Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis
Thanks Anne, I have that book and, sure enough, the activity is there. Ta! Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Anne Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis Dear Tracy, It is a terrific activity. I teach this activity in all my classes. The activity (explanation) that you have requested is in Andrea's book 'Empowering Women' p75. Have you tried to contact Andrea for a copy of the activity? If you like I could type the explanation out and email it to you when I get some time to do it? Are you in a hurry to get this information? Regards, Anne Clarke - Original Message - From: PaulTracy To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis Hi all. Wondering if anybody can help me. I went to an active birth course with Andrea Robertson and really liked the activity she does which explores the pelvis in simple language and basically demonstrates how the pelvis is designed to give birth. I will be ordering a video shortly from Birth International that explains this but if anybody has a written copy of the activity that I can get on line, I would most appreciate it. I am sure I had a copy of one from the course but have misplaced it somewhere. Thanks Tracy
Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis
Thanks Nola, I have that book and have found the activity. Thanks for your help. - Original Message - From: Nola Aicken To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis Or try ... Andrea explains it well in her text 'EmpoweringWomen'.Referher 1994 edition 'learning about the pelvis', p143. Regards Nola - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis In a message dated 8/03/03 1:06:30 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all. Wondering if anybody can help me. I went to an active birth course with Andrea Robertson and really liked the activity she does which explores the pelvis in simple language and basically demonstrates how the pelvis is designed to give birth. I will be ordering a video shortly from Birth International that explains this but if anybody has a written copy of the activity that I can get on line, I would most appreciate it. I am sure I had a copy of one from the course but have misplaced it somewhere. ThanksTracyHi Tracytry Janet Balaskas' 'Active Birth' Book.in this book Janet does the similar pelvic exploration activity that Andrea does in her workshopsshe takes you through it step by step...with the diagrams and other relative commentary ..The copy I have is Balaskas J. (1989)see pages...22-27Hope this helps..regards Tina PettigrewB Mid Student ACU Melb.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis
Thanks Andrea, I have a copy of your book so thanks for that. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis Hi Tracy, You'll find the exercise explained in Empowering Women - teaching active birth. The video gives it to you in a visual format (and includes some extra bits as well). I don't have it in an on-line version or on the web site. Hope this helps... Andrea At 12:51 PM 8/03/2003, PaulTracy wrote: Hi all. Wondering if anybody can help me. I went to an active birth course with Andrea Robertson and really liked the activity she does which explores the pelvis in simple language and basically demonstrates how the pelvis is designed to give birth. I will be ordering a video shortly from Birth International that explains this but if anybody has a written copy of the activity that I can get on line, I would most appreciate it. I am sure I had a copy of one from the course but have misplaced it somewhere. Thanks Tracy - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis
Thanks Tina, I have a copy of Andrea Robertsons book "empowering women" and have managed to find it in that, thanks to the Oz mid site. Thanks for your suggestion all the same. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis In a message dated 8/03/03 1:06:30 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all. Wondering if anybody can help me. I went to an active birth course with Andrea Robertson and really liked the activity she does which explores the pelvis in simple language and basically demonstrates how the pelvis is designed to give birth. I will be ordering a video shortly from Birth International that explains this but if anybody has a written copy of the activity that I can get on line, I would most appreciate it. I am sure I had a copy of one from the course but have misplaced it somewhere. ThanksTracyHi Tracytry Janet Balaskas' 'Active Birth' Book.in this book Janet does the similar pelvic exploration activity that Andrea does in her workshopsshe takes you through it step by step...with the diagrams and other relative commentary ..The copy I have is Balaskas J. (1989)see pages...22-27Hope this helps..regards Tina PettigrewB Mid Student ACU Melb.
[ozmidwifery] Explaining the pelvis
Hi all. Wondering if anybody can help me. I went to an active birth course with Andrea Robertson and really liked the activity she does which explores the pelvis in simple language and basically demonstrates how the pelvis is designed to give birth. I will be ordering a video shortly from Birth International that explains this but if anybody has a written copy of the activity that I can get on line, I would most appreciate it. I am sure I had a copy of one from the course but have misplaced it somewhere. Thanks Tracy
Fw: [ozmidwifery] Rasberry leaf tea!
Hi Rowena, You may be interested in a retrospective study I read that was published in the ACMI. Parsons, M.,Simpson, M., Ponton, T. Raspberry leaf and its effect on labour: Safety and Efficacy. Australian College of Midwives Inc Journal, 1999:12(3):20-25. I actually spoke to Michelle Simpson by phone (02)95542356 (hopefully the number is current as it wasa few years ago we communicated). She was really happy to chat to me about the study. They suggestested consuming the raspberry leaf in its most natural form (tincture if possible) but you can use tea or tablets. Commence this around 32 weeks and consume the tincture (1.5mls bd) in pregnancy, then every hour whilst in labour (ask for the tincture to be made without alcohol). The study basically found that the length of labour for the first stage was significantly shorter with the raspberry leaf group than the control group, with no difference for the second or third stage. The raspberrry leaf group also had a slightly larger percentage of normal deliveries, without medical intervention. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Rowena Woolnough To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rasberry leaf tea! Dear all, I am a Midwifery Student working in the New England Area Health Service and am 6 months through my rural training. I have a friend who is 24/40 pregnant and who is also a midiwfe, who asked me the other day if I knew much about raspberry leaf tea. She wanted to know if it was this that she takes to increase unterine tone and contractility in preparation for childbirth. My knowledge is limited at this stage about the use of it and whether it is the right tea to be using for the above mentioned effect. I would appreciate any help to answer her question and/or increase my knowledge base. Thank you for your time! Rowena
Fw: Cosleeping
It was my understanding that bedsharing was only believed to be a risk factor in SIDS if the parents sharing the bed are smokers. That is what I uncovered when researching SIDS for an epidemiology assignment (18 months ago). Has this changed to all forms of co-sleeping? Tracy - Original Message - From: Janelle Lyndon Webb To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Cosleeping All the sharing on the list about the wonderful benefits of cosleeping has stirred my conscience. I have not had children, but can see that this is a very natural thing to do. However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. One of the paeds is on the SIDS committee and apparently there where two cases in our area last year, two cases too many. We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. A midwives, many of us feel uncomfortable with telling mothers that they must not sleep with their babies, and in my practice I was beginning to encourage more and more mothers to "kanga cuddle" their babies and have a snooze together in the days following the birth. Especially if they were having feeding issues. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on SIDS?
Fw: misconceptions
I have seen Naomi Wolf interviewed on numerous tv shows and I believe what she said made a lot of sense. I've read this book and really enjoyed it. I feel anybody pregnant or planning to have a baby should read it. I do remember disgreeing with something Naomi wrote about but it was so long ago now I read that book that I can't remember what it was. I have suggested that several of my friends read it and they subsequently went into labour determined to have the kind of birth they had in mind, despite one of the midwives providing them with paternalistic information. Both couples had exactly the birth they wanted. The power of information. Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: misconceptions Has anyone else read this book Misconceptions by Naomi Wolf? Very interesting stuff, particularly for me working in the health care system here Kirsten the aussie in Minnesota USA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: Melbourne's Child article
Hi Joy, I share your sentiments on breastfeeding entirely. Regards, Tracy Starling - Original Message - From: Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article Dear Liz While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about your statement : The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing countries whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated water, incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe it's wrong. I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up. I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying principles wholeheartedly. I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process. This has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in Australia too because they are not breastfed. The reasons for failure of breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the drop-off rates are alarming) are many. There is reliable evidence that practices which have for many years been common in maternity services across the developed world, such as separation of mother and baby, timing of feeds, use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and teats, advertising of alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to early weaning. These are the issues that are dealt with in the global Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative. Sally's comments about babies who are brought into this world doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also relevant here. These babies and their mothers require special skilled support, and it can all be done within the baby friendly process. There's nothing daunting, or excessively focused on technique in the baby friendly initiative that I know about. (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it right all the time, but that's life!) Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the time, want what's best for their babies. Midwives who seek to provide woman centred care will do all that they can to support the mother-baby bond, working with the natural process, and only interfering when we have a good reason. That's being mother-friendly too. Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding doesn't come easily. There are many deterrents in our society. Our work should be underpinned by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who knows of evidence contrary to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now. With my best wishes Joy Johnston -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: Melbourne's Child article
Great story Vicki. Once again demonstrates the power of the words we use. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'ozmidwifery' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article Recently I was sitting at the desk at the private maternity unit where I am working a little (my shift was over and I was catching up with the dreaded paperwork...I cant keep up! 12 years since I worked in a hospital...'waddayamean I have to think about more than one woman at a time???) when along comes one of the fathers... A midwife asks him 'how's things?' They had been experiencing very challenging breastfeeding problems... Oh, great! says the Dad...No worries Surprised, the midwife questioned further and the father replied they'd been fine since She! pointing at me had looked after them. something she said changed everything!' Everyone looked up, eager to know what this gem of wisdom I had shared was. Uh Oh thinks me. I had relayed a story of a woman I had spoked to a week or so before hand... I was about to go home when a bell rang from one of the rooms... I did not know the woman but noone else was available so I went in. The woman was in tears...'Can you help me? I cant get him on the breast properly..Is that where his top lip should be? I cant see his tongue. I don't know if his mouth is wide enough..should I sit up or lie down...?? I said to her gently Where are you from and she answered 'PNG'...I asked her is she remembered seeing the women in PNG feed their babies and she said 'Yes' I asked her if she could visualize and she said Yes...With her eyes closed she saw a large group of women sitting around all with babes at the breast. I asked her 'Are they looking at the babies?' No 'Are they concerned where the lip ofr the tongue or anything else for that matter is?' No...they're just talking and laughing I said...'Listen..just forget all that white man shit and let the baby do its thing' She replyed with 'Ooooh...the baby's on! He's feeding' I tell you things at the desk stopped still for a moment as this father tells all... Oh, she told us just to forget all that white man shit and get on and do what we please...we've been fine ever since' Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Macha McDonald Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:28 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique and latch, although it is important, is very confusing. When I had my daughter, in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different idea about what I was meant to be doing. Confusion is not the word. My mind was in chaos!!! This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to me. So much for the 10 steps!!! Also, their LCs were very limited in their advice. For low supply, I was told on more than 10 different occasions over 3 months to just keep expressing. I agree with the baby friendly initiative, but seeing it 1st hand, I dont think its working. Some staff are just not committed enough. Friends and family who are also recent consumers have sited that the MCHN and midwifes in hospital (rural VIC) told them their milk did not have enough nutrients in it, and that it wasnt strong enough. I think the whole situation is worse than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is breastfeeding at all, considering the current climatein my humble opinion!!! Regards, Macha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article Dear Liz While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about your statement : The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing countries whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated water, incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe it's wrong. I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up. I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying principles wholeheartedly. I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process. This has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in Australia too because they are not breastfed. The reasons for failure of breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the drop-off rates are alarming) are many. There is reliable evidence that practices which have for many years been common in maternity
Fw: Waterbirth and labour in water.
Hi Christine, I have a great book on water births titled "Water Birth Unplugged" by Beverley A.Lawrence Beech. It contains the proceedings of the first International Water Birth Conference held in London, April 1995, and answers many questions surrounding water births. Published by Books for Midwives. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Christine Tony Holliday To: normal birth research list ; Midwifery Research ; Birthnews@Capersbookstore. Com. Au ; Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Waterbirth and labour in water. Dear All, I am looking for any information you have on using water in labour and/or waterbirth. Any policies or statistics, published or unpublished would be useful to me. In fact any information you think may be useful. Christine
Fw: Homebirth and DOCS
Hi Sue, What most annoys me about your story is that there is never an investigation into a baby who has RDS despite being a hospital birth. In that caseit is believed that the baby was very lucky to have been delivered in a safe environment. A midwife friend of mine told me a story recently of a scenario where a grandmulti went into labour with a breech on board (Perth Hospital). She had 5 previous SVD's with no problems, no bleeds and reasonable size babies. The Dr on duty said it would be putting this baby at risk to be born vaginally (re:breech trial outcome) so insisted on a caeser, much to the mothers disappointment as she was apparently labouring well. Anyway, needless to say that the ceaser was performed and the baby developed RDS and was sent to PMH hospital (separated from mum) for some time. Meanwhile, the mother has to cope with recovering from an abdominal op and look after her 5 other children, whilst visiting the nursery. Can't help wondering if RDS would have developed if that babe could have had it's chest squeezed from a vaginal birth?? Iatrogenic effect maybe...we will never know but going by gut feeling..So why are the medical field always in the right but those who have this unexpected event happen at home are deemed negligent? Very frustrating. Regards, Tracy - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: Homebirth and DOCS Hi all, Just wish to put to you that a recent 'mandatory reporting' by a hospital-based midwife to DOCS was a personal statement about that midwife's perception and attitude to homebirth. A couple had transferred to hospital with a baby 4 kgs for RDS or similar after a wonderful birth at home. No obvious reason for the RDS. Parents insisted on a lotus birth and the receiving doctors and paeds accepted that. Baby in oxygen box for 2 days, then to breast and to postnatal ward. Parents left hospital at day 5 after argument with paed about antibiotic dose (no pathology acknowledged) and midwife on duty decided to put in a mandatory reporting of above based on the fact that the parents did not dress their baby when they left. (and that they were leaving the hospital against medical advice and that they'd had a lotus birth, and an 'unassisted homebirth' which put their baby at risk.) Parents then had a visit by DOCS and also a letter suggesting their decision to have a homebirth seriously compromised their baby at birth. Have we all gone mad or has our right to make decisions been seriously impaired in the last few years?? Any comments?? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
breastfeeding survey tool
Hi all, Am in search of a tool you may know of to assist me in a survey I would like to conduct on long term breastfeeding rates. Basically I would like to document our ward breastfeeding initiation rate and then follow up our ladies at 6 weeks, 3, 6, 9, 12 months to see what the rates are like then. At 6 weeks I would like to send the ladies a survey to fill in re: their breastfeeding experience ie. did they require assistance on the ward with feeding, was the information they were given useful, conflicting etc.. I know I have seen one of these surveys in a piece of literature I once read but can't seem to find it. Any ideas? I would really appreciate any references you could give me, especially if they are easily obtainable. I am also seeking Jen Byrnes E-mail address and phone number. Kind regard Tracy
educated women
I believe it is absolutely vital that birthing education is given in schools as it is during these years that most of your values and beliefs are instilled. Recently I was talking to one of our GP/Obs who is Dutch. She was discussing the system in Holland (which I so envy) where only midwives or Obstetricians partake in pregnancy and birth. She herself had three beautiful homebirths and it was so lovely to see her face light up and the absolute joy she experienced with her own births.She discussed the normality of this whole process over there and how frustrating she finds our present system within the hospitals-as does many of us. The Dutch are raised believing birth to besuch a normal event in life and don't get bogged down in the "pain issue" as appears to be a major crux in our society does. I truly believe for things to really change in Australia is must begin with the education of our children, the birthing parents of the future. Lets get to it! Tracy
Launch of www.birthjourney
Lois, I think the site is fantastic. The slide show made me a little weepy, in a happy kind of way. Certainly inspires me to get pregnant and have a baby under your care..that is, if I weren't 500 km away!Tracy
prem care
Dear Jan, I do not work in a scn but have done in the past. The amount the staff are feeding the baby calculates at being about right. I just wonder how many sucks (whether breast or bottle) the baby is being offered. The baby is equivalent to 34 weeks now and should be managing several sucks a day as the suck reflex is usually developed by now. If the baby had been transferred back to us in Regional W.A., we would possibly allowhim to go onto 3 and a half to 4 hourly feeds so he is able to become a little more hungry and possible demand a feed. This waythe babywill be more likely to suck. A regime such as one tube and two sucks (breast or bottle) or two tubes and one suck would be reasonable for this baby at this stage. If they are worried about weight loss after sucking, they can always top the baby up post feed through the tube. However, sounds like they have been doing this and if the baby is vomiting, it obviously mustgaining something from the breast and they are overfeeding him. I found that special care nurseries are pretty fanatical about keeping babies well fed. The staff do a great job but sometimes I think they do overfeed them and it really can hinder further suck feeds. When we go onto this regime where I work, the babies often initially loose a small amount of weight or remain static for a day, then pick up well. It is also so much more satisfying for the parents. Good luck, hope this helps. Regards, Tracy
[no subject]
Silly question here but what day exactly is international midwives day this year. We have several different dates noted on our ward and are a little confused. Tracy
Breastfeeding practices in the workplace
Hi all. I remember reading an article that wrote about women's breastfeeding rights in the workplace in regard to feeding/expressing breaks etc. If anybody can point me in the right direction to retreive this article, or any other article that is of relevance, I would be most appreciative. Is there now a Govenment directive to encourage this practice in Australia? By the way, loved the new BFadvertisement and am so glad it got the appropriate rating. Tracy
Any work for an Aussie midwife in New Zealand?
Hi there. I am hoping there are some midwives who work in New Zealand on this list at present. My husband and I are considering moving to New Zealand for 5-6 months so I can join in on the"New Zealand experience" in maternity care. I have attended future birth seminars in Perth, West Australia and after listening to presentations by the NZ midwives, believe it would be a fantastic country to work as a midwife. I am a Clinical Midwife (Level 2) in Regional W.A. and presently work in a hospital that delivers 500 babies a year. We have an Obstetrician up here so have a good mix of normal pregnancies and those so called "high risk". It is a busy unit which enables me to provide antenatal, intrapartum and postnatal care. I also hold antenatal classes. Unfortunately however, we do not have an antenatal clinic and our involvement with the women is somewhat under the control of our powerful private medical fraternity. I have been a midwife now for 8 years and am extremely passionate about my work. Unfortnately, latelyI find I am getting worn down with the unnecessary intervention that occurs on our ward and the belief that women are unable to birth off a bed or without drugs on board. I feel I need to work somewhere where it enables me to provide holistic care in the antenatal period right through to the peurperium. I have experienced how well this works when I have been able to care for several close friends who had total trust in me, as I had complete faith in them and there ability to birth. That would have to be one of the best experiences of my career and it is refreshing to see women so in control and subsequently so empowered by their birthing experience. My goal is to work in New Zealand and learn the "New Zealand way", if you like. I would then like to return to Australia and tryto set something similar up back here. You never know, I may love NZ so much that I may never want to return. My husband and I have been to your great country numerous times and also have a keen interest in Skiing. So, if there are any midwives out there who see an opportunity for me to work in a midwife lead system (preferrably reasonably close to a ski field to keep my husband happy), then I would be thrilled to hear from you. We are looking at July this year to make the move. I am able to work for a month or sowithout pay whilst learning if that helps matters. I look forward to hearing back from anybody who has information that may be of assistance tome. Thankyou. Tracy Starling
