Re: [ozmidwifery] full moon

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Dear Kerreen,
Here is one:
The "Christmas Effect" and Other Biometeorologic Influences on
Childbearing and the Health of Women Sandra K. Cesario, RNC, PhD

J Obstet Gynecol Neonatal Nurs 2002 31: 526-535 

Objective: To review the body of literature addressing
biometeorologic and chronobiologic effects on conception,
pregnancy, parturition, and other health conditions.

Data Sources: Computerized searches of MEDLINE, PUBMED,
CINAHL, and the World Wide Web. 
Study Selection: Studies, including international
research, dating from 1938 to 2001. 
Data Extraction: Data were extracted and information
organized under the following categories: influence of leisure
time and seasonality on the rate of conception and birth, the
relationship of meteorologic changes and lunar cycles to
childbearing, the "Christmas Effect" and its impact
on other health outcomes, and nursing implications.

Data Synthesis: Research from the disciplines of
biometeorology and chronobiology indicates that there are
patterns in the occurrence of conception, pregnancy, and onset
of labor that vary in timing and amplitude in different
populations and geographic regions. Consideration of these
factors should be included in the analysis of birth data when
planning and providing maternity care. The Christmas Effect is
one of the most predominant seasonal patterns that can be seen
in birth data throughout the world. 
Conclusions: Biometeorologic and other cyclic phenomena
are underused in the United States in planning and providing
maternity care. These phenomena warrant consideration when
planning holistic health care. 

Let me know if you are having problems accessing the full
text.  
Take care
Alphia
At 04:34 PM 15/11/2005, Kerreen Reiger wrote:
Hi all
Does any one have information on actual studies of the effect of the full
moon on  birth? I've heard anecdotally  that more babies arrive
then etc, and searched google which produced snippets relating to the
tides. Any other comments from you  wise people? 
(I am in New York with my  daughter awaiting a baby taking its time
to arrive and the full moon is tomorrow! She's booked with  a
midwife at a birth centre and hopes not to be induced at the end of the
week!)
cheers
Kerreen
 
 
 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Kathleen Fahy article in Weekend Australian...

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

cupational
status for midwives. Midwives are safe, effective and
cost-effective providers of childbirth care and they should be supported
by the government via Medicare rebates and indemnity insurance.
Women would then be free to choose their maternity care providers without
financial penalty. As adult citizens, women should have the right to
choose. As professionals, midwives should have the right to provide
maternity care to the full legal scope of their practice.
Kathleen Fahy is professor of midwifery at the University of
Newcastle and president of The College of Nursing
LOAD-DATE: August 19, 2005 


At 07:53 PM 21/08/2005, you wrote:
Unfortunately
not available electronically, but titled “Midwifery is safe, and access a
right” what a wonderful comment on women’s rights and the sad state of
affairs here in Australia where most midwives do not, and are not allowed
to work truly as midwives, encompassing the full extent of our legislated
practice guidelines.  She challenges Doctors to provide research
evidence from randomized controlled trials to prove that midwifery care
is not safe, and states that doctors shouldn’t have a government mandated
monopoly on provision of care for pregnant women.  She goes on to
say that women should be free to choose their maternity care providers
without financial penalty, and that as professional, midwives should have
the right to provide maternity care to the full legal scope of their
practice. 
 
Three cheers for Kathleen Fahy!
 
Tania

Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
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School of Applied and Human Sciences
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UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
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Phone: 02 97726628
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[ozmidwifery] in need of contact details

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Hi everyone,
I hope that everyone is well.  I was hoping that someone could help
me out with some contact details (email if possible) I need.  I am
currently organizing a workshop and need contact details for the
following individuals:
Carol Fallows
Sue Kildea
Jenny Parratt
Cherrell Hirst
and Carolyn Hastie.
I know that some of you are on the list if you could contact me off of
list I can provide you with further details.
Sorry to be a pain
Thanks and take care
Alphia

Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
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[ozmidwifery] one last one

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Sorry for giving this information in dribs and drabs - but there are many
articles that deal with the impact of media and health - I am trying to
make them relevant specifically to women's health and reproductive
issues.  Following is an article from an Australian researcher into
media and women's health - if you go to the bibliography you will find
some good references in there as well.
Shugg, J. and P. Liamputtong (2002). "Being Female: The Portrayal of
Women's Health in Print Media." Health care for Women
International 23(6-7): 715-728.


Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
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[ozmidwifery] media

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Sorry about the blurb on the bottom of my previous email - When I copy
and pasted information from my End Note program that came along with
it!
Take care
Alphia

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NSW 1797 Australia
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Media

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Another media one that is quite good:
Tsing, A. (1990). Monster stories: women charges with perinatal
endangerment. Uncertain Terms: Negotiating Gender in American
Culture. F. Ginsburg, Tsing. A. Boston, MA., Beacon Press.

Alphia

Re: [ozmidwifery] Media

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Hope this is of help:
Lupton, D. and J. McLean (1998). "Representing doctors: 
Discourses and images in the Australian press." Social Science
& Medicine 46(8): 947.
Lupton, D. (1998). "Doctors in the News Media: Lay and Medical
Audiences' Responses." Journal of Sociology 34(1):
35-48.

Lay, M. M., Gurak, L.J., Gravon, C., Myntii, C., Ed. (2000). Body
Talk: Rhetoric, Technology, Reproduction. Wisconsin, University of
Wisconsin Press.  There are some good chapters in this.
Take care
Alphia
Each
society has its own consensual understanding of birth & its
determinants: caregivers, location, participants, & loci of decision
making, which in the Western world are based on biomedical knowledge.
However, two competing cultural models of childbirth, the
biomedical/technocratic model & natural/holistic model, mediate
women's choices & preferences for the place & caregiver in
childbirth. This article explores the way in which these cultural models
of birth & the existing practical possibilities for choices shape
women's & men's understanding of home birth. Based on interviews with
21 Finnish women & 12 Finnish men, the reasons for & experiences
of planning & building toward a home birth are examined through an
analysis of birth narratives. The analysis focuses especially on the
women's definitions of what is "natural" & their
relationship with health services where biomedical practices &
knowledge are the norm. The analysis shows that the notion of
"natural birth" holds various meanings in Finnish women's
narratives namely self-determination, control, & trust in one's
intuition. I seek to demonstrate that just as the biomedical management
of childbirth exhibits distinct cross-cultural variation, so also does
resistance to biomedical hegemony, as such resistance is strongly
embedded in the local sociocultural situation. 41 References. Adapted
from the source document.
Reports of
incidents and issues related to members of the medical profession and the
practice of medicine often feature in the western news media.  Such
intense coverage has incited the interest of both medical sociologists
and members of the profession themselves.  Thus far, however, very
few detailed studies addressing the tenor of news reporting on the
medical profession have been published, particularly in relation to the
Australian media.


At 05:49 PM 4/06/2005, you wrote:
Hi everyone
I am wondering if anyone has any articles or references that could help
with how the media influences women's perceptions of childbirth and
pregnancy?? I am doing a seminar presentation for uni, and have some
articles (10) at this stage, but searching the databases last night did
not prove to be very forthcoming with articles.
Thanks
Katrina
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Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

I hope I didnt come across the wrong way - Lets just say i have mind
burnout - but I totally agree with you Pinky!  I think in essence we
are really talking about the same thing.
Have to go and teach
Take care everyone
Alphia

At 09:32 PM 14/03/2005, you wrote:
Dear
Pinky I and many others on this list do not feel you are making tnuous
links as we also make them.
there is a saying Peace at Birth
Pece on Earth and 
I make that big leap every 
If we can se our kids as som-one that we need to fear why should this not
extend to others in our culture who make demands on us for
understanding.
If we can put our children as babies away with strangers why not ignore
or lock up other vulnerable demanding people particualary those who do
not show deference to us & our values like those who live outiside
our understanding, who break our rules and valuesoe even the mentally
ill, refugees etc.
 
Big picture leaper!!
Denise Hynd
 
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action,
for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom,
if by anyone, our bodies will be handled."
 
— Linda Hes


- Original Message - 

From: Pinky McKay


To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list 

Alphia,

Thanks,

 I will look forward to seeing your article when it is published - I guess what Im talking about is this medical model/ handing over of power from pregnancy/ birth extending into the mothering experience making it all an unecessary struggle to do things the 'right' way (as the book/ Dr/ expert says), with so much fear attached, whether its birth, breastfeeding (I am seeing lots of stuffups here and lots of formula comps which seem to be related to a lack of trust in womans bodies), infant sleep/ "behaviour" issues and so it goes on -Having my 5th child becoming a teenager (the others are all adults), I am seeing increasing numbers of parents "scared" of their kids at this age - and letting themselves be bullied by the kids -I wonder if this is a long term lack of confidence about doing the 'right' thing? Is this all tied together somehow? Maybe Im getting carried away, here , making tenuous links between my frustrations?

 

Pinky

 

 

 

- 

From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:07 PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list 

Pinky,

I know what you mean about that frustrated feeling.  Although I have been coming at this from a different angle than many on the list.  I am not a practicing midwife, I am just finishing my PhD in the area of sociology of health.  I was trying to understand exactly what you are speaking about - yet in relation to an active engagement with the medical model during pregnancy and birth.  I was questioning why so many women felt that they were doing the most responsible thing for their baby and themselves by employing the medical model - some not only employing but completely embracing.  I did my field work with over 50 women from a range of backgrounds (all of my mothers are wonderful and all of their stories emotional - but I had some wonderful home birth stories).  They too regarded pregnancy as a reading assignment and often discussed their pregnancy and birth in medical terms.  I wont bore you with my theoretical approach - but I found - as you say, that there is so much there to undermine a woman and her trust in her body.  That combining aspects such as the public surveillance of the pregnant woman, the medicalized discourse that surrounds pregnancy and birth in the media, the notion of the female faulty body which we are socialized into, the increase of technology etc. leads many women to think that this is one of the most risky passages of their lives.  Which is a paradox of course!  I am about to publish an article on my central ideas - I think the article will make a whole lot more sense than what I just said!

Anyway, I wish all of the passionate women on this list all of the strength and energy that is needed to counteract this wave of disempowerment that so many women feel during this time of their life. (I have a habit of being corny!)

Take care

Alphia  

 


At 10:38 AM 15/03/2005, you wrote:

Hi Alphia - if I could just work that out, maybe I wouldnt feel so frustrated. It doesn't take a whole lot of support/ feedback to help a new mother feel confident that she can handle her baby and her new life - her way! Yet there seems so much to undermine her

and the tide againt trusting herself is very strong.

 

For instance, I am constantly amazed at how much reading women do - I have had mothers quote verbatim from 'experts' -invariably men who dont experience hormones/ breasts/bellies or 24 hour care and responsibility no matter how wellmeant/ caring, their advice. It seems in many cases the reading cant be 's

Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Pinky,
I know what you mean about that frustrated feeling.  Although I have
been coming at this from a different angle than many on the list.  I
am not a practicing midwife, I am just finishing my PhD in the area of
sociology of health.  I was trying to understand exactly what you
are speaking about - yet in relation to an active engagement with the
medical model during pregnancy and birth.  I was questioning why so
many women felt that they were doing the most responsible thing for their
baby and themselves by employing the medical model - some not only
employing but completely embracing.  I did my field work with over
50 women from a range of backgrounds (all of my mothers are wonderful and
all of their stories emotional - but I had some wonderful home birth
stories).  They too regarded pregnancy as a reading assignment and
often discussed their pregnancy and birth in medical terms.  I wont
bore you with my theoretical approach - but I found - as you say, that
there is so much there to undermine a woman and her trust in her
body.  That combining aspects such as the public surveillance of the
pregnant woman, the medicalized discourse that surrounds pregnancy and
birth in the media, the notion of the female faulty body which we are
socialized into, the increase of technology etc. leads many women to
think that this is one of the most risky passages of their lives. 
Which is a paradox of course!  I am about to publish an article on
my central ideas - I think the article will make a whole lot more sense
than what I just said!
Anyway, I wish all of the passionate women on this list all of the
strength and energy that is needed to counteract this wave of
disempowerment that so many women feel during this time of their life. (I
have a habit of being corny!)
Take care
Alphia  
 

At 10:38 AM 15/03/2005, you wrote:
Hi Alphia
- if I could just work that out, maybe I wouldnt feel so frustrated. It
doesn't take a whole lot of support/ feedback to help a new mother feel
confident that she can handle her baby and her new life - her way! Yet
there seems so much to undermine her
and the tide againt trusting herself is very strong.
 
For instance, I am constantly amazed at how
much reading women do - I have had mothers quote verbatim from 'experts'
-invariably men who dont experience hormones/ breasts/bellies or 24 hour
care and responsibility no matter how wellmeant/ caring, their advice. It
seems in many cases the reading cant be 'smoothed' to fit the woman and
her baby, but rather she struggles to either make her baby
"fit" the model, or strives herself to live up to unrealistic
images of perfection.
 
I feel sad that birthing/ mothering in so many
cases is an academic exercise (head stuff), not a more relaxed,
experiential sharing  between women - mothers and midwives -from the
heart.
 
Pinky


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From: Alphia
Possamai-Inesedy 

To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list 

Dear Pinky and Kerreen,

Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why so many mothers do this?  What is at the base of it.

By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public insight which would have otherwise been lost.  I have enjoyed the voices of your respondents very much.

The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined - and although many feel that we haven't come very far - your book demonstrates how far we have actually come (not that I want to gloss over the many problems that current maternity practices are facing).

Take care everyone

Alphia


At 10:21 AM 12/03/2005, you wrote:

Hello Kerreen,

Re professional dominance of mothering - I absolutely agree - this isnt just about the baby, although that is bad enough, but when mothers surrender their power to professional domination, they are  set back in so many ways - for the longer term- so that what should be an empowering and delightful experience is thwart with angst, fear and dissatisfaction.

I am going to respond to this article.

Pinky


- Original Message - From: "Kerreen Reiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:31 PM

Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] returning to list


Hi all

I am finally returning to the list after a long absence due to work commitments. Already I am glad to be back, eg in light of this discussion about babies'  settling/crying. For those who don't already  know me, I am a founder of Maternity Coalition and a  social scientist/historian who's worked on maternity care issues for  many years. I'm  now studying  working relationships in maternity care settings and a paper at ICM will be the first out on this research. Some details of my 

Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Dear Pinky and Kerreen,
Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why
so many mothers do this?  What is at the base of it.
By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it
is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public
insight which would have otherwise been lost.  I have enjoyed the
voices of your respondents very much.
The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power
relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined -
and although many feel that we haven't come very far - your book
demonstrates how far we have actually come (not that I want to gloss over
the many problems that current maternity practices are facing).
Take care everyone
Alphia

At 10:21 AM 12/03/2005, you wrote:
Hello Kerreen,
Re professional dominance of mothering - I absolutely agree - this isnt
just about the baby, although that is bad enough, but when mothers
surrender their power to professional domination, they are  set back
in so many ways - for the longer term- so that what should be an
empowering and delightful experience is thwart with angst, fear and
dissatisfaction.
I am going to respond to this article.
Pinky

- Original Message - From: "Kerreen Reiger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] returning to list

Hi all
I am finally returning to the list after a long absence due to work
commitments. Already I am glad to be back, eg in light of this discussion
about babies'  settling/crying. For those who don't already 
know me, I am a founder of Maternity Coalition and a  social
scientist/historian who's worked on maternity care issues for  many
years. I'm  now studying  working relationships in maternity
care settings and a paper at ICM will be the first out on this research.
Some details of my last book  are below for those interested,
including discount sales.
I have  both a longstanding  professional and strong personal
interest in relationships between professionals and mothers. 
What  bothers me about return of emphasis on regimentation  of
babies is not only the  neglect of bubs' variability but
further  professional dominance of mothering. We have two new babies
in our family (my  first g'children!) and within a few weeks I saw
the impact of lousy professional advice on b'feeding and management, but
also  some excellent support that encouraged my daughter-in -law to
feel that  she was the  'expert' on her baby! How we ensure
this across midwifery and maternal, child nursing remains the challenge
it seems. Who is  actually contesting this article in the MJA or the
press? Thanks for  drawing our attention to it.
cheers
Kerreen
About  Our Bodies Our Babies: the forgotten women's
movement:
In Our Bodies, Our Babies: the forgotten women's movement, Kerreen Reiger
traces the struggle of Australian women and others to change approaches
to childbirth, to claim their right to choices in childbirth, and to
educate themselves about birth and breastfeeding. She explores a social
movement which has radically changed our maternity care practices,
allowing fathers to participate in the birth of their children and babies
to 'room-in' with their mothers. It laid the foundation for new models of
care such as birth centres. The book draws on interviews with mothers,
midwives and doctors, and on archival material from women's organisations
such as the Nursing Mothers' Association of Australia (NMAA) and the
Childbirth Education Association. It discusses the relevance of the
childbirth and the breastfeeding movements to feminism and women's
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[ozmidwifery] Fwd: [REPRONETWORK] maternal depression

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

I was wondering if any of you wonderful women out there might be of use
for this request.
Thank you for your time
Take care
Alphia

 

ReproNetworkers --
   I am looking for some helpful
references
on maternal depression, especially recent ones that include
evaluation of medications commonly given for postpartum
depression. My daughter is presently caught in a very bad
bout and I am with her and without my books and journals.
   We've looked at the web sites of
Postpartum Support
International, Depression After Delivery, and The Postpartum
Stress Center - Treatment for Postpartum Depression, and
they have been helpful, but I would like to read some medical
or med/soc literature if it is out there.
   Thanks so much --
Janet

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [MCVic] spiritual needs in pregnancy

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Dear Nicole,
Here are two references which are from a nursing perspective - there has
been some work done by theologians, anthropologists as well as
sociologists.  I hope that this is of help and sorry for the delay
in getting this to you - It seems the last 3 months have gone by in a
flash - I cant believe it is almost Christmas.
take care
Alphia
Cultural Perceptions of Childbirth: A Cross-Cultural Comparison of
Childbearing Women
AU:
Callister,
Lynn Clark;
Vehvilainen-Julkunen,
Katri;
Lauri,
Sirkka
SO: Journal of Holistic Nursing, 1996, 14, 1, Mar, 66-78
Cultural and spiritual meanings of
childbirth
Lynn
Clark Callister,
Sonia
Semenic,
Joyce Cameron
Foster.
Journal
of Holistic Nursing. Springfield:
Sep
1999.Vol.17, Iss. 3;  pg. 280, 16 pgs




At 02:03 AM 30/11/2004, you wrote:
Hi
nicole:
 
I couldn't resist doing a quick search on
Pubmed using the terms pregnancy AND "spiritual needs" I came
up with  3 journal articles  which do appear to be commentories
and also all more than 10 years old.
 
The web site is:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
and it is free.
 
I then entered: pregnancy AND spirituality and got 37 hits with a few research articles at the very top. If you can't get into pubmed I can make a copy of the list of articles for you. You may need to expand the definition of research to include action research and various psychological and sociological research methodologies: you wont find any RCT's.
 
marilyn
 


 

 

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From: Nicole Carver 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: ozmid 

Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:32 AM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: [MCVic] spiritual needs in pregnancy

Sorry guys, I meant haven't been able to find articles about spiritual needs. There's plenty about the other two.

Nicole.

- Original Message - 

From: Nicole Carver 

To: ozmid ; Maternity Coalition 

Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 9:30 PM

Subject: [MCVic] spiritual needs in pregnancy

Hi all,

I am writing a thesis at the moment about women's needs in pregnancy. I am looking at physical, emotional and spiritual needs. I have not been able to find any research articles, only commentary on the subject. Can anyone point me towards some original research on this topic?

Thanks,

Nicole Carver.



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [BirthRage] controlling delivery pt 1

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Thanks for this Abby,
Much of my research centers on this very thing.  I did interview
many women who chose to birth through a private institution with many
choosing to be induced or have a caesarean because of issues of control
and fear.  Whilst your reference is demonstrating what is happening
in America- Australia is demonstrating the same patterns.  There is
even a term for fear of birth "tokophobia".  Beyond the
many issues that reduce real choice for pregnant and birthing women, this
new trend is contributing to a real crisis in childbirth practices in
Australia.  All I can say is thank God for women who are passionate
about caring for other women during pregnancy and childbirth.  All
of the wonderful work that the women of this site do does help!
Thank you for the article
Take care
Alphia


At 11:26 AM 23/09/2004, you wrote:
Hi,
 
I know this is based on America, but it seems,
similiar attitudes are becoming more common here too.
 
Love Abby
(P.S. There are three parts to this.)
 
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Subject: [BirthRage] controlling delivery pt 1
" Controlling Delivery "
Increasingly, U.S. women choose not to have a conventional birth.
By John Pope 
Of New Orleans Times Picayune
When Marilyn Hamilton learned she was pregnant, she was happy - then afraid. 
She would have no way of knowing when labor would start, how long it would 
last, how painful it would be and how much damage it might inflict on her and her 
child.
So she plans to delivery by Cesarean section, even though at 21, she might be 
considered healthy enough to withstand a conventional labor and delivery when 
she gives birth in January.
" With the Cesarean section, you get a pretty good idea of when its going to 
happen and how you're going to feel ," Hamilton said. " I've read up on 
Cesarean sections and listened to the side effects, and I can handle that " 
Hamilton, of Slidell, La, is one of the growing number of American women who 
, doctors say, chose the procedure for a variety of reasons :
* they want to schedule the birth so that they won't have to endure long, 
painful hours of labor.
* they are afraid of labor pain
* they are anxious about possible complications of vaginal delivery, such as 
incontinence, the risk of infecting the baby and weakening the muscles that 
provide support for some organs.
" Over the last two or three years, doctors are hearing more of these 
requests, " said Dr. Bruce Flamm of the University of California, Irvine, a 
spokesman for the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. " We used to 
think that a Cesarean section with no medical reason is a silly idea. I'm not so 
certain anymore
" The oddest thing is that I dont know whether anyone knows whether this is 
a good or a bad trend . " 
In a change from their previous hard-line stance against using the 
procesudre without a medical reason, increasing numbers of doctors are acceding to 
their patients' wishes. 
Though the patient comes first, the doctor clearly benefit from a scheduled 
procedures. Even though a Cesarean section is a major abdominal operation, 
more women are delivering this way. From 1989 to 2002, the latest statistics 
available, the rate of such births rose by nearly 15 percent, from 22.8 percent to 
26.1 percent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] LUDICROUS! Fw: Joyous Birth if this doesn't make you write a letter nothing will!

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Yes thank you - that is perfect.
Take care
Alphia

At 09:54 AM 23/09/2004, you wrote:
>>I am not clear where this
was sourced from - can you help me out?
The letter was published in The Weekly Times in
Melbourne.
I recieved the email on the Joyous Birth list and forwarded it on.
 
Is that the info you wanted?
 
Love Abby

Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Applied and Human Sciences
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

Re: [ozmidwifery] LUDICROUS! Fw: Joyous Birth if this doesn't make you write a letter nothing will!

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

I am not clear where this was sourced from - can you help me
out?

At 08:45 PM 22/09/2004, you wrote:
You have
got to read thismy favourite part is where he says,
"Home is
the most dangerous place to have a baby. " 
My mind is running trying to figure out
where to start with this bunch of BS!! Of course, it would be a male
OB!!! When will they learn.
 
- Original Message - 
From: Janet Fraser

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:19 PM
Subject: Joyous Birth if this doesn't make you write a letter nothing will!
The Editor
The Weekly Times
P O Box 14999
Melbourne 3001
Tel: 9292 1584
Fax: (03) 9292 2697
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Letters must be short and may be edited for space and legal reasons. Names and
addresses must be included
MIDWIFE-ONLY PLAN IS A BABY GAMBLE
Replacing obstetricians with midwives will not fix the lack of birthing services
in the country, argues, DR PIETER MOURIK
Does the Vic Govt really believe its plans to set up midwife-led maternity units
will relieve the shortage of rural obstetricians?There is no question midwives
are recognised as skilled professionals who do a great job caring for women in
labour. However they are not trained to deal with complications beyond their
experience or expertise. This is where an obstetrician is required to attend the
labour ward and take over the delivery.
A normal delivery does not need an obstetrician in the labour ward, but most
women want to have the security that the most experienced person is making the
decisions and is immediately available. Seconds can make the difference between
a happy and successful outcome and a disaster.
The silent majority of midwives continue to support the concept of team
midwifery with obstetricians.
The vocal minority of midwives, who say they can do without obstetricians, and
who claim they are cheaper as they do not induce labour or perform instrumental
deliveries or caesareans, are deluding themselves, the public and the Govt. they
are not comparing apples with apples. Midwives purposefully select heatlhy women
with low risks and transfer those who do not deliver spontaneously to an
obstetrician, so their statistics of successful outcomes are good.
Women selected as low risk for a midwife delivery are not "no risk", as 30 per
cent develop problems during the pregnancy or in labour and have to be
transferred to an obstetrician.
No midwife can guarantee to a pregnant woman she can complete the job, while an
obstetrician can always complete the delivery and deal with complications that
may occur. That is the difference. The 0.2 per cent of women in Vic who choose
to deliver at home take increased risks to themselves and their babies and
should be informed of that fact by the midwife caring for them.
Home is the most dangerous place to have a baby. The best compromise is to
deliver in a birthing unit at a hospital. Patients can have the best of both
worlds where midwives work in collaboration with obstetricians, not in
competition.
Unfortunately, the vocal minority of independent midwives seem to have positions
of influence and have convinced the Govt their wishes are what the majority of
midwives and women want, when this is not true. These midwives should do what
two of our local midwives have done: apply to medical school, complete six years
of training then complete another six years to be a qualified obstetrician.
They would be most welcome, particularly in rural centres, to help reverse the
decline in the number of doctors willing to deliver babies.
*PETER MOURIK HAS BEEN A CONSULTANT OBSTETRICIAN IN WODONGA FOR 25 YEARS AND IS
CHAIRMAN OF THE WODONGA OBSTETRIC SUB-COMMITTEE.


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[ozmidwifery] for anyone who might be interested

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

 Hi
everyone,
Just thought I would post this to remind you of the upcoming conference
being held at the University of Western Sydney.  I know it is
outside of your field - but there are some sessions that might be of
interest.
Hope that everyone is well
Take care
Alphia

Dear Friends and
Colleagues,
The University of Western Sydney (Bankstown Campus) is hosting the 2004
Australian Association for the Study of Religions Conference in July
16-18: 'Fear and Fascination: The Other in Religion'. More information
can be found at
http://www.aasr.org.au/aasr_annual_conference.htm
Please note that cheaper rates apply if conference fees are
paid before the 1st of July 2004.
Keynote addresses and lectures include:
Prof. Gary Bouma’s keynote address on 'Religion, Cultural Diversity
and Social Cohesion'. 
Prof. Terry Lovat’s 2004 Charles Strong Lecture on 'Islam: Old and New
Interpretations of the Relationship with Judaism and Christianity'.

Dr. Kalpana Ram’s 2004 Penny Magee Lecture on 'Religion, Gender and the
Postcolonial Crisis of the Present: reflections on India' 
Ms Toni Tidswell’s 2004 Charles Strong Jnr Lecture 'The Qur'an and
contemporary Muslim understanding of modesty: the case of the Aziz's
wife'. 
Mehmet Ozalp's Presidential Address for the Affinity Intercultural
Foundation on 'Impact of Muslim Presence in the Western World to the
Relationship of Islam with the Judeo-Christian Tradition'.
Dr Adam Possamai’s 2004 AASR Presidential Address on 'Intellectuals of
the Other in Religion' 
We have close to 70 presenters giving papers on various themes such as

· Alternative Spiritualities and the Other
· Multiculturalism, Religion and the Other
· Religion and Social Movement
· Fascination and Fear in Popular Culture and Mythology
· Psychology and Religion
· Muslim Relations with the Other
· Spirituality in the lives of women and in feminism
· Birthing & Spirituality
· Healing and Well-Being in Spirituality
· Religious Education and the Other
· The Global and the Other
· Religion and Politics
. Fear of Islam, ...

All the best
Adam Possamai ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz & Tracey

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

here are the transcripts for this newspaper article:
SECTION: ANN PEACOCK: TALES OF A MODERN
WOMAN; Pg. 118
HEADLINE: Not the unkindest
cut
BYLINE: Ann Peacock
BODY:
FULL credit to 60 Minutes last week for highlighting the growing
debate about caesarean section births.
The issue was recently stirred up after I read comments by UK actor Kate
Winslet, who admitted she had originally lied about having a natural
birth.
Her daughter, 4, with her first husband, was born by emergency c-section,
though she said at the time that Mia's birth was an "uncomplicated
natural birth". 
But she recently told a magazine: "I've gone to great pains to cover
it up. But Mia was an emergency c-section. I just said I had a natural
birth because I was so completely traumatised by the fact that I hadn't
given birth. I felt like a complete failure."
I was again dismayed when, talking about the issue with a few colleagues,
one girl felt the same way as Winslet: as though a caesarean made you
less of a woman and, for some, less of a mother.
How such a horrible thought could enter the minds of these mums astounds
me.
Having a caesar -- for whatever reason, be it preventative medical or
merely convenience -- is a personal choice that should never become a
rule for advocates of one or another view.
That some advocates assume those who have chosen a caesarean are any less
of a mother is shocking.
Perhaps my opinion is coloured by my experience. My first birth had to be
an emergency c-section when, after 16 hours of labour, my baby was
becoming distressed without making any sort of entrance.
As a result, and with the safety of baby No. 2 in mind, I booked for a
caesar next time around.
Not once have I felt less of a mother as a result. Mothering happens
after the birth, in case no one has noticed.
Perhaps the tainted image of the c-section has developed through nonsense
about women who have chosen the procedure instead of natural births --
the high and mighty who have been dubbed "too posh to
push".
In the 60 Minutes story by Liz Hayes, we met a woman who tried to give
birth "naturally" and endured 20 hours of labour -- only to end
up with the baby severely distressed. An emergency caesar was performed,
but the baby sadly died.
This woman went on to have a divine child, now aged 4, by
caesarean.
Some may argue women can feel failures after caesareans. But judging a
woman's worth as a mother based on her experience with birth is not
wise.
Newsreader Tracey Curro appeared on the program. She has had both her
children by caesarean and made the most sensible observation.
"I don't subscribe to the notion that a vaginal birth is some kind
of rite of passage to complete womanhood or to be being a real
mother," she said.
"Everything that makes having children a priceless experience begins
after they're born."
LOAD-DATE: June 5, 2004 




At 01:12 PM 6/06/2004, you wrote:
Reading my paper over breakfast, we
find a half page spread from Ann Peacock (Herald Sun - Melbourne, p 118)
giving full credit to 60 mins and co.  And from her personal
experience having had a emergency LUSCS for her first child, naturally
with the safety of No 2 baby in mind, booked straight in for another
LUSCS!  Her quote "Mothering happens after the birth, in case
no one has noticed."
You can contact her on
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[ozmidwifery] 60 minutes

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Hello everyone,
I share in your frustration over the recent report presented on 60
minutes.  I have just read over the transcripts as I unfortunately
missed the program.  Beyond the complete lack of evidence based
research that so many of you have picked up on and discussed within the
list is a very interesting notions of risk and of course the issue of the
woman's faulty body.  Women such as Vanessa Gorman and Tracey Curro
are only reflecting the dominant ideologies of the society in which we
live.  Although I have to admit whilst reading this transcript I
felt like hitting someone.  It is a shame that they picked someone
like Tracey - who is a public and trusted face for Australians - to speak
about the medical necessities of having a cs. How are Australians
supposed to weigh up the debate?  On one side they have Justine who
birthed at home with 'only' a midwife present. Which many people within
our society would see as being irresponsible.  Although it is
infuriating to everyone on this list - it is indeed a sentiment that I
have had many women share with me.  On the other we have the awful
story of Vanessa - which to some degree is already in the conscious of
Australian society.  Her happy ending is not due to her body's
ability to birth - but rather to medical intervention.  On top of
that we have Tracey whose proof is in the pudding-  with all of the
romantic pictures of her children through their various stages of
life.  How can a cs be wrong when you end up with children like that
and a proper functioning pelvic floor to boot!
The bias was completed with the help of Liz and her interview questions
and Dr Molloy with his, I hate to say it, misogynist views.  When
Liz finally got around to some of the complications that can arise
through a caesarean section - it was only to be refuted by the ' expert'
Dr Molloy.  
I have complete and utter respect for the women on this list and I share
in your frustrations.  I also want to thank Justine for working so
hard on eradicating the type of misinformation that is out there and
showing women that we can trust in ourselves first and
foremost.   
Take care everyone
Alphia

Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Applied and Human Sciences
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Private Insurance companies covering independent midwives?

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Oh I realize the difference - I just found it kind of strange that with
the independent midwives unable to access indemnity coverage and unable
to get the Federal government to cover them under medicare that insurance
companies provide their clientele with any form of reimbursements for
homebirths.  Though I do find it interesting that some state they
will only do this with proof the birth occurred within a hospital
setting.
Thanks everyone.
Warmly
Alphia  

At 01:13 PM 25/02/2004, you wrote:
Alphia:
 
I think these are different insurance
companies: some people have private health insurance that will reimburse
for homebirths. Different beings to public indemnity insurance purchase
by the independent midwives. 
 
marilyn


- Original Message - 

From: Alphia
Possamai-Inesedy 

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:52 PM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Private Insurance companies covering independent midwives?

Jen,

I was not aware that this was the case - do you know which private insurance companies do this?  I find it surprising considering that independent midwives are not covered by indemnity insurance.  I am currently finishing a subsection of my thesis on the indemnity crisis and found your news interesting.  If you could help me out with this I would grealty appreciate it.

Take care

Alphia


At 03:47 AM 17/02/2004, you wrote:

Some private insurance companies cover the fee of a midwife in private practice.

 

One to one care with a midwife she's known throughout pregnancy & birth is her best bet for successful breast feeding.

 

Best of luck, Jen

"Melissah & Scott @ Spilt Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have someone who is about 18 weeks pregnant and fairly recently moved to the blue mountians (Katoomba) She is unsure of where to birth at the moment and is concidering birthing at nepean private to make use of her private health insurance. She is hoping to stay in hospital for about 5 or so days, and at nepean private her husband can stay with her. She wants to stay in for a few days because she is nervous about being able to breastfeed and take care of her bub, as she feels she has not much idea of what she is doing. 
So I sugested to her that maybe a doula could be of great benifit to her by the way of childbirth info, birthing and post natal care/advice etc. She is quite interested in talking to some doulas in the area.
  
So, I thought Id try to get together a list of Doulas in the area to pass on to her. If anyone is interested, could you please either reply or email me directly with all your details [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I know your around Abby, but I cant find your contact details.
  
Thanks! Melissah
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Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Applied and Human Sciences
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
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South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Private Insurance companies covering independent midwives?

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Thanks everyone - I will chase all of this up.
Take care
Alphia

At 10:30 AM 24/02/2004, you wrote:
I just sent a letter to australian
unity asking what cover they would give me for a home birth. They give
about $640 for a private midwife in hospital birth situation (some for
prenantal, some for post and a small fee for the birth). They give $2000
for a homebirth if you organise it with them in advance (and join before
conceiving).
SGIC/NRMA give $500 for midwifery similar to the hospital cover above.
Many other funds have a similar small ammount of cover.1
At 9:52 +1100 24/2/04, Alphia Possamai-Inesedy wrote:
>Jen,
>
>I was not aware that this was the case - do you know which private
insurance companies do this?  I find it surprising considering that
independent midwives are not covered by indemnity insurance.  I am
currently finishing a subsection of my thesis on the indemnity crisis and
found your news interesting.  If you could help me out with this I
would grealty appreciate it.
>
>Take care
>Alphia
>
>
>
>At 03:47 AM 17/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>>Some private insurance companies cover the fee of a midwife in
private practice.
>> 
>>One to one care with a midwife she's known throughout pregnancy
& birth is her best bet for successful breast feeding.
>> 
>>Best of luck, Jen
>>
>>"Melissah & Scott @ Spilt Art"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I have someone who is about 18 weeks pregnant and fairly recently
moved to the blue mountians (Katoomba) She is unsure of where to birth at
the moment and is concidering birthing at nepean private to make use of
her private health insurance. She is hoping to stay in hospital for about
5 or so days, and at nepean private her husband can stay with her. She
wants to stay in for a few days because she is nervous about being able
to breastfeed and take care of her bub, as she feels she has not much
idea of what she is doing.
>>
>>So I sugested to her that maybe a doula could be of great benifit
to her by the way of childbirth info, birthing and post natal care/advice
etc. She is quite interested in talking to some doulas in the area.
>>
>> 
>>
>>So, I thought Id try to get together a list of Doulas in the area
to pass on to her. If anyone is interested, could you please either reply
or email me directly with all your details
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>I know your around Abby, but I cant find your contact
details.
>>
>> 
>>
>>Thanks! Melissah
>>
>>
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>Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
>UWS Locked Bag 1797
>South Penrith Distribution Centre
>NSW 1797 Australia
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[ozmidwifery] Re: Private Insurance companies covering independent midwives?

[Alphia Possamai-Inesedy]

Jen,
I was not aware that this was the case - do you know which private
insurance companies do this?  I find it surprising considering that
independent midwives are not covered by indemnity insurance.  I am
currently finishing a subsection of my thesis on the indemnity crisis and
found your news interesting.  If you could help me out with this I
would grealty appreciate it.
Take care
Alphia

At 03:47 AM 17/02/2004, you wrote:
Some private insurance companies
cover the fee of a midwife in private practice.
 
One to one care with a midwife she's known throughout pregnancy &
birth is her best bet for successful breast feeding.
 
Best of luck, Jen
"Melissah & Scott @ Spilt Art"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have someone who is about 18
weeks pregnant and fairly recently moved to the blue mountians (Katoomba)
She is unsure of where to birth at the moment and is concidering birthing
at nepean private to make use of her private health insurance. She is
hoping to stay in hospital for about 5 or so days, and at nepean private
her husband can stay with her. She wants to stay in for a few days
because she is nervous about being able to breastfeed and take care of
her bub, as she feels she has not much idea of what she is doing. 

So I sugested to her that maybe a doula could be of great benifit to
her by the way of childbirth info, birthing and post natal care/advice
etc. She is quite interested in talking to some doulas in the area.

 

So, I thought Id try to get
together a list of Doulas in the area to pass on to her. If anyone is
interested, could you please either reply or email me directly with all
your details
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I know your around Abby, but I cant find your contact details.

 

Thanks! Melissah


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[ozmidwifery] searching for Catherine Boon

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know a Catherine Boon?  She is a clinical midwife at Westmead 
Hospital in NSW and has conducted some very interesting research a couple 
of years ago - If anyone can point me in the right direction I would 
greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
Take care
Alphia
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[ozmidwifery] Spirituality and birthing

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi everyone,

I have just come back from visiting my family in the States for an extended 
Christmas break.  I must say that I have had a very interesting read of 
everyone's comments - The Today show's live CS was especially of interest!
On another note I just want to let everyone know that there will be a 
conference held on 16-18th of July 2004 by the Australian Association for 
the Study of Religions (AASR) at the University of Western Sydney.
I will be chairing a session on spirituality and childbirth and putting out 
an invitation to all of those who might be interested in attending or 
participating in the session.  If you are interested in participating 
please send a 50-100 word abstract of the proposed paper with your 
affiliation to me by the 26th of March.  I know that many of you might only 
be interested in attending and I do believe that there are one day costs 
(which is very cheap).  Once all of the information on the conference 
becomes available I will post it to the site.  The other sessions are very 
interesting- though they do not deal with birth - they include: 
Spirituality and Social Justice; Sacred Texts and Textual criticism; 
Islamaphobia; Multiculturalism, Religion and the Other; History of the 
Christian/Islam Encounter; and Alternative Spiritualities and the Other.

Just to let everyone know the AASR is an association which comprises of 
approx. 300 people of varying backgrounds.  There are teachers, academics, 
students all from cross-disciplinary areas. So although the conference is 
academic in nature - there is a more relaxed feel to it.

I hope to see some of you there.

Take care
Alphia
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[ozmidwifery] Fwd: FW: a quick click to help

[Alphia Possamai]

 
 
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Please tell ten friends to tell ten today. The Breast Cancer site 
is
having trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to meet
their
quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an
underprivileged woman.
It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on
"donating a
mammogram" for free (pink window in the middle). This doesn't cost
you a
thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily
visits to donate a mammogram in exchange for advertising.
Here's the web site!
Pass it along to 10 people you know.
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com
Ms Christine de Matos
Doctoral candidate and part-time lecturer
School of Humanities
College of Arts, Education and Social Sciences
University of Western Sydney
Room 1.111, Building 1
Bankstown Campus
Locked Bag 1797 
Penrith South DC NSW 1797
Australia
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'Happy the nation whose people has not forgotten how to rebel.'
R.H. Tawney.



Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.) 
PhD. Candidate 
School of Applied and Human Sciences 
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney 
UWS Locked Bag 1797 
South Penrith Distribution Centre 
NSW 1797 Australia 
 
Phone: 02 97726628 
Fax: 02 97726584

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Dutch Birth Statistics

[Alphia Possamai]

I was wondering if I could get a copy of the statistics as well.  It would 
definitely help with my work- especially a cross cultural analysis.

Thanks a lot.

Warmly
Alphia




 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] request for help

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi Linda,

Thank you for responding to my request.  No it does not matter if the 
mother is a midwife at all.  I would love to hear your perspective.  Since 
we live a state apart we will need to conduct the interview over the 
phone.  If you are still fine with this why dont you email me the times 
that you are available.  attached to this email is a info and consent 
sheet- if you could mail or fax the signed consent sheet back that would be 
fantastic.  I am happy to conduct the interview during the evening- it 
seems to work out for many women as one of the only peaceful times of their 
days.

Thank you again
Take care
Alphia


At 10:40 PM 9/03/2003 +1030, you wrote:
Hi Alphia,
Does it matter if mother is a midwife? If not I can assist.
Linda.
Ph (03)51765171





From: Alphia Possamai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] request for help
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:55:31 +1100
Hi Jo,

Would love this if you could arrange it for me.  I would like to keep the 
babies around 6 months of age- if they are slightly older that is fine- 
but not over 10 months.

thank you for your help
Warmly
Alphia


At 04:14 PM 7/03/2003 +1030, you wrote:
Alphia,
would you like some cs and vbac mums?  If so I can link you up with some
with a range of experiences.  How old are bubs meant to be?
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
www.cares-sa.org.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...
- Original Message -
From: "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] request for help
> Hi everyone,
>
> Another request for assistance.  I am still in the middle of my field
> work.  I have almost the full amount of private hospital birthing women
and
> homebirth moms.  However, I need public hospital Moms - my only criteria
is
> that the mother is Australian born and the baby born relatively
> recently.  If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it.  I 
conduct an
> interview that lasts approximately 60 minutes - over the phone or face to
> face.  Discussing expectations and experiences of pregnancy, care and
birth.
>
> Thank you
> Alphia
> Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Applied and Human Sciences
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
>
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] request for help

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi Jo,

Would love this if you could arrange it for me.  I would like to keep the 
babies around 6 months of age- if they are slightly older that is fine- but 
not over 10 months.

thank you for your help
Warmly
Alphia


At 04:14 PM 7/03/2003 +1030, you wrote:
Alphia,
would you like some cs and vbac mums?  If so I can link you up with some
with a range of experiences.  How old are bubs meant to be?
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
www.cares-sa.org.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...
- Original Message -
From: "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] request for help
> Hi everyone,
>
> Another request for assistance.  I am still in the middle of my field
> work.  I have almost the full amount of private hospital birthing women
and
> homebirth moms.  However, I need public hospital Moms - my only criteria
is
> that the mother is Australian born and the baby born relatively
> recently.  If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it.  I conduct an
> interview that lasts approximately 60 minutes - over the phone or face to
> face.  Discussing expectations and experiences of pregnancy, care and
birth.
>
> Thank you
> Alphia
> Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Applied and Human Sciences
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
>
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
>
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[ozmidwifery] A note on the impending war

[Alphia Possamai]

Does Tony Blair have any idea what the flies are like that
feed off the
dead?
By Robert Fisk
LONDON, 26 January 2003 -The Independent
On the road to Basra, ITV was filming wild dogs as they tore at the
corpses of the Iraqi dead. Every few seconds a ravenous beast would rip
off a decaying arm and make off with it over the desert in front of us,
dead fingers trailing through the sand, the remains of the burned
military sleeve flapping in the wind.
"Just for the record," the cameraman said to me. Of course.
Because ITV would never show such footage. The things we see the filth
and obscenity of corpses cannot be shown. First because it is not
"appropriate" to depict such reality on breakfast-time TV.
Second because, if what we saw was shown on television, no one would ever
again agree to support a war.
That of course was in 1991. The "highway of death," they called
it . There was actually a parallel and much worse "highway of
death" 10 miles to the east, courtesy of the US Air Force and the
RAF, but no one turned up to film it and the only true picture of the
horrors we saw was the photograph of the shriveled, carbonized Iraqi
soldier in his truck. This was an iconic illustration of a kind because
it did represent what we had seen, when it
was eventually published.
For Iraqi casualties to appear on television during that Gulf War there
was another one between 1980 and 1988, and a third is in the offing. It
was necessary for them to have died with care, to have fallen
romantically on their backs, one hand over a ruined face. Like those
World War I paintings of the British dead on the Somme, Iraqis had to die
benignly and without obvious wounds, without any kind of squalor, without
a trace of shit or mucus or congealed blood, if they wanted to make it on
to the morning News programs.
I rage at this contrivance. At Qaa in 1996, when the Israelis had shelled
Lebanese refugees at the UN compound for 17 minutes, killing 106
civilians, more than half of them children, I came across a young woman
holding in her arms a middle-aged man. He was dead. "My father, my
father," she kept crying, cradling his face. One of his arms and one
of his legs was missing the Israelis used proximity shells which cause
amputation wounds but when that scene reached television screens in
Europe and America, the camera was close up on the girl and the dead
man's face. The amputations were not to be seen. The cause of death had
been erased in the interests of good taste. It was as if the old man had
died of tiredness, just turned his head upon
his daughter's shoulder to die in peace.
Today, when I listen to the threats of US President George W. Bush
against Iraq and the shrill moralistic warnings of British Prime Minister
Tony Blair, I wonder what they know of this terrible reality. Does
George, who
declined to serve his county in Vietnam, have any idea what these corpses
smell like? Does Tony have the slightest conception of what the flies are
like, the big bluebottles that feed on the dead, and then come to settle
on our faces and our notepads? Soldiers know. I remember one British
officer asking to use the BBC's satellite phone just after the liberation
of Kuwait in 1991. He was talking to his family in England and I watched
him
carefully. "I have seen some terrible things," he said. And
then he broke down, weeping and shaking and holding the phone dangling in
his hand over the transmission set. Did his family have the slightest
idea what he was talking about? They would not have understood by
watching television.
Thus can we face the prospect of war. Our glorious, patriotic population
albeit only about 20 percent in support of this particular Iraqi folly
has been protected from the realities of violent death. But I am much
struck by the number of letters in my postbag from veterans of World War
II, men and women, all against this new Iraqi war, with an inalienable
memory of torn limbs and suffering.
I remember once a wounded man in Iran, a piece of steel in his
forehead,howling like an animal which is, of course, what we all are
before he died; and the Palestinian boy who simply collapsed in front of
me when an
Israeli soldier shot him dead, quite deliberately, coldly, murderously,
for throwing a stone; and the Israeli with a chair leg sticking out of
her stomach outside the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem after a Palestinian
bomber
had decided to execute the families inside; and the heaps of Iraqi dead
at the Battle of Dezful in the Iran-Iraq war; and the young man showing
me the thick black trail of his daughter's blood outside Algiers where
armed men had cut her throat.
But George Bush and Tony Blair and Dick Cheney and Jack Straw and all the
other little warriors who are bamboozling us into war will not have to
think of these vile images. For them it's about surgical strikes,
collateral
damage and all the other examples of war's linguistic mendacity. We are
going to have a just war; we are going to liberate the people of Iraq
some of w

Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi Jo,
I would be interested in this for my research.  I have heard about
it before but any form of literature would be much appreciated.
Take care
Alphia

At 09:18 PM 3/02/2003 +1030, you wrote:
Hi
everyone, 
I am back with a newly polished soap box and a
major thing to be yelling about!
I am going to jump straight into it with the
stress that I am not going to stay on the list for long (a few weeks
perhaps) so you may have to contact me off list for further details.

Okay, everyone sitting down???
 
Guess who is doing an Australian/New Zealand
multi-centred study called ACTOBAC A Controlled Trial Of Birth After
Caesarean which (wait for it) is a randomised controlled trial involving
2000 women.  The study is being conducted by Professor Caroline
Crowther.  It involves women with one previous cs and they will be
randomised at 34 weeks.  Those who are designated the vbac option
will have mandatory continuous monitoring and all the other woman
unfriendly policies imposed on vbacs, inductions or augmentations will
not be excluded. The unfortunate women who are allocated to the cs group,
if they (inconveniently) go into spontaneous labour they will be given an
emergency cs.
 
How do I know all this??  CARES was
contacted after Crowther read my article in Birth Perinatal Issues
Journal (Sept 2002) and asked us to make some comments on the trialwe
made comments alright!  5 pages worth for starters.  The issues
and criticisms are many and varied.  the language used is appalling,
the information biased and the methodology dubious.  An then there
is the little issue of it being completely unethical!  we got a
reply after almost three months with a "thanks for your feed
back.  We are proud to announce the trial has been approved for
funding". 
this is an unacceptable and insulting response
to say the least.  we have had no further comment from
them.
 
So how annoyed are you so far?? it gets
better.  As this is a long posting as it is, (typical for me huh?)
If you want to know more please let me know.  To end this email I
will give you the first paragraph from the information pamphlet provided
to us by the research team in November:
"For someone like yourself who has had a
previous caesarean section a decision needs to be made as to whether your
baby is best born by allowing a vaginal birth or whether a repeat
caesarean section should be undertaken"
 
and it gets so much better 

hope to hear from interested parties as soon as
possible as I am writing to the ethics committees and need as much weight
to support our objections.  (ACMI National level would be
appreciated if you are listening!)  Remember that this is going to
recruiting women from every major women's & children's hospital in
every capital city around this country. 
cheers for now
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
www.cares-sa.org.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918
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[ozmidwifery] Re: seeking respondents

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi Aviva,
Ihave just been going through my diary.  I do not think I will be
available for an interview until January.  My Mother is coming to
visit and will be here next week.  Beyond that both of my children
seem to have a million different functions at their schools right
now!  So I would love to interview you- as I am sure you would have
a lot to say on these matters, but I have to put it off until mid
Jan.  Let me know if you are still interested.
Take care
Alphia
 

 

 

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[ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

[Alphia Possamai]

I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was 
discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and midwifery 
students today.  On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and 
lo and behold there it was.  A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my spelling) 
gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society 
is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis.  He quoted the WHO and NMAP 
and was an obvious supporter of midwives.  The next speaker was a Senator 
Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is- but 
I do know that she is from WA.  Unfortunately her discussion stemmed around 
that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national 
goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to 
midwives.  She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of 
midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed 
them as "too risky".  Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I 
was conducting some form of private roadrage.  I arrived home before much 
else was divulged.  For those of you who are interested I am sure the 
transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following 
website:  www.aph.gov.au  I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there 
will be something ready.  What frustrated me was the purely economic 
rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing.  She neglected to point out 
how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned 
midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society.  the 
restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it on.

Take care everyone
Regards
Alphia

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery model of care in hospitals

[Alphia Possamai]

Dear Jan,

Is Bankstown public a midwifery led hospital?  Ididnt think it was- anyway 
I will call- thank you so much for your help with this.

take care
Alphia


At 08:13 AM 17/08/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>On 12/8/02 3:14 PM, "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone know of a midwifery led hospital within NSW- not too far out of
> > the Sydney area.  I know of St George- any others??
> >
> > Thanks
> > Alphia
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 11

[Alphia Possamai]

I  would love to come to this - is this Jan Robinson in
Sydney?  But I would be coming to listen if that is all right. 

I would just like to add that all of the messages that are sent back and
forth on this list about the faith in womens bodies and in the 
birth process is very inspiring- I truly admire all of you.

Warmly
Alphia

At 10:13 AM 10/08/2002 +1000, you wrote:
Wish I
could come Jan, but I'm a bit far away!! Is Sept 11 going to be a regular
thing?

- Original Message - 
From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept 11

Anyone interested ?Come and share at Jan's house sept 11 lots of insppiring stories from my practice re courage of women to be impowered by their birth rsvp for nos lol jan
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Seeking information on hospital models of care

[Alphia Possamai]

  Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had information on the models of maternity care 
available at the following hospitals- I should say what is available now 
and what the history was- If anyone has any references I would greatly 
appreciate it:

Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
St. George Hospital (NSW)
Sydney Adventist Hospital (NSW)

I am aware of the differences bt the three- namely tertiary/midwifery 
led/private
and some of the programs run within them- but if anyone knows of more 
detailed knowledge or where I could find it I would greatly appreciate it- 
thank you

Take care
Alphia

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Re: communism

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi everyone,
I have just skimmed through all of your respnses- I am on my way to my
daughter's soccer game- It seems my life revolves around my children's
sporting endeavors of late.  Anyway, after I posted my quote by
Engels- I was worried that some of you would misinterpret me.  When
I speak of forced labour I speak of the loss of control experienced by so
many women when they walk into a hospital environment for the birth of
their child- I especially experienced this with the birth of my daughter
11 years ago.  
I have never been an adamant follower of Marx- but I must admit his work
is very enticing- but not realistic in today's consumer society.  If
I follow his theory of socialism I become despondent when I see what is
happening in the world today.  I dont know if any of you saw the
program on ABC on Tuesday- but it dealt with Transnational Corporations
and their abuse of developing countries- it was heartbreaking- I just
dont see Marx's theory coming to its full fruition.  Anyway enough
of that, off I go to soccer.  
I think for a book, rather than a slogan, this quote is
valuable.
Take Care
Alphia



At 08:18 PM 28/06/2002 +1000, Macha McDonald wrote:
I think maybe you're confusing
communism with fascism.  A communist, or communism is a social
system where people share goods and services.  A fascist, or fascism
is a one party system of government where there are distinct classes and
individuals are inferior to the state and control is maintained by
military force and rigid censorship - quite the opposite of
communism.  When I think of the way I've been treated by some Obs
("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a
minion"), and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of
birth, I think of fascism.  Not to undermine your German patients
experience, because many communist societies have failed, but I feel
obliged to explode the myths about communism.  Thats my lesson for
the day, and I dont even know how we got to that, but anyway!!! 
Have a good weekend!
Macha.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Rhonda
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 7:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: RE: slogan

 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Rhonda
Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 19:28:48
To: Macha
McDonald
Subject: RE: slogan
 
Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated
during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was
this..
"I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you
would have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort of
treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and age." 
After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone
else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
 
Just something to think about!
 
Rhonda
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Macha
McDonald
Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:18:44
To:
ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: slogan
 
I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society,
ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never
have heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us with
communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like it
though.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: slogan


I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some
work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote

"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"

Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just
hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
share it with all of you.

Take Care
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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Re: A book to read

[Alphia Possamai]

Along the lines of books to read- I know you probably already have read
it- but "The Red Tent" by Anita Diamant is another great book
when it comes to midwifery and womens bodies.
A private practicing midwife recommended it to me and I loved
it.
Take Care
Alphia

At 09:33 PM 24/05/2002 +0930, Jackie Kitschke wrote:
I have just read
"Year of Wonders" by Geraldine Brooks and really enjoyed it. It
is set in 1666 and describes the fortunes of an English village during
the plague through the eyes of a young woman. There is a story line about
midwifery and the views of people of that time in relation to midwifery
and how they were accused of being witches (I don't want to give the
storyline away). 
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Jackie

Fwd: Re: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project

[Alphia Possamai]

>X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404)
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Alphia Garrety <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:28:35 +1000
>Subject: Re: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project
>
>Hi Alphia
>I read your previous email re team midwifery salaries pack. Unfortunately 
>I am
>receiving the ozmidwifery but cant repond to it. Could you forward this 
>onto the
>ozmidwifery line
>
>On the Central Coast, NSW (Gosford & Wyong Hospitals) the team midwifery
>programs have negotiated with the hospital and the NSWNA to work out an
>annualised salary agreement that has been working nicely for over 3 years. 
>Kerry
>Allen- NUM GCMP has written an article for the NSWNA Lamp Journal (haven't
>seen it in print yet). The midwives work a roster with A8 shifts for their 
>clinics and
>postnatal home visits and 12 hour shifts for delivery suite to increase 
>continuity of
>care with day shift 8am- 8pm and on call 12 hour nights 8pm -8am. They 
>then had
>the next day as z () shift in called in or come in and help if not 
>called in. Its a
>credit-debit system with the midwives keeping their own logs on hours. 
>They are
>paid an annualised salary- not sure about the details re holiday payments 
>etc.
>They find no one leaves this program and only if some one goes on maternity
>leave then vacancies become avialable- in other words- very popular.
>
>Lyndall Mollart
>CNC Antenatal Services
>CCH
>
> > Alphia Garrety <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone ever remembers any type of media reports
> > relating
> > to the closure of the Liverpool Team Midwifery Project??  I find it
> > very
> > surprising that I cannot find anything about this closure within the
> > newspaper archives.  There had to be some form of publicity?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Alphia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:28 PM 21/05/02 +1000, Judy Chapman wrote:
> > >They did work out a salary for the Team Midwives in Mackay but that
> > did
> > >not stop them from closing us down. We were all paid as  level two
> > so they
> > >said that it made us too expensive as there were too many level
> > two's
> > >around. We worked some call (nights) and flexi time so there was
> > never any
> > >overtime or call fees.
> > >Had some aggro from the core midwives as they were not level two but
> > then
> > >most of them did not take on any of the extra responsability that we
> > did
> > >and a large proportion of the core staff were ones who only wanted
> > to come
> > >to work, not get stretched too far so stay in the AN PN ward and
> > collect
> > >the pay. Forget all about it when you go home. All were given an
> > >opportunity to be on a team from the beginning.
> > >Cheers
> > >Judy
> > >
> > >
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project
> > >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:26 EDT
> > >
> > >Why can't they come up with a salary payment method for midwives who
> > work in
> > >groups/teams?  marilyn
> > >
> > >
> > >Judy Chapman
> > >Midwife
> > >07 47490764
> > >
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> > Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
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