[ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire
Yes, too small in the actual unit. Only bath size. Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Yep - she said the pool there was small and wanted a bigger one? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Friday, 14 October 2005 1:56 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Kelly, Does this client know that Wonthaggi Hospital has a lovely midwife led team there who do waterbirths? Their team leader I used to do homebirths here together they are part of BAss Coast Health at Wonthahaggi. One of the MW on their team is having a homebirth herself shortly is hiring Andrea Bilcliffs pool for it. Waterbirths are my special area of interest ! Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Here are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone? Hi Kelly, thankyou for your offer of more information. We live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess. Our EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan. If you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help. Vanessa Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire The Midwifery Natural Childbirth Centre at 336 Oxford St Leederville W.A. Ph 08 92423330. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. We have 5. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:14 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Hello everyone, Im just wondering if everyone could please let me know who hires out birth pools around Australia - women often ask where they can hire them in my forums so I may as well put a list together and pop it in my waterbirth article I have too. There is someone asking about Victoria at the moment but I would love to put together a list for all states J Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists
Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
Rachel, I wouldn't call that unprofessional, just lateral thinking !! Adapting to the situation at hand, well done yourself. Kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so It is very frustrating when a woman is labouring really well and her birth partners are counter-acting her state of mind. Some get quite annoyed that you are not responding to her noises by giving her drugs to make her quiet and easier to watch. I have actually given a dad the entonox once during a waterbirth. The woman was coping fantastically and vocally during her contractions, relaxed in between. Every contraction he would freak out and ask me to help her, then hang his head in his hands. He was s stressed out and I couldn't talk him down. In the end I handed him the entonox and told him it would do him more good than her. It worked! He chilled out and we all had a good laugh about it. Probably highly unprofessional! Rachel From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:04:10 +1000 I have given women drugs in labour at their partners demand. Also epidurals and c/s organised because the partner wasn't coping. It is devesting when a woman is labouring well, and her partner, or sometimes her mother, isn't coping and undermines the woman's confidence in her body. I have often felt like giving him the drugs. One feels hopeless and helpless when adverse comments and stressed support people influence the woman. And lets face it, in the hospital setting who has the strongest and personal relationship, and therefore more likely to influence ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gloria Lemay Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 5:59 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@uniserve.com;;; Subject: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so This is a group that no one has thought to blame the high cesarean rate on. Hmm. Gloria Scotland on Sunday - October 2, 2005 Squeamish men pushing wives towards Caesareans RICHARD GRAY HEALTH CORRESPONDENT FRETTING fathers-to-be are fuelling Scotland's soaring Caesarean section rate because they do not like to see their pregnant partners in pain, midwives have warned. They claim many worried husbands are afraid of the mess and noise that accompanies natural childbirth. Instead they are encouraging their wives to give birth at large consultant-led hospital units where they can get powerful painkillers and surgery. But midwives claim these over-protective men are unwittingly causing their partners to have unnecessary Caesarean sections and drugs by taking them to these baby factories. They say more women would have natural births if they used smaller midwife-run maternity units. The proportion of women choosing to have Caesareans has leapt from 6.2% to 9% in the last 10 years with more than 4,600 women choosing to have the major surgical procedure in 2004. Experts claim the increase in popularity is mainly due to the misconception that Caesareans are a safer and pain-free option to traditional childbirth. But the abdominal surgery can leave mothers in pain for weeks afterwards and they are prone to getting infections in their wound. The controversy surrounding Caesareans has led to tensions between midwives and doctors over the best way of providing services to pregnant women. Earlier this year the Royal College of Midwives launched a campaign to promote normality in childbirth. Phyllis Winters, a midwifery team leader at Montrose Community Maternity Unit, believes the celebrity trend of opting for Caesareans has helped create the myth that surgery is the easier option. But she believes squeamish husbands have also played a part in the decline of natural childbirth. She will present her claims at a conference organised by the National Childbirth Trust (NCT) and the Royal College of Midwives in Dunfermline, Fife, on Thursday. Winters said: A lot of couples take decisions about childbirth together and men in particular feel wary about childbirth. They are frightened about seeing their partner in pain and about what can go wrong. As a result they often prefer to go to the consultant led unit where they perceive there is a higher level of care. Unfortunately there is also a higher level of intervention when it is not needed. In Montrose less than 8% of the births we deal with at the midwife-led unit get transported to the specialist unit due to complications Women
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] gosford mws
hi i was just wondering if anyone from this list works at gosford hospital as i just started a placement there love emilybrendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, too small in the actual unit. Only bath size. Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Yep - she said the pool there was small and wanted a bigger one? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists ! From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Friday, 14 October 2005 1:56 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Kelly, Does this client know that Wonthaggi Hospital has a lovely midwife led team there who do waterbirths? Their team leader I used to do homebirths here together they are part of BAss Coast Health at Wonthahaggi. One of the MW on their team is having a homebirth herself shortly is hiring Andrea Bilcliffs pool for it. Waterbirths are my special area of interest ! Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Here are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone? Hi Kelly, thankyou for your offer of more information. We live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess. Our EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan. If you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help. Vanessa Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists ! From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire The Midwifery Natural Childbirth Centre at 336 Oxford St Leederville W.A. Ph 08 92423330. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. We have 5. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:14 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Hello everyone, Im just wondering if everyone could please let me know who hires out birth pools around Australia - women often ask where they can hire them in my forums so I may as well put a list together and pop it in my waterbirth article I have too. There is someone asking about Victoria at the moment but I would love to put together a list for all states J Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
So, in my case would you say it is just a coincidence that I had both? Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 From: "Joy Cocks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cordsDate: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:44 +1000 Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gosford mws
Hi Emily I work at Gosford. I am working tomorrow morning (saturday) but then am on a weeks leave. How long is your placement??? Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 14/10/2005, at 5:30 PM, Emily wrote: hi i was just wondering if anyone from this list works at gosford hospital as i just started a placement there love emily brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: x-tad-smallerYes, too small in the actual unit./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOnly bath size./x-tad-smallerKind Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, October 14, 2005 3:30 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerYep - she said the pool there was small and wanted a bigger one?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDirector, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerwww.toys4tikes.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAustralian Little Tikes Specialists/x-tad-smaller ! x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerbrendamanning/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, 14 October 2005 1:56 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDoes this client know that Wonthaggi Hospital has a lovely midwife led team there who do waterbirths?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTheir team leader I used to do homebirths here together they are part of BAss Coast Health at Wonthahaggi. One of the MW on their team is having a homebirth herself shortly is hiring Andrea Bilcliffs pool for it./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWaterbirths are my special area of interest !/x-tad-smaller Kind Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHere are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHi Kelly,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthankyou for your offer of more information./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWe live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerOur EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIf you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerVanessa/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDirector, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerwww.toys4tikes.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAustralian Little Tikes Specialists/x-tad-smaller ! x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMary Murphy/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Midwifery Natural
RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
Great thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 5:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Rachel, I wouldn't call that unprofessional, just lateral thinking !! Adapting to the situation at hand, well done yourself. Kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so It is very frustrating when a woman is labouring really well and her birth partners are counter-acting her state of mind. Some get quite annoyed that you are not responding to her noises by giving her drugs to make her quiet and easier to watch. I have actually given a dad the entonox once during a waterbirth. The woman was coping fantastically and vocally during her contractions, relaxed in between. Every contraction he would freak out and ask me to help her, then hang his head in his hands. He was s stressed out and I couldn't talk him down. In the end I handed him the entonox and told him it would do him more good than her. It worked! He chilled out and we all had a good laugh about it. Probably highly unprofessional! Rachel From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:04:10 +1000 I have given women drugs in labour at their partners demand. Also epidurals and c/s organised because the partner wasn't coping. It is devesting when a woman is labouring well, and her partner, or sometimes her mother, isn't coping and undermines the woman's confidence in her body. I have often felt like giving him the drugs. One feels hopeless and helpless when adverse comments and stressed support people influence the woman. And lets face it, in the hospital setting who has the strongest and personal relationship, and therefore more likely to influence ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gloria Lemay Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 5:59 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@uniserve.com;;; Subject: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so This is a group that no one has thought to blame the high cesarean rate on. Hmm. Gloria Scotland on Sunday - October 2, 2005 Squeamish men pushing wives towards Caesareans RICHARD GRAY HEALTH CORRESPONDENT FRETTING fathers-to-be are fuelling Scotland's soaring Caesarean section rate because they do not like to see their pregnant partners in pain, midwives have warned. They claim many worried husbands are afraid of the mess and noise that accompanies natural childbirth. Instead they are encouraging their wives to give birth at large consultant-led hospital units where they can get powerful painkillers and surgery. But midwives claim these over-protective men are unwittingly causing their partners to have unnecessary Caesarean sections and drugs by taking them to these baby factories. They say more women would have natural births if they used smaller midwife-run maternity units. The proportion of women choosing to have Caesareans has leapt from 6.2% to 9% in the last 10 years with more than 4,600 women choosing to have the major surgical procedure in 2004. Experts claim the increase in popularity is mainly due to the misconception that Caesareans are a safer and pain-free option to traditional childbirth. But the abdominal surgery can leave mothers in pain for weeks afterwards and they are prone to getting infections in their wound. The controversy surrounding Caesareans has led to tensions between midwives and doctors over the best way of providing services to pregnant women. Earlier this year the Royal College of Midwives launched a campaign to promote normality in childbirth. Phyllis Winters, a midwifery team leader at Montrose Community Maternity Unit, believes the celebrity trend of opting for Caesareans has helped create the myth that surgery is the easier option. But she believes squeamish husbands have also played a part in the decline of natural childbirth. She will present her claims at a conference organised by the National Childbirth Trust (NCT) and the Royal College of Midwives in Dunfermline, Fife, on Thursday. Winters said: A lot of couples take decisions about childbirth together and men in particular feel wary about childbirth. They are frightened about seeing their partner in pain and about what can go wrong. As a result they often prefer to go to the consultant
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
What I was told by a pathologist that I consulted for a 2 vessel cord (many years ago so new research may trump this but it made sense to me) is that 1. renal problems are the first thought but they would result in the baby being small for dates 2. if the baby is a normal size and urinary function is normal, it probably means that the 2 arteries are there but appear as one and have fused. Gloria Joy Cocks wrote: Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
I just wish we had their C/S rate!! Ours is about 5 times that lately. The other week I counted 18 out of 30 women on one ward had had the chop - there were also a few antenates, believe it or not! We're a major tertiary hospital, I know, but they weren't all fulminating P.E.T's, or grade 34 plac. praevias! But don't ya just love some of those threatening stand over tactics by "support" (now there's a loose term) people demanding you give pain relief? We've had to call security a few times - it can be so distressing for the women and the birth process, eh! GW
Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian Breastfeeding Association
Hi, The version on the website, is in fact the full position description. I've asked them to change the web-page. If you have any further questions, I can help you. Warm Regards Barb - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Breastfeeding Association Hello, everyone, Please find attached advertisement for an Executive Officer for the ustralian Breastfeeding Association. Applications close on October 28th 2005. If the attachment has been stripped from the message forthe advertisement andposition description, please see our website www.breastfeeding.asn.au Please feel free to forward this circulate this e-mail through your networks. Warm Regards, Barb Glare[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association www.breastfeeding.asn.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
I guessbut don't really know. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords So, in my case would you say it is just a coincidence that I had both? Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 From: "Joy Cocks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cordsDate: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:44 +1000 Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS
Revised guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics issued on Monday also discourage parents from sleeping with their infants at all, saying babies are safer in their own cribs. Aauugghh!! These kinds of statements make me sick. It's amazing our race has survived for so long while parents and babies slept together... before we had the 'luxury' of cots! I believe there is a reason why it is also called 'cot death'. It annoys me so much because they don't seem to ever care about the real research done on co-sleeping and it's amazing effects such as mothers breathing regulating baby's breathing etc. It also annoys me how conveniently people seem to forget about immunisations and the effect on babies respiratory system. Jumping off my soapbox now. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
I wouldn't be too impressed by UK c-section rates. What is more important is the 'normal' birth rate. I worked in a large regional referral unit in the UK (5000 births per year). The Consultant was always bragging to new drs that the c-section rate was around 20%. He used to get rather p**sed off when I interrupted to point out that the normal birth rate for a 'low risk' primip was 49%. The instrumental birth rate was very high. I have noticed here (Queensland public hospital) that the c-section rate is around 30+%. But, women very rarely have instrumental births. Often the c-sections are done at full dilatation and the baby's head has to be dis-impacted from the pelvis. I asked about it (I ask far too many questions), and was told it was because the drs don't have the experience or skill of instrumental births, therefore prefer c-section. Those women that do have instrumental births often end up with 3rd degree tears. I can only speak for the hospitals I have worked in (both public sector), but my observations are the 'normal birth' is higher than the rate in the UK. Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:12:57 EDT I just wish we had their C/S rate!! Ours is about 5 times that lately. The other week I counted 18 out of 30 women on one ward had had the chop - there were also a few antenates, believe it or not! We're a major tertiary hospital, I know, but they weren't all fulminating P.E.T's, or grade 34 plac. praevias! But don't ya just love some of those threatening stand over tactics by support (now there's a loose term) people demanding you give pain relief? We've had to call security a few times - it can be so distressing for the women and the birth process, eh! GW _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
There has also been some loose affiliation between cystic fibrosis and cords with 2 vessels. Cheers Robyn D
