Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Jan Robinson]

Hi Barbara
I know all the registered midwives who attend homebirths.

I'm after ANY information about planned homebirths where NO REGISTERED
MIDWIFE WAS PRESENT.

ASIM would really like lots of these consumers to tell the Department of
Health that they were forced into this situation of an unattended homebirth
simply because there was NO MIDWIFE CHOICE available to them.
 
Supplying this type of information should help us get homebirths funded.
It is hoped that funding the homebirths would increase the demand and also
encourage more registered midwives to move into the homebirth practice
arena. 
We hope that an increased demand for homebirths would force the government
to recommend community midwifery programs be set up in all area health
services. Community Midwifery Programs would provide consumers with a choice
of birth venue.

Jan Robinson




On 2/9/03 7:55 AM, "Barbara Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> might this include unregistered midwives?
> Barbara
> 
> 
> --- Denise Hynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> Dear Jan
>> I am sure this applies in every state
>> Go for it
>> Denise
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:25 PM
>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear ozmid subscribers
>>> 
>>> If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse
>> or 'near miss' outcomes
>>> from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send
>> it to me privately.
>>> 
>>> There seems to be at least twice the number of
>> unattended homebirths
>>> occurring in NSW than those attended by registered
>> midwives.
>>> 
>>> Any information forwarded will be treated
>> confidentially (your names will
>>> not be published) but accurate information of
>> cases will be compiled in a
>>> list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try
>> and fast-track the
>>> funding of homebirths in NSW.
>>> 
>>> Every woman deserves her own midwife free of
>> charge.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in anticipation
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> __
>>>  Jan Robinson  
>> Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
>>>  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail:
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  8 Robin Crescent www:
>> midwiferyeducation.com.au
>>>  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National
>> Coordinator, ASIM
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Jan Robinson]

Hi Alphia
I'm getting it from the Department of Births, Deaths and Marriages.
Call me if you need any further information.
I'll probably see you next term. I'll be out your way for some teaching.
Jan


On 2/9/03 9:32 AM, "Alphia Garrety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jan,
> 
> Where are you getting these statistics from?  I find this of interest for
> the research that I am pursuing at the moment.
> 
> Take care
> Alphia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 08:25 AM 1/09/03 +1000, you wrote:
>> Dear ozmid subscribers
>> 
>> If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes
>> from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
>> 
>> There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
>> occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
>> 
>> Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will
>> not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a
>> list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
>> funding of homebirths in NSW.
>> 
>> Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.
>> 
>> Thanks in anticipation
>> Jan
>> 
>> __
>>  Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
>>  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  8 Robin Crescent www:   midwiferyeducation.com.au
>>  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
>> __
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[jo hunter]

I'm sure there are lay/traditional midwives out there assisting women.
We're always really careful to promote attended homebirth and only refer
women to midwives who are registered, however I'm sure it wouldn't be hard
to find some traditional midwives, if that's what a woman is seeking.
Jo

- Original Message -
From: "Barbara Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:55 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION


> might this include unregistered midwives?
> Barbara
>
>
>  --- Denise Hynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> Dear Jan
> > I am sure this applies in every state
> > Go for it
> > Denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:25 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
> >
> >
> > > Dear ozmid subscribers
> > >
> > > If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse
> > or 'near miss' outcomes
> > > from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send
> > it to me privately.
> > >
> > > There seems to be at least twice the number of
> > unattended homebirths
> > > occurring in NSW than those attended by registered
> > midwives.
> > >
> > > Any information forwarded will be treated
> > confidentially (your names will
> > > not be published) but accurate information of
> > cases will be compiled in a
> > > list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try
> > and fast-track the
> > > funding of homebirths in NSW.
> > >
> > > Every woman deserves her own midwife free of
> > charge.
> > >
> > > Thanks in anticipation
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> >
> __
> > >  Jan Robinson
> > Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
> > >  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  8 Robin Crescent www:
> > midwiferyeducation.com.au
> > >  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National
> > Coordinator, ASIM
> > >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[jayne]

Thanks for that info Jo.  Your comment that many of these 'doing it
unassisted' quite successfully is what I expected.  It concerns me that Jan
is seeking out information re "any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes from any
PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS" to use as a  "list of 'horror stories' that
ASIM will use to try and fast-track the funding of homebirths in NSW".

Just like how they try to use horror stories of midwife assisted homebirth
to tell us that we should be birthing in hospitals.

In fact, I think that Jan might find the opposite is true of what she is
seeking.

Regards,

Jayne






> Hi Jayne,
> As the coordinator of Homebirth Access Sydney (consumer run organisation)
I
> do receive calls from women requesting information about unassisted
> homebirth. I was receiving quite a few calls for a time there (averaging
1 -
> 2 a month, which I consider alot), however I haven't received any for a
> while.
>
> It seems there are a range of reasons women are choosing unattended
> homebirth, it is important to remember here that unattended does not
> necessarily mean unsupported. Many of the women I have spoken with who
have
> opted to go down this road are very supported (just not by a midwife) and
> have studied and researched extensively and know more about birth than
most
> birthing woman and possibly some midwives.
>
> The reasons I have come across are (in order of preference)
> - Have had previous homebirths and don't have access to a midwife (either
no
> one in area or midwives they have contacted are totally booked up)
> - A personal philosophy, something that they and their partner really want
> to do
> - Have had previous negative experience in hospital, don't want to go down
> that road again but can't find a midwife.
> - Have had previous uncomplicated natural birth in hospital, want to birth
> at home but can't afford/find a midwife.
>
> It is very difficult because of the nature of phone contact there is often
> no follow up, therefore we never end up knowing what these women decide to
> do and what outcomes have occurred. I do ask them to keep in touch but
> inevitably they don't.
>
> Looking at the statistics of homebirths with a midwife attending and
> homebirths without a midwife attending (which I believe is more than
> double), it appears that many of them are 'doing it unassisted' quite
> successfully.
>
> Cheers
> Jo Hunter
> Homebirth mum to 4 children
> HAS Coordinator
> INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
>
>
> > Are these planned unattended homebirths being choosen because they can't
> > afford/have access to a midwife?  Or for other reasons?
> >
> > Jayne
> >
> > >
> > > If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss'
> outcomes
> > > from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
> > >
> > > There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
> > > occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
> > >
> > > Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names
> will
> > > not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled
in
> a
> > > list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
> > > funding of homebirths in NSW.
> > >
> > > Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.
> > >
> > > Thanks in anticipation
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> __
> > >  Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546
> 4350
> > >  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  8 Robin Crescent www:
> midwiferyeducation.com.au
> > >  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
> > >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Alphia Garrety]

Jan,

Where are you getting these statistics from?  I find this of interest for 
the research that I am pursuing at the moment.

Take care
Alphia


At 08:25 AM 1/09/03 +1000, you wrote:
Dear ozmid subscribers

If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes
from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will
not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a
list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
funding of homebirths in NSW.
Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.

Thanks in anticipation
Jan
__
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 Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 8 Robin Crescent www:   midwiferyeducation.com.au
 South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
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UWS Locked Bag 1797
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NSW 1797 Australia
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[ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Barbara Howe]

might this include unregistered midwives?
Barbara


 --- Denise Hynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Dear Jan
> I am sure this applies in every state
> Go for it
> Denise
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:25 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
> 
> 
> > Dear ozmid subscribers
> >
> > If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse
> or 'near miss' outcomes
> > from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send
> it to me privately.
> >
> > There seems to be at least twice the number of
> unattended homebirths
> > occurring in NSW than those attended by registered
> midwives.
> >
> > Any information forwarded will be treated
> confidentially (your names will
> > not be published) but accurate information of
> cases will be compiled in a
> > list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try
> and fast-track the
> > funding of homebirths in NSW.
> >
> > Every woman deserves her own midwife free of
> charge.
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation
> > Jan
> >
> >
>
__
> >  Jan Robinson
> Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
> >  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  8 Robin Crescent www:  
> midwiferyeducation.com.au
> >  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National
> Coordinator, ASIM
> >
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[jo hunter]

Hi Jayne,
As the coordinator of Homebirth Access Sydney (consumer run organisation) I
do receive calls from women requesting information about unassisted
homebirth. I was receiving quite a few calls for a time there (averaging 1 -
2 a month, which I consider alot), however I haven't received any for a
while.

It seems there are a range of reasons women are choosing unattended
homebirth, it is important to remember here that unattended does not
necessarily mean unsupported. Many of the women I have spoken with who have
opted to go down this road are very supported (just not by a midwife) and
have studied and researched extensively and know more about birth than most
birthing woman and possibly some midwives.

The reasons I have come across are (in order of preference)
- Have had previous homebirths and don't have access to a midwife (either no
one in area or midwives they have contacted are totally booked up)
- A personal philosophy, something that they and their partner really want
to do
- Have had previous negative experience in hospital, don't want to go down
that road again but can't find a midwife.
- Have had previous uncomplicated natural birth in hospital, want to birth
at home but can't afford/find a midwife.

It is very difficult because of the nature of phone contact there is often
no follow up, therefore we never end up knowing what these women decide to
do and what outcomes have occurred. I do ask them to keep in touch but
inevitably they don't.

Looking at the statistics of homebirths with a midwife attending and
homebirths without a midwife attending (which I believe is more than
double), it appears that many of them are 'doing it unassisted' quite
successfully.

Cheers
Jo Hunter
Homebirth mum to 4 children
HAS Coordinator
INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula


- Original Message -
From: "jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION


> Are these planned unattended homebirths being choosen because they can't
> afford/have access to a midwife?  Or for other reasons?
>
> Jayne
>
> >
> > If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss'
outcomes
> > from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
> >
> > There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
> > occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
> >
> > Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names
will
> > not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in
a
> > list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
> > funding of homebirths in NSW.
> >
> > Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation
> > Jan
> >
> >
__
> >  Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546
4350
> >  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  8 Robin Crescent www:
midwiferyeducation.com.au
> >  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Jan
I am sure this applies in every state
Go for it
Denise
- Original Message - 
From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION


> Dear ozmid subscribers
>
> If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes
> from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
>
> There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
> occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
>
> Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will
> not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a
> list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
> funding of homebirths in NSW.
>
> Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.
>
> Thanks in anticipation
> Jan
>
> __
>  Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
>  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  8 Robin Crescent www:   midwiferyeducation.com.au
>  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[jayne]

Are these planned unattended homebirths being choosen because they can't
afford/have access to a midwife?  Or for other reasons?

Jayne

>
> If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes
> from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.
>
> There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
> occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.
>
> Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will
> not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a
> list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
> funding of homebirths in NSW.
>
> Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.
>
> Thanks in anticipation
> Jan
>
> __
>  Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350
>  Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  8 Robin Crescent www:   midwiferyeducation.com.au
>  South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
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[ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION

[Jan Robinson]

Dear ozmid subscribers

If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes
from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately.

There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths
occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives.

Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will
not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a
list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the
funding of homebirths in NSW.

Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge.

Thanks in anticipation
Jan 

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 8 Robin Crescent www:   midwiferyeducation.com.au
 South Hurstville  NSW  2221  National Coordinator, ASIM
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