be considered to be a profession. The really important 
issues are around the regulation of midwifery. I believe that midwifery 
should be regulated by professional midwifery organizations. For example. If 
my husband, the electrician were contracted to the hospital to install 
electrical equipment, the hospital would not provide him with guidelines 
because he has guidelines/rules for how he should do it. These are standards 
provided by his training and licencing bodies, which is from electricians. 
Similarily we should be able to be contracted to the hospital to provide 
midwifery services and be expected and trusted to work to a professional 
standard as guided by our professional body.If a doctor comes to work in the hospital where are 
the guidelines for his practice.. don’t we just expect he will work to a 
certain standard.  Come to think about it the doctors usually provide 
the guidelines for their particular likes and dislikes and the midwives run 
around providing gloves.. powdered or not powdered according etc ect 
 to the protocols that he provides.If we are going to change maternity services for 
women let us also put something in place that establishes us as autonomous 
practioners.Dear 
  SallyYou are spot on with your suggestion to put something in place of 
  the services we currently offer.Of course standards are most important 
  and our College has provided us with a list of competency standards that are 
  hard to beat.  But the “something” we really need to put in place of the 
  fragmented care that we currently offer is to commit ourselves to really being 
  more “with  woman” as our title suggests. We need to phase out 
  practices that mean midwives are only partly with women  (an hour 
  here or a day or so there) and introduce more continuous care programs. 
   Surely midwives already employed could contract to their Area Health 
  Authroity to provide continuity of care. We still have enterprise bargaining 
  do we not? There is ample evidence to suggest that this type of care is safe, 
  if not safer, and women receiving continuous care with midwives experience 
  more personal satisfaction. As well, the midwife offering such professional 
  services feels more professional satisfaction.  Apart from professional 
  satisfaction midwives midwives experience they are less likely to make 
  mistakes or be involved in misunderstandings during critical times of the 
  pregnancy as the one-to-one communication makes this less likely . 
    The difference in client satisfaction between continuous 
  and fragmented standards was explained to me recently by a woman who had her 
  first baby in New Zealand and the next one at a large Sydney teaching 
  hospital. She told me that the NZ midwives made her feel “really special”. 
  They already knew her when she came into their hospital to give birth and they 
  even visited her at home and “put fresh linen on my bed at home and bought me 
  flowers” the next day. She was totally impressed with these kindnesses. 
   There was no comparison between the NZ experience and the Sydney 
  experience where the midwives were nice to her (and she had no complaints at 
  all about them) but she felt she was just another number on their list and she 
  never saw them again when she went home. One of the hallmarks of any 
  professional is that they have their own clients within their own practice and 
  are able to provide private, personalised care. The service provided by 
  professionals who contract directly with their clients is quite different to 
  that provided by a professional who is employed by someone else, particularly 
  critical care institutions. I challenge all midwives who care for hospital 
  patients to ask them today ... “would you like to have the services of your 
  own midwife throughout your pregnancy if they were available? Would you like 
  to choose w

RE: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS

[Robyn Thompson]

I am happy to communicate directly with you either by phone, fax or email
regards,

Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS


Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone out there might have some home birth mothers who
are willing to participate in my research.  I am currently interviewing
women who give birth through the private system, the public/tertiary led
system and the public/midwifery led system.  I feel that the women who seek
out a home birth experience are needed for this study.  I live in the NSW
area, but am able to interview face to face in Melbourne as well.  I also
have a transcriber that allows me to tape conversations over the phone, but
I do realize that not everyone enjoys this form of interaction.  I would
greatly appreciate any assistance with this.  As always I greatly enjoy the
debates that continue on this listserv- very passionate and intelligent
debates- including the most recent one on Sting :-)

Take care everyone
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Stat. Info.

[Robyn Thompson]

Dear 
Tory
It 
would be useful to have a power point presentation so these gentlemen could have 
a visual understanding of what you need.  I am sure the midwives in SA will 
be able to help you set one up, if not get back to me and I maybe able to 
help.
 
regards,  Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Victoria 
  HowellSent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:43 AMTo: 
  MidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Stat. Info.
  Dear OzMidders,
   
  I am a Flinders B-Mid student in Adelaide and 
  next Monday I'm going to talk to my Dad's Rotary group to see if they will 
  sponsor a fellow student with regards to text book costs etc... I will 
  be basically talking to a bunch of older gentlemen who won't know the 
  first thing about midwifery, let alone realise it's importance so I am 
  looking for "dramatic" statistical information to really sell the idea that 
  Australia desperately needs graduating midwives. If anyone knows of a good 
  resource base I could use, could you pass it on to me please? 
   
  Kind regards,
   
  Tory Howell

Re: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS

[Child Birth Information Service]

Hi,
Do you want someone from 23 years ago ? If so.
email Terry at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS


> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there might have some home birth mothers who
> are willing to participate in my research.  I am currently interviewing
> women who give birth through the private system, the public/tertiary led
> system and the public/midwifery led system.  I feel that the women who
seek
> out a home birth experience are needed for this study.  I live in the NSW
> area, but am able to interview face to face in Melbourne as well.  I also
> have a transcriber that allows me to tape conversations over the phone,
but
> I do realize that not everyone enjoys this form of interaction.  I would
> greatly appreciate any assistance with this.  As always I greatly enjoy
the
> debates that continue on this listserv- very passionate and intelligent
> debates- including the most recent one on Sting :-)
>
> Take care everyone
> Alphia
> Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Sociology and Justice Studies
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
>
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[TinaPettigrew]

In a message dated 29/11/02 9:51:41 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


The reality is we will not get the profession together as a whole
I understand many NZ fought and are still not taking the opportunities of the changes there!
As one who has been on state and national ACMI executives even those small gatherings of midwives under specified goals can not be together!!
 

Hi Denise...thanks for your response...I concede you'll never get one hundred percent concensus on any issuebut a sense of collective action and responsibility in the professions and women's best interests is all I think any of us ask for.would you not agree?? I find what you have said really sad and disappointing for midwifery. The lack of unity within the profession as always been my issue with midwives...as a consumer and now a midwife studentI think if you went back through the ozmid archives...the bulk of my postings over the last few years has been either directly or indirectly on this very issue.

...At the B Mid Student Collectivewe have developed a real sense of COLLECTIVE responsibility for our professionyes we are all individuals..each with our own personal aspirations etc...we are a rich and diverse collective of midwife students, aspiring midwives and our supporters...who have different opinions, stands etc...yet what we have aimed to create is that sense of collective responsibilty for who and what we areI sensed along time ago that this is what was needed in midwifery...the need for midwives to look beyond their own little patch...and take in the bigger picturesometimes we need to sacrifice some personal gain for the "greater good"My vision in convening the Collective was to do just thisget us B Midders all talking to each other from the very beginning...discussing things with each other openly and honestlythrashing out our differences...bringing together our commonalitiesbut all within the context of a collective responsibilty t!
!
o the profession of midwifery and the women we serveit is working wonderfully...perhaps other collective members might like to add their perceptionsbut I can see that the new midwife comes to her profession well informed, politicised and has a fundamental belief in Collective action and responsibility not just to herself, the women, but to her profession

I sensed the beginnings of this collective responsibility a while ago...in the basement of the RWH in Melbourne.where midwives and women gathered at a public forum to discuss the development and implementation of the Bachelor Of Midwifery...yes individuals had different personal and profession stances on this issue..but look what progress has been made when a sense of Collective responsibility for the profession is fostered and nuturedthe ACMI B Mid task force is another example of a collective of wonderful midwives, who put aside their personal bias for the "greater good" of the profession...who could see that they had a resoponsibility to ensure that midiwfery education in this country refected both national and international standardscollective action, and a sense of collective responsibility is powerful when it happenswe need to build on all this good work to further develop and see NMAP realised. 

Thats all I was trying to say...

yours in reforming midwifery
Tina Petttigrew.

Bachelor of Midwifery Student
Victoria University

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Laraine Hood]

Dear Pinky, THANKYOU.  I was having a 
miserable start to my day then read your bumper stickers and had a great 
laugh!  I think the lack of oestrogen applied this morning.  Thanks, 
Laraine

  - Original Message - 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:23 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
  for ladies!
  
  
  

  
Enjoy !
Pinky 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies 

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE 
IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
WATER I HAVE 
YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
CAREER SO MANY 
MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I 
KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T 
LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
TIME DO NOT 
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STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
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ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
PEOPLE HOW CAN 
I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
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UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
BODIES And last but not 
least: IF YOU WANT 
BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   

 

  

  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[TinaPettigrew]

In a message dated 28/11/02 9:11:56 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So to those of you who are brave enough to accept the responsibility in order to ensure your "mothers" have the best possible delivery I salute you, and to those who do not yet do this then please consider it as the difference it makes to the midwife/mother trust relationship and therefore labour progress and emotional outcome is very real.

Debby



HI Debby...

thanks for your sharing...your story epitomises what happens when midwives and women trust and honour each other...thank you

yours in reforming midwifery
Tina Pettigrew.

Re: [ozmidwifery] ttfn

[Pinky McKay]

Title: Message



HUG Vicki - have a nice rest.The mothers of the 
world need you to be energised.
Pinky

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vicki Chan 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 1:09 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ttfn
  
  With 
  great reluctance, I am going offline for now (I miss you all already!) I am 
  just so tired at the moment...it's been a big year and being on the computer 
  til 1am and later every night is wearing me down. I need some sleep time and 
  think time about what the next step for me is. (I am trusting that my dear 
  friends amongst you wont leave me in the dark if anything too interesting 
  comes along!!)
  So...ttfn (ta ta for now) Love to you all... 
  Vicki
  

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Pinky McKay]

Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles as 
quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a 
tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression 
of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees 
together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, 
Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' is 
just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it -  
although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some eggs, 
woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to 
either!  
 
'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:23 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
for ladies!



  
  
Enjoy !
  Pinky 
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
   BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
  HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
  BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
  EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN 
  HIGH HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG 
  SHE IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
  WATER I HAVE 
  YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND 
  A CAREER SO 
  MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
  RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
  DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE 
  QUEEN I'M OUT 
  OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN 
  ATTITUDE AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I 
  DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
  TIME DO NOT 
  START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
  WIN ALL 
  STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
  CHOKE I CAN 
  BE ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
  PEOPLE HOW 
  CAN I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
  AWAY? DON'T 
  UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
  BODIES And last but not 
  least: IF YOU WANT 
  BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   
  
   
  

  


  
  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

[Denise Hynd]

What was it Abe Lincoln said you can convince some of the people some of the
time
If we wait to convince others, all  of the justice of our stand and evidence
we will be like my mother winning the lottery!!
Our case deserves as much, more that  researching social inductions or C/s
which is happening and NMAp is not (yet)!
Denise

- Original Message -
From: Malavisi, Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI


> Dear Robyn, I agree with you that all midwives should have access to
> indemnity insurance my reference to "another issue" is more in line that
we
> could be employed today by our various governments and have indemnity
cover
> whereas we all know this is not available privately.  We have literally
> truckloads of evidence that midwife care is the way to go yet we still
have
> this battle to convince our health services that this is the way to go,
the
> unity comes with all of us striving to have this available to all women
> across the country, whilst I feel many on this list are supportive there
are
> many out there who still need convincing, then throw in the politics and
> wow, not saying this is impossible but it's going to take a bit of work to
> get there, regards pete
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robyn Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 02:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI
>
>
> Not sure if I have interpreted what you have said correctly Peter.  Based
on
> my interpretation I offer my response to the extract below.
>
>   I still believe that PI should be available to those who wish
>   to practice privately as well but see that as another issue.
>
> Professional Indemnity should be equally available to all midwives
> regardless of place of practice. How can it be "another issue" when we are
> all governed by the Health Act?  If we maintain this fragmented approach
and
> attitude within our profession we are never likely to be united and grow
as
> a profession.  Midwives need access to all that is necessary to be able to
> give women the type of service they choose. Women who birth at home save
the
> Govt a lot of money, yet they are denied any access to Medicare Rebate
even
> though they pay their annual levy.  Professional equality for all.
>
> Robyn
> www.melbmidwifery.com.au
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malavisi, Pete
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:27 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract
>
>
> I am basically a socialist at heart, so I see Govt employed public system
my
> future, even with all the controls over the years I have managed to have
> many excellent birthing experiences with women and their families,
> inevitably it has meant jumping through some hoops at times but I have
> accepted that as part of the deal, I still believe that PI should be
> available to those who wish to practice privately as well but see that as
> another issue.  If we can be employed by Govt to make NMAP happen then in
> effect we have increased choices for women, the politics and control will
> continue whatever system is chosen. hope this makes sense, feel like I'm
> rambling a bit, yours in midwifery pete malavisi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Denise Hynd]

DEAR TINA
REGARDING YOUR COMMENT
as midwives we must stop declaring ourselves as 
victims of circumstance and become the architects of our own 
transformation.NMAP is a way forward here but the profession as a whole 
needs to demand itnot just the enlighten fewSorry about the 
caps
 
The reality is we will not get the profession 
together as a whole
I understand many NZ fought and are still not 
taking the opportunities of the changes there! As one who has been on state 
and national ACMI executives even those small gatherings of midwives under 
specified goals  can not be together!!
 
it is up to those of us who believe in NMAP (for 
example) to act and act effectively to bring it to fruition and as in NZ it 
needs to be in collaboration with consumers in the political 
arena!denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:57 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's 
  response to Denise
  In a message dated 27/11/02 10:53:05 PM AUS Eastern 
  Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Dear TinaHow wonderful and honest you are.  I think the most 
difficult thing for midwives who work in this model is the inability to have 
autonomy as we know it because of perpetuation of a model using fear as the 
major component.  The biggest issue is really the education 
process.  Most of our colleagues who work within this and similar 
models do not really have the opportunity to work with women as we know they 
can.Denise 
  wroteOver all what I am getting at is I feel the imperative is to 
  change the experience for midwives, the circumstances under which at least 
  some midwives practice. All of us need to  demand the recognition of 
  continuity of carer midwiferyrather than accept what is offered as only 
  possible!There are many precedents outside of nursing models and 
  awardsHello Robyn and Deniseyes your both absolutely 
  rightsometimes I forget that I come from a different placewhen you 
  have always worked 'with woman' in a holistic way...without the fear 
  factor...coming to birth and working with women from that place of trust and 
  honesty...building that relationship over months and months.I haven't 
  really done it any other way...you do forget that this is not where the 
  majority of the midwifery world comes from and I must admit to being a little 
  blinkered in that sense...Both of you have touched on the education 
  factor and experiences for midwives...I agree Robyn...if every midwife student 
  could experience birth outside the systemit would drastically change the 
  way they view birth and midwifery and build that trust and 
  confidenceDeniseyes we have had tertiary education for some time 
  nowprior to beginning the B Mid I use to get the opportunity to go and 
  speak with under graduate nursing students and post grad midwife students 
  about CBE and birth etc...and many many of them always spoke of their 
  frustration and confusion with what they were taught in theory and what 
  actually happens in practicethe two rarely matched. Sometimes the 
  education students receive can powerfully reinforce the medical model too, I 
  have experienced this myself.our educators must come from that continuity 
  philosophy inorder to inspire studentsnot just in a theoretical sense 
  either...as students we knowit is so easy to tell which educators have 
  worked in a continuity model and which ones have nottheory is all well and 
  goodbut the lived experiences do enhance the educators role 
  :-))Marilyns suggestion of role models I think is really wonderful...I 
  think we all touched on this in the discussion about working in caseload 
  modelsits much easier to encourage midwives to look outside the square if 
  they can see that those that do can survive...women love it etcThe 
  medical model is very powerfulI grant that...and I credit the many 
  midwives who work within its constraints on a daily basis...there's nothing 
  like the systematic cattle yard approach to care still very prevalent in our 
  maternity care models...to stifle one's "creativity"but I am a firm 
  believer that if midwives banded together as a united front with their 
  greatest allies womenwe could make real changes...the lack of unity by 
  many midwives I witnessed in Brisbane last year for their profession when the 
  ACMI put an insurance offer on the table was a very sad day in Australia's 
  midwifery 'herstory'as midwives we must stop declaring ourselves as 
  victims of circumstance and become the architects of our own 
  transformation.NMAP is a way forward here but the profession as a whole 
  needs to demand itnot just the enlighten fewYours in reforming 
  midwiferyTina PettigrewBachelor Midwifery StudentVictoria 
  University

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Denise Hynd]

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:23 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
  for ladies!
  
  
  

  
Enjoy !
Pinky 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies 

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE 
IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
WATER I HAVE 
YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
CAREER SO MANY 
MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I 
KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T 
LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
TIME DO NOT 
START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
WIN ALL 
STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
CHOKE I CAN BE 
ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
PEOPLE HOW CAN 
I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
AWAY? DON'T 
UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
BODIES And last but not 
least: IF YOU WANT 
BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   

 

  

  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Denise Hynd]

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Sonja </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wonder where you are?</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also&nbsp;find this and other hospital staff 

behaviours interesting!</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having been in education for quite a few years I 

have not worn a uniform in the clinical area for a decade and I ensure people 

know my name status and what i can do for them regardless of what I 

wear.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wish i could say I have expereinced the same from 

nurses and midwives every where?<BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In WA it confounded me how many nurses, midwives in 

hospitals were reluctant to get out of (ugly) white uniforms when they had, have 

the opportunity and into slacks with coloured blouses!<BR>Here in Sydney 

everyone wears the same uniform slacks/skirts and coloured top so you can not 

tell who is an EN, RN or midwife!<BR>There is a slight variation with that worn 

by non nursing staff which to the uninitiated is not obvious which I find 

interesting!<BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also many midwives here have name badges which only 

say RN and many write in the notes under the handwritten sub heading of 

"Nursing".</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Others do not correct people when addressed as 

nurses or take umbridge when I point out I am a midwife to some one who 

addresses me as Nurse??<BR>Are these Freudian slips??<BR>Personally I think most 

fail Communication 101!<BR>Denise</FONT></DIV>

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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>

  <DIV 

  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 

  <A href="mailto:bazson@ozemail.com.au" title=bazson@ozemail.com.au>Barry 

  MacGregor</A> </DIV>

  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 

  href="mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au" 

  title=ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au</A> </DIV>

  <DIV sty

Re: [ozmidwifery] Stat. Info.

[Denise Hynd]

Dear tory 
Have you read the NMAP document particularly in 
regard to 1-on1 midwifery care benefits!
Consumers want it!!
Look at NZ, Netherlands etc compared to 
Australia
Go to www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Victoria 
  Howell 
  To: Midwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:43 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stat. Info.
  
  Dear OzMidders,
   
  I am a Flinders B-Mid student in Adelaide and 
  next Monday I'm going to talk to my Dad's Rotary group to see if they will 
  sponsor a fellow student with regards to text book costs etc... I will 
  be basically talking to a bunch of older gentlemen who won't know the 
  first thing about midwifery, let alone realise it's importance so I am 
  looking for "dramatic" statistical information to really sell the idea that 
  Australia desperately needs graduating midwives. If anyone knows of a good 
  resource base I could use, could you pass it on to me please? 
   
  Kind regards,
   
  Tory Howell

[ozmidwifery] epidurals vs midwifery support

[Kirsten Blacker]

Hi all
Before I left Perth in 2001 there was a trial going on at KEMH comparing
early epidural v continuous midwifery support in labour. Had some catchy
name which of course COMPLETELY evades me at the moment. Did the results
ever get published? A colleague in the UK was asking

Kirsten
still stuck in Minnesota where it is TURKEY DAY so we are going out to eat
ourselves silly in good North American fashion

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[ozmidwifery] ttfn

[Vicki Chan]

Title: Message



With 
great reluctance, I am going offline for now (I miss you all already!) I am just 
so tired at the moment...it's been a big year and being on the computer til 1am 
and later every night is wearing me down. I need some sleep time and think time 
about what the next step for me is. (I am trusting that my dear friends amongst 
you wont leave me in the dark if anything too interesting comes 
along!!)
So...ttfn (ta ta for now) Love to you all... 
Vicki

  
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

[Malavisi, Pete]

Dear Robyn, I agree with you that all midwives should have access to
indemnity insurance my reference to "another issue" is more in line that we
could be employed today by our various governments and have indemnity cover
whereas we all know this is not available privately.  We have literally
truckloads of evidence that midwife care is the way to go yet we still have
this battle to convince our health services that this is the way to go,  the
unity comes with all of us striving to have this available to all women
across the country, whilst I feel many on this list are supportive there are
many out there who still need convincing, then throw in the politics and
wow, not saying this is impossible but it's going to take a bit of work to
get there, regards pete

-Original Message-
From: Robyn Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 02:44
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI


Not sure if I have interpreted what you have said correctly Peter.  Based on
my interpretation I offer my response to the extract below.

  I still believe that PI should be available to those who wish
  to practice privately as well but see that as another issue.

Professional Indemnity should be equally available to all midwives
regardless of place of practice. How can it be "another issue" when we are
all governed by the Health Act?  If we maintain this fragmented approach and
attitude within our profession we are never likely to be united and grow as
a profession.  Midwives need access to all that is necessary to be able to
give women the type of service they choose. Women who birth at home save the
Govt a lot of money, yet they are denied any access to Medicare Rebate even
though they pay their annual levy.  Professional equality for all.

Robyn
www.melbmidwifery.com.au




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malavisi, Pete
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract


I am basically a socialist at heart, so I see Govt employed public system my
future, even with all the controls over the years I have managed to have
many excellent birthing experiences with women and their families,
inevitably it has meant jumping through some hoops at times but I have
accepted that as part of the deal, I still believe that PI should be
available to those who wish to practice privately as well but see that as
another issue.  If we can be employed by Govt to make NMAP happen then in
effect we have increased choices for women, the politics and control will
continue whatever system is chosen. hope this makes sense, feel like I'm
rambling a bit, yours in midwifery pete malavisi







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[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Pinky McKay]

  
  

  Enjoy !
  Pinky 
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
   BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
  HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M BECOMING 
  THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
  EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
  HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE IS 
  UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
  WATER I HAVE YET 
  TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
  CAREER SO MANY 
  MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
  RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
  DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
  GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I KNOW 
  HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
  TIME DO NOT START 
  WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT WIN ALL STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
  CHOKE I CAN BE 
  ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
  PEOPLE HOW CAN I 
  MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO AWAY? DON'T UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
  BODIES And last but not 
  least: IF YOU WANT 
  BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   
  
   
  

  


  
  
  

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Sally Westbury]

“as midwives we must stop declaring ourselves as victims of
circumstance and become the architects of our own transformation”  Tina Pettigrew

 

I believe that this is the key for any
hope in implementing NMAP.  Until we
see how we could be as midwives, autonomous respected professionals, NMAP won’t
happen. 

 

We must stand together as midwives and
support each midwife in her chosen place so that women can then find the ‘safe’
place for each individual to birth in. Safe in that the woman will feel safe to
birth in her own power.

 

Unfortunately the ACMI was not able to
draw the unifying energy together last year this was tragic. 

 

Sally Westbury

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS

[Jayne]

Hi Alphia,

I'm a homebirther just out of Melbourne.  Could possibly get to Melbourne
for an interview or telephone would be okay.

My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message -
From: Alphia Garrety <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS


> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there might have some home birth mothers who
> are willing to participate in my research.  I am currently interviewing
> women who give birth through the private system, the public/tertiary led
> system and the public/midwifery led system.  I feel that the women who
seek
> out a home birth experience are needed for this study.  I live in the NSW
> area, but am able to interview face to face in Melbourne as well.  I also
> have a transcriber that allows me to tape conversations over the phone,
but
> I do realize that not everyone enjoys this form of interaction.  I would
> greatly appreciate any assistance with this.  As always I greatly enjoy
the
> debates that continue on this listserv- very passionate and intelligent
> debates- including the most recent one on Sting :-)
>
> Take care everyone
> Alphia
> Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Sociology and Justice Studies
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
>
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
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[ozmidwifery] childcare in hospitals

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

Judy said:
. I am not sure where the administrators learn their job but they do not 
seem to see that as a useful tool to staff the institutions. 
 
It is because the admins are probably 
men! 
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Tina's response to Denise

[Debby M]

From a consumer point of view - I was very fortuneate when I had my birth centre birth recently to have a midwife who had no qualms in accepting what I wanted for my delivery despite the fact that it was totally against a number of the hospital's standard policies for VBAC women.  I laboured without continuous monitoring or a drip, without a supervising obstetrician and had a waterbirth.  When I was admitted she did not inform the registrar of my arrival (another standard protocol for VBACs) as she felt it more important to be with me during my perfectly normal and fast progressing labour rather than running off to find some doctor - and I thank her for it.  
We had discussed responsibility during one of my antenatal visits and I advised her that I knew what I wanted, had read the medical risks and benefits and it was my choice.  I wanted her to support me in these informed choices and indicated that I felt responsible for my choices.  She consequently also accepted these responsibilities in relation to how they interacted with the hospital policy.
The outcome for me was a stress free birth as I did not have to argue with anyone and because I had a midwife who I knew would always be there for me (not for some doctor or hospital policy) and therefore this trust meant that if she had suggested something that was outside of our birthplan I felt confident it would only be undertaken if absolutely medically necessary.
So to those of you who are brave enough to accept the responsibility in order to ensure your "mothers" have the best possible delivery I salute you, and to those who do not yet do this then please consider it as the difference it makes to the midwife/mother trust relationship and therefore labour progress and emotional outcome is very real.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: whenever you're ready, little one......

[Sally Westbury]

I waited 22 days for Cormac
to decide he was ready to be born

 

Sally