Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....

[brendamanning]

I have found, by 
& large, that (perhaps because) we are a nurturing & caring 
profession we tend to look after one another. 
We probably do most of 
our debriefing with our partners, friends & colleagues, as Janet says in 'an 
informal manner'. 
Our network offers formal 
debriefing & counselling should it be required, through a professional 
counselling service. 
I've never felt the need 
to go elsewhere myself to deal with work related issues, but I am speaking 
generally & don't profess to express the views of 
my peers.
 
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University 
  research.
  
  I've long thought this 
  should happen and I think some MWs have informal groups where they debrief. My 
  forums have a private CP section where great stuff happens and I'm sure there 
  are other places like that too. Is there are reason MWs haven't set this up 
  for themselves?
  Needs to be 
  encouraged!!!
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dleh71 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:21 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: University 
research.
Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a 
student midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support 
services for midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area 
to work in, and currently there seems very little support is available for 
midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses & Midwives Board, NSWNA, 
NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had 
very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the 
Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be 
e-based, phone, or in person.I thought someone might be able to 
help.Thankyou.Donna 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Bowman Family]

Title: Message



Kylie, it would be great if you can share your 
article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though 
you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your 
work.
Cheers Linda 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  & Jo 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor 
  information
  
  There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: 
  Macalister I think his name was?
  

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research 
regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I 
can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong 
pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  

Kylie Carberry Freelance 
Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
42970747

  
  From: Justine Caines 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List 
  Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 
  20:17:23 +1100
  Someone 
  here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving 
  that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas 
  done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced 
  the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There 
  is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a 
  continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references 
  in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines 
  on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See 
  www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns 
  reference??JCXx -- 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....

[Janet Fraser]

I've long thought this should 
happen and I think some MWs have informal groups where they debrief. My forums 
have a private CP section where great stuff happens and I'm sure there are other 
places like that too. Is there are reason MWs haven't set this up for 
themselves?
Needs to be 
encouraged!!!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dleh71 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: University 
  research.
  Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a 
  student midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support 
  services for midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area 
  to work in, and currently there seems very little support is available for 
  midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses & Midwives Board, NSWNA, 
  NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had 
  very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the 
  Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be 
  e-based, phone, or in person.I thought someone might be able to 
  help.Thankyou.Donna 
  Houghton.Message 
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[ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....

[Dleh71]

Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a student
midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support services for
midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area to work in,
and currently there seems very little support is available for
midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses & Midwives Board, NSWNA,
NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had
very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the
Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be
e-based, phone, or in person.I thought someone might be able to
help.Thankyou.Donna Houghton.



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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Dean & Jo]

Title: Message



There 
was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I 
think his name was?

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie 
  CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic 
  floor information
  
  Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research 
  regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can 
  only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic 
  floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
  Kylie Carberry Freelance 
  Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
  42970747
  

From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List 
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 
+1100
Someone here 
will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that 
type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done 
using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same 
rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book 
called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence 
expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. 
 The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S 
have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See 
www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns 
reference??JCXx -- 
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[ozmidwifery] RE: independent midwife for hospital support

[Miriam Hannay]

Hello all,

thanks for all your suggestions, I have passed them on
to my friend, who is feeling very positive about the
birth now after a few weeks of uncertainty and worry.

Special thanks to Andrea, I believe she will be
calling you over the next couple of days.

Will let you all know how it goes.

Thanks again,

Miriam



 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Thank you for that Anncheers
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From: Ann Grieve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:36:45 +1000Dear Kylie You need to talk to Avon Strahle who did some wonderful research on pelvic floors and continence last year. Her emailis as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Ann Grieve
Kylie Carberry wrote:

 Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises.  A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Ann Grieve]

Dear Kylie
You need to talk to Avon Strahle who did some wonderful research on
pelvic floors and continence last year. Her emailis as follows:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers
Ann Grieve
Kylie Carberry wrote:

 
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some
research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises. 
A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that
a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I
recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory,
but, of course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone
who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me
know.  Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
Best wishesKylie Carberry
Freelance Journalist
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m: +61 2 418220638
f: +61 2 42970747
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[ozmidwifery] Nice Guidelines postnatal care - 2nd consult

[Sally-Anne Brown]

  
  

  Fyi- 2nd consultation Feb 6-March 6 NICE guidelines 
  postnatal care
  SA
   
   
  Postnatal care: second consultation
  

  
  A clinical practice guideline on Postnatal care is 
  being developed for use in the NHS in England and Wales. Registered 
  stakeholders for the Postnatal care guideline are invited 
  to comment on the provisional guideline recommendations via this 
  website.
  Although individuals and organisations not registered as stakeholders 
  are able to comment, we recommend that you contact the registered 
  stakeholder organisation that most closely represents your interests and 
  pass your comments to them. We work closely with stakeholder organisations 
  and take their views very seriously.
  
List of registered stakeholders and information on the progress for 
this guideline topic - Click here 
  Note that the provisional guideline recommendations presented here 
  do not constitute the Institute's formal guidance on this guideline topic. 
  The recommendations are provisional and may change after 
  consultation.
  Consultation dates: 6th February - 6th March 2006
  Consultation documents:
  
Full version 
Appendices 
NICE version 
Information for the Public guide 
Comments proforma 
  The full version describes the evidence and 
  views that have been considered, and sets out the provisional guideline 
  recommendations that have been developed - these may have been revised in 
  the light of comments made during the first consultation period.
  The (NICE) short version presents the 
  provisional guideline recommendations only with some brief supporting 
  information. Again the recommendations may have been revised following the 
  first round of consultation. (It is the finalised short version that is 
  issued to the NHS as guidance.)
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  prepared to help people who may be affected by the guideline 
  recommendations understand what the provisional recommendations mean; this 
  information was not available during the first consultation period.
  Points to consider in the second consultation:
  During this consultation period, you may want to
  
Review the changes that have been made to the full guideline and/or 
the short version 
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REPORT ON BREAST FEEDING 
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document presents draft evidence-based recommendations for promoting 
the initiation and continuation of breastfeeding, particularly among 
population groups where breastfee

Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf

[Susan Cudlipp]

just another story to add to this thread. I had a 
friend some years ago who had a pretty awful forceps birth and sustained a 
severe vaginal lac - I was there and saw the extent of the damage. She did not 
heal well by first intent and the whole vaginal wall and peri re-opened. Had to 
go back in for repair at 3 months, I looked after bub for the day and fed it EBM 
while she was gone. No-one made any suggestion that she should stop feeding. 
Healed well after the repair and had 2nd bub a few years later without any 
trauma.
I can't understand the reasoning that this woman 
should wean her baby in order to undergo repair
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing"Edmund Burke

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:25 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery 
  and bf
  
  Dear Janet and all, 
  Just sharing a friend's experience of surgery and 
  b/feeding - no doubt just adds to the 'common sense' approach being 
  articulated on the list.
   
  After baby no 3 (all born at home in the US) 
  midwife notices a goitre and suggests again (as GP had missed it) to seek 
  medical advice.  Large tumour size of a golf ball found on thyroid.  
  Had only 2 weeks prep time before having tumour removed and radiation therapy 
  commenced soon after.  During radiation she had to be isolated for 2 
  weeks in hosi followed by a further 1-2 weeks at a friend's holiday farm to 
  recover and not be near her kids (radiation stuff).
  So at 10 weeks Baby A continued to 
  be breastfed as normal throughout whole hosi stay (surgery part) till 
  radiation commenced.  Her closest friends including sister-in-law who 
  also had a newborn pumped like mad for the 2 .5 weeks prior to radiation 
  starting (and kept going) and dad bottlefed bub the truck load of ebm until 
  mum came home just under 4 weeks later.  Baby A took to the breast like a 
  hand to a glove and Baby No 4 also born at home in water 3 odd yrs 
  later.  Mum well - healed beutifully- no further probs ... thanks to her 
  loving midwife, family and friends.  
   
  Makes you wonder though why they do so many 
  caesers if a woman can't heal cos she's breastfeeding...Might be good to write to this OB and thank them for giving 
  us such a valuable piece of info for the 'campaign'.. :)
   
  Sally-Anne
  xo
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery 
and bf

Hi all,
a woman with horrific 
injuries inflicted during a ventouse has been told she can't have repair 
surgery unless she weans her 4 month old and waits 3 months. Her labia was 
torn off on one side, right up to her clitoris and she can barely walk, is 
on strong pain killers and the only thing she *can* do is bf. Her life has 
been shattered by this so she really needs surgery.
Thoughts, 
please?
TIA,
J
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growing roses. You have to marvel at the ones that just open up and bloom at 
the first kiss of the sun but you wouldn't dream of pulling open the petals 
of the tightly closed buds and forcing them to blossom to your time line. 

 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney?

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney?



Oh Dear Emily be sure to keep the faith!!!

JC
xx

Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening

[Susan Cudlipp]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening



I don't know much about this and also tend to kill 
plants!!
But one of my colleagues takes home unwanted 
placentae for her roses - I will ask her what she does to them, apparently her 
garden is lovely
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing"Edmund Burke

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] placental 
  gardening
  Dear AllI can vouch for the following 
  plantsCamellia in a pot (very happy) 1st babe 6.5 years 
  agoGrevillea (grew like bloody wildfire)  nearly 5 years 
  oldDavid Austin old world Rose  Only a bit sad due to drought and 
  a forgotten area of the yard - um ma! (3 years old)Now what to plant 
  for the twins? Yes HUGE placenta.  I have a huge garden but virtually no 
  space.  I am thinking of something with a double flower (yes I like 
  matching and all that cutesy meaning stuff!!), suggestions??I planted 
  the plant and placenta at the same time but the Camellia was originally in the 
  ground.  I gave the placenta a fair bit of space below the root ball of 
  the plant.I am a keen gardener (yet don’t know too much) and I would 
  think as a rule anything that likes blood and bone should do fine.  A 
  native (like a Grevillea) should be an exception.  I think Mary’s advice 
  re staged planting is very sound.Perhaps ask what plants like rich 
  soil and blood and bone type additions.Justine6 HB babes all 
  with/to have planted placentas  (and I said placenta planting was ‘hippy’ 
  when first introduced to HB rituals, Ah how we eat our 
  words!)
  
  

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Sorry Lara, not sure what you mean? Drop me an email off-list at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lara
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas /
Birth Attendants

Kelly @ BellyBelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My forums aren't about making money; they are about education and
> empowerment :-) So anyone wanting to make a difference is more than
welcome.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kelly Zantey
> Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au 

Hi Kelly,

Do you mind me enquiring as to whether Bellybelly has changed its stance
on non-Code-compliant advertising?

Lara
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants

[Lara]

Kelly @ BellyBelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My forums aren't about making money; they are about education and
> empowerment :-) So anyone wanting to make a difference is more than welcome.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kelly Zantey
> Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au 

Hi Kelly,

Do you mind me enquiring as to whether Bellybelly has changed its stance
on non-Code-compliant advertising?

Lara
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Independent Midwife for Hospital Support

[brendamanning]

Miriam,
Has she actually asked the midwives in the midwives led program if they'd do 
a private birth support ? Often midwives don't offer but are willing to 
support a woman if asked.


With kind regards
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Independent Midwife for Hospital Support


Mim there is a woman called Julie McCauley i think is her name but I dont 
know where she is now...get your friend to try to find where she is she 
was Gippsland based, she did homebirth a few years back, was my midwife 
with my first baby

Belinda

Miriam Hannay wrote:


Hello Listers,

I am putting out feelers for a friend who is 37+ weeks
with her first babe. Her little one is frank breech,
had unsuccessful ECV this week.

She is birthing at West Gippsland Hospital and has
been attending the midwife led programme there. Now
she has graduated to a 'high risk' pregnancy, she has
been referred to an OB who is happy for her to birth
naturally. He even gave her a copy of 'Breech Birth
Woman Wise' to take home to read!!

Although she obviously has a supportive OB, she is
really keen for additional support and thought there
might be a midwife in the area who would be willing to
take her on. She is not looking for a home birth but
someone who will give her women-centred support and
information regarding her birth. Any takers?

Thanks in advance,

Miriam (3rd year Bmid FUSA)


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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

I found the research easy, Justine, just by adding 'nuns' to the google search along with 'pelvic floor' :)
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From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100
Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Kylie Carberry]

Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns!  It would be perfect to use that.  I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it.  
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From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100
Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information



Someone here will probably know Kylie

But the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continence
Was done using Nuns (yes Nuns).  It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!

There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it.  The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc.  See www.nice.org
Anyone have the Nuns reference??

JC
Xx

FW: [ozmidwifery] article FYI

[Vedrana Valčić]

Kylie, here it is:

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of leanne wynne
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:02 AM
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] article FYI

Vaginal Birth Not Linked to Urinary Incontinence

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 30 - Compared with their nulliparous sisters, 
women who have given birth vaginally are not at increased risk for urinary 
incontinence, according to a report in the December issue of Obstetrics and 
Gynecology. Rather, familial factors seem to play an important role in 
determining risk.

Previous reports looking at the association between vaginal birth and 
incontinence have been plagued by various methodologic issues, such as the 
use of unvalidated self-report survey instruments and making no distinction 
between the various types of urinary incontinence or disease severity.

In the present study, Dr. Gunhilde M. Buchsbaum, from the University of 
Rochester Medical Center in New York, and colleagues used a comprehensive 
questionnaire to assess pelvic floor disorders in 143 pairs of 
nulliparous/parous postmenopausal sisters. Clinical evaluation of urinary 
incontinence and genital prolapse was conducted in 101 of the pairs.

The rate of urinary incontinence among the parous women was 49.7%, not 
significantly higher than the 47.6% rate seen among the nulliparous women, 
the authors state. Moreover, the type of incontinence and disease severity 
did not differ significantly between the groups.

The same urinary status seen in one sister was often present in the other, 
suggesting that there is an underlying familial disposition toward urinary 
incontinence.

"A genetic predisposition for urinary incontinence needs to be explored 
further because finding a genetic link to this condition would have great 
implications for the direction of basic research, treatment approaches, risk 
management, and potential prophylactic interventions," the authors state.

Obstet Gynecol 2005;106:1253-1258.



Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862


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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[adamnamy]

I recall reading something in the Australian
and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology mid last year about
pelvic floor and what actually does the damage.  You could try a search- Odd
place though it might seem to find supportive information.

Good Luck,

Amy

 

 









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floor information



 




Hi All,

I was
wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am
doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises.  A lot of
women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened
pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section.  I recall, some time
last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot
remember where I read it.  If there is anyone who can help me
out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.  Any other
thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.

Best
wishes



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RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information

[Vedrana Valčić]

I think there was some research that c-section does not prevent incontinence, 
as previously thought. Would that be of any help, Kylie?

Vedrana

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:25 AM
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Skipping isn't bad either if you don't have a trampoline on tap.

cheers
Judy

--- Megan & Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises,
> including men.
>  
> My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer and I told
> him to start
> and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with his
> recovery. He
> told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an
> excellent idea.
> Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his "weeing"
> just from this
> and did have a good recovery.
>  
> Anyway, just my two bits,
>  
> Megan
>  
> PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong
> your pelvic floor
> is, or isn't as you may find out. Hehehehe
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Kylie Carberry
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction
> with some
> research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic
> floor exercises.
> A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy
> OB's - that a
> weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section. 
> I recall,
> some time last year, reading an article disproving this
> theory, but, of
> course cannot remember where I read it.  If there is anyone
> who can help me
> out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know.
>  Any other
> thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Kylie Carberry 
> Freelance Journalist 
> p: +61 2 42970115 
> m: +61 2 418220638 
> f: +61 2 42970747
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RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf

[Vedrana Valčić]

Yes, I searched the net for some info and found out that placenta produces 
estrogen. After birth, high levels of estrogen inhibit milk production. Your 
question is quite interesting. Really, would such an operation be advisable on 
post menopausal women?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf

Actually my understanding is that estrogen levels would be FAR higher at birth 
(and presumably soon after) than once breastfeeding is established. Certainly 
my own estrogen level was post menopausal during breastfeeding. That said 
surely post menopausal women have surgery too?

At 2:57 PM +0100 21/2/06, Vedrana Valãiç wrote:
>How come episiotomies heal then? Are oestrogen levels then higher than later 
>on?
>
>Vedrana
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson
>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM
>To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
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>
>I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum 
>stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying 
>it like she's only getting it done for looks!!)
>
>Jo
>
>On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote:
>
>> She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her 
>> system mean
>> her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf 
>> blamed for
>> most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to 
>> me.
>> :(
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM
>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on
>>> surgery?  I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a 
>>> plastic
>>> surgeon also.
>>> Maxine
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