Fw: 'educated' women

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- Original Message - 
From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; Lynne Staff 

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: 'educated' women

Dear Lynn
I was wondering if Selangor's website was up and if 
so what is the address??As on Monday at a function for international 
nurses & midwives days at Sydney private hospital 
I asked the DCS/DON had she contemplated offering a 
midwifery option of care for at least the client's of some 
understanding/knowledgeable obs at this hospital (Phillip Coocks & Andrew 
Pesce were cited as possibiles).
 
She has and will look at it 
again!!So all you midwives in Private hospitals do not loose 
heart!!
All of you everywhere make a 
suggestion at least once a year, month, week toward a midwfery form/option of 
care!Or join Maternity Coalition ACMI and get pushing through 
them
 
Denise 
in 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lynne Staff 
  
  To: Debby M 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: 'educated' women
  
  Dear Debbie - I was saddened to read your posting 
  but also so pleased you turned your experience into a positive learning one 
  for yourself and others, as you shared with this list. Some years ago I had to 
  do an assignment for uni where we had to choose a group of disadvantaged 
  women and prepare a resource package for them, to make available for them in 
  order to "maximise" their chances of a good birth (that means so many things 
  to different people doesn't it?). Anyway, I chose privately insured women as a 
  disadvantaged group and based my arguments on the high operative 
  outcomes, that cannot be explained away by 'risk', and strengthened that 
  argument using the way in which , and what information is 
  provided to women by obstetricians (as women with Private Health insurance 
  would get the majority of their information from their ob with that ever 
  pervasive medical perspective).
   
  I would love to talk to you more about this if 
  you would be willing. Also I do agree that we (in Oz) need, as you say, some 
  leaflets like the informed choice leaflets that are available in the UK. 
  However, I was looking through them againh, the other day, and thinking that 
  there are still some of the brochures which subtly (and some not-so-subtly) 
  lead a woman 'that' way, and lead them away from listening to,  believing 
  in and acting on their own bodily knowledge and what it tells them at this time.
   
  Just my two cents worth - regards, 
  Lynne
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Debby 
M 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:32 
PM
Subject: Re: 'educated' women



I consider myself an educated woman.  Two degrees and post graduate 
studies would certainly indicate such however it is only since the birth of 
my first child that I came to realise how difficult it is for a medical lay 
person to obtain information that truely allows them to make an informed 
choice.
My first birth was the classic cascade of intervention leading to a csec 
and I was led down that path by my obstetrician.  It wasn't until some 
months after the birth and a lot of reading, that I discovered there were 
many many aspects of the decisions made by myself that were far from 
informed.  On almost every aspect related to my "care" my obstetrician 
presented me with advice and information that could only lead me to conclude 
and agree that his advice for the recommended intervention was right.  
I later found there were a whole range of risks and options that I was not 
told about and on one piece of intervention he actually out and out lied to 
me.
I can only presume that he thought he was doing the right thing, but I 
also get the feeling that often we, the woman, are only told what our carer 
wants us to hear.  Whilst we may think we are informed at the time it 
is not until we get our noses into some good medical research papers and 
text books that we discover how much wider the risks and options are.  

This in itself presents a couple of problems.  The first being time, 
and what do you teach women?  There is obviously a lot to learn or 
obstetric and midwifery training wouldn't take so long.  Some of the 
concepts I have read about I have had to bounce of my husband (a 
radiographer) to fully grasp what is being discussed and its implications, 
indicating that those with a lesser education than I may have even more 
difficulty in grasping some of the risks or benefits of different ideas 
related to labour management.
I am very pro informing the woman.  I think one of the best ways 
this could be done would be to have a series of little brochures that talk 
in simplified terms th

Fw: Calling Sally Tracey

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- Original Message - 
From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:24 AM
Subject: Calling Sally Tracey

Sorry lost Sally Tracey's email
Please help

Fw: Spreading the word

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Dear All
Last week I gave a talk to Westmead maternity unit 
staff about working on the Commmunity Midwifery WA and how MC & others are 
working to replicate this program all over Aust as part of their objective for 
all women to have access to 1 on 1 midwifery care.
I am seeking to do this again with as many 
interested groups as I can, to help MC acheive its aim of access to 1on 1 
midwfiery for all.
So if you know of a group within the Sydney to 
Canberra radius (Up north equal distance)  which may be interested either, 
let me know who to contact or give them my contact details.
I have this presentation on powerpoint with photos 
yet to be added
Denise 

Loss of Midwifery options

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Dear NSW Midwives & consumers,
I was sadened to recently learn of the closure of 

Liverpool Hospital Team Midwifery Project and 

the Nepean Birth Centre 
Can anyone share with us any knowledge of 

1) Why these closures happened ?2) What is 
being done to address this loss of scarse midwifery options of 
care?
 
Denise Hynd

Endorse then support the National Matenity Action Plan!

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National Maternity 
Action PlanPrepared byMaternity CoalitionAIMS AustraliaAustralian Society of 
Independent MidwivesCommunity Midwifery WACommunity Midwifery 
Program, Western Australia

May 2002 


  

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  Action Plan is invited (May 2002)
  It has become increasingly evident to many 
  women across Australia that major changes need to be made to the way in 
  which maternity care is provided in both urban and regional/rural 
  Australia.With a substantial and increasing body of research and 
  evidence based knowledge, it can be definitively stated that community 
  midwifery care - where women receive one-to-one care from early in 
  pregnancy until their baby is 4-6 weeks of age from an expert midwife they 
  know well - is the most beneficial support for women. The benefits of 
  this model of care have been proven both in terms of outcomes for mothers 
  and babies and in terms of women's satisfaction with their birth 
  experience. Whether or not women require specialist obstetric care to 
  achieve a good outcome for themselves or their baby, one-to-one care from 
  a known midwife is valuable in maintaining continuity of care for each 
  individual. This is the accepted view in countries such as New 
  Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the Netherlands where midwifery models of 
  care are commonplace and easily accessed through the public health 
  system.In Australia, the medical model of care dominates maternity 
  services. Australia also has among the highest rates of intervention - 
  both in caesarean sections and other medical interventions - of all 
  western industrialised nations. This situation is not beneficial to the 
  future health and well being of mothers and their children. Nor is it cost 
  effective for government health services. Through the dedication and 
  motivation of a range of people who have been actively involved in working 
  towards change, a coalition of consumer and midwifery organisations has 
  developed a comprehensive National Maternity Action Plan for the 
  Implementation of Community Midwifery Services in Urban and Regional 
  Australia.The National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP) calls on both 
  Federal and State/Territory governments to bring about substantial changes 
  to the way in which maternity services are both funded and provided in the 
  interests of women and babies. It calls on governments to work as a matter 
  of priority towards ensuring women have universal access to primary 
  midwifery care regardless of their socio-economic status, their ethnicity 
  or their place of residence. It makes recommendations at a number of 
  levels - from policy through to implementation - that are realistic and 
  achievable. Below is a copy of the NMAP for you to read and consider. 
  We invite you or your organisation, to endorse the National Maternity 
  Action Plan and the strategic direction it proposes as a worthwhile and 
  timely document to be taken up by governments.Such endorsement is 
  being sought from a range of professional and community organisations and 
  individuals across Australia with expertise/interest in maternity services 
  and/or in the rights of women to world-best practice, evidence-based 
  maternity care. 
  In adding your personal or organisational 
  endorsement to the NMAP, you will assist in ensuring that politicians and 
  policy makers take notice not just of the Plan, but of the many people who 
  subscribe to its intentions.
  
  It is intended that the NMAP will be publicly launched in the final 
  part of June 2002. We therefore encourage you to notify us of your 
  endorsement by 7th June, 2002. Please forward your endorsement to one of 
  the following: 
  
  
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NMAP 
PO Box 1336 Fremantle WA 6959 
Fax to 08 9339 0021 
  Thank you, and please feel free to forward 
  this to any individual or organisation you feel may be interested in 
  endorsing the NMAP.The National Maternity Action Plan is available in Adobe 
  Acrobat PDF file. You need Acrobat Reader to be able to open the NMAP. It 
  is available free to download from the Adobe website. Click the 
  

NMAP poster

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
I have made a poster to encourage support of the 
National Maternity Action Plan.
Please copy and poster where you think it would 
help
Denise 


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Re: NMAP poster

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
I understand the poster as I sent it is not 
openable(?) So give me time to master the new scanner and I will try 
again
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Child 
  Birth Information Service 
  To: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
  Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: NMAP poster
  
  Hi,
  I am new at the computer so please bare with me, 
  but can you tell me what program I should use to open this 
poster.
  Thanks Terry Stockdale
  IDM
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ken Bone ; Diane Brennan 
; Virginia 
Miltrup ; Nicky Leap ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: Marie Heath 
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:41 
PM
Subject: NMAP poster

Dear All
I have made a poster to encourage support of 
the National Maternity Action Plan.
Please copy and poster where you think it would 
help
Denise 

Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Alphia
I heard funding but not so much the midwives were not being paid rather that
the contract/arrangement of the midwives was in flexible and this was costly
in that if the midwives came into the hospital for a woman in ealry labour
they had to stay/be paid 8 hours or some minimum even if the woman went home
and then when the woman coame in again this made the cost too much??

But I would be interested to know if the overall costs of less intervention
happier mire capable mothers was factored into the decision?

Also are the women now being serviced by a less interventionist model??

Was there any protest by the community and midwives to this closure and that
of Nepean's Birth Centre??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project


> What I do know about the closure of this great project is little- however,
> what I am aware of is that the project went very well- so well in fact
that
> the midwives involved within it were overrun - there was great patient
> satisfaction and consequent demand.  Unfortunately, I believe it came down
> to funding.  The midwives were not being paid for overtime- which of
course
> a lot of them were doing.  I am sure that there are other aspects which
> have influenced this closure- but I do know that funding was a major
> influence.
>
> Take Care
> Alphia
> Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Sociology and Justice Studies
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
>
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
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Seize the day

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Dear Ozmid 
Previously there have been discussions about we can 
turn the tide of intervention to one of midwifery as was done in 
NZ !Well I believe we have a strong chance if we all
 
1) Endorse and promote the National Maternity 
Action Plan
  
2) Actively belong and support Maternity 
Coalition!!Because it is the politicians we have to get to create 
midwifery options of care in every state across Aus and they will not do it 
unless there are votes in it and for them to see votes in it they have to 
lobbied and harassed by large groups of consumers. Midwives are seen as a vested interest and polies like the general 
public believe they need the doctors to save every one from almost everything, 
but especially childbirth!!)
 
They also need to have the case and means for 
change spelt out for them, which NMAP does!
 
Do this and get your family and friends to also 
join and support this action!!Please Carpe Diem!Denise 

Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

As I said the women & midwives TOGETHER of Aust 
need to become political (Eg through the current leadership of Maternity 
Coalition) as happened in NZ>Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Alphia 
  Garrety 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team 
  Midwifery Project
  This is what amazes me about the system in Australia- There 
  have been numerous reports conducted and submitted - beginning with the 
  Shearman report in 1989- which all ask for a marginalized role for the 
  obstetrician- with a call for more shared care and more projects like the Team 
  Midwifery Project.  In 1999 there was a Senate Inquiry (which I am sure 
  you all remember) into birthing procedures, where a lot of submissions were 
  calling for the same thing.  It seems that all of the recommendations put 
  forth are largely ignored or implemented to varying degrees without enough 
  resources put behind them.  I wonder what it will take for proper 
  resources to be put behind Projects such as the one we have been 
  discussing.At 03:52 PM 20/05/02 -0400, you wrote:
  Why can't they come 
up with a salary payment method for midwives who work in groups/teams?  
marilyn Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. CandidateSchool of 
  Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown Campus, University of Western 
  SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 
  AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 
97726584

Re: team salary

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Judy
Are you telling us the Mackay Birth Centre has stopped functioning also??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: team salary


> They did work out a salary for the Team Midwives in Mackay but that did
not
> stop them from closing us down. We were all paid as  level two so they
said
> that it made us too expensive as there were too many level two's around.
We
> worked some call (nights) and flexi time so there was never any overtime
or
> call fees.
> Had some aggro from the core midwives as they were not level two but then
> most of them did not take on any of the extra responsability that we did
and
> a large proportion of the core staff were ones who only wanted to come to
> work, not get stretched too far so stay in the AN PN ward and collect the
> pay. Forget all about it when you go home. All were given an opportunity
to
> be on a team from the beginning.
> Cheers
> Judy
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:26 EDT
>
> Why can't they come up with a salary payment method for midwives who work
in
> groups/teams?  marilyn
>
>
> Judy Chapman
> Midwife
> 07 47490764
>
> Judy Chapman
> Midwife
> 07 47490764
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Re: Babywise

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Dear Pinky
Ineresting did you share it with the hospital and 
doctor couple?Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky 
  McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:03 
PM
  Subject: Babywise
  
  As I gave an antenatal talk at a major Melb 
  maternity hospital a couple of months ago a pregnant couple vehemently 
  defended their parenting "bible" - Babywise. For the sake of the other couples 
  present I firmly stated my views - that this book advocated dangerous 
  practices (by the way it is not the only book that advocates strict 
  regimentation of babies) . The pregnant woman partner turned out to be a 
  doctor at the hospital where I was speaking. OOps!!
   
  I am still invited to do these talks in spite of 
  this awkward incident, and happy to advocate for babies.
   
  This was just forwarded to me by a midwife who 
  takes the antenatal classes at this hospital -Thought you might all find the 
  following interesting:
  Pinky
   
   
   
   
  Babywise 
  Publisher Plans Contract CancellationMultnomah editor now considers Ezzo 
  book "dangerous."By Corrie Cutrer | posted 3/23/01Multnomah 
  Publishers, a small Christian publishing company in Sisters,Oregon, has 
  begun severing ties with one of its most profitable andcontroversial 
  authors, Gary Ezzo, according to a reliable company source.A household 
  name among many Christian parents with newborns, Ezzo has beenunable to 
  shed doubts about the child-rearing methods in his popular book OnBecoming 
  Babywise. In addition, church leaders with past ties to Ezzodescribe him 
  as "disqualified" for Christian ministry and his parentingmaterials as 
  "fraught with danger" (CT, Nov. 13, 2000, p. 70).A central element of 
  the Ezzo plan is feeding newborns on a structuredschedule controlled by 
  parents, rather than "on-demand," whenever an infantindicates hunger. 
  Ezzo's program teaches that in order to developrespectful, obedient, and 
  godly children, parents must exercise restrictivecontrol. Ezzo and his 
  Growing Families International (GFI) organizationreport that more than 
  500,000 infants have been trained to sleep soundlythrough the night 
  through the method.Yet many breast-feeding mothers have reported a 
  failure to produce anadequate milk supply when following the program. Some 
  pediatricians seeinadequate weight gain, dehydration, and failure to 
  thrive among newborns onthe program. Ezzo has also instructed parents of 
  the importance of leavinginfants alone in their cribs so the infants will 
  experience periods ofsolitude. Many parents have admitted, however, that 
  they left their childrencrying alone for too long while trying to follow 
  Ezzo's recommendations forscheduled feeding and nap times. Critics also 
  question other Ezzo emphases,such as introducing a form of spanking in 
  children younger than 2.Multnomah's decision to break ties with the 
  author came after years ofpersistent controversy regarding Ezzo's 
  professional and personal integrity.Several churches that Ezzo and his 
  wife, Anne Marie, have attended havepublicly rebuked the author for his 
  lack of truthfulness and failure todistinguish between his preferences and 
  biblical teaching.Despite having no medical training or health-care 
  certification, Ezzo firstpublished his methods in Preparation for 
  Parenting, a book that containedmany biblical references. Later, he 
  removed the religious references andrenamed the book On Becoming Babywise. 
  Robert Bucknam, a Colorado physician,is listed as coauthor of Babywise, 
  although no substantial changes were madeto the original text or to the 
  methods taught after Bucknam signed on.Multnomah began investigating 
  the allegations by contacting physicians andother professionals qualified 
  to discuss early childhood development. Theinquiry itself was a reversal 
  for the publisher. About a year ago, Multnomahissued a lengthy statement 
  defending Ezzo and his parenting philosophies.But ongoing public pressure 
  from journalist Frank York, one of Ezzo's formeremployees, as well as 
  Matthew Aney, a pediatrician affiliated with theAmerican Academy of 
  Pediatrics (AAP), prompted the company to take a deeperlook. Aney wrote a 
  detailed article, published by the AAP two years ago,listing the potential 
  dangers of Ezzo's methods.Multnomah's Jeff Gerke, who has edited 
  several of Ezzo's books, spearheadedhis company's investigation. In early 
  March, when Aney became convinced thatMultnomah was not prepared to fully 
  disclose its findings, he contactedChristianity Today. Aney provided CT 
  with several e-mails between Gerke andhimself.Gerke told Aney that 
  he initially investigated the allegations believingthat Ezzo had been 
  unfairly attacked, but later changed his mind. "I'mpersonally convinced 
  Gary Ezzo and his infant care materials are dangerous,"Gerke wrote. "He 
  has no medical training and therefore no busine

Re: team salary

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Judy
Please share the news of the National Maternity action Plan a funded
homebirth option in Mackay would stir up Queensland or is it possible the
women and midwives of Nambour could lead the bannana benders ?

Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: team salary


> No, the Birth Centre is still functioning but that is due only to the
> fantastic support of the women who use the centre. The Friends of the
Birth
> Centre group have fended off more than one try at closing the service.
> Mackay Women's Health Unit did try to enlist the support of the women and
> there was a group formed but I am not sure just where they are at at the
> moment. The midwives have now fourmed a committee and are trying to
explore
> just where to go from here.
> I am afraid study pressures have stopped me being totally on top of the
> situation.
> Cheers
> Judy
>
>
> From: "S.J.F.ELECTRICAL." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: team salary
> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:49:51 +1000
>
> Dear Judy
> Are you telling us the Mackay Birth Centre has stopped functioning also??
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: team salary
>
>
>  > They did work out a salary for the Team Midwives in Mackay but that did
> not
>  > stop them from closing us down. We were all paid as  level two so they
> said
>  > that it made us too expensive as there were too many level two's
around.
> We
>  > worked some call (nights) and flexi time so there was never any
overtime
> or
>  > call fees.
>  > Had some aggro from the core midwives as they were not level two but
then
>  > most of them did not take on any of the extra responsability that we
did
> and
>  > a large proportion of the core staff were ones who only wanted to come
to
>  > work, not get stretched too far so stay in the AN PN ward and collect
the
>  > pay. Forget all about it when you go home. All were given an
opportunity
> to
>  > be on a team from the beginning.
>  > Cheers
>  > Judy
>  >
>  >
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Subject: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project
>  > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:26 EDT
>  >
>  > Why can't they come up with a salary payment method for midwives who
work
> in
>  > groups/teams?  marilyn
>  >
>  >
>  > Judy Chapman
>  > Midwife
>  > 07 47490764
>  >
>  > Judy Chapman
>  > Midwife
>  > 07 47490764
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Re: How much of a good thing do we need?

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Dear Mary 
I think how history shows similar trends as regards 
obst, aneasthetists and others?!Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:19 PM
  Subject: How much of a good thing do we 
  need?
  
  
  From the recent New England Journal of Medicine: "Despite marked regional 
  variation in the availability of neonatal intensive care, it is not 
  known whether the supply of neonatologists or neonatal intensive 
  care beds is associated with neonatal mortality. This retrospective 
  cohort study involved almost 3.9 million U.S. infants with a birth 
  weight of 500 g or greater who were born in 1995. As compared with 
  infants born in regions with a very low supply of neonatologists 
  (2.7 per 10,000 births), those from regions with a low supply of 
  neonatologists (4.3 per 10,000 births) were less likely to die in 
  the first 27 days of life. However, further increases in the supply 
  of neonatologists were not associated with greater reductions in 
  risk.  An Interesting article.  
MM

Denise'sNMAP poster

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
Attachments do not go to the list in fact they make 
the mail bounce so if you want my little  poster for support of NMAP, email 
me and I will return individually in an attachment.
Denise PS I have the latest Norton virus 
protection 

Re: team salary

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear judy
Thank you for sharing this with us!

Women need midwives and midwives need women!

So again I hope you all are networking with your local maternity support
group or helping to form one if there is not one as well as joining
Maternity Coalition Nationally

Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: team salary


> No, the Birth Centre is still functioning but that is due only to the
> fantastic support of the women who use the centre. The Friends of the
Birth
> Centre group have fended off more than one try at closing the service.
> Mackay Women's Health Unit did try to enlist the support of the women and
> there was a group formed but I am not sure just where they are at at the
> moment. The midwives have now fourmed a committee and are trying to
explore
> just where to go from here.
> I am afraid study pressures have stopped me being totally on top of the
> situation.
> Cheers
> Judy
>
>
> From: "S.J.F.ELECTRICAL." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: team salary
> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:49:51 +1000
>
> Dear Judy
> Are you telling us the Mackay Birth Centre has stopped functioning also??
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: team salary
>
>
>  > They did work out a salary for the Team Midwives in Mackay but that did
> not
>  > stop them from closing us down. We were all paid as  level two so they
> said
>  > that it made us too expensive as there were too many level two's
around.
> We
>  > worked some call (nights) and flexi time so there was never any
overtime
> or
>  > call fees.
>  > Had some aggro from the core midwives as they were not level two but
then
>  > most of them did not take on any of the extra responsability that we
did
> and
>  > a large proportion of the core staff were ones who only wanted to come
to
>  > work, not get stretched too far so stay in the AN PN ward and collect
the
>  > pay. Forget all about it when you go home. All were given an
opportunity
> to
>  > be on a team from the beginning.
>  > Cheers
>  > Judy
>  >
>  >
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Subject: Re: Closure of Liverpool Team Midwifery Project
>  > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:26 EDT
>  >
>  > Why can't they come up with a salary payment method for midwives who
work
> in
>  > groups/teams?  marilyn
>  >
>  >
>  > Judy Chapman
>  > Midwife
>  > 07 47490764
>  >
>  > Judy Chapman
>  > Midwife
>  > 07 47490764
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Re: FHM

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Dear All
It sounds to me there is a thin line between fear 
and trust here?Trust in the total picture the woman baby and process?I 
know it is easier for me to say this because I have been with women I have known 
through their pregnancy!But also the question arises for me as the 
discussion  sounds like talking about what is required by research 
protocols, our fear of loosing a baby etc (can we really save all babies and 
whilst we are trying to do that what else are we doing?? 
Rather than what is needed  for this baby and 
woman to feel safe and be able to let go and birth!Adrenaline is contagious 
it does affect the birth , the woman and the babies!For me it is this that 
is most often what I as a midwife feel neds to be cleared out of the way of the 
births I have attended both at home and in Hospital!Denise 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:03 
PM
  Subject: Re: FHM
  Deb I think Ann was 
  asking about non electronic monitoring ie doppler/ fetascope/pinard during 
  labor. Do you have any research on that? One of my classmates at Seattle 
  Midwifery School did her Senior paper on this topic, however I don't have her 
  paper with me and it is unpublished. I generally have listened to FHt's every 
  30 minutes (before, during and after a ctx) in active labor, and then every 5 
  minutes during second stage/ after every contraction.  Obviously we are 
  listening for decels and it is contentious as to if we can differentiate late, 
  early, or variable decels with a doppler (probably not with a 
  pinard/fetascope). I think there is great  practitioner variability with 
  the use of intermitent auscultation. I am interested to here what others do at 
  home and at birth centers/ hospital. marilyn 

safety

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- Original Message -
From: "Tracy Reibel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Denise Hynd (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Laraine Hood (E-mail)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lynda Tully (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Mary Murphy (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: FW: safety


> Hi all - thought the site that Carol T has advised of would be of interest
> to you. Its fairly comprehensive and a good one to refer women too when
> they are seeking information to pass onto others about safety etc.
> cheers
> T
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol Thorogood [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, 13 May 2002 1:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: safety
>
> Dear Tracy
> This web site has some very good articles on the 'safety' of home birth.
> Carol
>
>
> http://www.goodnewsnet.org/safety_issues01/safetyIndex01.htm
>
>
>
>


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MC Media release

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Thursday 30 May 2002
 
 
Solution 
to Maternity Indemnity Crisis
 
The Maternity Coalition calls on the federal government to implement a 
real solution to indemnity for all maternity health professionals and 
particularly to acknowledge the evidence on the most effective care for the 
majority of healthy, pregnant, Australian women, the care of a known 
midwife.
 
Risk 
is the key issue.  If the Government 
is serious about resolving this crisis and reducing their indemnity risk then 
they must implement more midwife care.  
“In Australia, fewer than 1% 
of women can currently access one-to-one continuity of care from a midwife in 
the public health system and only in specific locations in WA, SA and the 
ACT.” 
Said Justine Caines
 
 
There have been very few cases of litigation against midwives.  It is known that when women are 
supported by midwives and take responsibility for their own care that they are 
far less likely to sue if an adverse outcome arises. Midwife-led care has been 
proven to result in fewer obstetric interventions to achieve safe childbirth; 
the fewer interventions the lower the risk.
 
 
“The majority of midwives that provide this care will not have insurance 
cover after tomorrow.  Health 
Minister, Kay Patterson has not taken the plight of midwives seriously.  Her actions show contempt for 
international best practice and the rights of women to access this care.” Said 
Justine Caines.
 
The Maternity Coalition demands that independent midwives be treated as 
all other health professionals and have access to the government rescue package 
and that their legal and professional status as autonomous maternity providers 
be recognised.
 
 
“Over the last 15 years most states and territories have had enquiries 
into maternity services, they have all found a need to increase midwife care and 
yet little if any recommendations have been acted upon”  said Maternity Coalition spokesperson, 
Justine Caines.
 
“It is ludicrous that when the country faces an indemnity crisis that 
includes maternity that there has not been an acknowledgement of midwife care 
that has been proven the most cost effective and  appropriate by the World Health 
Organisation for the vast majority of women (80%).”  Said Justine 
Caines
 
The Maternity Coalition is a national, not for profit organization, of 
consumers and midwives seeking to improve maternity services in Australia and to 
enable women to choose the care of a known midwife.
 
 
Media Contact: Justine Caines   (02) 6238 1041,  0408 
210273
 
 

Re: Prenatal classes for young women

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Karen and others,
I personally agree with the approach of the UK's 
Albany Midwives and others (there is video of the former doing this!) that 
"classes" with a set agenda, teacher and pupil type format are not as empowering 
as groups where the women lead the discussion and a midwife acts as a 
faclitator. Though this depends on  your group being or learning self 
direction and the facilitation skills of the midwfe.
This style  also lends itself to the real need 
of pregnant women to learn to recognise their needs and develop problem solving, 
networking and communication, resource finding skills as a foundation for 
effective parenting!
 
Denise Hynd


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  David 
  Bennett 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:40 
PM
  Subject: Prenatal classes for young 
  women
  
  Hi Everyone
   
  I am a trainee childbirth educator with the 
  Childbirth Education Association in Darwin.  We have been approached by a 
  local Youth Support group to run prenatal classes for young women.  I am 
  currently putting a proposal together and would appreciate any support/ideas 
  on the format for this target group.  The youth workers are ready 
  and available to assist in the class and provide transportation for the 
  participants, refreshments, etc.  If anyone is experienced in this area, 
  it would be great to hear from you.  
   
  Thanks,
  Karen Craggs.
   
  end 
   
  bennett designph: (08) 8948 4607fax: (08) 
  8948 1912PO Box 496 Nightcliff, 081437 Rossiter Street, Rapid 
  Creek[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.bennettdesign.biz

Re: PI Insurance expires

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

I must have missed news of any marches in Sydney??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: PI Insurance expires


> In all honesty Sue, I think the loss of PI insurance for midwives is just
> one little battle out there within the insurance world.  Public liability
> insurance crisis is affecting the horse riding industry (which includes
pony
> club riders, trail ride and riding centre operators) and is a huge issue
at
> present in the community where I live - their policies expire on 30 June.
> Apparently there were marches all over the country with thousands of
people
> involved on the weekend to highlight this crisis that is crushing their
> industry.
>
> It just seems that the insurance world is collapsing and that many varied
> groups will go down with it.
>
> It IS shocking that nothing seems to have been achieved and another right
or
> choice has been taken from women.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jayne
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Sue Cookson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:51 PM
> Subject: PI Insurance expires
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Not a lot on this line recently re the PI insurance fallout. According
to
> a
> > local north coast newspaper, ACMI states that 85% of all independent
> > midwives have ceased to work as of 31st May with the failure of anyone
to
> > secure PI insurance.
> >
> > Which states have attached PI insurance to registration, and which
states
> > have in any way picked up the PI insurance for practising midwives??
> >
> > I'm amazed this debate has subsided as it seems inextricably linked to
the
> > wellbeing of the homebirth movement as a whole and to women's individual
> > rights and choice.
> >
> > Comments please!!
> >
> > Sue Cookson
> > a tired and tireless birth activist, mother and birth attendant
> >
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Re: PI Insurance expires

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Dear Sally
There is discrimination at many levels in this field
For example how are negotiations in WA going for Fee for service for CMWA
midwives?
Why are Aust midwives not able to be offered what the doctors get for the
same service??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: "Sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: PI Insurance expires


> Now I have been thinking with the government stepping in to assist the
> doctors that perhaps there is a road to travel on. The road is one of
> discrimination. That the government has quickly stepped in to assist the
> medical profession while independent midwives' practices disintegrate.
> For those with more political sense than I has this been explored?
>
> Sally Westbury
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Make NMAP a NSW election issue & winner

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Dear All particualry NSW ozmid Lister, 

Next year NSW has an election & now is the time 
to start acting to make the implementation of NMAP an elaction issue and 
winner!
If you have not done so already 
please
1) download, read the NMAP (NAtional Maternity 
Action Plan) http://www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmap.html. 
 
2) join Maternity Coalition and the efforts to 
implement it!

 (http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au) 

For equal brithing options 
Denise  Hynd

ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Ozmid Listers
The National Maternity Action Plan(NMAP) document 
explains all the reasons why and how women should & can access to a women 
centred community midwifery model of care thru pregnancy, birth & the 
postpartum.
So study it and then go and see 
1) The leaders of all the women's groups to which 
you belong or that are in your area.
Ask them for their endorsement and support of this 
plan!
2) Local state and federal 
politicians.
Ask them for their endorsement and support of this 
plan!
 
Remember you are not asking for all women to have 
homebirths just the ability to choose and access community  midwifery 
care!!
For birthing choices 
Denise Hynd
 
PS Let me know if I can email you a supportive 
poster as an attachment 
or if I can come and talk with a group about my 
expereinces on the Community Midwifery Program WA?

Misinformation in Daily Telegraph 7/6/02

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

 

Dear Ozmidid listers
Regarding my eamil as below I forgot to say to any who read the article 
your comments to the editor and journalist would also be appreciated
Denise 
 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Misinformation in Daily Telegraph 7/6/02


Dear Anna Patty,I write 
to request that you correct the misinformation and bias in your Daily 
Telegraph article "Doctors oppose midwife unit".
 
Firstly Dr Cocks and the AMA ignore 
the fact that over 2 decades of reviews and research of maternity 
service outcomes around the world refutes his statement that "1 in 5 births 
need delivery by caesarean ".  The WHO consensus is that in low 
risk healthy populations, such as the Blue Mountains, 1 in 10 births 
may require caesarean birth . Also not acknowledged nor refuted in 
these and similar AMA responses to any suggested changes of 
the Australian maternity services status quo, are several other 
related facts; 
1) Research and experience 
everywhere shows a correlation between our currently high rates 
of intervention in birth (such as "1 in 5 births or more 
having delivery by caesarean ") and medical dominance of 
maternity services. Rather the AMA and your article re-enforces this 
misconception that pregnancy and birth need medical surveillance and treatment 
to be safe!
2) There is no research which shows 
midwife led care is riskier for healthy pregnant women than medical 
care as advocated by the AMA and suggested your article . In fact the 
reverse is the case, thus the WHO and international research 
based best practice advocates and demonstrates that the midwife is the 
safest, most cost effective and beneficial carer for normal pregnancy, birth and 
post natal period.  Thus the opposition of the AMA to 
this proposal for a midwife led unit not only dismisses this evidence 
but offends the professional ability and integrity of the Blue Mountain 
midwives in implying that these or any midwives would 
not transfer in advance "at risk women" to birth at an apprpriate 
hospital!
 
Additionally the misinformation of 
your article not only dismisses the right of women and their families 
in the Blue Mountains to choose with whom and where they birth, it 
reduces access or seeking by readers to balanced and accurate 
information on which to make such decisions. 
 
Finally the experience of 
the Community Midwifery Program in Perth WA proves that Dr Cocks is wrong 
in stating that insurers and taxpayers would not be happy to financially 
support a midwifery run service. The WA Health Department and WA Riskcover not 
only continue to fund this scheme, but the latter took up the midwives 
insurance last year on the proviso that it remain outside hospital, 
for the outcomes of this program are more positive than any 
other maternity service in Australia! The Community Midwifery Program is a government funded 
homebirth program in Perth WA which has been operating since 1996 and is 
the template of the National Maternity 
Action Plan (NMAP).The NMAP document can 
be read and downloaded at:  
http://www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmap 
. Maternity Coalition (http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au) is 
 a national consumer group driving the National Maternity Action Plan 
. 

As a MC member and midwife who has worked on the Community Midwifery 
Program WA I can support my statements with facts and expound on them should you 
need further help to correct the impact of this current misleading 
article!
 
Yours sincerely 

 
Denise 
Hynd.
 
CC Maternity Coalition NSW 
& National President,
NSW Midwives Association 

Community Midwifery Program 
WA
Ozmidwifery 
List

Calling Pete Malavesi

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Pete please email me 
Denise

Andrea's email

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Dear Andrea Robertson Please send me your 
email
Denise Hynd

Re: Cosleeping

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

My understanding from a SIDS Director in WA that 
Co-sleeping is only cntra indicated if the parents are under the influence of 
drugs and highly questionable on waterbeds!
 
My experience in the past is that these ancedotal 
reports of SIDS and co sleeping are just that, anecdotes/stories?
Where as SIDS does definitely does happen for 
babies sleeping alone often in other rooms !
Perhaps some one else has the web site for James McKennas study and 
other supportive of co-sleeping?
 
The other thing about this SIDS foundation is a great career path for many 
in laboratories whilst women, mothers are being encouraged to fear for their 
babies and rely on the instructions of others rather than tune into their 
babies, breast feed them etc!
 
cynical denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janelle 
  & Lyndon Webb 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:16 
  AM
  Subject: Cosleeping
  
  All the sharing on the list about the 
  wonderful benefits of cosleeping has stirred my conscience. I have not had 
  children, but can see that this is a very natural thing to do. However, the is 
  a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big 
  no, nos is cosleeping. One of the paeds is on the SIDS committee and 
  apparently there where two cases in our area last year, two cases too many. We 
  have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received 
  the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is 
  not recommended. A midwives, many of us feel uncomfortable with telling 
  mothers that they must not sleep with their babies, and in my practice I was 
  beginning to encourage more and more mothers to "kanga cuddle" their babies 
  and have a snooze together in the days following the birth. Especially if they 
  were having feeding issues. I do know however, that there are also midwives 
  that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the 
  baby from the bed!
   
  I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping 
  which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise 
  women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on 
  SIDS?

Fw: E-News 4:24 - PROM (June 12, 2002)

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

> 
> 
> 1) Quote of the Week
> 
> "The best way to avoid a cesarean is to stay out of the hospital."
> -Brooke Sanders Purves
> o=o=o=o=o=o
> 
> 
> 2) The Art of Midwifery
> 
> Pelvic Press: Use this technique during second stage if there is a
> delay in descent or caput forming due to malposition or cephalopelvic
> disproportion. It also is helpful in occiput posterior babies, deep
> transverse arrest or a tight fit. It increases mid-pelvic and outlet
> dimensions to make room for fetal rotation and descent. The woman is
> in a squatting position, the partner or caregiver kneels behind her;
> during a contraction this person locates the iliac crests and presses
> them firmly toward each other. When combined with squatting, movement
> in rotation or descent should be visible in three to four
> contractions.
> >From "Labor Progress Handbook" by Ruth Ancheta & Penny Simkin;
> submitted by KarieAnn Zeinert, doula
> 
> 
> ALL BIRTH PRACTITIONERS: We encourage you to continue to send in your
> favorite tricks of your trade!
> o=o=o=o=o=o
> 
> 
> 3) News Flashes
> 
> A University of California at Davis School of Medicine study found
> that extending breastfeeding from four months to six months after
> birth greatly reduced the number of respiratory infections. The study
> of 2,277 children between the ages of 6 and 24 months identified five
> groups: formula-fed only, full breastfeeding for less than one month,
> full breastfeeding from one to four months, full breastfeeding from
> four to less than six months and full breastfeeding for six months or
> more. Researchers found that the chance of contracting pneumonia was
> reduced fivefold with two added months of full breastfeeding, and the
> risk of recurrent ear infections was reduced twofold. This is one of
> the first studies to show that breastfeeding longer adds to its
> benefits. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services plans a
> campaign starting in 2003 to encourage breastfeeding. In the United
> States, 64% of women breastfeed their newborns but only 29% continue
> for at least six months.
> -The Sacramento Bee, May 6, 2002, page B1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 4) Premature Rupture of Membranes (PROM)
> 
> Detection
> Question the mother about the following:
> * the amount of fluid that was lost
> * degree of inability to control the leakage
> * time of rupture
> * color of fluid
> * odor of fluid
> * last sexual intercourse or use of vaginally inserted products.
> 
> Laboratory tests can confirm the presence of amniotic fluid:
> * nitrazine test
> * vaginal pH determination
> * nile blue sulfate staining
> * amniotic fluid arborization (fern test).
> 
> Midwifery Parameters of Safety
> Midwives who adhere to a preventive philosophy and encourage their
> clients to do the same decrease the number of incidences of PROM. By
> educating their clients to eat a good diet and maintain good hygiene,
> avoid smoking and drugs, and clear up any vaginal infections, fewer
> cases of PROM occur.
> Many midwives, after having dispensed the appropriate precautions to
> their client, will wait up to two weeks for labor to commence. Women
> who are 37 weeks or more may be encouraged to stimulate labor by
> various methods.
> 
> PROM and the Preterm Fetus
> Thirty to fifty percent of preterm labors occur after PROM. Women with
> preterm (before 37 weeks) PROM should have white blood cell counts,
> with differentials, done every other day. They should be compared to
> counts taken earlier in the pregnancy.
> For very early PROM, most women will be given the usual precautions:
> bed rest and a tocolytic drug such as ritodrine. For those closer to
> term (35-36 wks), precautions will be given and the preferred
> treatment is waiting. Fetal lung maturity accelerates after membranes
> rupture and most healthy babies if larger than 2,550 grams will be
> good candidates for a homebirth.
> 
> Risks and Complications
> An unengaged fetal head can cause cord prolapse if the amniotic fluid
> rushes by, taking the cord with it. A small or premature baby may have
> a cord prolapse because there is enough room for the cord to pass.
> 
> Infection
> A woman with prenatal infections such as Gardnerella or Beta strep is
> at increased risk of PROM. Infections may predispose a woman to PROM
> by weakening the bag.
> A study by Dr. Lewis Mehl in California showed that infections
> dramatically increased after the fourth day. Another study in the
> Netherlands of 6,014 pregnancies found no increased risk of infection
> for PROM if no vaginal exams were done and delivery exceeded 24 hours
> from PROM.
> 
> Signs and Symptoms of Infection
> Chorioamnionitis occurs when the two layers of the placental
> membranes, the chorion and amnion, become infected or inflamed. No one
> sign or symptom should be used as the only criterium for diagnosing
> infection. Some indications of infection are: maternal fever, seen in
> 85-100% of infected women; fetal tachycardia, 180 or more; chills;
> uter

Banner?flyer for Politicians

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Re: Banner?flyer for Politicians

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Dear Elizabeth 
There is more than one obstetric Crisis at present 

 - PI insurance
- Shortage or rather only working in metro areas 
thus
 we are both wrong it is crises  I meant 
not crisis nor crisies!
Or should that be 3 crises the escalating 
intervention rates?
 
Denise
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:40 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Banner?flyer for 
  Politicians
  
  I like them.   Watch the 
  spelling/misprint - crisis.  OK
  Liz
  
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From: 
S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:40 
AM
Subject: Banner?flyer for 
Politicians

Support 
Midwives
To Solve Obstetric Crisies
Implement The National 
Maternity Action Plan:
www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmap.html. 
 
or
 
 

 
To Solve Obstetric Crisies
Implement The National 
Maternity Action Plan:
www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmap.html. 
  

Fw: Chinese proverbs

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
I like this and wish you all appreciate its truth as as the frogs have the
ear of the media and we do not
At the moment
Denise

> The Farmer and the Frogs
>
> A farmer came into town and asked the owner of a restaurant if he
> could use a million frog legs.  The restaurant owner was shocked and
> asked the man where he could get so many frog legs.
>
> The farmer replied, "There is a pond near my house that is full of
> frogs - millions of them.  They all croak all night long and they are
> about to make me crazy!"
>
> So the restaurant owner and the farmer made an agreement that the
> farmer would deliver frogs to the restaurant, 500 at a time for the
> next several weeks.  The first week, the farmer returned to the
> restaurant looking rather sheepish, with 2 scrawny little frogs.
>
> The restaurant owner said, "Well... where are all the frogs?"
>
> The farmer said, "I was mistaken.  There were only these 2 frogs in
> the pond.  But they sure were making a lot of noise!"
>
> [Next time you hear somebody criticizing or making fun of you,
> remember, it's probably just a couple of noisy frogs.  Also remember
> that problems always seem bigger in the dark.  Have you ever laid in
> your bed at night worrying about things which seem almost
> overwhelming like a million frogs croaking?  Chances are pretty good
> that when the morning comes, and you take a closer look, you'll
> wonder what all the fuss was about].
>
> 
>
> The Turtles
>
> A turtle family decided to go on a picnic.  Turtles,being naturally
> slow about things, took 7 years to prepare for their outing.  Finally
> the turtle family left home looking for a suitable place for their
> outing.
>
> During the second year of their journey they found a place ideal for
> them at last!  For about 6 months they cleaned up the area, unpacked
> the picnic basket and completed the arrangements.  Then they
> discovered they had forgotten the salt.  A picnic without salt would
> be a disaster, they all agreed.
>
> After a lengthy discussion, the youngest turtle was chosen to retrieve
> the salt from home.  Although he was the fastest of the slow moving
> turtles, the little turtle whined, cried and wobbled in his shell.  He
> agreed to go on one condition: that no one would eat until he
> returned.
>
> The family consented and the little turtle left. 3 years passed and the
> little turtle had not returned. 5 years... 6 years... then on the 7th year
> of his absence, the oldest turtle could no longer contain his hunger.
> He announced that he was going to eat and begun to unwrap a
> sandwich.
>
> At that point the little turtle suddenly popped out from behind a tree
> shouting, "SEE! I knew you wouldn't wait.  Now I am not going to
> go get the salt."
>
> [Some of us waste our time waiting for people to live up to our
> expectations.  We are so concerned about what others are doing that
> we don't do anything ourselves.]
>
> 
>
> The Pretty Lady
>
> Once upon a time a big monk and a little monk were travelling
> together.  They came to the bank of a river and found the bridge was
> damaged so they had to wade across.  There was a pretty lady who
> was stuck at the damaged bridge and couldn't cross the river.
>
> The big monk offered to carry the pretty lady across the river on his
> back.  The lady accepted and the little monk was shocked by the
> move of the big monk.
>
> "How can big disciple brother carry a lady when we are supposed to
> avoid all intimacy with females?" thought the little monk.  But he
> kept quiet.
>
> The big monk carried the lady across the river and the small monk
> followed unhappily.  When they crossed the river, the big monk let
> the lady down and they parted ways with her.
>
> All along the way for several miles, the little monk was very unhappy
> with the act of the big monk.  He was making up all kinds of
> accusations about the big monk in his head.  This got him madder
> and madder but he still kept quiet.  And the big monk had no
> inclination to explain his situation.
>
> Finally, at a rest point many hours later, the little monk could not
> stand it any further, he burst out angrily at the big monk.  "How can
> you claim yourself a devout monk, when you seize the first
> opportunity to touch a female, especially when she is very pretty?  All
> your teachings to me make you a big hypocrite."
>
> The big monk looked surprised and said, "I had put down the pretty
> lady at the river bank many hours ago, how come you are still
> carrying her along?"
>
> [This very old Chinese zen story reflects the thinking of many people
> today.  We encounter many unpleasant things in our life, they irritate
> us and they make us angry.  Sometimes, they cause us a lot of hurt,
> sometimes they cause us to be bitter or jealous.  But like the little
> monk, we are not willing to let them go away.  We keep on carrying
> the baggage of the "pretty lady" with us

Re: RWH Bris Birth Centre Update

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

How come other birth centres are not so 
?
 
Are there a lot of other restrictions at 
Brisbane??
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Phillip Fogarty 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:14 
PM
  Subject: Re: RWH Bris Birth Centre 
  Update
  
  Megan, 
   
  As it was explained to me while we were touring 
  the RWH Brisbane (2 months ago) hospitals current policy stands because they 
  say that yes, they do clean the baths, but no amount of cleaning can get rid 
  of every single germ that is put in there.  We were also told during 
  ante-natal (16 months ago) that the hospital policy on water births was a NO 
  because they were concerned with workplace health and safety re: Midwives 
  backs leaning over the bath, slipping etc.    
   
  KF.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
megan 
davidson 
To: Debby M ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:47 
PM
Subject: Re: RWH Bris Birth Centre 
Update

Congratulations Debbie, on achieving the rare goal of 
negotiating your care (sucessfully) with a large hospital. I am very pleased 
to see that it can be done.
 
There is just one thing, however, that concerns 
me
 
"Pat indicated that some of the patients who go to the labour suite 
have dubious cleanliness habits and she would prefer I don't labour with ROM 
in those baths but the BC baths are not used as often and the clientelle is 
different"
 
Don't they clean the baths between clients? Who is to be 
considered as possesing "dubious cleanliness habits"? I am sure that we have 
had clients in our birthing unit which may have been seen as dubious, 
however that has never prevented them or any of our other "clean" clients 
from using the bath. Surely the birthing center should be using their bath 
more? What makes their clients so different?
 
Yours in "dubious cleanliness"
Megan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:05 
  PM
  Subject: RWH Bris Birth Centre 
  Update
  
  
  
  Hi Lynn and the other ladies and gents on the board,
  Well some interesting occurrences in my battle to achieve a 
  minimal to non intervention birth at Royal Women's Brisbane.
  I received a letter from Stephen Ayres one of the admin type OBs late 
  last week that basically told me to go jump and there was no way I could 
  go to the Birth Centre.  That the policy review was a generic one not 
  a Birth Centre specific one and that was that.
  Telling me out and out no is never a good idea - I'm too stubborn to 
  accept that - so via Kevin Forbes I sent the hospital back an email that 
  was a major dummy spit basically saying if they wouldn't compromise with 
  me then I wasn't going to compromise with them either and listing a whole 
  heap of standard protocols with which I would fail to provide 
  any consent.
  The next day I received a call from Pat Schneider (head of nursing 
  services at RWH), who some of you probably know, and we arranged to meet 
  this morning.  She indicated on the phone that she felt she could 
  offer me some good compromises and was apologetic that the issue had taken 
  so long to come to any sort of resolution.
  So off I toddled to my ante natal visit with Anne Mc-T (my doula) who 
  some of you also probably know and we had a lovely chat with Pat.  
  The compromises she has offered me were fantastic.  Although I still 
  cannot be admitted to the Birth Centre as a birth centre patient I am 
  getting basically a birth centre birth right next door (literally).  
  
  Pat has arranged for one of the BC midwives to be my midwife for the 
  remainder of my pregnancy and for my delivery - so I get my continuity of 
  care.  She also offered to be on call herself in case there were any 
  issues.
  The room they are going to try to save for me is the one right next to 
  the entrance to the BC so that my support team and I will have full access 
  to the BCs general facilities as would a BC patient.
  I have full permission to rearrange the room how I please (nesting big 
  time) to make the environment as unclinical (read unthreatening) as I need 
  including putting the standard hospital bed away and putting the bed 
  mattress on the floor - dim lights, music, any personal items the works. 
  (This may seem odd but with my first VBAC I had a failure to progress for 
  about 6 hrs that started when I got to hospital and the only thing I can 
  put it to was being tensed up by the hospital clinical environment).
  The midwife I have been assigned is trained in supporting women in 
  labour and also in water birth.  There 

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]





OR"Midwives and Women Working Together for a 
Better Birthing Future"
OR
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring Together to 
Birth a Better Future"
 
OR 
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring for a 
Better Future"
 
OR 
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring for  
Better Births"
 
OR

"Midwives and Women Labouring for  Safe, 
Loving Births"
 
OR 
"Midwives and Women Labouring for  Safe, 
Gentle Births"
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:41 AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  I was pleased to read Joy and Tina's comments on 
  this topic and I agree wholeheartedly with you both.
  In trying to appeal to a wider audience (the 
  public) and attract their attention and support, negativity is not the way to 
  go.
  Whenever one puts down another, they are not 
  successfully building themselves up.
  We need to point to the system and current 
  attitudes as wrong not doctors.  Doctors are just as much victims as 
  women and midwives are.
  Therefore my suggestion is to gain the 
  genuine support of the community through going back to the very 
  basics.
  "Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
  Birthing Future"
   
  I think everyone would get the message right 
  away.
  hug to all
  Julie Clarke
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 
PM
Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern 
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind 
  you that it’s not about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of 
  maternity service funding because the system is wrong, not because they 
  themselves have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together.  
  Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that 
  is safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society.  One 
  of the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical 
  births in this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, 
  and is severely restricted.  So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I 
  won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. 
The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth 
reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, 
ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the 
agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its 
simple, effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - 
as a consumer led, political action for birth reform in this 
countryThe NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 
!!!My two bobs worthYours in birth,Tina 
PettigrewBirthworksBachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE 
Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student 
Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
As we trust the flowers to open to new 
life   
- So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.--- 

Re:

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Is that "Women and midwives, Birthing the Future 
through NMAP"
??
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  elizabeth mcalpine 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:30 PM
  
  OK.  I've got to join in.  How about
   
  "Birth of the Future"
   
  "Birthing the Future"
   
  heh, heh
   
  Liz
   

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]




I would like to re-arrange all suggestions so Women 
come before midwives 
eg 

"Women and Midwives Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future" instead of 

"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
Also I appreciated Rhonda's comments, 
insights into marketing so for example I would reduce the above to a more 
succinct (or rather my mother would have told me it was repetitious if I had 
written it in a school assignment!) 
"Women and 
Midwives Labouring  for a Better Future" 

 
Denise 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoFromOz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  I think a combination:
   
  "Midwives and Women Labouring 
  Together for a Better Birthing Future"
   
  My 2cents :)
   
  Jo

Re: slogan

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

I personally like the Double meaning of Labouring 
ebing used instead of working /striving 
There is of course 
"NMAP, for Labours of Love!"
 
Or NMAP a labour of love!
 
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
  Subject: slogan
  
  I know that it is the National MIDWIFERY action 
  plan but I am a little unsure as to whether the slogan should specify women 
  and Midwives as suggested 
  "Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
  Birthing Future"
  There may actually be doctors who 
  support this idea so again they are being marginalised.  Their argument 
  is always based on 'having the optimal outcome -healthy mother healthy 
  baby'.  Perhaps the slogan should just be generic: 
  Striving for a Better Birthing 
  Future
   
  (and please no one make comment about 
  the validity of the doctors so called optimal outcome, I am a firm believer 
  that the definition of 'healthy' needs to be addressed 
  majorally!!  I just think that  the slogan that excludes 
  could be seen as confrontational and that only makes it harder for support to 
  be obtained by this element of the birth care professionals.)
   
  good luck and cheers 
   
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Orwould they go for  the less 
wordy
 
Women 
and  Midwives Labouring  
for Better Births! 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:44 
  AM
  Subject: RE: slogan for NMAP
  
  
  Actually 
  I think that the babies are born, pizzas are delivered is not about midwives 
  vs doctors but rather about women’s power. 
   
  Babies 
  are born by their mothers’ power vs babies are delivered by other peoples’ 
  power. 
   
  There is 
  some importance in the changing of language 
usage.
   
  But I do 
  agree about it not becoming a doctor vs midwife 
  issue.
   
  So.. lets think media … will the 
  media pick up… Midwives 
  and Women Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future  
  
   
   
  I’m 
  doubtful…  
  
   
  I sort of 
  like  NMAP 
  - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 
  
   
  Because 
  it gets the NMAP into the public mind and has that women’s focus and the media 
  will pick up on the push for birth reform theme I 
  think.
   
  But what 
  about a visual icon to go with that???
   
  In peace 
  and joy
   
  Sally 
  Westbury.
   
   

Re: NMAP Slogan

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Debby 
Congratulations on being  Very creative 
!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 9:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: NMAP Slogan
  
  
  In line with Rhonda's commercial idea - here are a few (apologies if 
  there are any duplications here I haven't read everyone elses entries):
   
  War of the Womb
   
  Sharing, Caring, Birthing
   
  Reclaiming New Life
   
  My Body My Way
   
  Overcoming The Sound of Silence
   
  Advance Australia - In Fair Birthing Options
   
  Waltzing Midwifery
   
  Body and Soul - Modern Birthing Options
   
  Giving Birth to a Bright Future
   
  All things Birth and Beautiful
   
  To the Mother Born
   
  Debby M
   
   
   
   
   
  
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Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Has some one made a list of all these suggestions?
We need to try them on the uninformed as Rhonda suggested
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:32 
PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  


  
Ok - leaving out Women in view of the male aspect -
 
"Look who's labouring for a better future!" And then you could add 
what you wanted in small print.  Funny - you tell people to look 
and they do!
 
---Original 
Message---
 

From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.
Date: Friday, June 
21, 2002 23:16:39
To: JoFromOz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: slogan 
for NMAP
 
I would like to re-arrange all suggestions 
so Women come before midwives 
eg 

"Women and 
Midwives Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future" instead 
of 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
Also I appreciated Rhonda's 
comments, insights into marketing so for example I would reduce the 
above to a more succinct (or rather my mother would have told me it was 
repetitious if I had written it in a school assignment!) 

"Women and 
Midwives Labouring  for a Better Future" 

 
Denise 

 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoFromOz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for 
NMAP
  
  I think a combination:
   
  "Midwives and Women 
  Labouring Together for a Better Birthing 
  Future"
   
  My 2cents :)
   
  Jo
 

  

  
  


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Dr Karl's mythinformation

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dr Karl S Kruskeinicki
Good Weekend
Sydney Morning Herald Magazine
 
Dear Dr Karl 
I am disappointed at the bias and 
mythinformation of this latest Myythconceptions!I suspect 
that the source of the information and approach in this 
weekend's article could be the great mythconception in our 
society's birthing practices, that the medical 
approach to birth is the best, the safest and only one informed people 
should take! 
To even suggest that medical induction and or 
augmentation of birth is surer and less complicated for a woman, or her baby 
than any of the natural endeavours women have and may continue to employ is 
not only dangerously misinformed it is patronising and dismissive! 
It is also poor science to dismiss an approach on 
the basis of an anecdote and another on unreferrenced, uncritiqued survey by 
member of a group which is not noted for its objectivity or experience 
of the subject ("the folk beliefs about labour") as you have done in your 
article!

Please at least refer to the findings and 
outcomes of 
1) More than 2 decades of reviews into our 
maternity services and birthing outcomes. 
2) International Cochrane Database 
3) The World Health Organisation 
All of which show that midwives are the safest 
most appropriate carers of normal healthy pregnant women. 
Midwives do not have the reductionist, 
mechanistic approach to child bearing which is implicit in the source and 
content of your article! It is beyond me to share the vast and complex knowledge base of a holistic midwifery 
approach to childbirth which knows that there can be place for 
the "folk lore" subjects which you have dismissed, in one letter or an 
article! \
For midwives the place for any treatment in 
childbirth is up to a woman, once she has been given a range of 
unbiased information on which to base her choice as to what best meets the needs 
of herself and her baby!Meanwhile you could begin to inform yourself of 
the complex state of birthing by perusing the above sources and reading the 
National Maternity Action Plan of informed maternity consumers and midwives of 
Australia (see www.communtymidwifery.iinet.net.au)
Yours sincerely 
Denise Hynd RN, RM, BApSc, IBCLC.
Midwife
 

Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
Have you heard the Dimensions series on ABC TV Mon 
to Thurs 6:30 pm is to be hosted ( and possibly produced by George Negus!!I 
understand he and Kirstie have birthed their children at home on the North coast 
with midwives!Any one know which midwife??I see a possible program at 
least on the CMWA coming up with the right approach !!??Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:41 
PM
  Subject: Re: Dr Karl's 
  mythinformation
  
  
  
  Looks like everyone is thinking along the same lines.  I sent an email 
  to Dr Karl (as he likes to be known) and also to triple J where 
  he "appears" quite often challenging them to do an article/info session 
  on the whole birth industry and indicating how narrow it currently is - of 
  course quoting some well known facts such as the Scandanavian countries 
  having a lower maternal and fetal mortality and morbidity rate and csec 
  rate than we and the US do despite the fact that their care is 
  primarily midwifery driven.
  The name of the programmer at triple J is Justine - affectionately known a 
  "Queen Justine".  Perhaps through triple J and maybe the ABC in general 
  we may be able to get a bit more information out to the public both on NMAP 
  and birth options generally.  Triple J is a youth program and it is the 
  young women coming into their childbearing years who are most affected by the 
  current limitations in the system - so maybe promote this option as youth 
  orientated.
  Just a thought
  
  Debby
  
  
  
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Agency midwives and PI

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All 
A few months/weeks ago their were some 
emails that agency midwives had lost their PI then someone reported 
that  SA agency had gotr insurance 
Can some one tell me which agency that 
was?
 
Denise Hynd
presntly doing agency work in Sydney! 

NMAP Slognas todate!!

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

NMAP RECLAIMING BIRTH 
Value birth; Support the National Maternity Action 
Plan.
For Many Happy Birthdays, Support the 
National Maternity Action Plan
NMAP for Real Birth.Love Birth. LifeHold 
Life.Embrace Life.Embrace Birth - Embrace Life.RECLAIM YOUR BIRTHDAY With 
NMAP
 
NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION 
PLAN
Want a Happier 
Birthday?
Support the National Maternity Action 
Plan
'Push for Birth Reform' - Support National 
Maternity Action Plan (NMAP)
 
NMAP; STAND UP FOR 
BIRTH
NMAP; STAND UP FOR BIRTH 
REFORM 
PUSH FOR BIRTH 
REFORM 
NMAP –A BRIGHT FUTURE FOR 
BIRTH 
Look who's labouring for a 
better future! 
–NMAP-
'Back to Better Birthing; NMAP'
"NMAP - a labour of love"   

NMAP - freedom to birth your child, 

NMAP - birthing with family, friends and 

        
    fundamental freedom 
Lie and deliver or  - stand up for 
birth with NMAP.
Your National Maternity Action Plan for 
beautiful birthing.
Your National 
Maternity Action Plan - pushing for birth 
reform.  
Pushing for 
birth reform with the NMAP War of the Womb
 
Sharing, Caring, Birthing
Reclaiming New Life
My Body My Way
Overcoming The Sound of Silence
Advance Australia - In Fair Birthing Options
Waltzing Midwifery
Body and Soul - Modern Birthing Options
Giving Birth to a Bright Future
All things Birth and Beautiful
To the Mother Born
Look who's labouring for a better 
future!"
'Back to Better 
Birthing'
The NMAP - towards humanised birth for 
all”
"Birth of the Future"
United 
in birth : women and midwives. 

Progress through partnership. 
Women and Midwives Reforming Maternity 
Care.
Women: central to birth, central to 
midwives.
Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future  

 
"Midwives and Women Striving for a Better Birthing 
Future"
 
Striving for a Better Birthing Future
 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
OR"Midwives 
and Women Working Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring Together to Birth a Better Future"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for a Better Future"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Better Births"
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Safe, Loving Births"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Safe, Gentle Births"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

NMAP Slognas todate!!

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Slogan 
suggests so Far!!NMAP RECLAIMING BIRTH 
Value birth; Support the National Maternity Action 
Plan.
For Many Happy Birthdays, Support the 
National Maternity Action Plan
NMAP for Real Birth.Love Birth. LifeHold 
Life.Embrace Life.Embrace Birth - Embrace Life.RECLAIM YOUR BIRTHDAY With 
NMAP
 
NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION 
PLAN
Want a Happier 
Birthday?
Support the National Maternity Action 
Plan
'Push for Birth Reform' - Support National 
Maternity Action Plan (NMAP)
 
NMAP; STAND UP FOR 
BIRTH
NMAP; STAND UP FOR BIRTH 
REFORM 
PUSH FOR BIRTH 
REFORM 
NMAP –A BRIGHT FUTURE FOR 
BIRTH 
Look who's labouring for a 
better future! 
–NMAP-
'Back to Better Birthing; NMAP'
"NMAP - a labour of love"   

NMAP - freedom to birth your child, 

NMAP - birthing with family, friends and 

        
    fundamental freedom 
Lie and deliver or  - stand up for 
birth with NMAP.
Your National Maternity Action Plan for 
beautiful birthing.
Your National 
Maternity Action Plan - pushing for birth 
reform.  
Pushing for 
birth reform with the NMAP War of the Womb
 
Sharing, Caring, Birthing
Reclaiming New Life
My Body My Way
Overcoming The Sound of Silence
Advance Australia - In Fair Birthing Options
Waltzing Midwifery
Body and Soul - Modern Birthing Options
Giving Birth to a Bright Future
All things Birth and Beautiful
To the Mother Born
Look who's labouring for a better 
future!"
'Back to Better 
Birthing'
The NMAP - towards humanised birth for 
all”
"Birth of the Future"
United 
in birth : women and midwives. 

Progress through partnership. 
Women and Midwives Reforming Maternity 
Care.
Women: central to birth, central to 
midwives.
Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future  

 
"Midwives and Women Striving for a Better Birthing 
Future"
 
Striving for a Better Birthing Future
 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
OR"Midwives 
and Women Working Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring Together to Birth a Better Future"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for a Better Future"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Better Births"
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Safe, Loving Births"
 
 
"Midwives and 
Women Labouring for  Safe, Gentle Births"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Sally
 I have tried to access an electronic copy 
!
Have sent an email of help to the SMH 
archivist!Particularly as Dr Karl feels I have done him 
wrong!!
He has my words which he has questioned but with 
out his on the email format, I am a slow typist 
and as you have all seen slippery fingered!
Mind you others 
of a non midwifery bent (&others of our persuasion)  I ran the article 
past saw the same or similar meaning as I did!
Denise 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Sally 

  To: 'S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.' 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:16 PM
  Subject: RE: Dr Karl's 
  mythinformation
  
  
  Any 
  possibility of posting the article from Karl here so that people from other 
  states can see it. 
  
   
  Thanks
   
  Sally 
  Westbury

Re: NMAP Slogans to date!!

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Sally
 I like it but to come out these days has an 
extra meaning & though I like a play on words do we want NMAP caught up in 
another debate which is unrelated to its cause?Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: 'S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:00 PM
  Subject: RE: NMAP Slogans to date!!
  
  
  What 
  about 
   
  COME 
  OUT
  Naturally
  NMAP

Re: Thinking ahead - Implementing the NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear Barb and Tracy
Once again you are to be congratulated and thanked for your forward
thinking, planning and openess!
What an amazing maternity services community we(Australia) is poised to have
if we continue in this spirit!
Denise


- Original Message -
From: "Vernon at Stringybark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ozbirth"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Tracy Reibel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Thinking ahead - Implementing the NMAP


Dear colleagues and friends,

We've been giving some thought to how best to go about ensuring the National
Maternity Action Plan is implemented once endorsements and launch of the
Plan have been completed in the next few months.

Please read the invitation below and respond to Tracy Reibel at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] by 15/7/02 if you're interested in being involved.

***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***

NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR LAUNCH OF NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION PLAN AND ONGOING
LOBBYING

EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST FOR FORMATION OF A REPRESENTATIVE NATIONAL COMMITTEE

To date the development of the NMAP has been undertaken by a small group who
have continued to edit and refine the plan into the document that we now
have. Endorsements are being received from across Australia and also from
the UK, NZ, and US including very high profile childbirth advocates such as
Sheila Kitzinger, Marsden Wagner, and Janet Balaskas.

Additionally, many people in each state have also put in tremendous efforts
in pursuing interest in implementing community midwifery models of care in
their local health area, and the NMAP is already proving useful in this
process despite the fact that it has not been Oofficially¹ released.

The ongoing lobbying that will be required to ensure that the Plan is placed
before those people (in government, health departments, policy makers etc.)
who need to see the plan will be a task that needs coordination at both a
state by state and national level.

To achieve this, it is proposed that a national representative committee be
formed to oversee this process. This committee should have two-three
representatives from each state, who have the time and resources available
to commit to the Plan, who can participate in an email-group and who are in
contact with a range of people interested in this campaign, as this is the
only viable way to undertake this proposal.

To this end, it is also proposed that all those people who want to be
involved in this committee should notify Tracy Reibel (Community Midwifery
WA) of their interest and background, and, depending on the outcome of these
expressions of interest, it can then be determined if we have a
representative group, and whether further interested persons need to be
approached.

This may require that within each state, the various groups and individuals
currently involved in progressing the NMAP need to have a conversation among
each other to determine who is available to represent their state.

It is acknowledged that the diversity of views on pregnancy and childbirth
cannot necessarily be accommodated in entirety in this campaign. What is
required is agreement on a set of core values and work is currently being
undertaken to flesh out these values for further discussion, as well as
details on the role of the committee and, to what extent the committee needs
to be formally adopted as a Ocoalition of groups interested in advancing
maternity reform¹.

It is important that, to achieve the goal of genuine maternity reform, we
need a comprehensive and cohesive approach. To this end, a draft National
Media Strategy has been developed by Summer Goodwin (Community Midwifery WA)
to facilitate a coordinated approach to the release of the plan.

In the first instance then, could expressions of interest be forwarded to
Tracy Reibel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] by 15/7/02. Following this, the
proposed committee of  representatives will be advised to all those who have
shown an interest, and the process will be finalised as quickly as possible
to ensure that the committee can get down to the business of coordinating a
national campaign.

We hope that you will join in the spirit of this proposal, and help us to
achieve maternity reform across the nation. While there are limitations on
our capacity to be truly democratic in this process, it has so far been a
truly collaborative effort, and we hope that this same sense of Osisterhood¹
is retained over the coming months.

Sincerely,

Tracy ReibelBarbara Vernon





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[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Dear All
I am going off line for a few days as I move house 
please send you feedback re NMAP to Sally Westbury 
Sally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>