[ozmidwifery] Retained placenta

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Just a query.  Have been contacted by a woman who is expecting number 6 
baby in 6 weeks.  Her first birth was vaginal, second emergency cs and 
baby died strepB complication (baby exposed in labour and antibiotics 
not administered until it was too late), 3rd elect cs, 4th vbac, 5th 
vbac.  No 4 and 5 she had manual removal of retained placenta (dont 
actually know how much time she was given to birth the placenta) and 
PPH.  Is it likely to be a repeating problem?  Have read some stuff 
about retained placenta being connected to fear - of which she has loads 
thanks to her distressing 2nd birth.
Want to provide her with more information if possible on how to avoid 
this happening again.
Thanks
Carolyn Donaghey-Harris
CARES SA Inc

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[ozmidwifery] SA's stats are OUT!!!!!! AARGH!

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I thought this might be of interest to our wonderful birthing community.
 I have just received the Pregnancy Outcome in SA 2001 statistics, and they
are not pretty.  I was sure that the caesarean rate would increase, but have
to say am shocked at the true statistics.  The website to see the reports
is www.dhs.sa.gov.au/pehs/pregnancyoutcome.htm

Here are a few quick facts:
Total births                                                17704 
Caesarean Section                                   
    27.8%
(elective 11.9% emergency 15.8%)
Induction                                                    28.3%
CS in private hospitals over 500 births p.a.    37.9%
Spontaneous vaginal births                             59.5%


I am unsure, does this still make us the knife happy capital of Australia

With regret
Carolyn Donaghey-Harris
CARES SA Inc
www.cares-sa.org.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut down

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Anectodatally, this was my own personal experience in both babies births.
 The first dilated to 6cms with bulging membranes and after 6 hrs at 6cms
and no further progress we tried amniotomy.  Went back to 5 cms and stayed
for a further 2hrs, with baby still high and posterior - opted for a cs.
   Second birth dilated to 8cms with bulging membranes, membranes ruptured
on their own and went back to 5cms.(no one told me thank god!) Took another
1hr for baby to descend and apply to cervix. 5hrs later after a ventouse
rotation for posterior position, baby was born, beautiful and healthy.  Wish
with my first that we hadn't ruptured membranes, as they were obviously doing
the work needed, albiet much slower than a nice little cranium would??  Contractions
never stopped with either of them.
Carolyn
www.cares-sa.org.au

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
  
 

  Sally your quite right esp with a pp high
in pelvis  the cx is held open by bag of membranes . also the pos you do
the ve in makes a  diff ie gravity or beatle pos love jan 
 
   
  
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Original Message - 
   
From:
   Sally
   Westbury 
   
To:
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Sent:
Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:37PM
   
Subject:
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I
haverecently had a client at 8cm with buldging
membraneswho after transfer to hospital and ARM was 5cm. The doctor then
abused me andtold me that I was misleading him about how far along she
was. What would bethe point of that!! Cervix do change
   
 
   
Sally
   Westbury
   
Homebirth
   Midwife
   
"In
   any society, the way a woman gives birth and the kind of care given to
her andthe baby, points as sharply as an arrowhead to the key values
of theculture.
   
~Sheila
   Kitzinger-Women as Mothers
   
 

  

Re: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation - need help!

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Tania
I have also a page on our website that has the abstracts of studies on ECV
for women with a previous cs, to put your mind at ease with the safety aspect.
 The studies showed that it was a safe choice for women with a scar.  In
addition contact Chris Wilkinson, as he is the one who has performed these
successful ECV's that Jo refers to.
Good luck, I hope she decides to do it as her chance for a successful vbac
would be really good.
Carolyn
www.cares-sa.org.au

Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood wrote:
  
  
 
  
 

  Hi all,
 
   
 
  I'm writing for ideas for a friend, has had a previous
LSCS  for failure to progress after an induction, now 39 weeks and has just
found out  baby is breech.  Desperately wants to try for a VBAC, now thinking
it's all  out the window.  What I need from you wise women, is a shortlist
of what I  should suggest to her, as she doesn't have much time, and going
in for  accupuncture treatments, or trying hands and knees might just not
work in  time.  Is it reasonable to suggest she try an ECV at this late stage
( I  know there are increased risks associated with a previous LSCS, but
she may  decide that those risks are fewer than those of a repeat section). 
I want  to suggest to her the things which have the best chance of working,
while being  honest about the risks, and failure rate, so she can make up
her own  mind.
 
   
 
  Thanks
 
   
 
  Tania
 
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I have just heard on the radio ABC - that Australia Post is not 
accepting (I think they were told not to) these for return to sender. 
But I guess they cant do anything if you affix postage.
Carolyn

Darren Sunn wrote:

Megan, I believe you simply write or  label on the front of the brochure:

Aust. Post is then obliged to return it from whence it came!

as with any unwanted postal item.

Darren
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Overdue Babies,

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Sally
This is wonderful and such an inspiration.  It would be wonderful if these
women shared their birth stories with others who go overdue.  
Congratulations on obviously giving them the support to wait and trust.  Just
curious were they first time mums?
Carolyn
www.cares-sa.org,au

Sally Westbury wrote:
   
  
   
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
  

  

  For
those who encouraged me along the jouney.
  
   
  
  The
babies who were overdue waited patiently.. while their mothers waited impatiently until Feb arrived
before their arrival. One due the 8th of jan was born the 1st
of Feb (24 days over) looking a little overcooked and weighed in at 3.6kg
despite the late scan saying 4.1kg.. 
  
   
  
   the other due the 11th of Jan arrived on the
2nd of Feb (22 days) looking not a minute overdue despite mother’s
dates and scan dates matching around 16 weeks!
  
   
  
  Both
these women resisted pressure (and bulling) from the obs involved and from
family and friends to trust themselves and their babies. I am so inspired
by them both.
  
   
  
   
  
  Sally
Westbury
  
  Homebirth
Midwife
  
   
  
  "You
are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without  show or
fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be
happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped,
yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly
say: "We did it ourselves!"
  
   from
The Tao Te Ching
  
   
  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Rita
I'm actually run CARES with Jo, so am involved with this research crisis!(tearing
our hair out and wondering where to go/move next - we are 2 mothers with
5.5children between us all under 6 so it is a challenge timewise).   I was
forwarding on the research query as a help for support for Robin Henrikson
at Monash Uni.  But that is a great idea to give her some ammo to fight for
her proposal - I'll pass it on.
Carolyn
CARES SA Inc
www.cares-sa.org.au

Deliverywoman wrote:

  This must be extremely frustrating for you Jo, but I must say isn' it
interesting, for those that read Carolyn Donaghey posting in relation to her
research being knocked back by the ethics committee.

Maybe Carolyn, you might be able to show your ethics committee Jo's
"research invitation" and say surely this is worse ?

The red tape we all have to deal with in this hierachial society,  something
has to give sometime..

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- Original Message 
From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?
Date: 04/02/03 05:12

  
  






Hi everyone,
I am back with a newly polished soap box and a
major thing to be yelling about!
I am going to jump straight into it with the stress
that I am not going to stay on the list for long (a few weeks perhaps) so

  
  you
  
  
may have to contact me off list for further details.
Okay, everyone sitting down???
 
Guess who is doing an Australian/New Zealand
multi-centred study called ACTOBAC A Controlled Trial Of Birth After

  
  Caesarean
  
  
which (wait for it) is a randomised controlled trial involving 2000

  
  women. 
  
  
The study is being conducted by Professor Caroline Crowther.  It

  
  involves
  
  
women with one previous cs and they will be randomised at 34 weeks. 

  
  Those
  
  
who are designated the vbac option will have mandatory continuous

  
  monitoring and
  
  
all the other woman unfriendly policies imposed on vbacs, inductions or
augmentations will not be excluded. The unfortunate women

  
  who are
  
  
allocated to the cs group, if they (inconveniently) go into spontaneous

  
  labour
  
  
they will be given an emergency cs.
 
How do I know all this??  CARES was contacted
after Crowther read my article in Birth Perinatal Issues Journal (Sept

  
  2002) and
  
  
asked us to make some comments on the trialwe made comments
alright!  5 pages worth for starters.  The issues and

  
  criticisms
  
  
are many and varied.  the language used is appalling, the information
biased and the methodology dubious.  An then there is the little

  
  issue of
  
  
it being completely unethical!  we got a reply after almost

  
  three
  
  
months with a "thanks for your feed back.  We are proud to announce

  
  the
  
  
trial has been approved for funding". 
this is an unacceptable and insulting response to
say the least.  we have had no further comment from them.
 
So how annoyed are you so far?? it gets
better.  As this is a long posting as it is, (typical for me huh?) If

  
  you
  
  
want to know more please let me know.  To end this email I will give

  
  you
  
  
the first paragraph from the information pamphlet provided to us by the

  
  research
  
  
team in November:
"For someone like yourself who has had a previous
caesarean section a decision needs to be made as to whether your baby is

  
  best
  
  
born by allowing a vaginal birth or whether a repeat caesarean section

  
  should be
  
  
undertaken"
 
and it gets so much
better  
hope to hear from interested parties as soon as
possible as I am writing to the ethics committees and need as much weight

  
  to
  
  
support our objections.  (ACMI National level would be appreciated if

  
  you
  
  
are listening!)  Remember that this is going to recruiting women from

  
  every
  
  
major women's & children's hospital in every capital city around this
country. 
cheers for now
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES

  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 08 8388
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben

[Carolyn Donaghey]

We still have my father's caul would you believe.  In the cupboard in the
passage!  He hasn't drowned yet, but his intuition?!  But that was always
our tradition and I come from an Irish background.
Carolyn Donaghey-Harris

Aviva Sheb'a wrote:
  
  
 
  
 

  Thank you for that...it's thoroughly
 enlightening. Are you talking about Ireland? Funnily enough, Alice, my  Active
Birth student whose emails I've fwdd to this list numerous times, just  asked
me if a baby can be born without the membranes rupturing. I told her it  would
take a hell of a lot of perineal massage...etc. I'll forward this email to
 her.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Aviva
 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 
  Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:36 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben
  
 
  
  
 
  it means with the membranes still in tact
around  the babe...certainly where I come fromm it means that the babe ,
amongst other  things will never drown at sea and should ones baby be born
'in the caul ' the  thing to do is to rush down to the habour and flog the
membranes to the nearest  fisherman...they will apparently want to buy them
as it will prevent them from  drowning at sea as well. However the baby is
also supposed to have some sort of  sixth sense or at least be particularly
intuitive , one of my children was born  with the membranes
 
   
  
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[ozmidwifery] [Fwd: [C-Aware] Plea for support.]

[Carolyn Donaghey]

 Passing this on for support of this important research proposal.  Where's
the ethics in letting women who are traumatised go home with a newborn baby
and expect to get on with life. Are they worried about opening other flood
gates?  Please email Robyn directly [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Carolyn
CARES SA Inc
www.cares-sa.org.au


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  Subject: 
  [C-Aware] Plea for support.


  Date: 
  Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:34:36 +0800


  From: 
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  Reply-To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  To: 
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Plea for support.
Hi all,
 Earlier in the week (or was it last week?) I sent an email to the List that
I received from Robyn Henriksen. She is keen to research the emotional impact
of caesarean birth on the Mother, but her proposed study is being blocked
by an ethics committee. She wrote:
 
 
What would really help from my perspective
right now, would be if you could  write a brief letter noting:
 - the need of emergency caesarean women to be able to express their  feelings
after the birth, and ...
 - a desire on their part that a woman who actually understands what they
 are going through, do this research.
 
 At present the ethics committee (Standing Committee on Ethics In Research
 Involving Humans, Monash University) are blocking my research, saying that
 they are afraid that asking questions about women's negative feelings  post-emerg.
caesar will either invoke trauma and distress where it didn't exist before,
or increase it where it does. They also have some concerns  about me being
able to be objective in doing the research given that I had  one myself 13
years ago. 
 
 In my opinion, one cannot invoke trauma merely by asking about it, one  cannot
increase emerg. caesarean women's distress by asking them about it  (it is
already as bad as it can be and being able to express feelings can  actually
be beneficial), and who else is going to be motivated to do this  research,
if not a woman who has had an emerg. caesar?! (Off the record, I  am sure
the ethics committee, being familiar with how it is constituted, is  not
totally devoid of bias and subjectivity in its judgements!) So if you could
write a letter (less than a page would do), highlighting  the above points
and put it on Birthrites letterhead, or provide contact  details and a signature
to verify its authenticity, I am sure it would add  a lot of weight to my
case, as they would rightly see your organisation as reflective of expert
opinion.
 
 You could then send this to me at:
 Ms Robyn Henriksen,
 P.O. Box 552,
 Geelong, Vic. 3220.
 
 And I will pass it on to the ethics committee. There should be time for
a  hard copy letter to get to me before I have to hand my reply and supportive
 evidence to them at the start of Feb. (I think a hardcopy letter would  carry
more weight than e-mail.)
 

 I have written this letter of support from Birthrites (see below) and encourage
others to also offer Robyn support in her study. She would need any further
letters in the next day or so, as she is sending them off early next week.
Okay? If you are willing to write one, please email her to let her know of
your support, and impending letter, at: robynh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 ===
 To Whom It May Concern,
 
 Our organization, Birthrites: Healing After Caesarean Inc., has become aware
of the research proposal that Ms Robyn Henriksen wishes to undertake; in
which she will provide a questionnaire to women who have experienced caesarean
birth. We understand that the questionnaire will explore each woman’s emotional
reaction to the caesarean birth of their child, thereby providing input into
ways in which childbirth professionals can improve the emotional outcome
of future surgical births.
 
 Since 1997 Birthrites has provided support, and information, to women who
have experienced caesarean birth. The ability to talk about what they have
experienced, especially to someone who has experienced a similar birth, has
been found to be a basic requirement towards the emotional healing of these
women. Talking about the birth experience has been demonstrated to be a positive
step towards healing, not a negative one. As Ms. Henriksen has experienced
a caesarean herself, she seems the perfect empathetic candidate to conduct
such research.
 
 Women who have experienced caesarean births in which they report related
emotional distress are often keen to be involved in improving maternity services,
in order to prevent similar experiences from happening to others. Thus a
post-birth questionnaire, as proposed by Ms Henriksen, would fulfil a two-fold
duty – in that it would provide recognition of the possibility, and prevalence,
of emotional trauma related to caesarean birth, and it could also then be
used as a positive step towards improvements that could be initiated in such
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Trauma Support Groups

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Cas
I am not sure if you are aware that CARES SA is in Adelaide, South Australia.
 So if you have someone from that area I may be able to put them in contact
with someone.  If this woman from the Mount wants to speak to someone I can
put her in touch.  Give her my email.  Check our website and also Birthrites
have an extensive list of known organisations to them.  Let me know what
you find out as I often get contacted by women interstate.

Carolyn
www.cares-sa.org.au

Wayne and Caroline McCullough wrote:
  
  
  Message
   
  
 

  I have  recently come into contact with other women
via the essentialbaby website, some  of them very new mothers, who have had
traumatic or stressful births and are  feeling left out, alone, and depressed
because of problems surrounding their  experiences.
 
   
 
  One  lady who gave birth by emergency C-Sect. just
over a week ago has contacted me  from Mount Gambier, South Australia and
could really use someone to talk to who  is not so far away (I am in Brisbane).
She was separated from her baby for  several hours and has been unable to
breastfeed but seems to be bonding with the  baby okay now. She just seems
to need a sympathetic ear and someone (or a group  of people) who can help
her come to terms with the fallout from her baby's birth  (induced at 39
weeks for PE, Induct. failed, foetal distress, C-Sect,  Separation, No BF).
If anyone has any information about support groups that deal  with birth
trauma, or maybe even PND in this area, could you please email  me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] asap.
 
 
   
 
  Also,  I would like to put a database together
of support groups that deal with this  from all around Australia if possible
so if you know of any organisations or  groups that are there to help women
debrief about their birth experiences please  email me the location of the
group, contact person and  information. Once I have the  info I will distribute it to the
list and to relevant  websites.
 
   
 
  Many  thanks,
 
   
 
  Cas  McCullough
 
   
 
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA coffee morning

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Megan
Thanks for the update.  Where will they be held, or should I put your 
number down as a contact for people interested as I'd like to include it 
in the next newsletter which is almost ready to go out.
Carolyn

Larry & Megan wrote:

Hi everyone,

just sending you the dates for our gatherings for 2003, topics are not
decided. We have found that people are happy to just share and discuss, as
is shown by how long it takes to do a round. If you particularly want a
subject matter or a guest speaker then suggest away and it can be organised.
Likewise if any are intersted in looking after this aspect of Birth Matters
then your assitance is more than welcome, just let me know. We are
introducing evening sessions this year, accommodating those who are working
during the day, but everyone is welcome as always. Summer edition of our
newsletter is not finished so please note the first coffee morning is on
Thursday 13th Feb, 10am-12. Not everyone is on e-mail so please pass this on
to those you know who would be interested but aren't on the internet.
Thanks for your support and I look forward to catching up with everyone in
2003,

Megan Resch.


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Birth and Beyond

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I would love to go when in Adelaide, is there a discount for ABA members 
to attend, I didn't note anything on the rego form?
Carolyn
CARES SA

barbara glare & chris bright wrote:

Hi,

Just a reminader that the Australian Breastfeeding Association's seminar
"Breastfeeding: Birth and Beyond" featuring Sheila Kitzinger as keynote
speaker will be held at the Carlton Crest Hotel on Feb 27th 2003.  Early
Bird Registrations ($110) close of Friday Jan 10th.  You can download the
registration forms from http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/products/happen.html
or e-mail me to post you a copy of the registration form.
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It may well be the last time Sheila visits Australia.  There are some other
great speakers on the program - Dr Mary Smale and Fiona Dykes from the UK,
Donna Ramsay, Pinky McKay and Jenni James.

The seminar will also be held in Adelaide on March 1st with a slightly
different line-up of speakers.

Love, Barb

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: mothers rights in public hospital

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Title: Message



Hi Caroline
Having done exactly what you are preparing to do now, some 3 years ago, I
can share some of my experience.  You can always read my birth story on the
CARES SA website www.cares-sa.org.au .(our new address and domain name woo
hoo!).

At 30 weeks, I changed obstetricians to someone supportive of my need for
a non-interventionist birth and employed the services of a brilliant independent
midwife.  I cleared it with the mids at the hospital, who all were very supportive
on face value. I had a great labour in hospital, basically they were so short
staffed that we were left alone most of the time.  They knew I didn't need
them.
  
My biggest thing was to labour at home as long as possible, the best protection
against any type of intervention in my book.  At 8 cms (my first VE) I really
needed to leave home and go to hospital.  My midwife and I had discussed
this previously, and or some reason that I did not understand I really needed
to be in hospital to have this baby.  Fears existed that I didn't and still
dont fully understand, but I know they came from my upbringing largely.  We
got to hospital and my membranes ruptured and I went back to 5cms dilation.
 I laboured on all fours in the shower for the entire labour, my obstetrician
had to get down on the floor in the shower to move and anterior lip that
had formed on my cervix - probably due to position, but a big posterior baby
meant I couldn't get comfortable in any other position. I only had intermittent
doppler monitoring and no IV - it just wasn't necessary.   I had no interventions
until the last moment after pushing for 1.5 hours, he was still posterior.
 After some negotiation, which was always done through my midwife (fully
recommend this way), we decided to agree to a ventouse rotation.  He rotated
and shot out so quickly it was incredible, and although I was in stirrups
it was a small compromise after 20 hours of labour.  It was not ideal, and
I know this probably needn't have happened, however, I am also realistic
about the private hospital system.  Theatre staff are not always available,
pressures were placed on my ob to decide whether the theatre staff needed
to stay or go home at 1am in the morning.  No excuse, but just a reality.

The greatest thing about the labour was my midwife, she shone like a star
for both my husband and myself.  Yes, how your partner feels is vitally important
to most women.  We need them there, emotionally and physically - they're
not much good at understanding birth etc but we love them and need them.
 I think a fathers fears must be considered and if there is enough time you
can work through them.  For me, it is the next birth that I am able to address
his fears and my own fears - as I still have plenty.  A vbac woman, usually
has heaps of doubts and fears that a women who has had a vaginal birth previously
can not imagine.  It is like a cauldron of conflicting emotions and rational
thoughts, usually after a negative first birth experience emotions can get
the better of you.  What is important for any woman is that she births
in an environment she feels safe and secure in, surround by people she trusts.
 Trust is the key!  Make sure you can trust this ob, sounds like you
can.  Just let him know that you will only want to see him if there is a
truly medically indicated need, something your midwife will know way in advance
anyway. We are all aware of the complete failure of the private hospital
system to provide women with safe, non-interventionist births in a midwifery
model - lets pray for the day that will come.  However, it is possible to
gather a team of health care providers who you can trust and who will respect
your wishes for birth, even in the private system.  I know, because I did
it.

Good luck, wishing you a beautiful birth experience.  Stay true to who you
are as a person and as parents.
Carolyn
CARES SA

Wayne and Caroline McCullough wrote:

  
  
  
I am  new to this group as of today but wanted to comment on this thread.
My second  baby is due in April, I am VBAC and we are going to a private
hospital in  Brisbane (I can hear the gasps already : ) ). Anyway, I am wondering
if private  "patients" can be refused treatment if they do not consent to
monitoring or IV  lines. After all, what are they going to do, throw a pregnant
woman out on the  street? I am taking a private traditional midwife with
me to the hospital to  provide birth support and advocate on my behalf (the
hospital is aware of this  and has so far been supportive) so hopefully this
will make refusal much easier.  I am not entirely sure I can talk my doctor
around before the birth, but will  try anyway. He seems pretty reasonable
overall (for an obgyn anyway). He's even  agreed to deliver breech (probably
the only doc in Brisbane who still does  breech deliveries, although not
all that often anymore because most women assume  breech means cut).
   
  
Please  let me know if anyone has any thoughts on this.
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Caesareans!

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Pinky
I had a similar gut-renching experience recently at Burnside War Memorial
Hospital in Adelaide.  A Friday afternoon, had to see the CNM to give her
the caesarean awareness day info.  She was still in theatre scrubs and when
I asked her if she had just come back from a cs, she said breathlessly and
calmly 'oh yes, its just been caesar after caesar today!'.  I walked out
of there and literally felt physically ill and crying - those poor women
and they probably all believed they saved their babies lives.
Christmas time is also the worst time for caesareans.  Glad tidings we bring,
to you here today.
Carolyn
CARES SA

Pinky McKay wrote:

  
  
  Hi ,
  Yesterday I had a wee chat to Bruce Sutherland
- he  started the Hawthorn Birth Centre and still has a few births there
each month as  well as his other obstetric practice. He was telling me -
utterly mortfied -  that the previous day a well known private hospital in
Melbourne had a busy  day, according the the midwives there . Yes, they said
- 13 births!!! - TEN  of these births were caesareans!!
  Bruce was beside himself - "Thats 70 percent
- what  IS going on??" He also told me how he had refused to do a caesarean
for a mum  having her 3rd baby =apparently the woman had two straightforwod
births  previously but her 'friends' had convinced her a csection would be
the 'easy  way'. Eventually he 'compromised' and gave this woman an epidural
and induction  that she was demanding - she had a 3 hr labour and easy birth.
  
   
   
  Bruce is a legend but I am thinking he
must be  utterly baffled by the present trends for intervention He would
have seen  so many changes over the years - he is now helping women whose
mothers went to  him!
  He has fought enormously hard to give
women  natural births - introducing Leboyer births, then later setting up
Hawthorn  Birth Centre and including a large Birthing pool so women could
 labour/birth in water as he wasnt comfortable with the mother/ baby separation
 when Leboyer babies were put into a bath - mothers and babies  (and partners/
support people) can be together in the tub at the birth  Centre .
   
  An interesting 'chat'.
  Pinky
   
   
  
  
  
  

[ozmidwifery] VBAC woman seeking supportive midwife/obstetrician in Riverland, SA

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I have been contacted by a woman in Waikerie in South Australias 
Riverland, who has been told by her present ob that she can not have a 
vbac at all.  Had a damn CT pelvimetry with first baby after it popped 
out of her pelvis at 38 weeks and was 'electively' sectioned for an 
inadequate pelvis. GR!
This creep of an obstetrician is not even willing to let her try.  She 
is 4 months so needs a good referral ASAP. Hope someone knows a 
wonderful midwife I could refer her to.
TIA
Carolyn
CARES SA

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Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the power of the mind

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I hear so many woment these days saying that they had little or no pain after
their cs. My greatest difficulty with this is how these women dupe themselves
into thinking that they had no pain and not correlate it with how they avoided
feeling the pain, and would be interest to hear others thoughts.  OK the
post natal drugs are very effective and give women the illusion that their
body is not in pain, BUT what are the consequences to the poor breastfeeding
baby of these powerful narcotics?.  Why do women who avoid alcohol, panadol
and soft cheese for 9 months suddenly become happy about ingesting drugs
more powerful than any of these and any they are likely to take in their
life?  Why aren't these women worried about the effect on their baby
(assuming the cs was performed for the babies safety as is the usual argument),
are these things discussed with women before the drug is administered?  I
dont recall ever being told the possible side effects. 

Carolyn

rem & melissa bruijn wrote:

  
On the topic of control...I love it when women say they want a cs cause theyare more in controlgot news for them!  Unless they are multi-skilled anddam flexible and have the scalpel in their own hands, they are in no way incontrol!Jo Bainbridge

So right, Jo!  Being pinned down and not being able to move your legs is ahorrible feeling - NO sense of control there.And on the subject of "reasons" for a c/sec...I find it interesting when Ihear women say that they want a c/sec because they hate pain.  I can sayfrom experience that a c/sec is in no way pain-free.  Especially thepostnatal period.  Trying to sit-up with a fresh slice across your belly,add to that a uterine infection or scar infection (which most women I talkto have had one or the other), bleeding and mashed raw nipples (from tryingto feed lying down b/c it is too painful for your belly to sit up, but thenit is too hard to get proper attachment lying down, hence the nippledamage), feet blown up like puffer-fish for days and extremely tender, andall without those releasing hormones of birth.Now THAt is not pain-free.Sigh - I am a little cynical these days.<
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Re: [ozmidwifery] what doctors learn at med school!

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I had the dubious pleasure of sharing last semester with a group of first
year medical students, of which one wished to become an obstetrician, but
she couldn't tell me why?  They were all in my opinion, abnormally focussed
on litigation - this was first years  What was really scary was they
had no idea - they thought the reason we had the highest intervention and
cs rates in Australia was because of our lower socio-economic group women.
 When I asked if they could explain why the healthiest and most affluent
women of our community experience the most intervention they were struck
dumb.  
These young women will be unleashed on the community in approx. 7 years;
God help us!

Carolyn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
Hi again all,
  
 had an interesting afternoon today at a BBQ with some old work mates...One
friend who I worked at CSIRO with eons ago (past life stuff) like me had
a radical change in occupation and went to do nursing...she finished her
nursing about 8 years agoanyhowshe brought a friend to the BBQ ...a
"work colleague" I just assumed this woman was a nurse too...anyhow got
chatting as you do...my friend announced to her "work colleague" that I was
doing midwifery.So your a nurse too she asked...No...I'm not a nurse
doing the new Bachelor of Midwiferybla bla"Direct entry" my friend
announcesone of THOSE midwives who think they are not part of the nursing
profession. ...Well that went down REAL well...she always did know how to
get my hackles up...thought I had educated her better than that...but can
see she has been educated by others than just I...:-((
  
 No not "direct entry" I replied...we don't do direct entry nursingor
direct entry medicine...or direct law or accounting...bla bla bla..Anyhow
...finally this "work colleague" couldn't resist and announced that she was
a MO...doing her internshipand wanted to know more about "the likes of
you" doing midwifery without nursing first"do you do any physiology???"
bla bla bla I guess you can imagine the conversation from there...
  
 The conversion progressed quickly back to medicine...I wanted to pick her
brains about being a beginning practitioner and her thoughts on the health
care system...What struck me immediately was her sheer arrogance and lack
of understanding of peopleamazingAccording to her the general public
are all "fu-k--- nuff nuffs""parents have no parenting skills".."the
public all just want to sue us". She was just fascinated to think that I
would even consider private practice as a midwife..."too scary - you must
be fu--ing mad!!" and "noone from uni is even considering obs and gynae as
its just too risky". 
  
 This woman is 25 years old and already educated with the 'fear factor'.
She stated openly that as doctors they are taught at med school that a "trusting
relationship with your patients" is non existent as the patient only looks
to the doctor fix up their problems and will sue if they don't..and the doctor
looks at the patient thinking all you want is to sue meI was totally
blown away by this...oh yeh she says..."its the underlying premise in all
that we do"..."we have to always be thinking at every moment...are you the
one who is going to make my life hell?"
  
 How scary is this folks???These are the obs of the future...This woman has
this level of fear ingrained into her already..I couldn't believe what I
was hearingI was almost lost for words...beleive it or not!
  
 Ahhh I said..."that's where midwives have it all over doctorsour basic
premise is trustfor if we can't establish our professional relationships
on thatlike you guys are discovering...when it all comes tumbling downyou
have nothing else"
  
 Trust and communication.two important factors in not getting sued I'd
reckon..but hey who am Ionly a "nuf nuff" in her eyes...
  
 Cheers Tina P.
  
  
  

[ozmidwifery] CARES SA COFFEE EVENING

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi All 

Just a quick reminder that CARES coffee evening is this Wednesday night!!
 Sorry about the very late notice, my Uni committments have been very consuming.

Wednesday 23rd October  
From 8pm 
Carolyn's House 
27 Wellington Street, Glandore SA 5037 
Phone 8293 8333 


Please bring a small plate to share and a gold coin donation or stamps  would
be appreciated.  A lot of women who have contacted us over the last 12 months
have given birth in the last month or are expecting within the next month,
we wish them the very best of thoughts for their births and hope that they
are all beautiful events, no matter what the outcome.  Dont forget to let
us know how it all goes; as we sit here thinking about you wonderful, powerful
birthing women. :-) 

Looking forward to seeing you then.
Bye for now. 
Carolyn Donaghey-Harris 
CARES SA Inc 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Nick Fisk

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Also dont forget that Nick Fisk was bred in the land of the fearful obstetrician
- Australia. We're now exporting their fear based agenda's.

Jo & Dean Bainbridge wrote:
01c270cc$fdfc39c0$0360443d@amd400">
  
  
  For those who don't know, he is on record
as being  very pro-CS.
Oh! don't forget though that he is anti-riding a bike  without a helmet and
drink driving!  (in reference to the stupid  remark he made about 12 month
back, that drink driving is safer than natural  child birth)  once again...my
comments thick with sarcasm!
  Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
phone: 08  8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...
  

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To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:05PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio programand Uk survey



In a message dated 10/10/02 6:04:34 PM W. AustraliaStandard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:



I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they  also
quoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have  increased
because we are a risk intolerantsociety.
  
  
  
Good ol' Nick Fisk.  I rememberapproaching him once at a conference to
ask him a question.  I could seehim reading my name badge, and when he
saw I was with the NCT he actuallyblanched :-)  However, I treated him
very gently :-)  
  
Forthose who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS.
  
DebbieSlater
Perth, WA
  
  
  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] ImpactOf Loosing LaylaSequel

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I have heard women say in regards to this couples first experience 'Just 
look at the Losing Layla programme, then you will see how dangerous 
vaginal birth is'.  So maybe some significant damage has already been 
done?  This second doco, depending on the way it was handled, will 
probably just reinforce this belief.  And give more power and cred to 
the field of obstetrics?
It is a real worry.  I make no judgement on the couples choice, as it is 
deeply personal and complex. I am just worried how it will be portrayed 
on Aust Story - which are usually very balanced.

Denise Hynd wrote:

>Dear All
>I am concerned at one of the strong messages of the forthcoming Loosing
>Layla Sequel
>= having an elective C/S is safe and sure to have a live baby!??
>
>We know it is not but there is nothing out in the media to counter this
>argument, idea,  in fact we have noted and argued about other mainstream
>programs which have said this but here it is again!! Here it is again!!
>
>please can we write to Australain Story and ask them to do a program on the
>midwives who got midwifery care as a publicly funded option in WA and SA and
>how now women across Australia want this option!!
>
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[ozmidwifery] CARES coffee morning

[Carolyn Donaghey]

CARES SA COFFEE MORNING
 Wednesday 9th October 2002
>From 10am
AT Jo's House
26 Elizabeth Street, Nairne
Phone 8388 6918


Come along and share your caesarean and vbac experiences with other women
and partners.  Please bring a small plate of morning tea to share, coffee
and tea etc provided.  A gold coin donation, or stamps would be appreciated
to help cover CARES running costs.  Children always welcome, and dont worry
if you are late.

We look forward to seeing you there.

Carolyn Donaghey-Harris
CARES SA Inc

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Petition

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Petition



Thanks Debby and Justine
Thanks for the advice, we have collected well over 100 signatures petitioning
for VBAC to be accepted into Birth Centres.  It is all the more urgent now
that Flinders Med. have made a reversal of this right for vbac women 8 weeks
ago.  We have women who were going to birth in the birth centre up until
they were 30+ weeks and have been told, no sorry you are not eligible and
now you have the pleasure of labouring with continues ctg, bung inserted
and restrictions on nutrional intake (water only?).  So our little petition
was just an idea, to try and get WCH to accept vbac, but now it is appearing
to be imperative.  Something about these new perinatal protocols?
We hadn't considered presenting the petition to parliament it was just the
hospitals were our focus, but I think we need to possibly change the petition
we have to incorporate this.  I have heard that it is very depressing to
hear parliament read out the multitudes of petitions, but one of our most
successful petitions was the Women's Suffrage petition of 1894 in SA so there
is hope.  Any opinions on whether it is worth approaching parliament?
Thanks again, anyone who has our petition please hold off on getting it signed.
 
Carolyn
CARES SA

Justine Caines wrote:

  
  


 Jan and Jo (and anyone else who wants to raise petitions eg. in support
of NMAP),

 Don't know if you have seen this site but you can easily raise online petitions
here at no cost.

 http://www.petitionpetition.com/literature/freepetitions/index.html

 Debby

  

Debby and all

 Just some advice on petitions, if one wants the petition to be tabled in
any parliament then you must conform with the particular parliaments conventions
on petitons (you need to say dumb stuff like “I pray” etc etc.

 I did not see the posting on what the petition is about but it’s just useful
advice, especially in these new times of NMAP and being  in governments face
about the lack of midwife care.

 The Federal Government has a petitions officer in the tables office and
information could be obtained by the Clerk in State Parliaments. Because
if the correct words are not adhered to it cannot be tabled, typical bureaucracy!!.

 Hope this helps

 Justine
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Veronica
Wow, you seem to have your work cut out for you.  I will give you some good
information to back up the validity and the antiquity of the term VBAC.

Refer to the book Silent Knife: Cesarean Prevention and Vaginal Birth after
Cesarean (1983) Nancy Wainer Cohen & Lois J Estner New York.  This book
is a must in the library of any midwife supporting vbac women.
"In the 1970s, more studies substaintiated the safety of VBAC; yet women
were still being sectioned more than 99percent of the time.  Still, the winds
of change were blowing.  In 1974, Nancy coined the term "VBAC" and by 1975
she was hearing the acronym being used all over the country and was seeing
it in medical articles as well. "  page 94 Silent Knife

The book is getting quite old now, but most of what is written still holds
true today, and it is a confronting and challenging book to give food for
thought.

Congratulations Veronica on being informed and up-to-date with the last 3
plus decades ;-) .
Carolyn
PS I was under the impression that a woman who had never experienced pushing
stage, would indeed push just like a first time mother.  Certainly was the
case for my vbac, took me ages to work out that oh this was pushing not more
posterior labour DERR!
Veronica Herbert wrote:
004701c262fc$55ed7060$9245d0cb@pbncomputer">
  
  
  Dear all,
   
  Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of
the word  VBAC.  The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change
what I  say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's (somebody
said  that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had never heard
of it.  Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and printed off
copies of the  paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind Carolyn) wrote and
I placed a copy  in the postnatal ward, labour ward, special care nursery,
and the tea room.  
  Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have
a VBAC  today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to
push for 20  minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she
hadn't pushed it  out.  Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that
was a little  unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm dilated, and
she  had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/? By the way, she
got to  about 5cms and was in good established labour managing well, had
a V.E (was  quite disappointed that she was "Half way"), had pethidine, contractions
eased  off and she went for a C/S!
   
  from Veronica Herbert
  (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat)
  

- Original Message - 

From:
Jo& Dean Bainbridge


To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac


Dear Lynne
It is good to hear that you don't use
ECG forvbac.  Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate
policiesbut they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need
those who LOVEpolicies to start to listen.)  Where do you work?
We would also like some stats to back
the successof vbac without  ECG.
Could I send you a petition for your
(obviouslyintelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to
sign.  OurRANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get vbac
out of the realmof normal and back into the good old High Risk category. 
    
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

phone: 088388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...

  
- Original Message - 
  
From:
Lynne  Staff
  
  
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09  PM
  
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
  
  
  We don't use continuous EFM for women
 planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too.
Yes,  it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage
of women  giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem to have
more street  cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned)
at our unit  has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's.
   
  Passion of mine!!!
  

- Original Message - 

From:
Jo& Dean Bainbridge


To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57PM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac



hieveryone,
I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition beingconducted

through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable optionin birth

centres.  The word is that the new perinatal protocolswill be calling

for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus willremove them from

birth centre care.
I have a hard copy petition andwe are working on an online version
but 
need to know if there isanyone out there that I can send the hard
copy 
t

Re: [ozmidwifery] language

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi Sue
Your program is truly positive, it is unfortunately quite unique.  I 
wish it was otherwise.  There are some really dedicated people here in 
Adelaide plugging away at the 'system'.  We live in hope of enlightening 
others about vbac and caesarean issues.  We have one private hospital 
here who offer a vbac education class, but the demand is so low that she 
does it on a one on one basis now.  Motivation and encouragement is an 
ongoing need, I agree.  But is gets me fired up when I hear this type of 
thing (veronica's incident), as women are very influenced by passing 
comments made by midwives and obstetricians, and will often take them at 
face value.  
Thank you for all the wonderful work you do, it is fantastic.
Carolyn

Sue Crosby wrote:

> Carolyn,
> On a more positive note, I was at work today and asked by one of my 
> midwife colleagues could I please talk to two of our women who had had 
> caesarean births about out vbac program.
> On introducing myself and the information I had for one of the women 
> before I had even mentioned our vbac program she said a friend of hers 
> had already spoken to her about vbac's and told her about our program.
> Our unit is a small unit in rural Victoria.
> Please keep up with your motivation because it does start to diffuse.
> Take care everyone,
> Regards,
> Sue Crosby,
> Midwife
>
>
>> From: Carolyn Donaghey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] language
>> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:15:09 +0930
>>
>>> The other day at handover I said a woman had had a "VBAC" instead of 
>>> "Trial of scar".  And 3 of the 4 midwives said "What do you mean?, 
>>> what is that?" and I tried to explain that trial of scar was 
>>> disempowering to women and that it was setting them up for failure. 
>>> The 4th midwife who knew what it meant said "It's one of those new 
>>> words they learn out at Uni"and they basically laughed at me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Go Veronica!  What is really scary is that VBAC women would be cared 
>> for by these dinosaurs who probably still think that once a caesarean 
>> always a caesarean is the 'safest way'.  We are actually constantly 
>> amazed that a term such a vbac which was coined in the early 70's 
>> should be unknown by midwives.
>> Carolyn
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Dear Debby
What a wonderful birth, congratulations.  I am sure you are completely over
the moon after your struggle for your right to birth in your choice of environment.
 Lets hope you have paved the way for more women to have vbac's in birth
centres.
Thanks for managing to birth her on the National Caesarean Awareness Day,
can we make her an honorary Vbacker Wacker?  That's what we call our cherubs
 :-D .
I concur with what you said about doula's, dont like that term much though.
The role of doula is not associated with the role of a midwife, a doula is
an independent person not working for the hospital and therefore has no responsibilities
for the hospital.  Each one has their own speciality and need.  Research
has also shown, that the benefits experienced by having a doula, were actually
due to the fact that she was only acting to support the woman emotionally
and physically. And for a VBAC woman, a doula is in my opinion - essential!
 Along with continuity of midwifery care, of course - but that is an obvious
fact.  Continuity and known carers are the key.
Enjoy your 'little' bundle of joy, hope she sleeps and breastfeeds like a
dream.

Carolynx

Debby M wrote:

  
  Hi Ladies,
   
  Just to let you know my little daughter came into the world at 00.40am
on 11th Sept 02.  She was my 2nd VBAC.
   
  It was a wonderful experience.  I had been "niggly" all day but just
thought it was braxton hicks.  I finally went into proper labour after putting
my boys to bed at about 7.30 - 8.00 pm.  
   
  We only just made it to the hospital, arriving at 11.45pm and it took
me a good 10mins and 3 contractions to get from the car to the RWH Birth
Centre Brisbane.
   
  She was a "sort of" water birth.  Her head was born under water but
then it was realised that her shoulder was stuck so I had to stand up to
allow my wonderful midwife Marg to free her - and she did it with no episiotomy
and only a tiny first degree tear.  Claire was a little flat after her birth
and needed some oxygen but picked up quickly and was fine by 10mins. We went home
the same day at 7.30pm and she is a lovely content baby.
   
  The support I had from Marg, my wonderful husband Philip and my super
doula Ann was just wonderful.  I experienced this birth with no pain relief
what so ever - it never really even occurred to me to have any.  Despite
the hiccup of the shoulder dystocia this was definitely my best birth.  
   
  I have seen there has been some debate on doulas vs midwives - well
a simple opinion from a woman who had both at her birth.  There is a place
for both.  I had a good relationship with Marg and trusted her implicitly
but she was my professional carer and this was her primary role necessitating
her to potentially make decisions that required a degree of professional
detachment for both my care and the baby's.  Ann as my doula did not have
to have any professional detachment at all.  Even when Marg had to provide
the "medical" attention to release Claire's shoulder Ann was able to provide
for me a mothering role and advice to Philip and me that everything was ok
and to keep applying supporting services, like the water being poured over
my back and some strong shoulders to lean on and hold.   I think it needs
to be recognised that the trust relationship between the midwife and woman
is very important and that there is no doubt the midwife!  a! ! s carer can
provide valuable support and advice on support to the woman and her spouse
- however sometimes there are "hiccups" and they must be her first priority
and it is particularly at these times that the full value of the doula comes
into play.
   
  Anyway just some food for thought.
   
  Debby
  Mum of Claire Elizabeth Margaret Miller
  Born: 11 Sept 02
  Weight: 4080g (9lb)  Length: 52cm  Head: 34.7cm
  Features: Reddish blond hair, long fingers and absolutely beautiful.
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Severe Nausea

[Carolyn Donaghey]

I believe that W&CH did a trial on ginger (still going on?), which 
proved to be very effective in controlling nausea.  A good friend of 
mine is just going through the worst nausea of all her pregnancies and 
she has been taking ginger tablets, as she hates ginger.  It seemed to 
be help her enormously.  I dont know the quanitities recommended though. 
 She is still dog tired at 14 weeks, maybe its because its the third bubs.
Carolyn

Julia Monaghan wrote:

>Hi, no ideas how to fix severe nausea but it is important to keep up the
>fluids. I was recommended water with fresh lemon juice and found it easier
>to keep down than plain water. Hiope this helps, Cheers, Julia M.
>
>Does anyone on the list have any more suggestions for a friend who has
>severe morning sickness & is now 9+ weeks pregant? SShe has tried
>acupuncture & chinese herbs as well as being admitted for IV  rehydration &
>being given Maxalon, Vit B6 & even dexamethasone. I thought I'd consult the
>list for any more ideas.
>Thanks in anticipation.
>Rose
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Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Title: Message



What is civilised about being dissected.  I see no reference in the article
that this woman had any exposure to any informed information or people.  Just
a bunch of girlfriends who obviously had the vaginal births from hell, over
managed and intervened, one of which was an obstetrician who are notorious
for wanting caesareans for themselves due to their own distorted view of
birth - and the intelligent and sympathetic consultation with her obstetrician
(who probably thought, 'sure thing, it makes my job so much easier, I get
a bit more money from the government and then I get to see you throughout
the rest of your life for all the potential complications you may suffer
from the section'.
Egad!  What a disastrous way of informing women about caesareans.  All I
could keep thinking was, this must be an add supported by all those zillions
of surgical organisations that have an interest in women having caesareans.
Woe is me!
Carolyn
Vicki Chan wrote:
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but  lucky to be oh so civilized!
  
check  this out!
   
  
http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614
  
  

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And has changed her birthgiving life
   forever

  
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I hope that she is  advised to sue. This is gross negligence.
  
 
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] NCAD

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Thanks Tania

It was great to see you there, and thank you for all the wonderful work you
do supporting women.
We had a fabulous day, and the turn out of approx 50+ women, dads and caesarean
cherubs was wonderful.  Weather was perfect, hearts were spectacular and
everyone was in a sharing and joyful mood.  It certainly was a truly positive
thing to do on a day that was filled with so much sadness elsewhere in the
world.
Jo and I are quite shattered today, but will write up something intelligent
about what happened soon.  We have photos that will be on the website in
the next couple of weeks also.
Thanks again, and it was great to see BMID students coming along, they are
going to make wonderful midwives.
Carolyn
CARES SA Inc

Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood wrote:
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  Just wanted to let everyone know that the picnic in
Rymill  Park today, to mark NCAD was fantastic.  Thanks to Jo, Carolyn and
Emma for  your ongoing dedication and hard work with CARES.  Well done!!
   
  Tania
   
  
  
  
  

[ozmidwifery] VBAC after 2cs in Sydney

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Hi
Hope someone can assist.  Have a lady who needs referral to a supportive 
obstetrician who is not going to hook her up to constant monitoring or 
try to induce her after two caesareans.  She lives near Pennant Hills 
and is booked into the SAN Hospital.
She really needs to change, I personally think, as this obstetrician 
induced her for her last baby.  Failed induction and a 9lb 7oz baby.  It 
would appear she has a history of long pregnancy and large babies - 
perfectly normal of course.
Thanks
Carolyn


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfest SA

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Woo Hoo!
Having participated in the 2000 Breastfest, when we were outdone by Tassie?and
we were so sad,  I am thrilled.  Wish I was still breastfeeding.  ABA should
be so proud of what they do supporting women and babies. Pity more women
dont think to use them when they breastfeed.
Carolyn

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  Hi All!
  We had a wonderful result
at the  SA Breastfest this morning - 767 breastfeeding babies!!!
  Well past the record of
 536.
  The organisers did a fantastic
job  considering how many people there were.
  How did the other states
 go??
  Hugs, Larissa 
  "How can you
have too  many babies?
That's like having too many flowers."
~Mother  Theresa~
  
  
  
  

VBAC Support

[Carolyn Donaghey]

Dear Ozmidders
This is my first foray into the ozmid list. I am Carolyn 
Donaghey-Harris, Jo Bainbridge's  buddy from CARES SA :-P .
We have had a query from a lady in N Z who is seeking vbac support. 
 Does anyone know of any groups or midwifery support services for vbac 
in NZ?
Thanks
Carolyn

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