[ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans
being performed.

 

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[jo]

HH! Anyone else screaming at the
tv

 

jo

 









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Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births



 

FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans
being performed.

 

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Jo Watson]

OOH, can someone please provide a rundown on this for us not in Victoria?  Or do you think there will be a transcript?Thanks,JoOn 10/07/2006, at 4:32 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Yup. *sigh*

 



Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly
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On Behalf Of jo
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Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births



 

HH! Anyone else screaming at the
tv

 

jo

 









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On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today
Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births



 

FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans
being performed.

 

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Ceri & Katrina]

I caught the story in NSW, it started so well I thought!

but I ended up screaming also!!!

Katrina

On 10/07/2006, at 7:34 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:

Yup. *sigh*
 

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
 Creator,  
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

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HH! Anyone else screaming at the tv
 
jo
 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
 
FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed.
 

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
 Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Susan Cudlipp]

Any chance of a transcript?
Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ceri 
  & Katrina 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight 
  (VIC) Caesarean Births
  I caught the story in NSW, it started so well I 
  thought!but I ended up screaming also!!!KatrinaOn 
  10/07/2006, at 7:34 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:
  Yup. *sigh* Best 
Regards,Kelly 
ZanteyCreator, 
BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From 
Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
Birth Support 
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births HH! 
Anyone else screaming at the tv jo From: 
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Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
[ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births FYI 
there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed. Best 
Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to 
ParenthoodBellyBelly 
Birth Support - 
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support 
  
  

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[ozmidwifery] Internet use in Pregnancy Questionnaire (Follow-up)

[Briege Lagan]

Dear colleagues  Just over one month ago I sent an email to the group inviting midwives (including students) who had direct clinical contact with pregnant women to complete an online questionnaire on Internet use in pregnancy.   I am sending this follow up email to thank those who have already completed the questionnaire and to invite any others who meet the criteria (i.e. direct clinical contact with pregnant women) to complete the questionnaire.  By entering or clicking on the web address: http://www.science.ulster.ac.uk/survey/blagan_p1.html and then clicking on the link 'Internet use in Pregnancy Questionnaire' will take you directly to the questionnaire.Many thanks
 for reading this and your support.       Apologies to those for whom it may not be relevant.Kind regards  Briege   (PhD Student/Clinical Midwife Specialist) 
		 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Lisa Gierke]

Title: Message



Janet 
am well aware of the imperfections in technologies used around birth - but I 
think we need to be careful when we make broad statements about things such as 
'anyone whos of any worth nows that low liquor means bubs is on the way 
shortly'- because this is untrue! It could lead to the very thing that I think 
Heidi was trying to get at about the little bit of knowledge thing.woman 
reads that on a list like this who has low liquor AND IUGR etcI was 
interested in research that showed that this was the case, I guess not just the 
opinion of an American doula but thats OK have done my own lit r/v and answered 
my own questions!!
Regards Lisa

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet 
  FraserSent: Friday, 7 July 2006 7:30 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor 
  was Trial of scar
  Lower liquor (and 
  remember we measure VERY imperfectly) is normal at term - 
  this is different from earlier in pregnancy.
  Biophysical profiling is supposed 
  to give this kind of information but is deeply flawed. To whit:
  Suspect Diagnoses Come with 
  Biophysical Profilinghttp://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/biophysical.asp
  - Original Message - 

  From: "Lisa Gierke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:32 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor 
  was Trial of scar
  Am resending this as didn't come thru" on my 
  email. lisaJanet could you please provide us with some references 
  on the low liquorthing? My understanding and experience is that in some 
  cases of severegrowth restriction, low liquor is concerning, obviously 
  this would beassessed along with other measures of fetal wellbeing. But if 
  one has a IUGRfetus who has placental insufficieny, poor growth and low 
  liqour volumes;you have a baby that is at risk of adverse perinatal 
  outcomes such as IUFDetc.A decsion needs to be made between IOL and 
  further inutero monitoring.We need to be careful we are not normalising 
  the pathological!Lisa-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Friday, 7 July 2006 1:22 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Trial of 
  ScarIt just stands to reason, doesn't it, that a muscle that 
  stretches so far inpregnancy wouldn't be as thick as it is when empty! And 
  yes, like everyonesays, if those women weren't being carved up no one 
  could come out with thatcrap. It's a bit like the "We have to induce for 
  low liquor" rubbish wheneveryone who's read anything of worth knows that 
  low liquor means bubs is onthe way shortly... Pathologising the utterly 
  normal, again!: )J--This mailing list is sponsored by 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Ceri & Katrina]

not able to find a transcript on the siteGrrr


On 11/07/2006, at 12:16 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:

Any chance of a transcript?Sue- Original Message -
From: Ceri & Katrina 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

I caught the story in NSW, it started so well I thought!

but I ended up screaming also!!!

Katrina

On 10/07/2006, at 7:34 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:

Yup. *sigh*
 

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

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Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 7:01 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
 
HH! Anyone else screaming at the tv
 
jo
 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
 
FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed.
 

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Mary Murphy]

Title: Message








You are correct. Prenatal testing is imperfect. 
The problem is that women are led to believe that it is and action is taken on
the results. It is the doctors who should be careful about making broad
statements.  I recently attended a lecture on biophysical profiling given
by a doctor doing her Masters in U/S prenatal diagnosis.  She stated that
the biophysical profiling was just like a snapshot in time.  It could not
predict what would happen tomorrow, nor next week.  Just at the moment it
was taken; obviously research is done and extrapolated to the wider group of
similar women and that is what we rely on.  By the way, Gloria Lemay is a
very experienced American midwife.  She may be referred to as a doula for
legal reasons, but she would put most of us to shame with her knowledge and
experience. She is also very politically savvy as she has fought for the rights
of birthing women for sooo long.  She has also spent time in jail because
of her outspoken views.  Do not dismiss her opinions so lightly. MM

 













Janet am well aware of the imperfections
in technologies used around birth - but I think we need to be careful when we
make broad statements.







Lower liquor (and remember we measure VERY imperfectly) is normal at term
- this is different from earlier in pregnancy.





Biophysical
profiling is supposed to give this kind of information but is deeply flawed. To
whit:





Suspect
Diagnoses Come with Biophysical Profiling
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/biophysical.asp





- Original
Message - 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Lisa Gierke]

Title: Message



Mary I 
was not 'dismissing" the opinions of Gloria Lemay, and I am aware of her 
background. What I was saying is that I wished to have hard facts 
not opinions  on the comments in regards to the liquor thing! If it 
were an opinion from an obstetrician we would be shooting  it down in 
flames! I completely agree with the article, and I am well aware of the stuff on 
biophysical profiles; in the unit I work in it is no longer used as it once was. 
My points were that such a broad statement should be clarified.Completely agree 
with  you Mary on the fact that women are led to believe that they require 
intervention from the results  of antenatal tests...I am trying to take the 
middle road here...such a broad  unsupported statement could lead a woman 
to believe that the current management of her pregnancy is incorrect because she 
read on this list of very experienced midwives and doulas that decreased liqour 
was only due to imminent labour. Lisa

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary 
  MurphySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 9:10 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor 
  was Trial of scar
  
  You are correct. 
  Prenatal testing is imperfect.  The problem is that women are led to 
  believe that it is and action is taken on the results. It is the doctors who 
  should be careful about making broad statements.  I recently attended a 
  lecture on biophysical profiling given by a doctor doing her Masters in U/S 
  prenatal diagnosis.  She stated that the biophysical profiling was just 
  like a snapshot in time.  It could not predict what would happen 
  tomorrow, nor next week.  Just at the moment it was taken; obviously 
  research is done and extrapolated to the wider group of similar women and that 
  is what we rely on.  By the way, Gloria Lemay is a very experienced 
  American midwife.  She may be referred to as a doula for legal reasons, 
  but she would put most of us to shame with her knowledge and experience. She 
  is also very politically savvy as she has fought for the rights of birthing 
  women for sooo long.  She has also spent time in jail because of her 
  outspoken views.  Do not dismiss her opinions so lightly. 
  MM
   
  
  
  
  
  
  Janet am well aware 
  of the imperfections in technologies used around birth - but I think we need 
  to be careful when we make broad statements.
  

Lower liquor (and remember we 
measure VERY imperfectly) is normal at term - this is 
different from earlier in pregnancy.

Biophysical 
profiling is supposed to give this kind of information but is deeply flawed. 
To whit:

Suspect 
Diagnoses Come with Biophysical Profilinghttp://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/biophysical.asp

- 
Original Message - 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Mary Murphy]

Title: Message








Point taken.  We are all so passionate and like the women feel
we need to dddooo something!  BuT what??? REGARDS, mm

 













..I am trying to take the middle road
here...such a broad  unsupported statement could lead a woman to believe
that the current management of her pregnancy is incorrect because she read on
this list of very experienced midwives and doulas that decreased liqour was
only due to imminent labour. Lisa





-Original Message-
From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 9:10
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Low
liquor was Trial of scar

You are correct. Prenatal testing is imperfect. 
The problem is that women are led to believe that it is and action is taken on
the results. It is the doctors who should be careful about making broad
statements.  I recently attended a lecture on biophysical profiling given
by a doctor doing her Masters in U/S prenatal diagnosis.  She stated that
the biophysical profiling was just like a snapshot in time.  It could not
predict what would happen tomorrow, nor next week.  Just at the moment it
was taken; obviously research is done and extrapolated to the wider group of
similar women and that is what we rely on.  By the way, Gloria Lemay is a
very experienced American midwife.  She may be referred to as a doula for
legal reasons, but she would put most of us to shame with her knowledge and
experience. She is also very politically savvy as she has fought for the rights
of birthing women for sooo long.  She has also spent time in jail because
of her outspoken views.  Do not dismiss her opinions so lightly. MM

 













Janet am well aware of the imperfections
in technologies used around birth - but I think we need to be careful when we
make broad statements.







Lower liquor (and remember we measure VERY imperfectly) is normal at term
- this is different from earlier in pregnancy.





Biophysical profiling
is supposed to give this kind of information but is deeply flawed. To whit:





Suspect
Diagnoses Come with Biophysical Profiling
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/biophysical.asp





- Original
Message - 

[ozmidwifery] tV tonight

[Megan & Larry]

Title: tV tonight






Hi, 

I saw that SBS has a show/documentary on toinght at 7.30 about miscarriage and follows 3 women and their experiences,  including info from a leading expert, Professor Lesley Regan from the UK.

Might be of interest to some

Cheers 

Megan

[ozmidwifery] NICE Intrapartum care guidelines -draft

[Lisa Gierke]

 Has anyone read these?
Lisa


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RE: [ozmidwifery] NICE Intrapartum care guidelines -draft

[Debbie Slater]

I've downloaded a copy, but at 600+ pages I haven't got around to reading it
yet:-)


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Stephen & Felicity]

Title: Message



Lisa,
 
"such a broad  unsupported statement could lead a woman to 
believe that the current management of her pregnancy is incorrect because she 
read on this list of very experienced midwives and doulas that decreased liqour 
was only due to imminent labour."
 
Well, since women aren't 
morons, and pregnancy is not really an issue of "management" but rather CARE and 
SUPPORT, I don't think we need to fear that a woman reading research, evidence 
and opinion and making her own decisions will truly be endangered by 
"a little bit of knowledge" - if she is able to enjoy true control of her own 
pregnancy and birth and receive true care and support.  Besides which I 
personally find no flaw in Janet's reasoning and statement; it's accurate.  
And this is a consumer list as much as it is a Midwife and Doula 
list.
 
"Mary I was not 
'dismissing" the opinions of Gloria Lemay, and I am aware of her 
background."
 
Gloria Lemay's wisdom, 
experience and evidence based knowledge is not "the opinion of an American 
Doula" (I don't know of many women with more claim to the title of MIDWIFE than 
Gloria!) - besides which, I'm intrigued as to why an American Doula's 
contributions would hold little weight anyway?  If you ARE in fact aware of 
her background (as well as the fact that she can see and post on this list), I 
would have thought you would have at least phrased your dismissal more 
respectfully.  I also feel sad that wisdom, intuition, instinct and common 
sense are rejected and that Midwives will disregard the hard won wisdom of 
their own (Gloria made some colossal personal sacrifices in honour of TRULY 
being with woman and providing REAL support and care).
 
Where is our respect for 
our real crones and our birthing women's innate wisdom?
 
And I wouldn't "shoot an 
opinion from an Obstetrician down in flames" if that opinion was accurate, fair, 
woman-centered, evidence-based, and reasonable.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was Trial of scar

[Melissa Singer]

Title: Message



I didn't think Lisa was dismissive of Gloria, and I 
thought she made a valid and well stated point, which has encouraged debate, 
discussion and further thought.  Thanks Lisa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stephen & 
  Felicity 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Low liquor was 
  Trial of scar
  
  Lisa,
   
  "such a broad  unsupported statement could lead a woman to 
  believe that the current management of her pregnancy is incorrect because she 
  read on this list of very experienced midwives and doulas that decreased 
  liqour was only due to imminent labour."
   
  Well, since women aren't 
  morons, and pregnancy is not really an issue of "management" but rather CARE 
  and SUPPORT, I don't think we need to fear that a woman reading research, 
  evidence and opinion and making her own decisions will truly be 
  endangered by "a little bit of knowledge" - if she is able to enjoy true 
  control of her own pregnancy and birth and receive true care and 
  support.  Besides which I personally find no flaw in Janet's reasoning 
  and statement; it's accurate.  And this is a consumer list as much as it 
  is a Midwife and Doula list.
   
  "Mary I was not 
  'dismissing" the opinions of Gloria Lemay, and I am aware of her 
  background."
   
  Gloria Lemay's wisdom, 
  experience and evidence based knowledge is not "the opinion of an American 
  Doula" (I don't know of many women with more claim to the title of MIDWIFE 
  than Gloria!) - besides which, I'm intrigued as to why an American Doula's 
  contributions would hold little weight anyway?  If you ARE in fact aware 
  of her background (as well as the fact that she can see and post on this 
  list), I would have thought you would have at least phrased your 
  dismissal more respectfully.  I also feel sad that wisdom, intuition, 
  instinct and common sense are rejected and that Midwives will disregard 
  the hard won wisdom of their own (Gloria made some colossal personal 
  sacrifices in honour of TRULY being with woman and providing REAL support and 
  care).
   
  Where is our respect for 
  our real crones and our birthing women's innate wisdom?
   
  And I wouldn't "shoot an 
  opinion from an Obstetrician down in flames" if that opinion was accurate, 
  fair, woman-centered, evidence-based, and 
reasonable.

[ozmidwifery] ALCA

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

I was checking out some links to find some Lactation
Consultants in Sydney
and I came across this link: http://www.alca.asn.au
– does anyone know much about this association? I know many women on this
list are also lactation consultants but the list here doesn’t seem very
big, is there a reason why? 

 

Also, can anyone recommend a fabulous LC in Sydney (CDB or
inner west) to help a mum with bleeding nipples?

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

[ozmidwifery] alca

[Grant and Louise McLeod]

 Kelly, I would say that is a membership list for alca. You could try www.iblce.edu .au for a list of ibclc's. I'm an lc and not a member of alca ( maybe next year I keep saying, midwives assn, nurses assn, aba.) costs too much!!!
Louise
in the countryside
 
 
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