RE: [ozmidwifery] the Devine Response!
concerned primarily for the health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother has a fulfilling experience in childbirth Yeah. If baby is alive, and mommy is alive, what else in the world could they want? Nothing else matters. Talk about holistic care. Just forget what you wanted, all that matters is that you and your child are alive. Youll forget about the rest the minute your child is born. Heard all those things (I dont want to be rude and use another word) before. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:21 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] the Devine Response! Hi All, Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her can I? Dear Diane: As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I am not the only person who does not consider her research to be proof of anything except the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk births. RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources at Gosford and Wyong. Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are entitled to the very best medical intervention possible. I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't like to see the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy to provide that care, as happened with Camden. I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. I have approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily for the health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly patriarchal medical establishment has too much power. Miranda Devine The Sydney Morning Herald The Sun-Herald 201 Sussex Street Sydney 2000 02 9282-1102
RE: [ozmidwifery] the Devine Response!
Diane perhaps pointing out that the ongoing health of the mother and baby are very much related to whether the mother has had a fulfilling experience in childbirth unhappy mothers do not make for well mothers or well babies (ie PND, breastfeeding failure, relationship difficulties etc). Maxine From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 5:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] the Devine Response! Hi All, Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her can I? Dear Diane: As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I am not the only person who does not consider her research to be proof of anything except the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk births. RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources at Gosford and Wyong. Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are entitled to the very best medical intervention possible. I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't like to see the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy to provide that care, as happened with Camden. I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. I have approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily for the health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly patriarchal medical establishment has too much power. Miranda Devine The Sydney Morning Herald The Sun-Herald 201 Sussex Street Sydney 2000 02 9282-1102
Re: [ozmidwifery] the Devine Response!
I have to agree as someone who sees the evidence of PTSD every day around me in too many women. Don't healthy babies deserve healthy mothers? And how is a baby going to be parented in 6 months time when the mother is going under with PTSD? Or if she kills herself?Let alone how that "healthy" mother with her belly gaping or her vagina ripped open is supposed to care for that baby in the first place? The "healthy baby" myth is designed to keep us from complaining about medically sanctioned rape. I can just imagine Miranda's face if I said that to her. *rolls eyes* Sigh. J - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response! Diane perhaps pointing out that the ongoing health of the mother and baby are very much related to whether the mother has had a fulfilling experience in childbirth unhappy mothers do not make for well mothers or well babies (ie PND, breastfeeding failure, relationship difficulties etc). Maxine From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Monday, 27 February 2006 5:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response! Hi All, Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her can I? Dear Diane:As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I am not the only person who does not consider her research to be "proof" of anything except the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk births.RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources at Gosford and Wyong.Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are entitled to the very best medical intervention possible.I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't like to see the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy to provide that care, as happened with Camden.I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. I have approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily for the health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly patriarchal medical establishment has too much power.Miranda DevineThe Sydney Morning Herald The Sun-Herald201 Sussex StreetSydney 22 9282-1102
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Making a Difference
Hi, Still (just) time to register for the Australian Breastfeeding Association's 1 day seminar "Breastfeeding Making a Difference" We are still getting a lot of phone enquiries. there's just time to book on the web www.lrc.asn.au before the registrations close (because the caters need to know) Great International and local speakers, including Elizabeth Pantley (no cry sleep solution) Alsion Barrett from NZ (Why Birth matters to Breastfeeding and Xtreme Breastfeeding - feeding the older child) Catherine Watson Genna (Anatomical contributions to infant sucking) Apparently an outstanding presentation. www.lrc.asn.au Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 2Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Making a Difference
You will LOVE Alison Barrett - a director of obstets at Waikato Womens - VERY natural birth/ attachment parenting - leading push to have mums and bubs together at all times/ kangaroo care / La leche league leader/ LC etc etc . I asked a midwife there 'how does she cut it with the 'boys?' ( male obs) - the answer, "she runs rings around them professionally so they dont have a leg to stand on" Shes a real normal hilarious mum of 4 kids and still BF her 4 year oldso can relate to women's experience of normal birth and mothering. Pinky - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Making a Difference Hi, Still (just) time to register for the Australian Breastfeeding Association's 1 day seminar "Breastfeeding Making a Difference" We are still getting a lot of phone enquiries. there's just time to book on the web www.lrc.asn.au before the registrations close (because the caters need to know) Great International and local speakers, including Elizabeth Pantley (no cry sleep solution) Alsion Barrett from NZ (Why Birth matters to Breastfeeding and Xtreme Breastfeeding - feeding the older child) Catherine Watson Genna (Anatomical contributions to infant sucking) Apparently an outstanding presentation. www.lrc.asn.au Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 2Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch the Today Show - Tuesday
She's awful, isn't she. I wrote a rather long, rather strongly worded email after seeing her on there this morning. - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Watch the Today Show - Tuesday Dear all, Be sure to watch the channel 9 Today Show on Tuesday Tizz.ie Hall is on Tuesday the 28th of February at 8:20 am. Perhaps about her new sleep book which is being released, this is what I am guessing. Be sure to watch. Oh and you might like to know that the Today Shows email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;) Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Watch the Today Show - Tuesday
I think someone seemed a little (well maybe A LOT!) nervous and rightly so And I know who wrote that email too, so it was great to see one being read out, from someone I know! J I also think that they decided to change the interview format given the circumstances. There is a lot of discussion about it on my forums about some contradictory points in her interview with her own beliefs. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felicity Dowker Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:19 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch the Today Show - Tuesday She's awful, isn't she. I wrote a rather long, rather strongly worded email after seeing her on there this morning. - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Watch the Today Show - Tuesday Dear all, Be sure to watch the channel 9 Today Show on Tuesday Tizz.ie Hall is on Tuesday the 28th of February at 8:20 am. Perhaps about her new sleep book which is being released, this is what I am guessing. Be sure to watch. Oh and you might like to know that the Today Shows email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
It may also have to do with completely different diets. In Australia it might be due to the fact that they have found Australian women are lacking greatly in folic acidas we do not eat enough foods that contain folic acid. Whereas in Finland they may have found iron for the majority of pregnant women is the problem (high fish diet, low in red meat?). From what I was told to take (still pregnant but past 12 week stage) th dose was .05mg I think? Amanda - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 2/27/2006
