Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
good on you lindsay keep at it im sure with your dedication you will achieve the goal of registered midwife. i too remember tinking that when i began attending births now i would not change it for the world as i love mid and midwifery. - Original Message - From: Mike Lindsay Kennedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning Hi. I have just come home from an exciting day as a Student Midwife. My first Two births Okay I was only a witness, but it was still pretty exciting stuff. The first lady was a VBAC. Supposed to be a Cesar on Friday, came in this morning in labour and I think the Obstetrician was so busy with his theatre list that he just let her labour. I think he planned to do a Cesar (in his mind anyway) after lunch. He kept saying that she was progressing BUT she probably wouldnt deliver. And she did!! Not only that but the Dr didnt get there! It was beautiful! Within half an hour the lady who I had been with all morning (IOL for postdates) also delivered. The Dr made it for that one. Shame really, it just wasnt as nice. So.. not my perfect scenarios, I am a Home Birth fan myself, but in a hospital where two weeks ago everyone had a LSCS, I was pretty thrilled to have two normal deliveries. I have to admit caring for the women post section I was beginning to doubt my desire to be a Midwife. It just isnt my thing, all those post op obs and PCAs and drains etc. But todays experience reminded me why I want to do this! Totally enthused! Lindsay From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Julie ClarkeSent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:21 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning Hi I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac. The woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time. Well we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair. The midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive. The dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best. The woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby. She didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left. And I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she? A great experience to start the day. Warm hug to all Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing
Hi everyone Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. Ihave to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who seesindigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too. Thanks so much :) emily Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
hi just a question.. Why did the dad get into trouble??? just curious thats all katrina :-) On 30/03/2005, at 6:21 AM, Julie Clarke wrote: x-tad-biggerHi/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWell we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerShe didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAnd I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerA great experience to start the day./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWarm hug to all/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJulie/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger Julie Clarke CBE x-tad-biggerIndependent Childbirth and Parenting Educator/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerACE Grad Dip Supervisor/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE Advanced Educator and Trainer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE National Journal Editor/x-tad-bigger Transition into Parenthood Sessions x-tad-bigger9 Withybrook Place/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSylvania NSW 2224/x-tad-bigger Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggervisit Julie's website: /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwww.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] Comments??
A very experienced midwife on the UK Midwifery list responds to that question with, It is customary to wait until after the birth of the placenta! Andrea Bilcliff - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] From MIDWIFERY TODAY E-NEWS a publication of Midwifery Today, Inc. Volume 7, Issue 7, March 30, 2005 ~~ The Art of Midwifery ~~ When I was a student midwife at the Garden of Life Birth Center in Michigan, a woman who had just had her baby asked my mentor midwife, When can we have sex again? I was surprised she was asking the question and even more surprised by Val's response: You can have sex anytime you want to, as long as I am not in the room! I was astonished, having been previously told that a woman had to wait until she stopped bleeding or at least until six weeks postpartum. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing Hi Emily Would you be interested in talking to Aboriginal Health Workers and a traditional midwife? If so e-mail me off list and I may be able to assist Justine Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] What is midwifery?
Hi Kate In light of Lindsay's comments of a midwife being in a post-surgery ward (after so many c/s!!) Then I think you could really open up the scope of practice under what midwifery is. Use the ACMI Guidelines for consultation and referral www.acmi.org.au to establish what midwifery is and is not, it is a melding of guidelines from Canada, NZ and the Netherlands. The idea of what a midwife does in either the home or a primary unit without medical care is perhaps a good place to start. I truly believe very few midwives know. I spoke at a conference the other day about caseload midwifery and a midwife came up and said I was inspirational, she then said it didn't effect her as she worked on the Early Discharge Program. I was gob smacked, did she not understand that there is no EDP with one to one midwifery! I have heard comments re knowledge of epidurals induction etc etc being a midwives role and that it is just that way now. That is a cop-out. Nothing changes with that sort of defeatist approach. I am acutely aware of how hard change is and how far against best practice appropriate care etc we are but in various pursuits over the last 20 or so years when we accept way less than we should that's what midwives and women continue to suffer. Naturally there will be some elements of midwifery that stay with a woman no matter what (so don't stone me over the high risk women needing midwives I acknowledge and very much support this). You can still acknowledge the 'with womanness' of midwives regardless of the birth mode, but I think you have an opportunity to comment on the clinical aspects of our out of control obstetrically dominated maternity system that has midwives working as post surgical nurses and obstetric handmaidens!! Kindest Justine Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing
Hi Emily What part of the country will you be wanting to do your 8 weeks full time elective? I may be able to put you onto someone. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 30 Mar, 2005, at 19:51, Emily wrote: Hi everyone Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. I have to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who sees indigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too. Thanks so much :) emily Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports -Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
Hi Lindsay If you are a home birth fan and would like to meet with home birth midwives please let me know off line. I can give you the meting venues of a few different home birth groups around Sydney - also some interstate. Please contact me as below. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 30 Mar, 2005, at 16:56, Mike Lindsay Kennedy wrote: x-tad-biggerHi./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI have just come home from an exciting day as a Student Midwife. My first Two births Okay I was only a witness, but it was still pretty exciting stuff. The first lady was a VBAC. Supposed to be a Cesar on Friday, came in this morning in labour and I think the Obstetrician was so busy with his theatre list that he just let her labour. I think he planned to do a Cesar (in his mind anyway) after lunch. He kept saying that she was progressing BUT she probably wouldnt deliver. And she did!! Not only that but the Dr didnt get there! It was beautiful! Within half an hour the lady who I had been with all morning (IOL for postdates) also delivered. The Dr made it for that one. Shame really, it just wasnt as nice. So.. not my perfect scenarios, I am a Home Birth fan myself, but in a hospital where two weeks ago everyone had a LSCS, I was pretty thrilled to have two normal deliveries. I have to admit caring for the women post section I was beginning to doubt my desire to be a Midwife. It just isnt my thing, all those post op obs and PCAs and drains etc. But todays experience reminded me why I want to do this! /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTotally enthused!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerLindsay/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJulie Clarke/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerWednesday, March 30, 2005 6:21 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHi/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWell we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerShe didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAnd I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerA great experience to start the day./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWarm hug to all/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJulie/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger Julie Clarke CBE x-tad-biggerIndependent Childbirth and Parenting Educator/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerACE Grad Dip Supervisor/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE Advanced Educator and Trainer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE National Journal Editor/x-tad-bigger Transition into Parenthood Sessions x-tad-bigger9 Withybrook Place/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSylvaniaNSW 2224/x-tad-bigger Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggervisit Julie's website:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwww.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] What is midwifery?
In a message dated 3/30/2005 5:24:56 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a question! I am a 2nd year BMid student confronted with an essay which asks just that. We are being told to: "Be innovative. Consult personnel - midwives, women, multidisciplinary colleagues." Which leads me to this list! I'd really love opinions, thoughts and even directions to relevant literature. The full question is below. If anyone has any gems on research, I'd love to hear them, but the main thing I am chasing from this list is the understanding of what midwifery is bit. I have my own ideas and will certainly try to find appropriate references. But your opinions/thoughts would be appreciated. Many thanks Kate Hi Kate...a good place to start with this stuff is your professional midwifery documents...things like the ICM definition of a midwife etc relevant Codes of Practice and the ACMI Philosophy Statement (2004).see below The ACMI Draft Philosophy Statement was published in the Winter Ed. of the ACMI Midwifery news, p. 13? I believe the philosophy statemant was recently ratified at the National ACMI executive meeting in Canberra in December 2004and is now the 'official' statement on 'what we do' in our work, attitudes and approach to working in partnership 'with woman' as contemporary midwives in an Australian context. The ACMI Philosophy Statement provides you with a good framework from which to critically analyse 'What is midwifery' as we have defined it! Cheers Tina Pettigrew. B Mid Midwife. ACMI Philosophy Statement (2004) -- Midwife means 'with woman'. This meaning shapes midwifery's philosophy, work and relationships. Midwifery is founded on respect for women and on a strong belief in the value of women's work of bearing and rearing each generation. Midwifery considers women in pregnancy, during childbirth and early parenting to be undertaking healthy processes that are profound events in each woman's life. These events are also seen as inherently important to society as a whole. Midwifery is emancipatory because it protects and enhances the health and social status of women that in turn protects and enhances the health and wellbeing of society. Midwifery is a woman centred, political, primary health care discipline founded on the relationships between women and their midwives: - midwifery focuses on a woman's health needs, her expectations and aspirations; - is holistic in its approach and recognises each woman's social, emotional, physical, spiritual and cultural needs, expectations and context as defined by the woman herself; - recognises every woman's right to self-determination in attaining choice, control and continuity of care from one or more known caregivers; - recognises every woman's responsibility to make informed decisions for herself, her baby and her family with assistance, when requested, from health professionals; - is informed by scientific evidence, by collective and individual experience and by intuition. - aims to follow each woman across the interface between institutions and the community, through pregnancy, labour, and birth and the postanatl period so all women remain connected to their social support systems; - may include consultation and/or collaboration between health professionals in the interests of each woman and her baby; and - embraces the ideals of openess and responsiveness to and cooperation with the wider community. (ACMI, 2004).
RE: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
Hi Katrina Having just read your question this morning I have had a little chuckle as I remember the couple of moments, firstly when he was rubbing her back too enthusiastically during a contraction she had actually asked for a back rub and he was doing a great job just didnt think to stop when the next contraction came he wasnt watching her face so he didnt realize she let out a little growl and he was shocked Then the next time was with the face washer her face and cheeks were very hot so we had a lovely wet cool washer but I think he squashed her nose or blocked it with the washer and that caused a reaction too. It was very heartwarming though when I saw the look on his face as the lovely midwife helped him to catch his new little baby girl I had the camera and gave a couple of quick clicks so I hope I got that shot for him. He was exceptional afterwards as he supported mum and bub throughout the first breastfeed. He is a totally involved dad. Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 7:59 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning hi just a question.. Why did the dad get into trouble??? just curious thats all katrina :-) On 30/03/2005, at 6:21 AM, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac. The woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time. Well we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair. The midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive. The dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best. The woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby. She didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left. And I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she? A great experience to start the day. Warm hug to all Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Title: Message I am interested in this alleged discrimination issue. As a QNU (not QNC) Councillor I would invite persons affected in Queensland to email me off list soI can take specifics, keeping people's identity out,to the next Council meeting. people can also contact QNU direct as well.I and others have heard of this particularly in regional rural areas so I would be disappointed if this is occurring in a very larger tertiary institution that hasa large number of existingstaff, including non DEM not to have an issue with deployment. A major health organisation still denies there is a shortage of nurses/midwives!! Unfortunately all staff in health areas are being devalued to the point to feeling they are only *tools* or a piece on a chess board that get moved around to plug up the gaps!! Workloads and its grievance format was introduced 2 years ago by the MX170 in Qld and yet we still have a major employer arguing how ones goes about closing beds- bunkum!! They do not want to know. How many midwives would be interested in joining the funded daily morning walk the DG has organised for their corporate staff? Yes this walk is funded! Wouldn't it be great to tell them how hard it is to deliver quality care at the coal face, how case loading will assist the recruitment and retention of midwives and how many Bl risk managers are frustrating the care given because you spend so much time crossing the t's and dotting the i each day! I am becoming impatient. The Health Amendment Bill 2004 is being held up at the moment for very good reasons which Qld President ACMI Jenny Gamble has written about in the journal. I won't go into that in any depth as its been done to death but at least it is being held up. I hope the bureaucrat's listens and amend the offensive parts! Kiwi Kim - isn't it great being a midwife over there.I have just come back from visiting family in Te Puke and it was inspiring to see shops/houses with these signs 'Midwifery-by-the Sea', 'Bay Midwives' and the respect people have of midwives especially the marginalised groups such as ethnics, Maori, islanders and rural communities. it is indeed a truly exciting time! Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M FisherSent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:00 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your email. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:
RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Barb - I now reside in Victoria and deeply miss midwifery 'over there'. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/31/05 12:03:50 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I am interested in this alleged discrimination issue. As a QNU (not QNC) Councillor I would invite persons affected in Queensland to email me off list soI can take specifics, keeping people's identity out,to the next Council meeting. people can also contact QNU direct as well.I and others have heard of this particularly in regional rural areas so I would be disappointed if this is occurring in a very larger tertiary institution that hasa large number of existingstaff, including non DEM not to have an issue with deployment. A major health organisation still denies there is a shortage of nurses/midwives!! Unfortunately all staff in health areas are being devalued to the point to feeling they are only *tools* or a piece on a chess board that get moved around to plug up the gaps!! Workloads and its grievance format was introduced 2 years ago by the MX170 in Qld and yet we still have a major employer arguing how ones goes about closing beds- bunkum!! They do not want to know. How many midwives would be interested in joining the funded daily morning walk the DG has organised for their corporate staff? Yes this walk is funded! Wouldn't it be great to tell them how hard it is to deliver quality care at the coal face, how case loading will assist the recruitment and retention of midwives and how many Bl risk managers are frustrating the care given because you spend so much time crossing the t's and dotting the i each day! I am becoming impatient. The Health Amendment Bill 2004 is being held up at the moment for very good reasons which Qld President ACMI Jenny Gamble has written about in the journal. I won't go into that in any depth as its been done to death but at least it is being held up. I hope the bureaucrat's listens and amend the offensive parts! Kiwi Kim - isn't it great being a midwife over there.I have just come back from visiting family in Te Puke and it was inspiring to see shops/houses with these signs 'Midwifery-by-the Sea', 'Bay Midwives' and the respect people have of midwives especially the marginalised groups such as ethnics, Maori, islanders and rural communities. it is indeed a truly exciting time! Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M FisherSent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:00 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your email. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Hi Barb, I grew up in Te Puke , did you? Pinky (nee schutt) - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Barb - I now reside in Victoria and deeply miss midwifery 'over there'. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/31/05 12:03:50 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I am interested in this alleged discrimination issue. As a QNU (not QNC) Councillor I would invite persons affected in Queensland to email me off list soI can take specifics, keeping people's identity out,to the next Council meeting. people can also contact QNU direct as well.I and others have heard of this particularly in regional rural areas so I would be disappointed if this is occurring in a very larger tertiary institution that hasa large number of existingstaff, including non DEM not to have an issue with deployment. A major health organisation still denies there is a shortage of nurses/midwives!! Unfortunately all staff in health areas are being devalued to the point to feeling they are only *tools* or a piece on a chess board that get moved around to plug up the gaps!! Workloads and its grievance format was introduced 2 years ago by the MX170 in Qld and yet we still have a major employer arguing how ones goes about closing beds- bunkum!! They do not want to know. How many midwives would be interested in joining the funded daily morning walk the DG has organised for their corporate staff? Yes this walk is funded! Wouldn't it be great to tell them how hard it is to deliver quality care at the coal face, how case loading will assist the recruitment and retention of midwives and how many Bl risk managers are frustrating the care given because you spend so much time crossing the t's and dotting the i each day! I am becoming impatient. The Health Amendment Bill 2004 is being held up at the moment for very good reasons which Qld President ACMI Jenny Gamble has written about in the journal. I won't go into that in any depth as its been done to death but at least it is being held up. I hope the bureaucrat's listens and amend the offensive parts! Kiwi Kim - isn't it great being a midwife over there.I have just come back from visiting family in Te Puke and it was inspiring to see shops/houses with these signs 'Midwifery-by-the Sea', 'Bay Midwives' and the respect people have of midwives especially the marginalised groups such as ethnics, Maori, islanders and rural communities. it is indeed a truly exciting time! Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M FisherSent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:00 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your email. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my
RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Title: Message Yes Pinky, I lived on a small dairy farm at Rotoehu or Pongakawa Valley -in the bush. I went to Te Puke High, nee Hastie part of the Pittar whanu as well (from Maketu). Where you one of the Paengaroa Schutt's? Would be interested to know, take care Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Friday, 1 April 2005 12:34 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Hi Barb, I grew up in Te Puke , did you? Pinky (nee schutt) - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Barb - I now reside in Victoria and deeply miss midwifery 'over there'. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/31/05 12:03:50 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I am interested in this alleged discrimination issue. As a QNU (not QNC) Councillor I would invite persons affected in Queensland to email me off list soI can take specifics, keeping people's identity out,to the next Council meeting. people can also contact QNU direct as well.I and others have heard of this particularly in regional rural areas so I would be disappointed if this is occurring in a very larger tertiary institution that hasa large number of existingstaff, including non DEM not to have an issue with deployment. A major health organisation still denies there is a shortage of nurses/midwives!! Unfortunately all staff in health areas are being devalued to the point to feeling they are only *tools* or a piece on a chess board that get moved around to plug up the gaps!! Workloads and its grievance format was introduced 2 years ago by the MX170 in Qld and yet we still have a major employer arguing how ones goes about closing beds- bunkum!! They do not want to know. How many midwives would be interested in joining the funded daily morning walk the DG has organised for their corporate staff? Yes this walk is funded! Wouldn't it be great to tell them how hard it is to deliver quality care at the coal face, how case loading will assist the recruitment and retention of midwives and how many Bl risk managers are frustrating the care given because you spend so much time crossing the t's and dotting the i each day! I am becoming impatient. The Health Amendment Bill 2004 is being held up at the moment for very good reasons which Qld President ACMI Jenny Gamble has written about in the journal. I won't go into that in any depth as its been done to death but at least it is being held up. I hope the bureaucrat's listens and amend the offensive parts! Kiwi Kim - isn't it great being a midwife over there.I have just come back from visiting family in Te Puke and it was inspiring to see shops/houses with these signs 'Midwifery-by-the Sea', 'Bay Midwives' and the respect people have of midwives especially the marginalised groups such as ethnics, Maori, islanders and rural communities. it is indeed a truly exciting time! Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M FisherSent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:00 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes
[ozmidwifery] A new breastfeeding journal is born--and it's going to be free!
Hi Please scroll down and read previous emails I thought you might appreciate being included seems good to me - hug J I encourage Maternity Coalition members to reply to Lisa Amir so that she can add your name as subscribers (free) to this new journal. Lisa is a Melbourne GP academic who is well known in ABA, Baby Friendly initiative, and a person to whom I refer women with medical breastfeeding problems. Joy Johnston _ Dear Editorial Board, I have been working on an email list that BioMed Central can use to inform people about the new journal. I have about 500 names and email addresses, but the publishers would like more if possible. They have suggested that members of the Editorial Board could send me a list of their colleagues who may be interested in hearing about the journal. The list will just be used to send three email messages over the next 6 months. I would really appreciate some more names in the next week! I need the surname and email address only. The first call for papers will be going out very soon. Many thanks, Lisa Amir Editor-in-Chief International Breastfeeding Journal [EMAIL PROTECTED] SOUTH EAST HEALTH CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email, and the files transmitted with it, are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not permitted to distribute or use this email or any of its attachments in any way. We also request that you advise the sender of the incorrect addressing. This email message has been virus-scanned. Although no computer viruses were detected, South East Health accepts no liability for any consequential damage resulting from email containing any computer viruses.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing
Hi Emily Did you see the Birth Rites documentary recently? Cant remember if it was on ABC or SBS but it would be a very good source for you. Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 7:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing Hi everyone Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. Ihave to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who seesindigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too. Thanks so much :) emily Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing
hi julie yes i did see it thanks. amazing doco and i saw similar issues 1st hand in alice. we had one case of a woman presenting for her first antenatal visit at about 39 weeks asking when the baby might come and not returning until about 43 weeks with a death in utero which she birthed silently a few days later. its such a complicated area but so interesting emilyJulie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Emily Did you see the Birth Rites documentary recently? Cant remember if it was on ABC or SBS but it would be a very good source for you. Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 7:52 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing Hi everyone Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. Ihave to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who seesindigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too. Thanks so much :) emily Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Well said Kim. Has anyone ever heard of hospital management questioning why OT's, Physios, Lab Technicians etc are not expected to 'cover' patient care in our hospitals when staff shortages occur?? Why DEM's?? Seems some 'professions' are more equal than others! Don't underestimate your own contribution, and that of other B Mids, in facilitating change by dealing with all the 'affiliated rubbish' that goes with being in pioneering roles. I was trained as a RGON (Registered General Obstetric Nurse) in the unenlightened 70's in NZ and wouldn't, in my wildest dreams, have pictured what 1990 would bring for women midwives in NZ. It is going to happen here (it is happening here) and we are going to be ready for it, even if hospital bureaucracies aren't! Kind Regards, Shona Dove
Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
Welcome to our wonderful world where every day is different Andrea Quanchi On 30/03/2005, at 4:56 PM, Mike Lindsay Kennedy wrote: x-tad-biggerHi./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI have just come home from an exciting day as a Student Midwife. My first Two births Okay I was only a witness, but it was still pretty exciting stuff. The first lady was a VBAC. Supposed to be a Cesar on Friday, came in this morning in labour and I think the Obstetrician was so busy with his theatre list that he just let her labour. I think he planned to do a Cesar (in his mind anyway) after lunch. He kept saying that she was progressing BUT she probably wouldnt deliver. And she did!! Not only that but the Dr didnt get there! It was beautiful! Within half an hour the lady who I had been with all morning (IOL for postdates) also delivered. The Dr made it for that one. Shame really, it just wasnt as nice. So.. not my perfect scenarios, I am a Home Birth fan myself, but in a hospital where two weeks ago everyone had a LSCS, I was pretty thrilled to have two normal deliveries. I have to admit caring for the women post section I was beginning to doubt my desire to be a Midwife. It just isnt my thing, all those post op obs and PCAs and drains etc. But todays experience reminded me why I want to do this! /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTotally enthused!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerLindsay/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJulie Clarke/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:21 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHi/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWell we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerShe didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAnd I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerA great experience to start the day./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWarm hug to all/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJulie/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger Julie Clarke CBE x-tad-biggerIndependent Childbirth and Parenting Educator/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerACE Grad Dip Supervisor/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE Advanced Educator and Trainer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE National Journal Editor/x-tad-bigger Transition into Parenthood Sessions x-tad-bigger9 Withybrook Place/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSylvania NSW 2224/x-tad-bigger Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggervisit Julie's website: /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwww.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] presentation to 6yr olds
Just implant the idea that woman can give birth under their own steam with a known midwife and that if a doctor isnt their the sky wont fall in. You are trying to counteract what they see all the time on TV. Andrea Q On 29/03/2005, at 4:04 PM, Cheryl LHK wrote: OK, got 'persuaded' to do my bit in my sons Grade 1 class - got to give a little chat about What I do for the community? in my role as a rural RN and midwife. Needs to be about 10 mins long. Have some ideas, but looking for some bright ones from you 'creative' people out there. And NO, I do not have brand new baby to take along for show and tell! Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others don't. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug I seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back yet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005
[ozmidwifery] cord care
Thought you may be interested in this review of the literature on cord care. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/497030?src=mp Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Sally-Anne, I wondered that too! I am a BMid student and have already been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then wondered if that was not a case for discrimination. Of course their stance is that i cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others don't. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug I seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back yet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your email. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others don't. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug I seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back yet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Comments??
Hi Jo, I agree that birth affects readiness - having 5 births to compare, I have always felt that my personal readiness was directly related to how many fingers had been in my vagina during labour. After my second baby (an easy natural birth) I had been 'hanging out' for sex til my 6 week check - at my check up, friendly GP/OB asked re intercourse -when I said I hadn't tried yet, he asked what are you waiting for? - most embarrassed, I said, I thought I had to wait til my check up. - Now I grin that I was waiting for the Drs 'green light. Pinky - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Comments?? I think the time period between birth and sex has more to with how the woman feels emotionally. There was a 6 month draught after my cs as I wouldnt even risk doing anything that could cause me to get pregnant and then have to go thru all that again. After my second (a nasty episiotomy for not reason and forceps rotation) the physical recovery determined when and then the fear took over so that was a about 3 months. After my last which was a natural intact peri birth, I was so over joyed, empowered and FIG JAM that intimacy was after about 2 weeks...the loss after that birth was almost nothing. And it was orgasmic too! Too much info??? Probably but the point is that the way in which I felt about my birth had direct correlations to the time when sex was introduced. I know a marriage that failed because she would not have sex with her husband after her cs. Another couple are fighting for their marriage in therapy as she wont either for fear of getting pregnant. Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Bilcliff Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Comments?? A very experienced midwife on the UK Midwifery list responds to that question with, It is customary to wait until after the birth of the placenta! Andrea Bilcliff - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] From MIDWIFERY TODAY E-NEWS a publication of Midwifery Today, Inc. Volume 7, Issue 7, March 30, 2005 ~~ The Art of Midwifery ~~ When I was a student midwife at the Garden of Life Birth Center in Michigan, a woman who had just had her baby asked my mentor midwife, When can we have sex again? I was surprised she was asking the question and even more surprised by Val's response: You can have sex anytime you want to, as long as I am not in the room! I was astonished, having been previously told that a woman had to wait until she stopped bleeding or at least until six weeks postpartum. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] DEM's
There are 48 DEM's at King Edward Memorial Hospital in Perth. Sadie - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Sally-Anne, I wondered that too! I am a BMid student and have already been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then wondered if that was not a case for discrimination. Of course their stance is that i cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others don't. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug I seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back yet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Hi guys I must jump in on this one as I too have been affected in this way here in rural Victoria. Two hospitals would not employ me being a 'BMid' despite the fact that one was actively advertising for midwives! I was told it was because I could not be relocated. Same old story! I also commented that I felt I was being discriminated against - I was a midwife needing work, they needed staff - what was the problem! I definitely felt a defensive 'feeling' when bringing up the word discrimination. Basically I was told it was a'management decision' with financial implications for the establishment - general nurses must be more cost effective? They needed versatile staff who could work in any area at any time of which I could not, bound by my registration not my unwillingness. I have since been employed at one ofthese hospitals and so far all is going well.Other'shavebeen relocated on the odd time we have been quiet which is hardly ever - usually the other way around - not enough staff for the client-load. I can only recall this happening on one of my rostered shifts. Mostly it is a case of having to bring staff in to assist us.You should see the faces of the nurses arriving at the nurses station for duty on the maternity ward with all the chaos that goes on I think they are equally as scared and who could blame them. We also have one other DE midwife at the unit, more experienced and senior than I who arrived before me and kept the DE aspect of her training to herself. Can't say I blame her with all the affiliated rubbish that goes on with us 'special' midwives. This particular hospitalare now introducing a grad program directed at DE midwives. I think they are finally realising the fact that they need staff and perhaps DE midwives might be part of the future workforce? I think they are also accepting the fact that team and caseload are coming and us "DE's" arefully equipped to work in this model.I do believe that things are beginning to change - hopefully for the better. At times I find itquite humorous to remember that 'general nurses' as lovely as you all are - were once direct entry too. Kiwi Kim - looking forward to this country getting their act together on maternity issues! ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/31/05 10:14:34 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Sally-Anne, I wondered that too! I am a BMid student and have already been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then wondered if that was not a case for discrimination. Of course their stance is that i cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an attachment my guess is it was the email itself. All the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ? One would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould imagine..!! Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd
