Re: [ozmidwifery] Doppler anyone....?

[Kirsten Wohlt]

Well picked up Abby!  That would certainly have been me.  I'm a neurotic mess when I'm 
pregnant at the best of times, without having that extra worry!  That's what I love 
about this group.  You see things in a way I never would have thought of.  Education 
by email - love it.

Thanks!

Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: What the Pollies are offering Midwifery? and women

[Elissa and David]

The Families First Party , despite their denials ,has a very strong
connection to the Assemblies of God church for those who like a strong
religous/moral element to their politics . Interesting quote from one of
their candidates -

"Mr Nalliah, who heads the Catch the Fire Ministries, is on the Family First
Senate ticket in Victoria.
In a recent "Rise up Australia" call-to-prayer pamphlet, Mr Nalliah told
followers to ask the Lord to give them insights.
"Spot Satan's strongholds in the areas you are living in (brothels, gambling
places, bottle shops, mosque, temples-Freemason/Buddhist/ Hindu etc,
witchcraft)," the leaflet says.
(full story at
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10961079%255E36275,00.html )
.Though in their defence they did discipline their worker who said lesbians
were "witches who should be burned at the stake". Though they will direct
preferences away from lesbian candidates (
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10976892%255E1702,00.html )
.

Though their policies on their website are suitably bland and non-specific
on these and other topics and they have as their party leader Andrea Mason ,
the first Aborigine to lead a political party . Wolf in sheeps' clothing ?

Cheers,
David
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Hastie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "OzMid List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MC Committee"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MC NSW Branch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nat
exec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: What the Pollies are offering Midwifery? and
women


> Thanks for the run down Justine, you are AMAZING!
>
> I feel a need to add some comments to what you mentioned in regard to the
> Australian Democrats and our activities.
>
> In terms of the Dems, we have been very active for ages with support of
NMAP
> and  insurance issues for midwives, for example, you may like to look at:
>
>
http://campaign.democrats.org.au/issuesheets/140-HEALTH%20Womens%20Health.pd
> f
>
> and if you check the speeches (both state and federal) you will find
plenty
> of evidence of that ongoing commitment to these vital issues for women and
> midwives, not the mention the families.
>
> And, yes, Families First is preferenced well down the list on the Dem's
> Senate ticket, after groups such as Australian Progressive Alliance and Ex
> Service, Service and Veteran's party and if you check Families First
> preference list, liberal's are way down the list on their HTV's. Dems
prefer
> people to do their own preferences, but for those who want a how to vote
> card, or want to vote above the line in the Senate, the Dems like to
> preference smaller parties with no immediate tie to either of the two
major
> parties.
>
> I'm not so sure what those parties the Greens have preferenced such as The
> Socialist Alliance, the Help End Marijuana Prohibition party; Save the ADI
> Site party; the Progressive Labour Party and the Nuclear Disarmament Party
> have done with maternity service reform either.
>
> with respect and in solidarity,
>
> Carolyn Hastie
> Democrat Candidate for Dobell (and clearly biased) :-)
> I LOVE the strong commitment to a fair and just society the Dems have. And
> yes, the strength in the Senate of the independant Dem voice. For those
> willing to explore, have a look at the Dems website
> http://campaign.democrats.org.au/index.asp
>
> And remember, you can vote I Democrats or Green and then put your own
> preference next, that way, a strong message is sent to whoever gets into
> government and also ensures a strong Senate and make your vote really
count.
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Doppler anyone....?

[Abby and Toby]

>>So imagine the excitement, joy and peace of mind you 
could get frombeing able to hear 
your baby's heartbeat and movements. 
OR the 
terror and anxiousness from not being able to accurately find the heartbeat, or 
worry from an irregular or slow heartbeat!!and then the extra drs 
visits and ultrasounds to make sure baby is okay.
 
Love 
Abby

[ozmidwifery] Doppler anyone....?

[Julie Garratt]

 

 

 

This is from an advertisement at this Australian site
http://www.firstbeats.com.au/index3.html
where anyone can hire or buy a
Doppler!  I always thought that they were a
bit dangerous so I'm amazed
that it's ok for anyone to own them. Sad that women have so little faith in
their bodies ):

 
It says..."Your Pregnant, "But like most
mums-to-be, it's understandable
that you may still be very nervous.
So imagine the excitement, joy and peace of mind
you could get from
being able to hear your baby's heartbeat and
movements.
Well now you can by renting or buying a First
Beats Fetal Heart Doppler.
Just like the ones used by your doctor or midwife,
it allows you to
monitor your baby's heartbeat at home or when
you're out.
Dopplers are safe and simple to use, and can pick
up your baby's
heartbeat from as early as 10 to 12 weeks into your pregnancy."
 
Cheers, Julie Garratt BMid Flinders.



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RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: FOR INFO: primary accouchuer

[gresch]

Hi all,
thanks for passing this on and making sense of it, at least I understand it better.
cheers
Megan
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dr Barbara Vernon
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 5:04 PM
To: ozmidwifery (ozmidwifery)
Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: FOR INFO: primary accouchuer (aka catching or delivering 
the baby)


Dear ozmidders,

 

Pls see below for an email from Nicky Leap, as Convenor of the ACMI National Education 
and Standards Taskforce, regarding the issue of which births can be counted under the 
National BMid education standards….

 

Dr Barbara Vernon

Executive Officer

Australian College of Midwives

Ph +61 2 6230 2107

Mob 0438 855 529

 

'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations'

27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives

Brisbane Convention Centre, 24-28 July 2005

www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml

 

Nikcy Leap wrote:…..

Dear ozmidders,

 

I’d like to respond to Megan’s very reasonable comments that women should decide who 
'catches' the baby and can catch their own babies. 

 

I understand some midwifery educators and regulators are saying that these births 
cannot be counted by Bachelor of Midwifery student towards the 40 births they have to 
be present at as the primary care provider (with supervision). 

 

This is not the case. 

 

Students should be encouraged to enable situations where women make these choices and 
where they sit back and marvel. And of course they are able to count a birth where the 
woman - or her partner, mother, sister, friend, whoever  - catches the baby. 

 

This is not about so called skills in catching babies. It is about the student being 
the primary birth attendant (with supervision) at 40 normal births - in order to get 
enough experience of normal birth. People continue to misinterpret this. 

 

Another one is asking if the student can count vacuum/forceps if she's been with the 
woman throughout labour. The answer is that the doctor is the primary attendant at 
instrumental births and although there is often valuable learning in being with women 
who need this kind of help - we need to explain that we want our students to have 
enough experience of being with women who give birth without any medical intervention. 

 

If any of the women who the student is counting in her 30 'follow throughs' has a 
normal birth then these count towards the 40 - another thing that some people don't 
seem to understand. 

 

I am not unsympathetic about how difficult it is in the current climate for students 
to reach these standards.  The challenge is for educators to support students and 
provide or facilitate students having access to sufficient numbers of women to have a 
solid grounding in normal birth by the time they graduate as midwives.  It is only by 
maintaining the standards published by the College in 2002 that that Australian 
Bachelor of Midwifery education in Australia will remain internationally comparable.  

 

Regards,

Nicky Leap

Convenor, ANEST


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[Sally Westbury]

Susan Weed in her book recommends that rather than take castor oil
internally the women could rub it on her tummy and then put a hot towel
over the castor oil. 

Sally Westbury
Homebirth Midwife
 
"It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging
authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes
courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for
and empower her."-Judy Slome Cohain

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 6:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

>>From there you can go to acupressure points and
acupuncture.Then herbs and lastly castor oil. You can find recipes for
these
on various web sites.
> marilyn

Thanks Marilyn. Suggested all those earlier today just didn't want to
miss
any if there was extras. www.gentlebirth.org ( i think) have a great
section
on natural induction methods, I always back up my suggestions with links
to
sites, books etc.

>From communicating more, she seems to have been "told" she was having
the
stretch and sweepaauugghh!! She knows that her and bubs are okay
and
she knows all the options..I kinda wish I had been there to hear
what
had been said to her.

We have spent a fair bit of time talking about options as induction was
bought up a while ago. It is so hard to go against what the docs are
saying,
especially in those last weeks when some women are really keen to meet
their
baby. Hopefully it won't come to that date and things will get started
before then.

thanks
Love Abby
( P.S. Wondering if it is normal to spot after a "stretch and sweep"?
She
was incredibly shaken for quite a while after it and has started
spotting.)



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[JoFromOz]

Abby and Toby wrote:
thanks
Love Abby
( P.S. Wondering if it is normal to spot after a "stretch and sweep"? She
was incredibly shaken for quite a while after it and has started spotting.)
 

Abby, as a stretch and sweep is pretty much forcibly separating the 
cervix from the membranes, so some blood vessels may be damaged.  Even 
when the  cervix starts to dilate, some blood may be present for the 
same reason.  Spotting, especially mucusy (show) after a stretch and 
sweep is most common.  We often get a lot of '39 weekers' calling us in 
the birth suite saying they're bleeding... we ask them several questions 
(colour, consistency, mucusy, etc) and work out that they have had an 
'internal' at their antenatal appointment either that day, or the day 
before.  It sickens me.  There seems to be no informed consent, and 
certainly no explanation about the fact that they may have some bloody 
PV loss...  Gack.

Love Jo
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[ozmidwifery] RE: What the Pollies are offering Midwifery? and women

[Carolyn Hastie]

Thanks for the run down Justine, you are AMAZING!

I feel a need to add some comments to what you mentioned in regard to the
Australian Democrats and our activities.

In terms of the Dems, we have been very active for ages with support of NMAP
and  insurance issues for midwives, for example, you may like to look at:

http://campaign.democrats.org.au/issuesheets/140-HEALTH%20Womens%20Health.pd
f

and if you check the speeches (both state and federal) you will find plenty
of evidence of that ongoing commitment to these vital issues for women and
midwives, not the mention the families.

And, yes, Families First is preferenced well down the list on the Dem's
Senate ticket, after groups such as Australian Progressive Alliance and Ex
Service, Service and Veteran's party and if you check Families First
preference list, liberal's are way down the list on their HTV's. Dems prefer
people to do their own preferences, but for those who want a how to vote
card, or want to vote above the line in the Senate, the Dems like to
preference smaller parties with no immediate tie to either of the two major
parties.

I'm not so sure what those parties the Greens have preferenced such as The
Socialist Alliance, the Help End Marijuana Prohibition party; Save the ADI
Site party; the Progressive Labour Party and the Nuclear Disarmament Party
have done with maternity service reform either.

with respect and in solidarity,

Carolyn Hastie
Democrat Candidate for Dobell (and clearly biased) :-)
I LOVE the strong commitment to a fair and just society the Dems have. And
yes, the strength in the Senate of the independant Dem voice. For those
willing to explore, have a look at the Dems website
http://campaign.democrats.org.au/index.asp

And remember, you can vote I Democrats or Green and then put your own
preference next, that way, a strong message is sent to whoever gets into
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes



Hi All

Homebirth UK list raves about pineapple, no personal experience.

Quaffing Raspberry leaf tea (blackmores makes the tablets) is reported good

I have personally used the essential oil, Clary Sage.  To my mind it WORKS!

With number 3 when I had niggles (he was due) I lit an oil burner and kept it close by, soon after contractions were rocking.  Similar experience with number 4.

You can also massage it within a carrier oil (almond is great) on the abdomen.

A good dose of acupuncture could also help

JC

Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[Jennifer Price]

I 
have had some success with information accessed throught another discussion group and they suggested raw pineapple as it has an enzyme that affects the 
cervix effacing and also is better tasting than castor oil and works it seems 
just as well for some people.. hope this also helps but sorry have no evidence 
based resource for this yet..has anyone else used this cheers Jenni

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[ozmidwifery] What the Pollies are offering Midwifery?

[Justine Caines]

Title: What the Pollies are offering Midwifery?



Hi All

While I am very aware that there is a lot more in life than midwifery (however my life is a little full of it!!)

I thought I would outline what the parties have offered midwifery over the last 3 years.

Considering I have met with representatives from all parties.

Coalition – Liberal Party/ National Party

In the election commitment frenzy the Coalition has offered nothing to provide women with choice in maternity care or even a service as it is in rural areas.  Health Minister Tony Abbott has made no statement despite several approaches. He has however in recent months established the Medicare Safety Net package and included a special meeting with Obstetricians that resulted in Obstetricians being able to include out of hospital payments into the safety net.  

The estimated blow out to the taxpayer for this activity is around $200 Million.  The Tax payer have also funded a portion of medicos indemnity at a cost of $560 Million. They have not responded to evidence that Obstetricians are double dipping claiming up front insurance fees from women while being funded by the taxpayer

The National Party has not responded to a number of urgent calls to address the maternity crisis in rural areas.  National Party Leader, John Anderson has been briefed but since July has not responded to correspondence by Maternity Coalition.

The Labor Party

After a rocky start and the brush off in early 2004, Shadow Health Minister, Julia Gillard has acknowledged that maternity services are in need of urgent reform (particularly because Maternity Coalition activists from across the country told her at every opportunity!)

In our August meeting she made a commitment to include maternity services in Labors health reform agenda, and today has committed to examining  professional indemnity for independent midwives.  The closest we have ever been!

The Greens

In 2002 The Greens endorsed the National Maternity Action Plan as national Green’s policy.
As part of their health policy they have stated they will implement NMAP and cite that savings would be expected with its implementation.  Although we know they will not be in power, a strong Green voice in the senate could influence the policy of Government, particularly a Labor Gov.

The Democrats

The Democrats have been supportive of the work of MC and NMAP.  Of particular interest, however is that the Democrats have preferenced the new Family First party (ultra conservative and an unknown quantity for maternity services reform).  It would seem that a vote for the Democrats in the Senate under this preference arrangement could be a vote for Howard.

You can see for yourself how Senate preferences have been allocated at:
http://www.aec.gov.au/election2004/candidates/index.htm

In Solidarity

Justine

Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[Abby and Toby]

>>From there you can go to acupressure points and
acupuncture.Then herbs and lastly castor oil. You can find recipes for these
on various web sites.
> marilyn

Thanks Marilyn. Suggested all those earlier today just didn't want to miss
any if there was extras. www.gentlebirth.org ( i think) have a great section
on natural induction methods, I always back up my suggestions with links to
sites, books etc.

>From communicating more, she seems to have been "told" she was having the
stretch and sweepaauugghh!! She knows that her and bubs are okay and
she knows all the options..I kinda wish I had been there to hear what
had been said to her.

We have spent a fair bit of time talking about options as induction was
bought up a while ago. It is so hard to go against what the docs are saying,
especially in those last weeks when some women are really keen to meet their
baby. Hopefully it won't come to that date and things will get started
before then.

thanks
Love Abby
( P.S. Wondering if it is normal to spot after a "stretch and sweep"? She
was incredibly shaken for quite a while after it and has started spotting.)



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Mackay Birth Centre student placements

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Maybe you could offer grad midwife positions so 
that they are on the payroll and hence covered by insurance. What a 
shame.
 
marilyn

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  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:42 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mackay Birth 
  Centre student placements
  
  Thanks to those who reponded. We have since discovered the 
  reason no students are getting through to us is that our health service is 
  worried about insurance and wont have suppernumery students. 
  We are extremely disappointed with this decision. We are a 
  group of midwives wanting to share our experience and keen for student 
  midwives to experience a midwifery model.
  With a shortage of midwives one would think the health 
  services would be keen to have help educate students!!!
  Those still interested let us know and we'll contact you if 
  the situation changes.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Abby:

If the doc was able to do a "stretch and sweep" then he was able to reach
her cervix, and some dilation had occurred as he was able to put his finger
inside the cervical os and then "sweep" between the cervix and membranes
probably doing some cervical stretching as well. Theoretically supposed to
stimulate natural prostaglandin production and maybe get labour started
without ARM. Ditto to all Leanne said re ARM.

The most natural methods of labour stimulation are orgasmic sex followed
closely by significant nipple stimulation: semen will provide the
prostaglandins and oxytocin surges the natural stim to at least prime the
uterus for labour. Failing both of these lots of loving touch ( oxytocin is
the "love hormone"). From there you can go to acupressure points and
acupuncture.Then herbs and lastly castor oil. You can find recipes for these
on various web sites.

marilyn
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From: "leanne wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes


> Hi Abby,
> If your client wants a normal birth she should avoid an induction unless
it
> is medically indicated, not just because she is a couple of days past her
> due date.
> The theory behind an artificial rupture of membranes is that once the
> forewaters are gone, which had been cushioning the baby's head from coming
> down firmly on the cervix, the pressure from the foetal head can stimulate
> contractions.
> Of course, once the membranes are ruptured the doctors will put a time
limit
> on how long they will wait before starting a syntocinon infusion to also
> start contractions. Prostaglandin tends to be used if the cervix is very
> unfavourable for induction ie too closed or posteriior to perform an ARM.
> Hope this clarifies things somewhat for you.
> Leanne.
>
>
> >From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes
> >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:02:53 +1000
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've got a question about hospitals inducing etc. I have a client going
to
> >St George public and her EDD was the 5th, mum and bubs are doing
> >wonderfully, heads 3/5 engaged, heart rate fine etc.
> >
> >Went to see doc today who "swept" and "stretched", clients words, that
was
> >"OMG that was painful", male doc. She's booked in for AROM on the 18th.
> >After recent discussions about AROM, I am just wondering why anyone would
> >suggest this? I thought first course of hospital action was prostagladin?
> >What is the thinking behind trying to get labour started with AROM? From
> >what I understand, a lot of you believe it is sometimes beneficial in
> >second
> >stage, so why would anyone think it was good for getting things started?
> >
> >Of course you all know how I feel about any of that, lol! But my job is
to
> >be there and support my client in whatever she chooses so, I've got a few
> >ideas of "natural" induction techniques does anyone else want to share
some
> >too? My client is really keen for a natural birth with minimal
> >interventions, she had a very traumatic experience last time (her words).
> >She has read some great books and I am not really sure why she is just
> >going
> >along with what is happening but I want to give her some good natural
> >options.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Love Abby
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] ICM conference dates?

[Ann Grieve]

The dates for the 27th ICM Congress in Brisbane 2005 are 24th to 28th
July.
More information can be obtained from the Congress website -
www.midwives2005.com

Ann Grieve
ACMI/ICM 2005 Ltd

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[ozmidwifery] RE: FOR INFO: primary accouchuer (aka catching or delivering the baby)

[Dr Barbara Vernon]

Dear ozmidders,

 

Pls see below for an email from Nicky
Leap, as Convenor of the ACMI National Education and Standards Taskforce,
regarding the issue of which births can be counted under the National BMid education
standards….

 



Dr Barbara Vernon

Executive Officer

Australian College of Midwives

Ph +61 2 6230 2107

Mob 0438 855 529

 

'Midwifery:
Pathways to Healthy Nations'

27th
Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives

Brisbane Convention Centre, 24-28 July 2005

www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml



 

Nikcy Leap
wrote:…..

Dear ozmidders,

 

I’d like to respond to
Megan’s very reasonable comments that women should decide who 'catches'
the baby and can catch their own babies. 

 

I understand some midwifery
educators and regulators are saying that these births cannot be counted by Bachelor
of Midwifery student towards the 40 births they have to be present at as the
primary care provider (with supervision). 

 

This is not the case. 

 

Students should be
encouraged to enable situations where women make these choices and where they
sit back and marvel. And of course they are able to count a birth where the
woman - or her partner, mother, sister, friend, whoever  - catches the
baby. 

 

This is not about so called
skills in catching babies. It is about the student being the primary birth
attendant (with supervision) at 40 normal births - in order to get enough
experience of normal birth. People continue to misinterpret this. 

 

Another one is asking if the
student can count vacuum/forceps if she's been with the woman throughout
labour. The answer is that the doctor is the primary attendant at instrumental
births and although there is often valuable learning in being with women who
need this kind of help - we need to explain that we want our students to have
enough experience of being with women who give birth without any medical
intervention. 

 

If any of the women who the
student is counting in her 30 'follow throughs' has a normal birth then these
count towards the 40 - another thing that some people don't seem to understand.


 

I am not unsympathetic about
how difficult it is in the current climate for students to reach these
standards.  The challenge is for educators to support students and provide
or facilitate students having access to sufficient numbers of women to have a
solid grounding in normal birth by the time they graduate as midwives.  It
is only by maintaining the standards published by the College in 2002 that that
Australian Bachelor of Midwifery education in Australia will remain
internationally comparable.  

 

Regards,

Nicky Leap

Convenor, ANEST

 

From: Trish
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 6
October 2004 10:26:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] primary accouchuer (aka catching or delivering the baby)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unfortunately, ACMI Guidelines and now the various Nurses Boards who have
adopted them don't see it this way. Previously in Victoria it seemed ok to be the person
having the responsibility for oversight of the labour and after care, even if
the birth ended in a last minute instrumental birth, and it can still be
interpreted this way for Grad Dip Mid but none of us would, so BMid students are
definitely
being held to a different standard. But you make a valid point, Megan, and you
could write to ANEST at ACMI or the Nurses Board in your state. Trish

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can I comment from Jen's earlier email, particularly "ACMI requirement
is that we are the primary accouchuer (aka catching or delivering the baby) for
40 non-instrumental births".

I am really troubled with this requirement. I understand the idea behind it but
shouldn't the birthing woman decide who catches her baby.
I have caught three of my babies, all water births at home and passionately
defend my right to. With my last birth we were joined by a 3rd year BMid and I
remember her asking about who would catch the baby, later it occured to me that
she might not be able to "tick me off" her list of 40 catches as I
was to catch my baby. My Ind Midwife didn't catch them either, but she was
still the primary care giver.
I would like to see a change of thinking on this requirement, I see it as
disrespectful to the birthing woman and the role Midives have in birth.
Feeling your own cervix dilate is amazing, but catching your own baby is bloody
awsome!

whats the discussion on this at the Uni's and ACMI?

cheers
Megan

PS I am happy to put this in writing to the appropriate people (?) to give food
for thought.

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[ozmidwifery] Re: ICM conference dates?

[Larissa Inns]

Hi Tania!
It's July 24-28, 2005, check out the website at http://www.midwives2005.com
Hugs,Larissa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tania Smallwood 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:23 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ICM conference 
  dates?
  
  Does anyone know exactly what dates are for the ICM 
  conference in Brisbane next year?
   
  Thanks
   
  Tania

[ozmidwifery] ICM conference dates?

[Tania Smallwood]

Does anyone know exactly what dates are for the ICM conference 
in Brisbane next year?
 
Thanks
 
Tania