Re: [ozmidwifery] Telemetric (addit)

[Michelle Windsor]

Of course the down side is the cost about $17000 I think!Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






 
You'll have to excuse my ignorance butt.. what is a telemetric CTG compared to the standard contraption?
 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Date: 02/12/05 15:39:09
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
well, ours doesn't which I think is a shame, so that's why I am asking.
 
marilyn
- Original Message -
From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
 
> most  hospitals have the telemetric  ctg available it is just the staff
> which dont tend to use this as it can be a bit fiddly.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
>
>
> > Just a question of interest: how common are telemetric ctg's here in
> > Australia??
> >
> > marilyn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >
> >
> >> Kirsten as a newly qualified midwife who has supported women during
birth
> >> when a student I wish you luck. You need to be very strong for both the
> >> woman and her partner in what she wants to get out of her birth. I
> >> suggest
> >> that when you are with the woman and her partner during the birth you
act
> > as
> >> her advocate and speak up for her but at the same time ensure that both
> > the
> >> wom,an and the unborn baby are not in any danger from what you are
> >> suggesting. A woman will adopt a position which she feels comfortable
and
> >> safe in. There are ways around monitoring such as intermittent
monitoring
> > of
> >> the fetus using Doppler or using the telemetric ctg instead of forcing
> >> the
> >> woman to lay on the bed. Good luck with your role as support person.
You
> >> could try reading some of the birthing books that women read to find
out
> >> positions act or speak to the midwives at the clinic when you attend
with
> >> the woman  they are a invaluable source of information.
> >>
> >> Enjoy  your time as a student
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:17 AM
> >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As a 2nd year BMid student with very limited experience of being
present
> > at
> >> births, I wonder if I may ask for some tips on how to support women in
> >> labour. I have attended only 3 births, and have contributed to some
> >> degree
> >> by being there to hold a woman's hand or bring her ice or a cool cloth,
> >> or
> >> speak an encouraging word - very much been working on the 'less is
more'
> >> basis and being a quiet support presence.  I have one woman now who is
> >> planning a VBAC and has some specific requests regarding my support
role,
> >> but I don't know where to start, and I don't want to go in there
feeling
> >> nervous and tense!  Her first birth was long and painful, ending in an
> >> emergency c-section following a 'failed' induction. She remembers
> >> essentially lying in the bed the whole time, not walking around, and
> > having
> >> several doses of pethadine.  This time she wants to stay active and
> > upright
> >> and would rather have limited/no drugs.  She says that she knows she
will
> >> not want to walk once she is in labour and wants her husband and I to
be
> >> strong and 'make' her.  She also wants me to think about ways to
> >> encourage
> >> her, or positions that may help.  I don't have any idea how to
> >> start...any
> >> pointers?  Articles, texts, experience?  I will do web research and
look
> >> through my uni texts, but I know there will be an awful lot out there -
> > some
> >> pointers which will help refine the search would be really appreciated.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Telemetric?

[Michelle Windsor]

Á telemetric CTG is a cordless CTG.  Mt Isa (Qld) had one (in 2000) and used it.  More recently when I worked in Hobart in a private hospital, they had one.  If you really have to have a CTG on, then these are way ahead of the tradition CTG.  It allows the women to be mobile and the one in Hobart was water proof as well so they were able to use the shower and bath with it on.  It had excellent reception - the birth suites were on the 3rd floor of the hospital and the CTG could still be picked up on the ground floor. I think they're actually safer in that you don't have cords there for the woman or others to trip up in.
 
Cheers
Michelle  Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






 
You'll have to excuse my ignorance butt.. what is a telemetric CTG compared to the standard contraption?
 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Date: 02/12/05 15:39:09
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
well, ours doesn't which I think is a shame, so that's why I am asking.
 
marilyn
- Original Message -
From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
 
> most  hospitals have the telemetric  ctg available it is just the staff
> which dont tend to use this as it can be a bit fiddly.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
>
>
> > Just a question of interest: how common are telemetric ctg's here in
> > Australia??
> >
> > marilyn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >
> >
> >> Kirsten as a newly qualified midwife who has supported women during
birth
> >> when a student I wish you luck. You need to be very strong for both the
> >> woman and her partner in what she wants to get out of her birth. I
> >> suggest
> >> that when you are with the woman and her partner during the birth you
act
> > as
> >> her advocate and speak up for her but at the same time ensure that both
> > the
> >> wom,an and the unborn baby are not in any danger from what you are
> >> suggesting. A woman will adopt a position which she feels comfortable
and
> >> safe in. There are ways around monitoring such as intermittent
monitoring
> > of
> >> the fetus using Doppler or using the telemetric ctg instead of forcing
> >> the
> >> woman to lay on the bed. Good luck with your role as support person.
You
> >> could try reading some of the birthing books that women read to find
out
> >> positions act or speak to the midwives at the clinic when you attend
with
> >> the woman  they are a invaluable source of information.
> >>
> >> Enjoy  your time as a student
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:17 AM
> >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As a 2nd year BMid student with very limited experience of being
present
> > at
> >> births, I wonder if I may ask for some tips on how to support women in
> >> labour. I have attended only 3 births, and have contributed to some
> >> degree
> >> by being there to hold a woman's hand or bring her ice or a cool cloth,
> >> or
> >> speak an encouraging word - very much been working on the 'less is
more'
> >> basis and being a quiet support presence.  I have one woman now who is
> >> planning a VBAC and has some specific requests regarding my support
role,
> >> but I don't know where to start, and I don't want to go in there
feeling
> >> nervous and tense!  Her first birth was long and painful, ending in an
> >> emergency c-section following a 'failed' induction. She remembers
> >> essentially lying in the bed the whole time, not walking around, and
> > having
> >> several doses of pethadine.  This time she wants to stay active and
> > upright
> >> and would rather have limited/no drugs.  She says that she knows she
will
> >> not want to walk once she is in labour and wants her husband and I to
be
> >> strong and 'make' her.  She also wants me to think about ways to
> >> encourage
> >> her, or positions that may help.  I don't have any idea how to
> >> start...any
> >> pointers?  Articles, texts, experience?  I will do web research and
look
> >> through my uni texts, but I know there will be an awful lot out there -
> > some
> >> pointers which will help refine the search would be really appreciated.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Kirsten
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[ozmidwifery] Telemetric?

[Kim Stead]

 
You'll have to excuse my ignorance butt.. what is a telemetric CTG compared to the standard contraption?
 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Date: 02/12/05 15:39:09
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
well, ours doesn't which I think is a shame, so that's why I am asking.
 
marilyn
- Original Message -
From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
 
 
> most  hospitals have the telemetric  ctg available it is just the staff
> which dont tend to use this as it can be a bit fiddly.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
>
>
> > Just a question of interest: how common are telemetric ctg's here in
> > Australia??
> >
> > marilyn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >
> >
> >> Kirsten as a newly qualified midwife who has supported women during
birth
> >> when a student I wish you luck. You need to be very strong for both the
> >> woman and her partner in what she wants to get out of her birth. I
> >> suggest
> >> that when you are with the woman and her partner during the birth you
act
> > as
> >> her advocate and speak up for her but at the same time ensure that both
> > the
> >> wom,an and the unborn baby are not in any danger from what you are
> >> suggesting. A woman will adopt a position which she feels comfortable
and
> >> safe in. There are ways around monitoring such as intermittent
monitoring
> > of
> >> the fetus using Doppler or using the telemetric ctg instead of forcing
> >> the
> >> woman to lay on the bed. Good luck with your role as support person.
You
> >> could try reading some of the birthing books that women read to find
out
> >> positions act or speak to the midwives at the clinic when you attend
with
> >> the woman  they are a invaluable source of information.
> >>
> >> Enjoy  your time as a student
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:17 AM
> >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As a 2nd year BMid student with very limited experience of being
present
> > at
> >> births, I wonder if I may ask for some tips on how to support women in
> >> labour. I have attended only 3 births, and have contributed to some
> >> degree
> >> by being there to hold a woman's hand or bring her ice or a cool cloth,
> >> or
> >> speak an encouraging word - very much been working on the 'less is
more'
> >> basis and being a quiet support presence.  I have one woman now who is
> >> planning a VBAC and has some specific requests regarding my support
role,
> >> but I don't know where to start, and I don't want to go in there
feeling
> >> nervous and tense!  Her first birth was long and painful, ending in an
> >> emergency c-section following a 'failed' induction. She remembers
> >> essentially lying in the bed the whole time, not walking around, and
> > having
> >> several doses of pethadine.  This time she wants to stay active and
> > upright
> >> and would rather have limited/no drugs.  She says that she knows she
will
> >> not want to walk once she is in labour and wants her husband and I to
be
> >> strong and 'make' her.  She also wants me to think about ways to
> >> encourage
> >> her, or positions that may help.  I don't have any idea how to
> >> start...any
> >> pointers?  Articles, texts, experience?  I will do web research and
look
> >> through my uni texts, but I know there will be an awful lot out there -
> > some
> >> pointers which will help refine the search would be really appreciated.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role

[Marilyn Kleidon]

well, ours doesn't which I think is a shame, so that's why I am asking.

marilyn
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From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role


> most  hospitals have the telemetric  ctg available it is just the staff
> which dont tend to use this as it can be a bit fiddly.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
>
>
> > Just a question of interest: how common are telemetric ctg's here in
> > Australia??
> >
> > marilyn
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "shaz42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >
> >
> >> Kirsten as a newly qualified midwife who has supported women during
birth
> >> when a student I wish you luck. You need to be very strong for both the
> >> woman and her partner in what she wants to get out of her birth. I
> >> suggest
> >> that when you are with the woman and her partner during the birth you
act
> > as
> >> her advocate and speak up for her but at the same time ensure that both
> > the
> >> wom,an and the unborn baby are not in any danger from what you are
> >> suggesting. A woman will adopt a position which she feels comfortable
and
> >> safe in. There are ways around monitoring such as intermittent
monitoring
> > of
> >> the fetus using Doppler or using the telemetric ctg instead of forcing
> >> the
> >> woman to lay on the bed. Good luck with your role as support person.
You
> >> could try reading some of the birthing books that women read to find
out
> >> positions act or speak to the midwives at the clinic when you attend
with
> >> the woman  they are a invaluable source of information.
> >>
> >> Enjoy  your time as a student
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:17 AM
> >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Student's support role
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As a 2nd year BMid student with very limited experience of being
present
> > at
> >> births, I wonder if I may ask for some tips on how to support women in
> >> labour. I have attended only 3 births, and have contributed to some
> >> degree
> >> by being there to hold a woman's hand or bring her ice or a cool cloth,
> >> or
> >> speak an encouraging word - very much been working on the 'less is
more'
> >> basis and being a quiet support presence.  I have one woman now who is
> >> planning a VBAC and has some specific requests regarding my support
role,
> >> but I don't know where to start, and I don't want to go in there
feeling
> >> nervous and tense!  Her first birth was long and painful, ending in an
> >> emergency c-section following a 'failed' induction. She remembers
> >> essentially lying in the bed the whole time, not walking around, and
> > having
> >> several doses of pethadine.  This time she wants to stay active and
> > upright
> >> and would rather have limited/no drugs.  She says that she knows she
will
> >> not want to walk once she is in labour and wants her husband and I to
be
> >> strong and 'make' her.  She also wants me to think about ways to
> >> encourage
> >> her, or positions that may help.  I don't have any idea how to
> >> start...any
> >> pointers?  Articles, texts, experience?  I will do web research and
look
> >> through my uni texts, but I know there will be an awful lot out there -
> > some
> >> pointers which will help refine the search would be really appreciated.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Birthing Beds and recomendations/suggestions

[Liz Newnham]

I agree. Sofa beds are horrible. Better would be a low lying queen size bed
or floor mattress. Or what about a low platform with cushions a la the
"salle sauvage" at Michel Odent's Pithiviers birth centre if you don't want
a bed. Anything low to the ground is good for squatting, kneeling, lying on
or against, much more grounding than trying to birth or change position up
on a high hospital bed.
Cheers, Liz (about to do it again for a 4th time - 10 weeks to go!)
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From: Jenny Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Birthing Beds and recomendations/suggestions


> Hello Sue & All
> I would not recommend a sofa bed for a woman to use post-birth. Buy a
proper
> bed (Sealy etc' not a medical bed). Sofa beds are hideous to sleep on and
> are not physiologically safe for backs. Cheers
> Jenny
> Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM
> ProMid
> Professional Midwifery Education  Service
> 0419 528 717
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Birthing Beds and
recomendations/suggestions
>
>
> > We used to have a lovely queen sized bed in our birth room that had
plenty
> > of room for three or more after the birth but someone in their wisdom
> > bought a new double 'obstetric' bed with all the gizmos!  The mattress
is
> > like a rock and I would hate to have to sleep on it. While the automatic
> > back rest is handy pillows always worked before, their is a little
> > platform for stuff that pulls out at the bottom and foot rests so that
you
> > can position for suturing etc if needed bit we always imporvised before
by
> > sliding the mattress partway off the base and using the base to rest
feet
> > on and a little table for stuff. These beds are really expensive and not
> > as woman friendly or condusive to use.  I find the woman view them as
> > hospital beds and tend once on them want to adopt the submissive patient
> > role rather than the normal bed which they treat more like their own.
> >
> > Andrea Quanchi
> >
> > On 06/02/2005, at 9:02 PM, scrosby wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded Message ---
> >> From: "scrosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >> Sent: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:50:39 +1000
> >> Subject: Birthing Beds and recomendations/suggestions
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >> I work in a smallish midwifery unit in rural Victoria and we are
looking
> >> at
> >> purchasing some new beds for our newly developed birth rooms.
> >> Has anyone suggestions,, we don't have a huge budget but I would love
to
> >> hear
> >> from other midwives as to what they are using and their comments etc.
> >> One of our new rooms will be an active birth room that won't have a bed
> >> in
> >> it, only a sofa bed for post birth recovery. One of our other rooms we
> >> will
> >> use our current double bed however we would dearly like a couple of new
> >> beds.
> >> I would love feedback about this.
> >> Thanks in anticipation,
> >>
> >> Sue Crosby
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RE: [ozmidwifery] double messages

[Melanie Gregory]

I have 2just rejoined the list as I wasn't getting messages for ages and now
i am getting all messages at least 3 /4 times...so what problem is it that
is causing this ? , I am keen to sort it out  if possible 
Cheers 
Mel


Melanie Gregory
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Shenton Park
Perth  6008
WA
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:37 AM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] double messages

I seem to be getting all the messages multiple times some twice some 
more
is this residual from the problems or still needing correctiion

Got my new Birth International catelogue in the mail today and boy do I 
wish I had more money to spend!!!

Andrea Q

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Camden Rally

[Barry & Sonja]

Dear Jan!
Did you see one of your exstudents on the 
tele.  Now a Macarthur Midwives Assoc President.  I have spoken 
directly with Morris Iemma this evening an he assured me that the government is 
committed to getting Camden up and running as a midwifery led unit like Ryde in 
the near future.  We had a good talk and as devestated as I am by the news 
that births will have to occur at Campbelltown in the interim, I hope that I am 
not being naive about being pleased to go midwifery led. 
Thank you for your support and much of this rally 
will focus on the wonderful work midwives do and that we provide the best and 
most appropriate care for women having babies.  Time to start telling the 
community about how wonderful we are so that they will all be demanding our 
services.
Sonja
xx

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jan 
  Robinson 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:23 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Camden 
  Rally
  Hi SonjaI'm unable to get there tomorrow but one of my 
  clients (very pregnant) is going .. Jodie Dearsly plus 2 girls + bumpLynne 
  Gross may also go, but I haven't heard back from her.I hope the rally is a 
  rip,roaring success ... I've been listening to this evening's news while 
  doing my email and they are making it sound that it is very poor management to 
  have births spread over two campuses -- bad management for who? This is all 
  part of the plan for 'streamlining' maternity services across the state and 
  have ALL women birth in 'centres of excellence' and then trapus back to a 
  postnatal unit nearer to their homes. I heard Professor Dwyer on this one at a 
  talk he gave at Royal North Shore Hospital ... although I publicly protested 
  about the inevitable labour complications that occur when you remove women 
  from all their support systems (and their carer) to give birth not one midwife 
  at the meeting (and they were there from all over the state) backed me 
  up.I hope the message gets across loud and clear tomorrow that healthy 
  women do not need doctors to give birth ... and women prefer continuity of 
  care from their midwives when they are preparing for normal births without 
  drugs etc etc. There is an adequate ambulance service to transfer any 
  mother or baby should unexpected complications occur. It would take no longer 
  for a woman to get from Camden to Campbelltown by ambulance than it would for 
  her to get to Campletown from her own home.All the bestJanJan Robinson 
  Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of 
  Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 
  02 9546 4350e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: 
  www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 7 Feb, 2005, 
  at 15:40, Barry & Sonja wrote:
  Once again Camden Maternity 
and Birth Centre are holding a rally in conjunction with the 
community.  As you would be aware Camden is under threat of 
closing.  A review was conducted 2-3 weeks ago and we still have not 
heard what the recommendations are.  However, on the grapevine we have 
heard that the recommendations were given to the Minister early last 
week. We 
would be more than happy for any of you to join 
usthis 
Saturday 12th Feb 11am at the AH& I 
Building,Argyle 
St Camden to demand community and consumer input into local, safe maternity 
care.  We are sick of being dictated to by the paternalistic medical 
profession.Sonja

Re: [ozmidwifery] Camden Rally

[Jan Robinson]

Hi Sonja
I'm unable to get there tomorrow but one of my clients (very pregnant) is going .. Jodie Dearsly plus 2 girls + bump
Lynne Gross may also go, but I haven't heard back from her.
I hope the rally is a rip,roaring success ... I
've been listening to this evening's news while doing my email and they are making it sound that it is very poor management to have births spread over two campuses  -- bad management for who?  This is all part of the plan for 'streamlining' maternity services across the state and have ALL women birth in 'centres of excellence' and then trapus back to a postnatal unit nearer to their homes. I heard Professor Dwyer on this one at a talk he gave at Royal North Shore Hospital ... although I publicly protested about the inevitable labour complications that occur when you remove women from all their support systems (and their carer) to give birth not one midwife at the meeting (and they were there from all over the state) backed me up.

I hope the message gets across loud and clear tomorrow that healthy women do not need doctors to give birth ... and women prefer continuity of care from their midwives when they are preparing for normal births without drugs  etc etc.   
There is an adequate ambulance service to transfer any mother or baby should unexpected complications occur.  It would take no longer for a woman to get from Camden to Campbelltown by ambulance than it would for her to get to Campletown from her own home.

All the best
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 7 Feb, 2005, at 15:40, Barry & Sonja wrote:

Once again Camden Maternity and Birth Centre are holding a rally in conjunction with the community.  As you would be aware Camden is under threat of closing.  A review was conducted 2-3 weeks ago and we still have not heard what the recommendations are.  However, on the grapevine we have heard that the recommendations were given to the Minister early last week. 
We would be more than happy for any of you to join us
this Saturday 12th Feb 11am at the AH& I Building,
Argyle St Camden to demand community and consumer input into local, safe maternity care.  We are sick of being dictated to by the paternalistic medical profession.
Sonja